Razele's ASM Hacks

[Dokurider]

about this

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Or maybe increasing effect area by if if it is already 1 or more? i.e. holy still targets a single square, while Fire 1 targets 13.
 

That still would make spells really powerful. Imagine Sleep spell with Haste 2 AoE. You can hit 3-4 unit in it.

how about a skill that increases the AoE of anything with an AoE of 1 or more but raise the mp cost. it muts be a skill that has mp (i say aoe of 1 or more because many 0 aoe skills would look bugged because they arent designed to spread)

I don't think it's strong enough to be a Support Skill. Not against MAttack Up or Short Charge. It's better off as accessory ability.

[Zozma]

really? not strong enough? being able to AoE 2, with nearly all of the mage spells.

and the reason i had mentinoned it has to cost mp to begin with tho is, could you imagine what it would do to sword skills or draw outs?

[philsov]

In my opinion, it's better to just remove Strengthen X from chapter 1 Fire Rod and move it to Chapter 2/3 accessory.

Or just make said rods unavailable until later.  Either works.  Possibly provide a +1 MA rod to compensate the filled accessory slot until wizard rod is available.

Remove Ether and Hi-Ether, gives Rod something useful, like the ability to refill X MP every Y clocktick or something like that.

MMmmm... while I mainly use Chakra as my method of MP restoration, this is a blow to the hybrid-esque units already dealing with lower base MP/MA.  Having less mana restore options because their class can't equip rods (or they want a real weapon) is too much imo.

Anyways:

Snipe (Longarm?): Range of all action abilities increased by one.

[Kourama]

about this

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Or maybe increasing effect area by if if it is already 1 or more? i.e. holy still targets a single square, while Fire 1 targets 13.
 

That still would make spells really powerful. Imagine Sleep spell with Haste 2 AoE. You can hit 3-4 unit in it.

how about a skill that increases the AoE of anything with an AoE of 1 or more but raise the mp cost. it muts be a skill that has mp (i say aoe of 1 or more because many 0 aoe skills would look bugged because they arent designed to spread)

like turbo mp but with the added aoe range?

[Archael]

Putting this here:

FFTA's Turbo MP boosts Accuracy % with spells too

[Razele]

Alright, this is an idea (personally) for Mercenaries, which is a reaction that when Magic is cast at them they retort with a move that casts Berserk, is this possible? If so, is it possible to do without replacing Counter Magic.

Berserk status grants 1.5x damage and uncontrollable unit that can only use Attack Command.
If I see any unit (Samurai, Lancer, Monk, Knight) with this as reaction ability,
I would gladly use magic on them, trigger their Berserk and can easily kill them, since they can't use their deadly skills anymore.

Some comment from FFTA's FAQ :

R-Ability Name: Last Berserk
R-Ability Effect: When brought to/at critical HP, unit is Berserked. A Hit is
not required to activate Last Berserk.
R-Ability Rules: Last Berserk only activates under the following conditions:

1. This unit is in critical health (25% HP or less)
2. The attack/ability being used by an enemy is Atype

Other Information: Berserk increases physical damage by 20% in exchange for an
uncontrollable unit that can only use Fight. Nothing is better than Last
Berserk and by that I mean having No R-Ability is better than having Last
Berserk.

From BMG :

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[Berserk]
Appearance:  Character has a bright red tint and a red star in a
             speech balloon hovering above his head
Description:  Character's effective PA is equal to [PA * 3/2].  
Character is uncontrollable, and will always use the ATTACK
command.  Character cannot use reaction abilities and certain
move abilities, such as Move-HP Up and Move-Get Exp.
Add with:  Blind Rage, Berserk, Insult, Mind Blast, Grand Cross
Cancel with:  Esuna, Stigma Magic
Block with:  Magic Ring, Barette, Ribbon
Duration:  infinite


Anyways:

Snipe (Longarm?): Range of all action abilities increased by one.

Increase the range increment to 3-4. I feel 1 range increment still not enough compared to other support skill.
It's useful for Wizard to keep distance with their target.
This won't affect skills with 0 range, like Battle Song / Witch Hunt etc.

how about a skill that increases the AoE of anything with an AoE of 1 or more but raise the mp cost. it muts be a skill that has mp (i say aoe of 1 or more because many 0 aoe skills would look bugged because they arent designed to spread)

I don't think it's strong enough to be a Support Skill. Not against MAttack Up or Short Charge. It's better off as accessory ability.

really? not strong enough? being able to AoE 2, with nearly all of the mage spells.

and the reason i had mentinoned it has to cost mp to begin with tho is, could you imagine what it would do to sword skills or draw outs?

