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Pokemon's Truth? - A theoretical insight

Started by Verdeni, April 14, 2009, 06:11:02 am

Verdeni

April 14, 2009, 06:11:02 am Last Edit: April 14, 2009, 08:29:33 am by Verdeni
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Dome

April 14, 2009, 07:31:16 am #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Dome
Reading all this was like an hallucinogenic trip xD
Btw it has some sense, and it could be true if pokemon was a good game/cartoon
But it's just something made for 3 years children and they could never came up with such ending...
P.s:BTW...
I used to watch cartoon in tv and it sucks.
I play pokemon diamond pearl and it's a pretty game, but nothing more xD

"Be wise today so you don't cry tomorrow"

tithin

April 14, 2009, 08:09:58 am #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by tithin
what the fuck is this shit
14:45  @SilentB         ò "Hey, Cosgrove, how come you never married?"
14:45  @SilentB         ò "Because I eat too much meat."
14:46  @Celdia          ò Heresy. No such thing as 'too much meat'
14:47  @Celdia          ò One night with tithin would teach you that.

Verdeni

April 14, 2009, 08:19:07 am #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Verdeni
It's something I thought was interesting.

Sorry for sharing?  :?
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Dome

April 14, 2009, 08:21:01 am #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Dome
Quote from: "Verdeni"...

It's something I thought was interesting.
Everyone has his own opinion... ^_^
I think it's interesting and impossible...xD

"Be wise today so you don't cry tomorrow"

philsov

April 14, 2009, 09:46:37 am #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by philsov
"and then he woke up.  the end."
Just another rebel plotting rebellion.

DarthPaul

April 14, 2009, 11:26:34 am #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Decent theory.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

Verdeni

April 14, 2009, 02:16:10 pm #7 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Verdeni
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"Decent theory.

That's what I thought, just something to consider.
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DarthPaul

April 14, 2009, 02:17:43 pm #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Indeed.

I have a theory about stupid people. It is that they pay the ultimate price for their stupidity in the end, funny enough I can get a ton of examples from FMA.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

philsov

April 14, 2009, 02:45:36 pm #9 Last Edit: April 14, 2009, 03:02:38 pm by philsov
FINAL FANTASY TACTICS EXPLAINED

"Have you ever noticed that the pacing, tone and story development of Final Fantasy Tactics changes after Ramza is near an exploding fort in chapter 1, how Ramza and his world were relatively normal until after the incident?

I have a theory.

The accidental dosage of mosfungus put Ramza into a coma. Days later he was found and was hurried to the hospital in the slums and treated with heavy medications, which is why Dycegarg became less menacing. The medication took effect and stabilized his coma dreams so that instead of being terrifying, they became idyllic, allowing him to live out his final fantasy fantasies.

After the chapter 1, the game is the result of Ramza's subconscious mind fulfilling his desires, as well as attempting to escape reality. Should Ramza realize he's in a coma, he would wake up, but suffer brain damage, so he must take down all of his mental barriers one by one until he can come to grips with who he is and escape his coma (since his mind will not allow him to escape until he's come to terms with himself).

Further evidence comes from the realization that even though his journeys take him vast distances, he never travels on a chocobo due to having developed a phobia.

The coma and fantasy explains why he doesn't change much physically. It also explains the worldwide feudelism, as he thought up a system of government that would run not smoothly and keep the world going, allowing his adventures to work like they do. It also explains how a Holy Knight can go off on his own into a world full of dangerous and untamed animals, and why town has the same shop vendor and every Bar has the exact same bartender. Delita and Alma he knew from his hometown, and they act as a safety net or anchor, allowing him to feel safe no matter where he goes. Delita and Alma represent stability. Professor Daravon represent Ramza's ideals, which is why Olan became a professor. The fantasy also explains why every time he enters a new region, virtually no one has heard of him, despite his conquests. How could Bariten, the rival of the Riovanes area, not know of someone who has been branded a heretic by the Church and has destroyed Cardinal and the Death Corps?

