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Kagebunji's sprites- Moving on...

Started by Kagebunji, August 04, 2009, 02:29:37 pm

Vanya

September 14, 2009, 01:22:32 pm #200 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Vanya
That is a Corinthian-style helmet. It and many variations of it were worn all over Mediterranean Europe up until the 1st century.
They were even used by the Romans. They weren't just a Spartan thing.
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¯\(°_0)/¯

Kagebunji

September 14, 2009, 01:42:51 pm #201 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Kagebunji
Should I only recolor feathers, or change it to what is on that helmet?
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Vanya

September 14, 2009, 01:43:59 pm #202 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Vanya
Try taking the side feathers off and then bridging the gap they leave behind.
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Kagebunji

September 14, 2009, 01:48:27 pm #203 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Kagebunji
I'm afraid I won't change feathers, I tried few times, but my skills just are not that high.
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DarthPaul

September 14, 2009, 01:52:28 pm #204 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Quote from: "Asmo X"I'm not an expert on colour theory or whatever but if you have a surface that is very reflectable, it doesn't matter what colour it is because the sheen will look more like the source of light. You get away with the flesh colour because its nicely desaturated. Izlude has brown hair and uses the flesh coloured highlight.

You may not be an expert, but as far as color theory goes that is 100% correct.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

Vanya

September 14, 2009, 01:52:39 pm #205 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Vanya
It is a pain in the ass. I've tried in another sprite. It requires a lot of scratch work.
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¯\(°_0)/¯

Zozma

September 14, 2009, 02:05:41 pm #206 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Zozma
Quote from: "darthpaul"
Quote from: "Asmo X"I'm not an expert on colour theory or whatever but if you have a surface that is very reflectable, it doesn't matter what colour it is because the sheen will look more like the source of light. You get away with the flesh colour because its nicely desaturated. Izlude has brown hair and uses the flesh coloured highlight.

You may not be an expert, but as far as color theory goes that is 100% correct.

THIS DOES NOT WORK IF THE HAIR IS GREEN G.O.D DAMN IT
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Wiegraf: Draw your sword Ramza!
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DarthPaul

September 14, 2009, 02:15:48 pm #207 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Quote from: "Zozma"
Quote from: "darthpaul"
Quote from: "Asmo X"I'm not an expert on colour theory or whatever but if you have a surface that is very reflectable, it doesn't matter what colour it is because the sheen will look more like the source of light. You get away with the flesh colour because its nicely desaturated. Izlude has brown hair and uses the flesh coloured highlight.

You may not be an expert, but as far as color theory goes that is 100% correct.

THIS DOES NOT WORK IF THE HAIR IS GREEN G.O.D DAMN IT

He said on shiny glossy objects. Hair is only shiny or glossy when wet or greasy.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

Zozma

September 14, 2009, 02:30:34 pm #208 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Zozma
the last sentence talks abouts Izlude's brown hair using a flesh tone sheen. and at the time he was talking about that sprite with the green hair that was using a flesh colored sheen :)
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Wiegraf: Draw your sword Ramza!
Ramza: But im a monk!!

Kagebunji

September 14, 2009, 02:40:04 pm #209 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Kagebunji
Ok, stop this harsh conversation will ya ;)

Here is Rydia with some new highlight(btw, some frames are new):

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DarthPaul

September 14, 2009, 02:40:17 pm #210 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Quote from: "Zozma"the last sentence talks abouts Izlude's brown hair using a flesh tone sheen. and at the time he was talking about that sprite with the green hair that was using a flesh colored sheen :)

Yea somehow I missed that part. I just saw the mention of brown and flesh going well together.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

Curu

September 14, 2009, 03:02:22 pm #211 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Curu
Quote from: "darthpaul"
Quote from: "Zozma"
Quote from: "darthpaul"
Quote from: "Asmo X"I'm not an expert on colour theory or whatever but if you have a surface that is very reflectable, it doesn't matter what colour it is because the sheen will look more like the source of light. You get away with the flesh colour because its nicely desaturated. Izlude has brown hair and uses the flesh coloured highlight.

You may not be an expert, but as far as color theory goes that is 100% correct.

THIS DOES NOT WORK IF THE HAIR IS GREEN G.O.D DAMN IT

He said on shiny glossy objects. Hair is only shiny or glossy when wet or greasy.

