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Quote from: "LastingDawn"I am a raging Liberal

WHAT!? There's no reason to screw over or otherwise mistreat people just because they're different from you...

These are all broken Republican philosophies. Can you name one that works?

Quote from: "LastingDawn"Hmm, well the Neo Confucianists aren't really trying to get any power, they aren't a religious institution, the times of Empire is long past, they're only teachings, there's no St. Ajora, or St. Ajora, not even dieties, just the simple respect one owes to the their family.

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Quote from: "Quo"And don't get me started on Reagan's "trickle down" retarded philosophy. As if man ever gives to the less wealthy. It's more like a trickle UP economy. The poor man gets more money, has more (or ANY) disposable income, and turns around and spends it on the rich man's business. THAT is motherfucking Capitalism at it's most righteous...

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a Socialist-Capitalism society. Balance makes the world go 'round. Extremes are bad. Too much of anything is bad for you... no more than Communism only works on paper does any other principal when put into practice as the only philosophy at all...

I agree with this, in particularly the underlined parts - Capitalism and all forms of Socialism and Communism have their faults at a base level. Capitalism crushes the unfortunate and praises the fatcats who just got lucky, leaving massive rich-poor divides (underlined by the fact GNP is no way to measure a country's development).

Whereas Socialism...well, it is very possible to live in a socialist / communist society, and there are less severe rich / poor divides, but its problem is that it conflicts with greed as part of human nature. Say you're not greedy all you want, but you wouldn't have your technology, at least most of it.

I'm on the fence between the two. Both can work in theory, but a mix would be best (socialism alleviates extreme poverty alongside extreme wealth, whereas capitalism generates more income for the country, as does direct foreign investment) - neither system is perfect, nor is it possible for EITHER of them to EVER be perfected.

The reason I support Socialist-Capitalism is because they compliment each other well.

Capitalism, as Mental_Gear said and everybody should know, creates crazy rich/poor divides. The ambitious/greedy get their fill, and the complacent/unfortunate get screwed over. SOMEBODY has to do the low-paying jobs. Who else will flip your burgers? Why should they suffer for their lot in life?

It's like FFT. The rich are the aristocracy/nobility of America. But Socialism provides relief for the "common" man, at a cost to the wealth of the rich...

Rich people don't need anywhere near as much money as they have. And, as Jon Stewart of The Daily Show once put it, "I have no qualms paying higher taxes because I make more money, because it means I can give back to the country that let me get this far". A beautiful sentiment...

But with Socialist-Capitalism, the ambitious still can do their thing, they just can't make more money than god like our celebrities and pro sports players do. But they can still live nicely. In the mean time, the poor don't suffer like the world's trash...

Without the poor, who will hold up the rich? Who will buy their products...? Who will do their services they don't want to do themselves...?

We need to look out for one another. Not shit on those we perceive as below us. Money doesn't even equal your value to begin with. Your decency as a HUMAN BEING does...

It's actually frightening how many variants of socialism there are.

Marxism
Socialism
Communism
Socialist-Capitalism
Lenninism
Marxist-Lenninism.

I'm sure there's more.

As a raging conservative (not a screaming, ridiculous one that makes a fool out of himself)... I am concerned about a public healthcare OPTION because I don't want my tax money paying for people's healthcare. A cheap, public option is a great idea as long as the people who use that healthcare system are responsible for paying for it. For example... I don't pay taxes so Wal-Mart can stay in business if I shop at Target.

While it is true the cost of healthcare is a problem, quality is a more important issue. Preventative healthcare will help people reduce the cost of their healthcare by reducing the number of visits... meaning they get real treatment rather than going back time after time to treat symptoms. Mayo clinic (which has been praised by Obama multiple times) pays their doctors salary so they are not encourage to "treat 'em and street 'em"... this could be a good start to a solution.

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QuoteI mean this country was founded on DEMOCRACY and LIBERTY. Yet somehow it's bad to be a DEMOCRAT and a LIBERAL?

this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. if the nazi's had been named the "hope brigade" would it have made their actions righteous? sorry if that was harsh but i just can't deal with hollow arguments like that

Quote from: "dwib"As a raging conservative (not a screaming, ridiculous one that makes a fool out of himself)... I am concerned about a public healthcare OPTION because I don't want my tax money paying for people's healthcare. A cheap, public option is a great idea as long as the people who use that healthcare system are responsible for paying for it. For example... I don't pay taxes so Wal-Mart can stay in business if I shop at Target.

It's already been said that the public option would be paid for by eliminating inefficienies within the current system. I've heard of no plan to increase taxes.

If you have health insurance, you're already paying for the health care of others anyway.

QuoteWhile it is true the cost of healthcare is a problem, quality is a more important issue. Preventative healthcare will help people reduce the cost of their healthcare by reducing the number of visits... meaning they get real treatment rather than going back time after time to treat symptoms. Mayo clinic (which has been praised by Obama multiple times) pays their doctors salary so they are not encourage to "treat 'em and street 'em"... this could be a good start to a solution.

No one will disagree with you about quality of care and preventative care being important. The problem is that currently, we spend more than any other developed nation, including all of those with national health care systems, and yet our overall quality of care doesn't reflect that. We're spending more on health care and getting back relatively less in return.

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QuoteI mean this country was founded on DEMOCRACY and LIBERTY. Yet somehow it's bad to be a DEMOCRAT and a LIBERAL?

this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. if the nazi's had been named the "hope brigade" would it have made their actions righteous? sorry if that was harsh but i just can't deal with hollow arguments like that

Except Republicans don't actually embrace the concepts those words describe, and in fact reject them. Whereas the people who use the labels based on said words embrace them entirely.

You can throw words around, but words still have meanings...

