New spells...

[Zozma]

vanya thanks alot for trying, i was really hoping that the game would just automatically assume that true 0,0,0 black is transparent... sigh

unless, in this case its using a different color to represet transparent, but that s way too much to do.

[Vanya]

I'm going to ask my friend about it. He was looking at the effect files for me to try to identify the pose and sound effect data. Maybe he can figure this out ,too.

[Zozma]

yay! <3 hopefully can complete the dimension magic skillset soon by adding flood

[Zozma]

ive got it! i know how we can get rid of the leviathan picture.

with the hex editor and shishi, this should also help us edit skills gfx in general, but as you can see i haven't removed the right section here and so leviathan is overlapping the water.... *help* lol.......

sigh... well maybe anyway

[Vanya]

Looks like shishi is using the wrong bit depth or isn't decompressing the file correctly. Maybe try opening it in YY-CHR?

Let me know what you did, pls. I opened the effect file in shishi and it looks completely different.

[Zozma]

the problem, i think, is that more of the file is extracted than just the location of the leviathan picture and so everything is overlapped....i think we could get it out if we found the start and end of only the picture.

it MIGHT be the same case with the Iron Giant (Dami.spr) and the kasanem and kasanek sprites

[Vanya]

That FFT View program can already extract them correctly. What we need is a way put them back in. Who the hell made that program anyway?

[Zozma]

no idea, i dont even know the extract program i didnt get it? but all we need is the location, exactly, of where the pictures are so that we don't interfere with any other data.

[SentinalBlade]

Zozma, have you tried the one of the japanese programs? the one that consists of a list of sprites and extracts them into 3 parts? Maybe there is a function somewhere to effect file extraction/injecting... i cannot do it, but you could do just as much as i can. considering id be clicking at random. i just started learning kanji last night to help translate things

[Zozma]

hmm but that one is inferior to Shishi....

[SentinalBlade]

Most definatly. But i do not know much about effect files. from what i can gather fomr the above 4 posts

It is extracted but discombobulated

It ends up overlapping

If you edit it, you may remove the things under it as well

It canot be... "Recombobulated" when finished...

The japanese are FAR more advanced in hex editing and event editing than we are, but i can only translate so much, and google is worthless for translting things.... "Old lady sells ducks" does not = "Adoko Kunachi Ka So Shin"

chances are they have some kind of way to reimport it. we know alot more about editing but they know far more about file structure.

[Vanya]

I had an idea for my scholar. For his skill set if you place a spell in his set and gave it the math skill flag it would not be directly usable in the skill set right? But when choosing the spell to use with the specified parameters it would be selectable no? My point is giving the scholar some very basic spells that use like no elements and are weak, but then as the unit learns other spells they become usable in the scholars skill set. I'd limit the parameters and usable skills to just a few to prevent it from being too powerful. Sound good?

This might help in your translation efforts, SB:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C

Here's some info from the FFT investigation project page about effect file formatting:

# effect

*.bin
    Very little is known. Palettes are 256 colors as far as known. Files larger than 70kB have the last 64kB of the file as a 256-pixel wide image, with the palette 1,028 bytes before that. Images over 34kB have a 32kB 128-pixel wide image at the end, with the palette 1,028 bytes before that. Smaller files have the 128-pixel wide image at 16kB minus 512 bytes from the end of the file, with the palette 16kB from the end.

And here's the program to view effect file and extract the graphics as bitmaps:

[Zozma]

thx for the program...
hmmm once they are saved as bmp it cant be changed back........

[Vanya]

Right. If we could only figure out how to re-insert those bitmaps...

[Vanya]

Well? Good idea or bad idea?

I had an idea for my scholar. For his skill set if you place a spell in his set and gave it the math skill flag it would not be directly usable in the skill set right? But when choosing the spell to use with the specified parameters it would be selectable no? My point is giving the scholar some very basic spells that use like no elements and are weak, but then as the unit learns other spells they become usable in the scholars skill set. I'd limit the parameters and usable skills to just a few to prevent it from being too powerful. Sound good?

[SentinalBlade]

I like it, i was in fact thinking about doing that for a special class...unqiue char ftw...with more uniqueness the cant be ftl

at anyrate, i like hte idea

[Vanya]

Cool. =)
Right now I'm giving him Level, Height, x3, x4, x5, Prime, and I'm making a couple of spells for him. One spell is a very basic magic formula spell that is non-elemental, and the other is a weak healing spell.

Any ideas for other special spells I could give him, or do you think is that a good start? Keep in mind that he'll be able to use most low level spells once he learns them from other jobs. Cure, Fire, Poison, etc.

[CidIII]

Exactly SB, their programs can actually correctly read Unit.bin, and WLDFace.bin

[Zozma]

i never realized that the effects Dejeon Send and Dejeon Arrive where centered! i thought they were off to one side of the map but its just that arrive is at a higher elevation.... they make great attack spells too hmmm...

i wish they followed target or caster but based off the effect it looks like it could hit anyone on the map really...

[Xifanie]

Yeah because that USB's map is almost all flat 0 height, it looks good but Dejeon Send on pretty much any map looks like real crap sadly.