It's really powerful. You can convert Oracle's Sleep to Calculator's Sleep 2 easily.
But the double MP cost limitation seems intersting.
Basically, with 100 MP and ability with 20 MP cost, you can cast that magic 5 times.
With this skill, you decrease the number to 2.

[LastingDawn]

Eh heh.... you successfully quashed that argument, but for the +1 AoE range to be anywhere near balanced, I think would need 4-5x the original MP cost.

[Vanya]

Alright, this is an idea (personally) for Mercenaries, which is a reaction that when Magic is cast at them they retort with a move that casts Berserk, is this possible? If so, is it possible to do without replacing Counter Magic.

Berserk status grants 1.5x damage and uncontrollable unit that can only use Attack Command.
If I see any unit (Samurai, Lancer, Monk, Knight) with this as reaction ability,
I would gladly use magic on them, trigger their Berserk and can easily kill them, since they can't use their deadly skills anymore.

What if the unit retorted by causing Berserk on the attacking magic user?
It would cripple most magick users. Maybe call it Counter Insult or something?

[Razele]

Snipe (Longarm?): Range of all action abilities increased by one.

To make things clear, this support ability will extend Fire 4's range from 4 to 7-8, not extending weapon's range.
Sounds good to me. It allows Wizard to keep a good distance with their target.

Eh heh.... you successfully quashed that argument, but for the +1 AoE range to be anywhere near balanced, I think would need 4-5x the original MP cost.

Doubling the MP cost should be enough.
It's not that good, you'll run out of MP easily, since you require double MP cost for all abilities.
This support ability basically cut your max MP by half in battle.

Level 40 Female Wizard with Golden Hairpin and Light Robe has ~180 MP.
If she casts Fire 4, with 36*2 = 72 MP cost, she can only casts it two times in battle, instead of 5 times if she doesn't equip "Extend AOE".

What if the unit retorted by causing Berserk on the attacking magic user?
It would cripple most magick users. Maybe call it Counter Insult or something?

Well, it seems I misunderstand Lasting Dawn's idea.
a. You want a reaction ability that casts Berserk on the Wizard that casts magic on them or
b. You want a reaction ability that casts Berserk on the unit when the Wizard hit them with spells.

But, option a is too strong and option b is too weak.

[Archael]

God dammit guys learn to read.

Magical Mockery (my idea for Mercenaries) is a spell that counters MAGIC by casting BERSERK on the ATTACKER, NOT the guy with the R ability.

Like this:

a. You want a reaction ability that casts Berserk on the Wizard that casts magic on them

And Razele, how would that be strong? Br% chance to trigger and Berserk has a % chance to miss. Kill units with this reaction with physical attacks instead.

It's no more powerful than units with Abandon, which basically force you to use specific types of attacks on them.

[philsov]

Increase the range increment to 3-4. I feel 1 range increment still not enough compared to other support skill.

3-4 range on all abilities is worse than move +3.  For all practical purposes, either ability increases the range of a majority of actions by the same increment.  In addition to this, 3/4 extra range also provides another degree of protection thanks to either sheer distance or basic terrain/unit obstacles.  I can see 2, maybe, but 3+ is too much.

[Razele]

Since Vanya also misunderstand LD's idea, I believe I'm not the only one that doesn't fully understand what he wants.
When I first read that idea I think something similar to Reflect / Sunken State / Caution / Regenerator / Dragon Spirit.
Except for Counter Magic, there's no reaction ability in FFT that grants status back at the attacker, all of them grants status at at the attacked units.

And yeah, I have to use Counter Magic's trigger with Blind Rage spell, since there's no reaction ability that cast status back at the target.

And Razele, how would that be strong? Br% chance to trigger and Berserk has a % chance to miss. Kill units with this reaction with physical attacks instead.

Your comment gives me some interesting idea.
I'm currently stuck at implementing Subdue, since Poisoned Marsh trigger can't give Poison (Slow) to other unit beside the unit that step on the tiles.
But with your trick it can be solved.

Let's calculate the probability :
Knight : 65 Brave 55 Faith 10 MA
Wizard : 60 Brave 65 Faith

Blind Rage Formula : Hit_F(MA+X)

65% chance to trigger "Counter Blind Rage"
(140 + 10) * 0.55 * 0.65 = 53.625%  chance to cast Blind Rage (assuming the Wizard doesn't wear any mantle / shield)

65% * 54% = 35.1% chance to successfully cast Counter Blind Rage and Blind Rage working on target. Not bad.