Quote from: "Quo"Except Republicans don't actually embrace the concepts those words describe, and in fact reject them. Whereas the people who use the labels based on said words embrace them entirely.

My biggest problem with Republicans is they use God as an excuse for a lot of things. Abortion and gay marriage just to name two. My problem is we run on a separation of church and state. I firmly believe if you use a religious bias as an argument in politics you should not be allowed in a position of power. I want to hear a logical and well thought out argument. I don't want people thinking they can just interpret an ancient book for the problems of today.

Exactly. This is a party that doesn't even appreciate the ideals this country was founded on, and yet calls those who do "unpatriotic". Separation of church and state has been a part of this country since the beginning-- it was the whole reason we HAVE this country. The founding fathers are turning in their graves, and I honestly don't blame them...

Besides, "Jesus told me to" is like... totally unreasonable. I mean, even if I WAS religious, why would I just believe he's telling the truth???

As if there are no liars among men...

Quote from: "Quo"Besides, "Jesus told me to" is like... totally unreasonable. I mean, even if I WAS religious, why would I just believe he's telling the truth???

As if there are no liars among men...

Religion in no way affects my views on political matters... but what you said here only proves you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I understand 3 religions fairly well because I have friends who are Christian, Mormon, and Muslim. The whole point of RELIGION is FAITH, and to christians Jesus is not just an average man. So if you actually were religious, like you suggested, you would believe him. That's what religion is.

QuoteIt's already been said that the public option would be paid for by eliminating inefficienies within the current system. I've heard of no plan to increase taxes

This is absolutely true but my concern is that the public option will eventually work its way into being no so optional. I am happy we are trying new things but frankly I like my insurance company. Truth be told, it is hard to truly know what's what with this bill when Obama is saying it's the best thing in the world (like that stimulus package that certainly hasn't done quite enough for the cost) and crazed republicans saying Obama is trying to kill their grandmother.

Quote from: "dwib"Religion in no way affects my views on political matters.

I respect you all the more for that.

Quote from: "dwib"This is absolutely true but my concern is that the public option will eventually work its way into being no so optional. I am happy we are trying new things but frankly I like my insurance company. Truth be told, it is hard to truly know what's what with this bill when Obama is saying it's the best thing in the world (like that stimulus package that certainly hasn't done quite enough for the cost) and crazed republicans saying Obama is trying to kill their grandmother.

I can understand having a respectable health insurance company. More power to you if you do. I just feel for those who can't afford even the simplest of procedures. I get free health care because my mother is a nurse. I'm going into an allied health field of work, which means I will always have a health care plan. Not everyone can say that.

This is just my feeling but it is wrong to make people suffer because they don't have high paying jobs. The lower class hold up the upper class. If they (hypothetically) disappeared then everyone suffers.

Quote from: "darthpaul"My problem is we run on a separation of church and state. I firmly believe if you use a religious bias as an argument in politics you should not be allowed in a position of power.

This was how Ireland was until at least the late 80s. Gay marriage, divorce and even the sale of contraception was illegal. Ireland has a history of being very insular and xenophobically catholic.

Abortion is still illegal here. I agree on that.

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Quote from: "Quo"Besides, "Jesus told me to" is like... totally unreasonable. I mean, even if I WAS religious, why would I just believe he's telling the truth???

As if there are no liars among men...

Religion in no way affects my views on political matters... but what you said here only proves you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I understand 3 religions fairly well because I have friends who are Christian, Mormon, and Muslim. The whole point of RELIGION is FAITH, and to christians Jesus is not just an average man. So if you actually were religious, like you suggested, you would believe him. That's what religion is.

For somebody trying to insist that I've no idea what I'm talking about, you sure don't know what you're talking about. You don't even know what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that I would question Jesus. I would question the man that said Jesus spoke to him. I would question him, as a fallible human being. A person who might not even BE religious at all, much less one of Christ-based origin.

I think you might want to try to stop hounding my words randomly. You're not really doing very good, and it's making you look bad...

For the record, I think Jesus was a great man. And I would trust his word based on his reputation in his life, though I am definately no theist...

It's not making him look bad, Quo, because that is how what you said came across.  You don't see it in the wording because you're the one who said it, but I can collaborate that what he thought you said is indeed what it sounds like at first.

I'm not saying that what you say is wrong, but that's the second time he's jumped on a minor thing that I said-- without even addressing the greater content to boot.

If he wants to have a civilized discussion, fine, but I'm not exactly keen on his attitude...

Quote from: "dwib"This is absolutely true but my concern is that the public option will eventually work its way into being no so optional. I am happy we are trying new things but frankly I like my insurance company. Truth be told, it is hard to truly know what's what with this bill when Obama is saying it's the best thing in the world (like that stimulus package that certainly hasn't done quite enough for the cost) and crazed republicans saying Obama is trying to kill their grandmother.

The push for reform is to cover people who are currently uninsured. No one is going to be forced to use it. Certainly not if they already have private insurance they're satisfied with.

I'm aware of that but in the long run it could be a gradual progression to only having public healthcare, although if this bill passes I'm hoping that won't happen. I want uninsured people to have healthcare, don't get me wrong here... But too much of a good thing is bad, even with public healthcare, and I sure don't want people to push this too far.

What justifies your fear though? Government involvement in health care doesn't necessarily mean an eventual takeover of the health care industry.

Furthermore, the current efforts for reform are to get people covered under a plan the federal government pays for. They are not administering aspects of the industry itself, but simply paying for people's coverage. It's not like were suddenly going to emulate the health care system in Britain or anything along those lines.

...It's modelled after the UK's NHS.

I don't see how, especially since our physicians aren't going to be on the government payroll.