Zodiac Stones after end-game?

[Fosil]

What happens to the Zodiac stones after the events of end-game FFT?
I've read several entries on FFT's story, but there are no details of if.

Due to this, no one knows. So then, I want some opinions from others as to what might happen to them.

I've had several ideas, myself.
- Ramza gives the stones to his friends (party members, whether special or generic) to keep safe
(Obviously this would vary from player to player, depending what company he kept. Although there are still key-characters from the story that could fulfill these tasks, such as Orran or Valmafra)
- Ramza (and/or his friends) scatter them throughout the continent, or even world
- They are destroyed?


Reason is: I may be dabbling a little into story content set after the completion of FFT's story.

[Eternal]

I personally always thought he'd give them to his party members. Mostly because:

1) He knew the stones weren't innately evil, thus there'd be no reason to destroy them- especially after defeating the leader of the Lucavi, and...

2) It's very symbolic for he and the others to become the new Braves. Ironic, really, that the Braves would have been anathemas of the Church, and also because like the Braves before (who defeated the demon at Limberry castle, according to the tales), also destroyed a demon. So it's just very thematically clean and symoblic for Ramza to have handed them to his partymates.

[Dome]

Boco got them, become the new demon, and r***d Mustadio
Twice










The end (?)

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Seriously: I completely agree with Et

[Fosil]

I'm sure he liked it. Agrias watched.

Anyhoo, good, because I was liking the idea of Ramza handing them off to his friends.

[Cheetah]

Total aside, Eternal where on earth did you get that kickass portrait? Is it one of the Japanese one and it just looks particularly good right now?

Ramza doesn't actually collect all of them through the game does he? Regardless such powerful object may need to be destroyed so as to prevent them from being used for evil.

[GeneralStrife]

I bet twinees did that portrait. It's so damn sexy.

[Samuraiblackbelt]

Ramza doesn't actually collect all of them through the game does he? Regardless such powerful object may need to be destroyed so as to prevent them from being used for evil.

The only two that you never actually collect are the ones that Vormav and Altima use, so you could assume that Ramza would pick them up after they died.

[GeneralStrife]

He obviously throws them into bugrossa sea.

[VampragonLord]

ramza and co. died so the stones stayed underground with them

[LastingDawn]

Once you defeat Hashmalum and Altima respectively the game records you obtaining the Leo and Virgo stone. (Though there is no legit way to see this) Take that as you will, but to me it points towards a scenario where Ramza and friends survived and likely took the stones with them. I have a theory that Altima's explosion didn't kill them but separate them into perhaps different areas (or times). We at least know that Balthier survived Altima's explosion with not even a scratch and his going forward to FFT Ivalice is quite canon as it is shown in FFXII: Revenant Wings.

[Cheetah]

Once you defeat Hashmalum and Altima respectively the game records you obtaining the Leo and Virgo stone. (Though there is no legit way to see this) Take that as you will, but to me it points towards a scenario where Ramza and friends survived and likely took the stones with them. I have a theory that Altima's explosion didn't kill them but separate them into perhaps different areas (or times). We at least know that Balthier survived Altima's explosion with not even a scratch and his going forward to FFT Ivalice is quite canon as it is shown in FFXII: Revenant Wings.

Wait what? LD are you saying that unlike Cloud who was just randomly pulled from an alternate dimension or something, that Balthier actually started in the FFT timeline and was then thrown backwards in time? I'm confused.

[philsov]

ramza and co. died so the stones stayed underground with them

The explosion blew them to safety.

[Twinees]

I bet twinees did that portrait. It's so damn sexy.

[LastingDawn]

Wait what? LD are you saying that unlike Cloud who was just randomly pulled from an alternate dimension or something, that Balthier actually started in the FFT timeline and was then thrown backwards in time? I'm confused.

Yep, Balthier finds the "Cache of Glabados" in FFXII: Revenant Wings and FFXII is in the distant past (about 1250 years before FFT) and he vanishes then and there, later he comes back with no explanation in Revenant Wings, in War of the Lions he specifically mentions the Cache of Glabados and tells Ramza that was what brought him there in the first place. Since he canonically follows Ramza to Altima it is quite likely that Altima's explosion brought him back to his own time 1250 years in the past... confusing, I know.