 Not gonna get into the semantics of reflective lighting right now...
Anyway hair can be naturally glossy depending on diet , Asians typically have very glossy hair due to the large sums of seaweed they have in their cuisine for instance, it shows up better due to how common black hair is for them. This does not mean brown hair cannot be glossy but it's less common, you're more likely to notice it on black, blonde, or red hair.

 As for the Rydia sprite, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the color limit 16? I'm only seeing 10 colors used, 11 with transparency, there is no need to recycle a color for hair highlights if you have that much space left on your palette.

Sidenote: Otherwise yellow is a good choice for highlight since it's closest to green on the color wheel.

Edit: Also You missed a spot when recoloring.

mav

September 14, 2009, 04:38:08 pm #212 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by mav
Shit, that is 11 colors. Alright, here are my suggestions: get an outline color, get a light green for the hair, get a dark brown/yellow for the boots and belt, and you still have 2 colors left. If you're feeling bold, you could probably toss in a dark brown for the boot/belt outline, and give her another yellow/brown/gold for the boots/belt.

Great palette so far. Now keep working.

Kagebunji

September 14, 2009, 04:46:08 pm #213 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Kagebunji
There are many leftovers from Balmafula, that's why I have so much color left, thx for suggestions Mav. There might be problem with "keep working" though, here are reasons:
1.School (yay...)
2. I'm veeery lazy lately :P
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jimmyjw88

September 14, 2009, 09:54:31 pm #214 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by jimmyjw88
0.o 11 colours? Well, then follow mav's suggestions. With that, I think the highlight for the hair will be fix.
Kindly upload the images to other image hosting sites. I can't view imageshack. Thanks.

Asmo X

September 15, 2009, 12:38:16 am #215 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
Let me try and explain this again to you Zozma. It doesnt matter what colour the goddamn hair is. Doesnt matter if it's green. Doesn't matter if it's purple. The reflectivity is what is important. If the hair is highly reflective the colour of the sheen will resemble the light source, NOT THE COLOUR OF THE SURFACE DOING THE REFLECTING. As I was saying, you get away with that flesh colour because it is of low saturation and can be passed off as the light source.

DarthPaul

September 15, 2009, 12:46:54 am #216 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by darthpaul
Quote from: "Asmo X"If the hair is highly reflective the colour of the sheen will resemble the light source, NOT THE COLOUR OF THE SURFACE DOING THE REFLECTING.

Half-right, the reflection will lean extremely towards the light source but it will take on a small amount of the reflective surfaces color(diffusion of light rays over atoms and reflective surfaces tension play into this). In a rather dark situation the sheen will have a tendency to pick up much more than normal. Hence if the green was much lighter a flesh tone would work perfectly. Also this process reverts on extremely dark surfaces in a way I don't entirely understand. So a really dark green would get away with the flesh tone as well. The middle ground here is really tricky and tough to judge as the line is not hard drawn in the sand. In the end it might just be a case by case basis, with some people finding it more aesthetically appealing than others.
Oh pitiful shadow lost in the darkness, bringing torment and pain to others. Oh damned soul wallowing in your sin, perhaps...it is time to die

MiKeMiTchi

September 15, 2009, 02:43:56 am #217 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by MiKeMiTchi
Since you have at least 4 more colors to add, change the lightest shade of the hair to a lighter green, not yellow.
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Asmo X

September 15, 2009, 02:51:57 am #218 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
I agree that if you have something other than maximum reflectivity a portion of the surface will be included in the sheen (however low that % may be). So sorry for anyone offended by my use of "highly" rather than "maximum", but what I'm trying to convey here is that having a different colour for the sheen is perfectly acceptable if we consider that a) the hair is very reflective b) the sheen itself is desaturated and nondescript and c) that conjuring up a sheen based on fastidious observations about what amount of hair and what amount of light source should be apportioned to it is an unnecessary waste of time given a and b

Zozma

September 15, 2009, 02:57:32 am #219 Last Edit: September 15, 2009, 03:09:38 am by Zozma
use 2 more colors and you can give her that purple hairpin or whatever it is that she has originally...

and, true asmo, i actually managed to make a flesh tone work allright with purple hair, but green is a bit drastic. it just looks wrong weather it be a sheen or a shade of her haircolor

course the hair might be a little too saturated here but ill deal with that later
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Wiegraf: Draw your sword Ramza!
Ramza: But im a monk!!