3-4 range on all abilities is worse than move +3. For all practical purposes, either ability increases the range of a majority of actions by the same increment. In addition to this, 3/4 extra range also provides another degree of protection thanks to either sheer distance or basic terrain/unit obstacles. I can see 2, maybe, but 3+ is too much.

Not on all abilities. Any abilities with 0 (Chakra), 1 (Revive)   won't get range increment.
Although I can say that any random number that I throw will be tweaked after I think about balanced value.
Two range increment seems a good value like you say.

[Kokojo]

I wanted to know, would it be possible to make a Throw Item use Equipped item ? I wanted to make a last-attack kind of attack, that uses the Knight sword as a last move. You lauch the sword then you are left with your fists alone. Would be cool if used in critical, thanks.

Note : Equip change won't be equipable anyway.

[Razele]

I wanted to know, would it be possible to make a Throw Item use Equipped item ? I wanted to make a last-attack kind of attack, that uses the Knight sword as a last move. You lauch the sword then you are left with your fists alone. Would be cool if used in critical, thanks.

It's difficult to create that kind of ability.
The easier approach would be to create an ability that works in critical and destroy the user's weapon,
although I don't know if AI will understand that they will lost their weapon after they use the ability.
This means AI will always use this skill in critical status.

Compiled list of support abilities :



Compiled list of equipment abilities :

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Note: This list is not final. Feel free to post your comment if you have different opinion regarding abilities / items rework.

[SentinalBlade]

Im afraid i dont understand the description on execute...

For magic gauntlent, just keep in mind that chance to cast weapon spell's is teh same byte that also determines how often a spell will fire a status when used with a formula with damage

[Desocupado]

As usefulness go, could there be an ability that makes you get critical statuses when your hp drop to 50% (or 33~40%) instead of 20%.
Another idea would be a support ability that double the effectiveness of +PA, +MA and +SP buffs.

Well, if no better idea comes around you can always make a "thief glove", by making either steal have an additional 10~15% or adding PA to it's formula when the ability is equipped.

What about a skill that allows full evasion bonuses from all sides (maybe but from behind)?

[Archael]

Execute = Epic

[Razele]

Im afraid i dont understand the description on execute.

[Train] - 450 JP, Mediator
If you strike a monster directly with your weapon (e,g., through ATTACK,
CHARGE, or Counter), and that monster is Critical after the attack
resolves, you will also add: Invite to that same monster.

Replace monster with unit and add:Invite with add:Dead + set MP to zero.
It's the description of Execute.

As usefulness go, could there be an ability that makes you get critical statuses when your hp drop to 50% (or 33~40%) instead of 20%.
Another idea would be a support ability that double the effectiveness of +PA, +MA and +SP buffs

Most critical reaction abilities are already powerful.
Take a look at HP Restore, or Meatbone Slash.
If I raise the Critical requirement to 30%-40% that would buff HP Restore greatly.
25%-30% should be enough, maybe just 25% and merged with accessory.

For magic gauntlent, just keep in mind that chance to cast weapon spell's is teh same byte that also determines how often a spell will fire a status when used with a formula with damage

I can just nerf it to +6% increase if +11% increase is too much.

Well, if no better idea comes around you can always make a "thief glove", by making either steal have an additional 10~15% or adding PA to it's formula when the ability is equipped.

Hmmm, if you see the equipment abilities table you'll see Bracer increases stealing chance by 10%.

Another idea would be a support ability that double the effectiveness of +PA, +MA and +SP buffs.

I'm planning this idea for Undead support ability :

If the unit is put into 'Dead' status, instead of dying the unit will turn into Undead
with these bonuses :
- Clears all negative status
- HP, MP, PA and MA doubled.
- Recovers HP and MP to max.
- Always : Undead, Float, Transparent, Haste, Protect, Shell
Note: Only works once and ignore Undead immunity

I successfully create this support ability, unfortunately, there's a problem.
If you level up, those fake Always:X will be cleared.
Another solution would be to give Always:Undead, Float, Transparent, Haste, Protect, Shell at start of the battle
but it violates the original concept of Undead support ability.
You must die once to receive the bonus.

What about a skill that allows full evasion bonuses from all sides (maybe but from behind)?

Interesting, I believe Asmo also has the same idea with Phalanx.

[Archael]

chart's looking good razele

[Dokurider]

Yeah gj