There's a place called Glabados in Revenant Wings, which leads me to believe that Milados (the places where Ajora was born) was likely in or close to Glabados, just as Jesus is sometimes called "Jesus of Nazareth" Ajora Glabados may be a way of saying "Ajora of Glabados" just my thoughts on that.

[VampragonLord]

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[Eternal]

Yeah, Cheetah, it's Twin's work. Amazing as always.

[Fenrir90]

Alright, I'm going back to before the retcon of the game since this is what the conclusion I got after playing numerous times. What happened to the # (a couple of stones are optional) holy stones at the end? Well before I tell you what I think, there are a few things that I will need to say so that you understand the conclusion I came to.

Well, for me... I always though that it was the combine power of the holy stones who send Ramza and Alma out of that death trap at the end of the game and back to Ivalice soil. The reason for me to think of this is because I believe that the stones are neither good nor evil, simply which the holy stone reacts to those possessing them. If the stones are evil, then why was Malak revived by one of them? Here is something interesting to think about. When Malak was revived, he says something along these lines. The stone said, return to those of the right mind (PSX version). If I am not mistaken, I think there are some cultures (Asian?) that associate the mind with the soul. I can't find the source at the moment to back me up, but I will try to look for it after posting all this. Synonym for "right".

Synonyms: just, proper, fair, moral, honorable, upright, righteous, acceptable, justified, nondiscriminatory.
Synonyms: appropriate, respectable, suitable, fitting, proper, desirable, best, reasonable, suited, decent.

Source: http://encarta.msn.com/thesaurus_561586369/right.html

Now the question, why did the holy stone(s) decided to save Ramza in the end? Well, Ramza possesses the stone(s) and yet... never used them in any shape or form. He could have used them to make a or many "miracle(s)" (like turn himself into a unstoppable god-like being or transform into a being like a Lucavi, resurrect his dead father or others to assist him, etc) during his quest and force his way around the world of Ivalice with the stone(s) powers in hand. Draclau says something interesting about this. In terms of gameplay, that would plainly suck. Yet, he didn't use them. Ramza ended up doing everything with his own power and not the stone(s), so he didn't receive any help from Lucavi nor God through the stones. If my memory serves me right, Ramza says something to Wiegraf about using the power of the holy stone and not his own power. I think it was near the end of chapter 3. Anyways, I strongly think that the stone were impressed by Ramza using his own power and not that of the holy stones to achieve his goal (saving Alma and at the same time saving the world), all the while having the stones in his possession and not once thinking about using them. As well that he slayed numerous Lucavis, a feats that is not quite simple. The stones decided to save them or grant them an unexpected gift. There are numerous myths revolving around supernatural being granting gift to mortals after performing extraordinary feats.

You're probably wondering why I only mention Ramza and Alma right. The reason for this is because that you can dismiss special characters and they can permanently die and it does not affect the game story except for their entry on their Profiles. So, they can be considers special generics. If they live or die, it's all up to the player. All special characters are icing on the cake, nothing more or less. They don't impact much on game story after joining. The Ramza and Alma only survived is based on the conclusion of the ending movie. If the others have survived, why wasn't they showed? If they went their separate ways, why wasn't such a scene showed? Etc... there are too many unanswered question, but I highly think that the game ending, but in actually, the whole chapter 4 was rush to be completed, but that is for another thread that I might write about.

In conclusion, the stone saved Ramza and Alma or all your rooster (for those that don't like the only Ramza and Alma thing), all the while the stones remains buried deep within the now unreachable Murond Death City where no mortal could ever recover the holy stone and used it's powers. Remember, Rofel destroyed the entrance to Murond Death City. So, nobody can enter or leave this place.

[Dome]

I demand a TL;DR version

[Wiz]

In conclusion, the stone saved Ramza and Alma or all your rooster (for those that don't like the only Ramza and Alma thing), all the while the stones remains buried deep within the now unreachable Murond Death City where no mortal could ever recover the holy stone and used it's powers. Remember, Rofel destroyed the entrance to Murond Death City. So, nobody can enter or leave this place.

There ya go Dome =D

[GeneralStrife]

Then how did ramza and company escape?