Chrono Compendium hacking projects go down

[Zozma]

what makes it worse about her is she did what now? go christian or something and stop writing those interesting vampire stories. what happened to ms bianca?

[FaustWolf]

I read something along those lines. Sooo, if Anne Rice stops writing vampiah novels and doesn't make use of the world she invented ever again, that's kind of like Square Enix abandoning Final Fantasy Tactics. I mean, I realize there's the Ivalice Alliance, but other than milking FFT on the PSP, it seems focused more on the Final Fantasy XII-phase of the world.

Just saw this today and I find it extremely heartening:
http://thehuntforgollum.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html

Great things happen when fans are given the freedom to let their imaginations flow into something real others can enjoy. That's ultimately the meaning behind what we do.

[Vanya]

I'd love to have some of the sprite/tech data for CT. I've always wanted to make a few personal changes for fun.
It'd be great to have that data available.

[FaustWolf]

When all the cards fall -- could take all next week probably, cards fall slow when communication is happening between a fan site and a multinational corporation it seems -- I'd be glad to share the technical info I can preserve and/or recover. The old Kajar Labs community will probably toss it up on datacrystal.org...
http://www.datacrystal.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger

...and/or transfer it to a new modding community.

[Oblivion]

Anne Rice is officially a bitch. I don't see why people make such a big fuss over fan work. The key word is "fan". If I had lots of fans, I would feel awesome that my work is so amazing, people want to make their own stories based off that, as long as they give me credit.

[Zozma]

i would be happy if ppl loved my work and wanted to add their own twist... i dont see why it should be a problem for them, especially if those ppl dont get any money out of it. damn it anne! what happened to bianca! lol

[Pickle Girl Fanboy]

If she doesn't like fanfiction, maybe she needs fewer fans.

[Kuraudo Sutoraifu]

If she doesn't like fanfiction, maybe she needs fewer fans.

This, This, This, This, This.

In fact, tell that to Squeenix, too.  "If you don't want fan-based projects, maybe you need less fans."

[Kaijyuu]

The greatest form of flattery is imitation.

Guess squeenix doesn't see it that way.

[Oblivion]

The greatest form of flattery is imitation.

Guess squeenix doesn't see it that way.

Exactly right. Maybe if they get their heads out of their asses (including Anne Rice) they could see the brilliance of fanwork.

[Archael]

The greatest form of flattery is imitation.

that's cute, but copyright laws exist for a reason, and legal action is enforced for them for a reason

square obviously doesn't want others imitations their IP, and have every right to stop that from happening

[Vanya]

The greatest form of flattery is imitation.

that's cute, but copyright laws exist for a reason, and legal action is enforced for them for a reason

square obviously doesn't want others imitations their IP, and have every right to stop that from happening

New amendments and interpretation of laws exist for a reason, too.

You can't say what SE wants anymore than the rest of us.

And SE only has a right to stop copyright infringement that it can prove.

BTW, copyright laws exist to prevent others from profiting off your work, not to prevent fan art.

[DarthPaul]

BTW, copyright laws exist to prevent others from profiting off your work, not to prevent fan art.

This is the truth of it. My personal belief is that if you don't want to see fan interpretation of your stuff, don't sell your fucking stuff.

Your fans are the ones that give you money. In that regard it should make you happy as hell when they say" yo this is my interpretation of what you did, I don't plan to profit from it" then you should get out of whole circle of idea profiteering. What do you get by ticking off your fanbase? A whole lot less money next time you release a unit(whatever said unit may be). The fact you don't want that to happen means that you have stepped out of the realm of reality in a dream world where people only allow their time to be occupied by corporate produced products. This reality is what I like to call the "I don't think my shit stinks" world. Everything will have fan interpretations to keep the fun going far after the game(or whatever) has lost it's luster, or.........your product sucks so many balls that people don't want anything to do with it.

