Mercenaries Job Sprite Ideas (update: soon)(Image Heavy)

[Asmo X]

You know what? I cant think of any character with a draw string belt
perhaps that would look good

[Sephirot24]

It looks too much like an opera lady / mediator IMO. When I look back at that blue concept someone made (mav? I can't remember >_>) I notice pretty big differences. This concept looks kinda bland IMO. Horns are not bad, but weren't we going for a masked/semi-masked helm, with some similar stuff to the sides like the male dragoon has? (IDK what to call them in English). Also, the robe has nothing special... if you look at all the other "crap" concepts you have in your sig, you'll reckon that you can make a lot more for this sprite. I say try out a change of helm, and maybe inserting some kind of pattern on the front part of the robe (not the same as Freya, as it'll probably be too detailed to scale down, but still maybe try something similar?).

I'm telling you straight what I think because I know you can take it

[LastingDawn]

Whule we had an idea, it didn't fit well into a sprite form, now this idea is Highly unique, and I want Differentiation between the genders to their jobs, one doesn't neccessarily Need to look like their counterpart to be considered a "proper" class...

Dragoon's in Mercenaries rely as much on MA and MP, than on PA. Also they can equip Robes, the Male Dragoon sprite shows one extreme (completely armored, and modern looking) but the Dragoon itself is based on ancient times, the males may be more modern with their Dragoon outfit, but in Mercenaries, Dragoon's are based on the memories of ancestors that used Dragon Skulls, and Dragon appearances to keep themselves protected from predators. The male represents the modern look of a Dragoon while the female represents a much more traditional look. While a few more details can be worked out, the overall design concept is Solid.

[dwib]

hey asmo your invoker concept kinda looks like a necromancer

i personally am liking the whole concept a lot (especially the robe), although i preferred the first one where the skull covered most of the face. the other looks like she's wearing a weird looking skullcap with horns

...which is totally what a necromancer would wear don't you think?


necromancer

[mav]

Hah. Well whatever it looks like, it needs more details. I like the idea of of a drawstring belt on there. One question, is the helmet/mask supposed to look metal or bone-colored? Right now it just screams skull to me, which is why I said Necromancer.

[LastingDawn]

It's a skull, a back of a dragon skull and spine to be exact.

[MiKeMiTchi]

Remake the horns. Looks more like a bull demon's horn than a dragoon's.

it needs more details.

Yeah, that one, too. I can't imagine a strong job to only have a robe and helmet.

@asmo,
hmm.. belt would look good.


IMO, jimmy's concept is excellent for the class.
(female lancer)

[jimmyjw88]

Well, if you wanna make a skull for dragoon, perhaps hydra's skull? I mean, that's dragon's skull right?

[LastingDawn]

While it looks good on paper, we've seen it doesn't translate well to sprite form, this idea allows me to put in a bit of what I had intended from the start, but wasn't sure how... Dragoon's in Mercenaries are not the traditional "Dragon Knights" they aren't friendly with Dragons, they're not exactly light on the magic either.

It is an ancient practice of the people of Ivalice, it was sponsored by Hero King Mesa, it was a method of survival after the Cataclysm. A Dragoon leader from the Holy Empire of Ydora, by the name of Velana was among the survivors. In her land of Ydora only women were allowed to be taught the arts of the Dragoon, as the Dragoon was Mesa's original military hand, he had little choice but to abide. Thus the camps set around Mesa's land were each protected by a unit of women. The women wore Dragon skulls, in place of steel helmets,  to ward off other beasts and demons that would often try to assault the many camps of survivors, they saw almost total success in guarding the people.

Women were the dominant Dragoon for many a year, with each of their leaders commanding them to follow the old ways, they stuck to their classic apparel and original techniques. With the loss of King Mesa's line they became a rather secluded group, similar to the Monks of Germinas, they no longer assisted the world, as it had little reason for their assistance any longer. They eventually faded from the sight of the world, whittling away their time in the sacred mountains of the Forbidden Land Zellea, their collective fate left unknown.

A decade before the Fifty Years War had broken out, scholar's were busy at work with developing new technologies and rediscovering lost ones from the Cataclysm. In an ancient scroll from Ordalia, there was depicted diagrams and techniques for men, and another unknown being, to be taught in the ways of the Dragoon. Realizing that the women Dragoon of a past age originally used these lessons as well Ivalice enacted an event called the "Dragon Knight's Revival". An event of unprecedented attendence. A small fee was neccessary to enter and the commoners took great advantage of this. The country was alight with activity, with instructors sent out to every province to train these potential soldiers, to be Dragon Knights in the inevitable war looming...

While women Dragoon are rarer then their male counterparts many do leave the Forbidden Land Zellea to become normal members of society, though they hold strongly onto their traditions, taught to them by their mothers in the Forbidden Land.

[MiKeMiTchi]

I see. Nice History.

While it looks good on paper

Can we see the design on paper?

[LastingDawn]

It's a saying meaning "While it sounded good in theory..." the spriting work on it hasn't been very top notch, it's too much of a culmination of ideas, especially to fit into a 16 color sprite.

[Vanya]

Your physical description of the Female Dragoon sounds almost exactly like the Dragon Masters from Tactics Ogre, who are incidentally female only. They are however very friendly with dragons.

GBA Version:


The Ogre Battle 64 version (There is a Dragon Tamer in this game that looks like the old SNES Tactics Ogre Dragon Master):
Edit: Ha! I tracked down the Dragon Tamer!


Actually, Ogre Battle & Tactics Ogre have some pretty good designs and are tied to FFT via the programming group that made it and the country of Zeltennia which is featured in both series.

[Luminar]

You know what? I cant think of any character with a draw string belt
perhaps that would look good

i like your dragoon, cowbowhat guy, and headband guy.

[Asmo X]

If bitches don't like that they know what to suck

...


my dick.

I decided just adding details like belts and whatnot is a cheap way of solving the problem. I decided to go for something a little more substantial

[SilvasRuin]

I personally find those changes a significant improvement.  I wasn't liking the gown look.  I kind of wish more of the front of the skull was there, but it looks pretty good otherwise.

[Asmo X]

i just noticed the feet kind of blow. Particularly the far one

[SilvasRuin]

I just figured they were really pointy metal boots.

[Asmo X]

they are but they could be done better

[MiKeMiTchi]

The new look looks new and better than before.
I'm not sure bout the horns..

[Vanya]

Looks better for sure, but still too plain.