Moving on to the characters closer to him, Ramza's traveling partners are aspects of himself that he can enjoy, but doesn't like to associate with himself. Agrias is Ramza's repressed sexuality. Ramza fell into the coma a virgin and needed an outlet for his growing sexual frustrations -- since he can never experience sex, Mustadio must never succeed. But Mustadio isn't just a projection of Ramza's sexuality, he is also a projection of Ramza's fatherly instincts. Mustadio leaves his father to journey with Ramza because Ramza can't cope with having that much responsibility at his age. Mustadio's stay with Worker 8 was an attempt to outright suppress his sexuality. You may notice that Delita got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy-feely with his chocobo and exposing most of his backstory. Ramza didn't enjoy this much, which is why Mustadio comes back horrified and refuses to speak about it (Ramza's subconscious was repressing him at the time, so other than a general feeling of dread, he has no idea of what happened). Further evidence of Mustadio being Ash's sexuality is that he keeps returning to the series after Ramza meets a new girl aspect of himself.

Agrias is the first such aspect we encounter. Because she is the first and because she is merely an aspect of Ramza are explanations for why Agrias plays so prominently in the show but is ultimately unattainable (because he never really knew her before the coma). Since Agrias is his initial love interest -- if only subconsciously -- he needed her to reach a certain level of womanhood. He felt that people could only have relationships after they've matured. In practice, though, he finds that he can't cope with it (lacking the real-world experience) and wants the normal pushy, arrogant Agrias he knew, thus not letting her keep Lavian. We can see this arc in the constant berating of his sexuality (Mustadio), but her eventual mellowing until she had faded into the background. Since Ramza was quite attached to her, this was traumatizing and after this experience, anyone around him "threatening" to mature quickly ends up leaving for another, more naive fill-in.

TG Cid is what Ramza wants to be. He is wish fulfillment. He succeeded, and then settled down to a normal life. Ramza needs someone to succeed in his world or he won't be able to validate it and will start questioning why he is where he is. It's a subconscious trap to keep him from becoming too aware of his situation. His mind must have figured out that awareness of the coma would snap him out of it, but it would cause brain damage, so it took something the boy already loved and built a way out for him with it. However, Ramza is too complacent to make a final stand and fight his way out of it, and so cannot escape. This is why he keeps encountering Zodiac demons. They're his mind's way of showing him he can do great things if he tries, and it's a way to encourage him to push forwards.

The Shrine Knights are the qualities of himself that Ramza deems "negative" but is coming to terms with. Ovelia and Delita want to appease the church, Ramza's father figure, and Ovelia will trick the submissive Delita into doing her bidding to achieve this. Boco especially wants to appease him because he remembers the good times with the church. This places Boco in a category known as Ramza's (corrupted) innocence. This is apparent because Boco is able to speak. In fact, the whole reason Boco can speak is so that Ash can eventually accept the aspects of the church as parts of himself.

Ramza has issues with his father, so he put him on his death bed and finally killed him. There may be an actual church (in the real world) but it's doubtful that Ramza's father is their leader. Ramza likely feels that the split between his parents was partly his fault, but also partly blames his father. The split caused his mother to move out of the city, down to Goug Machine City and is one reason why Ash initially embarks upon the journey: to escape the turmoil at home. But the whole organization, including Izlude and Meliadoul, is symbolic of his inability to escape the church's machinations.

Delita is implied homosexuality (which does not necessarily make Ramza homosexual) and gullibility, and Ovelia is vanity and manipulation. Since Boco has the potential for rehabilitation, and doesn't want to be evil, this once again fits in with the conflicting personalities and demonized-self theory. The church cross-dresses (have you SEEN the male priests?) because Ramza is exploring his sexuality (a different facet than what Mustadio represents) and this was a method that allowed his gay/vain side to experiment freely. When he found that it wasn't something for him, his "free" side stopped playing with it.

