Final Fantasy Hacktics

Who is a nice person that people don't want as moderator? ... hmmm. This may not be solvable.

Quote from: "ph33rb0t"Your reply to SSoul was less constructed argument and more borderline flamebaiting.

really?

I was trying to tell him that blunt honesty is an essential part of constructive criticism for ideas

I don't know why you think that is flamebaiting

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Quote from: "HatterMadigan"I agree with SydneySoul. If Asmo or you, Voldemort, would just help with the constructive criticism and tell them what's wrong with their patch

don't you think a moderator would be more efficient with this?

That is the job of a true community. Right now, I see a collection of cliques and very little essence of community.

It's also quite apparent that you , even though you deployed sarcasm, didn't get that constructive criticism and blunt honesty have fundamental differences that were already pointed out clearly enough for most to see.

Quote from: "SydneySoul"

Quote from: "Voldemort"

Quote from: "HatterMadigan"I agree with SydneySoul. If Asmo or you, Voldemort, would just help with the constructive criticism and tell them what's wrong with their patch

don't you think a moderator would be more efficient with this?

That is the job of a true community.

yes, but now that the community is larger than it was before (I'm not sure you were around here for that) that job is no longer done very well by the community alone

QuoteRight now, I see a collection of cliques and very little essence of community.

then I guess you can be our coach and show us how a community should act and police itself

QuoteIt's also quite apparent that you , even though you deployed sarcasm,

I am sorry for the sarcasm

I just cannot take your opinions about what this community should do on things like this seriously when you're posting from an account that was made 4 days ago

you're getting off easy here

Quote from: "HatterMadigan"Who is a nice person that people don't want as moderator? ... hmmm. This may not be solvable.

DARTHPAUL

Blunt honesty and constructive criticism are two part of the same tree and I have seen Asmo use them both very well. The problem is you have the conception they are the same thing.

CC is BH that is meant to be less blunt and help people.

BH is meant to assume the role of CC but has the ability to cut deep. Also the BH speaker normally is only trying to help. Seeing it that way you can understand why both get slung around here.

Quote from: "ph33rb0t"Blunt honesty and constructive criticism are two part of the same tree and I have seen Asmo use them both very well. The problem is you have the conception they are the same thing.

I know they are different

I was trying to say that BH + CC can be good when it comes to ideas so malleable as FFT Hacking

Acting as a coach and showing the community how to act is the responsibility of both the moderators and admin/Zodiac. Yes, I'm new here. However, as a new member, I feel my words should be heeded. My views are likely shared by other incoming members that spend a few days browsing the topics. If I didn't have an interest in staying here and seeing what develops in terms of hacking, I'd already have been turned away (or used my extremely limited knowledge of two Japanese classes to struggle at understanding the Japanese hacking community XD).

Policing ourselves isn't ideal, however we should hold ourselves up to certain expectations and standards, just as we do offline.

I also denounce your 'nomination' of me. :p I hate playing leader.

Again, SydneySoul, I agree. The clique that is most prevalent in here includes some of the best people at hacking FFT. Which is a shame, because they could help everyone by pitching in on guides and helping with others' projects when they can. I mean, with their skills available for teaching, anything is possible!

We need a 'Guides' section, I think, because I (I hope I'm not alone) hate having to browse in the different sections for guides, and even then all I get are links to great guides for stuff, where it looks to be on this website where I can't find it, AND as a plus, it redirects me to the home page in 5 seconds right when I get there! I get really mad, and I think guides could provide the info noob patchers need to make their patches. Thus, creating less 'lolpatches'. Yay more ways to play FFT!

Some of us have the idea but not the skill... I myself falling a little into that category. Thank the Lord I don't have a forum.

I realize they can help, but BH causes some problems and arguments like this to occur.

BH is more or less something that should be chatted about over chat than the forums as more time passes here and thought and opinions warp in those lapses in posts.

Quote from: "SydneySoul"Acting as a coach and showing the community how to act is the responsibility of both the moderators and admin/Zodiac. Yes, I'm new here.

Fair enough

but I know Zodiac isn't interested in the position + he has tons of other things to do already

would you say a moderator is such a bad idea?

it works fine in other sections

I do not wish to get into an argument here, but these are my thoughts.

It is quite apparent that this section needs it's own dedicated moderator. However, my experiences may be little with Asmo, but I have witnessed him being quite "cruel" at times. The moderator for this section needs to be tolerant. And, I fear that Asmo personality type (from my limited view) may not be right for this position. He seems like a person who sometimes acts on impulse, choosing his times to be cruel seemingly at random. I may have phrased this in an incompetent manor, but my point is I don't think he would be good to be in a position of being a "judge".

Judges have to be fair, and at times I don't know if Asmo would be. I know some of his posts may be misunderstood, and his overly-blunt (often times unneeded) criticism may be mistaken as a "low blow". But, not everyone knows him like Voldemort, knows him. Yes, criticism is crucial for the development and advancement of ideas, but the way it is portrayed makes all the difference.

As this site grows, the more problems that accumulate, as with all things. The decisions that we make today, literally we determine the future of this site. The more "diverse" our population becomes, the clashing of heads will become more frequent. We must make our decisions as a whole community, if we do not the community could very well implode on itself.

Maybe moderator isn't so popular in this area because you are wanting Asmo as the moderator, which is getting some angry because of some crap that he jokes on them. And, is it just me, or did my 'Ovelia Chapters' come at the wrong time?

A moderator is needed of course, but as stated most don't think of Asmo the way he "really is". If he would troll less and show this real side of him we would understand. Though personality flaws do exist. Also Asmo has stated numerous time he doesn't want the title. Aso we don't have anyone with the "eye" for ideas that you say he has. If we do and I am mistaken tell me who it is and I shall work to change the render of my judgment.

Quote from: "CidIII"Assumptions about how Asmo would act as Moderator when he isn't even Moderator yet

Oh ok, I guess Asmo would make a terrible moderator then... let's scratch that idea.


The community's not going to implode on itself over this, dude

this is nothing lol

nicely written statements

Asmo is still the best choice for the position tho

I'm not against having a moderator at all. However, my understanding of this Asmo person's personality tells me he may not be the best for it. I haven't researched his character myself but if members of the community can't agree that he should have this responsibility then there might very well be reason behind this.

What's needed is a well-developed, slightly larger community voting for one to moderate. The nomination is the hard part, since a large chunk of members should share similar views. This is a small community, so choosing a moderator is hard work because you all know each other possibly too deep. With experience on other forums, moderators tend to have a small group of close friends and a large group of acquaintances or people that at least know of them before they are actually chosen as mods.

Quote from: "HatterMadigan"Maybe moderator isn't so popular in this area because you are wanting Asmo as the moderator, which is getting some angry because of some crap that he jokes on them. And, is it just me, or did my 'Ovelia Chapters' come at the wrong time?

Yes it did I would back up your data and submit it after some more progress has been made so that it will not as likely be seen as a "lolpatch".

What we need is a third-party moderator. Someone who isn't really staunch for or against this. In effect, they would have the perfect qualities of a moderator for this kind of forum. A soft-spoken individual with patience and a slow temper with no outbursts of mean-ness, but knows when enough is enough. For some reason I feel I should nominate Cheetah. If I recall correctly(forgive me if I'm wrong) he never said he was for or against this 'lolpatch' thing, but he said he would still help those who asked.

QuoteA soft-spoken individual with patience and a slow temper with no outbursts of mean-ness,

in other words

keep things as they are right now

jesus H Christ

you guys are pussies

Thank you darthpaul, I will not release any more info on it until I can be sure it will not be seen as an lolpatch.