[SentinalBlade]

Putting a bit of code in a ROM that makes it freeze isnt copyright protection. Its Anti-Piracy. You know who did it, it has their label ALL over it, they cant do anything else to make you realize that, short of having it appear as a water mark on the top right of the screen. it even gives the companies name on the title screen more often then not. (example; "1997/1998 Square" thats when you boot up FFT)

My mom is a paralegal and works on criminal defense, and has in the past worked on law interpretation. Truth be told, even without her input, i know SE is being vague and threatening. Copyright Laws vary from country to country, just like emulation and/or backups(example would be pirate bay, who only got caught recently due to law changes).

Even if they copyrighted here in america, they Patented/Copyrighted it FIRST in Japan. she listed several countries that specifically state you cannot claim rights as a whole to what a consumer does to your product after it has left your country, or the area of original copyrighting. You can only say "I'm the company that did it first! thats my product!"

If the above fails, and theres very little reason it should, even if the first part of that law doesnt exist in Japan, SE America can piss all they want, but if you are not selling it, physically or virtually, it is considered unharmful. A judge has better things to law over then something that is causing no economic harm.

If a judge does decide to try and fuck you over; Bring up Japan. And its Anime. And its Doujin.

Do you know what Doujinshi are? they are FAN MADE manga. YOU CAN SELL those(to some extent) and actually make money if you want to in japan. without the original creators or copyrighters consent. Hundreds upon hundreds of porn is made this way using innocent characters from a childrens anime show, and the owner has no control.

What makes it any different for Video Games? Intelectual property or not, they ahve no arguement if your not providing the original rom, and are not making profit(Donations included, so if you got those i suggest you remove them :/)

I honestly asked my mom, and filled her in with alot of details. She talked to her Boss. If they tried you, and went to court, they would lose, nearly hands down, in few hearings. Even if you defended yourself(as opposed to using an ignorant lawyer). Most lawyers dont know shit about actual emulation or piracy laws(look at TPB and all the humiliating letters they got from ignorant lawyers).

Truth is my moms boss dabbles a bit FF 1+2 hacking. He knows more about this shit than anyone, and to keep his ass clean, im sure.

TL;DR

Fight em, or scare em off. Ive got the number of a good legal lawyer who knows wtf he is doing for this kind of thing if you need it(they would have to try you as a criminal unfortunatly though =( )

[Oblivion]

To DP & SB:

You shall be rewared for you wonderful speeches! Zodiac stones for both of you!

Back on topic...

I did not know people profitted from doujinshi. This adds more to our arsenal of reasons why Square should get off CC's back.

[Dokurider]

I don't really see why we're so afraid of being shut down. If we get shut down, we'll just pull a Gang Garrison 2 and make a parody version.

On an unrelated note, now that Chrono Compendium is down, maybe we can ask some of the former members to help us out here?

[mav]

The Compendium is still up, but the hub of their fan-projects and ROM hacks (Kajar Labs) is currently gone. Though I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the developers of CE are a little weary about working on more fan projects right now. But who knows? Maybe they're ready to get their hands dirty again--a lot of 'em had a phenomenal range of skills...

[Poco Loco]

its really sad that all that talent and effort went to waste u know, it wasnt like they were going to make money out of it or claimed it as their own property

Square-Enix even went as far as to sue a 13 year old kid for releasing advent children on youtube 4 Christ's-sake

those bastards suck dick 4 money lets be real here lol

we're better off keeping this shyt on the DL

and if they somehow find out about us and bitch, then we stop..............or do we?

[Kaijyuu]

The greatest form of flattery is imitation.

that's cute, but copyright laws exist for a reason, and legal action is enforced for them for a reason

square obviously doesn't want others imitations their IP, and have every right to stop that from happening

Indeed.

[Xifanie]

On an unrelated note, now that Chrono Compendium is down, maybe we can ask some of the former members to help us out here?

...what?

Do you have any idea of what they're going through?

- Oh crap, SE shuts a project we've been working for 5 years... damn...
- We can't just stay here and do nothing about it.
- Right, let's go help the folks at FFH.

FFH and CC are two distinguished game hacking communities. In times like this, we shouldn't see this as an opportunity to gain more hackers! We have to support them.