Malak came with Rafa. He played the ego and she played the id with great aspirations in that "session". They worked for a little while, but with Ramza being a teenager, his sexuality had to come back into play. He kept reinventing himself and eventually wrote new aspects, but his mind slowly brought the old ones back as a crutch to make the transition easier.

Balmafula is Ramza giving himself a chance to love. Since he already established Agrias as someone he's not likely to go anywhere with, he created a new super female, one that was more like him, and less violent. You may note that while both Rafa and Agrias had no tolerance for Mustadio, Balmafula seems to try to shrug it off.

Weigref was a possible future for Ramza that he discarded. This future was one that he sent off to work with the knights (Ramza's ultimate ideal of a father figure) when Weigraf disrupted the dynamic Ramza had with his other possibilities. With Ramza's mind fighting the coma and Ramza viewing this person as a companion, Weigraf was quickly replaced with a more threatening rival.

Alma represents Ramza's humanity, hence the episodes where they get separated and Ramza wants desperately to find her, even to the point of working with the church (aspects of himself he would never normally associate with) but for some reason cannot. The church want to steal Alma and hand him over to Ajora. Delita and Ovelia will always oppose Ramza because Ramza is terrified of the thought of his humanity lying in the hands of Ajora. However, this is the same reason that he will work with those aspects of himself in order to save his humanity from just becoming flat out lost. Ramza couldn't transform Alma because that would mean challenging his concept of who he was, which was something he wasn't comfortable with while still working through his original issues.

The narrator is Ramza's higher mind, recapping and explaining the progress he's made and the tribulations he will face, allowing itself insight into how best to awaken him.

The church's methods gradually become more and more ludicrous because Ramza is only a child dreaming these things up. That is why the church's disguises are always believed. He knows it's them (at least on a subconscious level), but chooses to ignore it so that he can better himself. In a sense, the Ramza who wants to escape is sabotaging the Ramza who wants to stay lost in his mind so that there can be more conflict, and hopefully an eventual escape. The escape being a consequence of coming to terms with who he is, as, mentioned previously, the church is a method for Ramza to deal with grounds he's uncomfortable with tackling on his own.

~

Sorry, can't take this BS any more.  But the mad lib was fun while it lasted.
Just another rebel plotting rebellion.

DarthPaul

April 14, 2009, 03:00:06 pm #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
......................woah
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

akwikone

April 14, 2009, 04:21:48 pm #11 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by akwikone
^I agree

gojoe

April 14, 2009, 04:36:58 pm #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by gojoe
I came twice, un-came once, then came five more times before it started bleeding.
I never learn from my mistakes.

SentinalBlade

April 14, 2009, 04:59:46 pm #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by SentinalBlade
QuoteFurther evidence comes from the realization that even though his journeys take him vast distances, he never travels on a chocobo due to having developed a phobia

QuoteYou may notice that Delita got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy-feely with his chocobo and exposing most of his backstory. Ramza didn't enjoy this much, which is why Mustadio comes back horrified and refuses to speak about it

ROFL,  thanks for making my day guys

Xifanie

April 14, 2009, 09:35:12 pm #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
tl;dr x2 :(
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Zalge

April 14, 2009, 09:58:36 pm #15 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Zalge
... Nice.

ffzman

April 14, 2009, 10:42:20 pm #16 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by ffzman
Quote from: "gojoe"I came twice, un-came once, then came five more times before it started bleeding.

.....how do you un-come?




Nevermind I don't want to know.

akwikone

April 14, 2009, 11:18:57 pm #17 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by akwikone
think shopvac

ffzman

April 14, 2009, 11:24:51 pm #18 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by ffzman
Quote from: "akwikone"think shopvac

Nah it's still coming out though...........unless you're putting it in reverse.

akwikone

April 14, 2009, 11:32:52 pm #19 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by akwikone
ok, think turkey baster(sp), it works two way