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Wikileaks: diplomatic cables leak

Started by Pickle Girl Fanboy, November 30, 2010, 02:22:12 pm

Pickle Girl Fanboy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ables_leak

The part of me that's "YOU TRAITOR!" is giving way to "This is some good shit" as I read these things.  Can't wait to see the rest.

Who knew all the shit your gov't can get into when you're not watching it?

Kaijyuu

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formerdeathcorps

Pentagon Papers v2

Now they're trying to prosecute the guy for speaking the truth about the crimes and black deals of our government and her allies.  Unlike the 1970s, even the press is joining in attacking him.  Just goes to show exactly which official organizations the people can actually trust...none of them!
The destruction of the will is the rape of the mind.
The dogmas of every era are nothing but the fantasies of those in power; their dreams are our waking nightmares.

MysticKnightFF5

The best part about all of this, is that he's not even being tried for treason or anything like that. Like, really, they get to him through a (probably false) rape charge?!

LastingDawn

Probably false? If you want to incriminate someone you use something more solid than that. You don't drum up rape charges. This man is likely guilty as sin. Not to mention I absolutely detest these sorts of things... Truth is one thing but this information affects America's relationship with the Rest of the World. Now if he was an equal opportunity traitor that would be another thing, but he is only showing dirt on America it is clear he has an agenda.
"Moment's anger can revert to joy,
sadness can be turned to delight.
A nation destroyed cannot be restored,
the dead brought back to life."

Art of War

Beta & Gretchen Forever!!!!

Kaijyuu

Perhaps he's American? I don't know much about this, but of course someone's going to expose their own country's secrets before other people's.


Personally I'm all for exposing pretty much any sort of government secret, save during times of war (and even then only secrets about said war, such as military strategy). I don't care which country the dirt's being dug up on; these things need some accountability attached to them.
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DaveSW

He isn't actually charged with rape.  In Sweden it is a misdemeanor offense for having your condemn break during intercourse.
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LastingDawn

Hah... what an odd... okay. Nevermind that then.
"Moment's anger can revert to joy,
sadness can be turned to delight.
A nation destroyed cannot be restored,
the dead brought back to life."

Art of War

Beta & Gretchen Forever!!!!

formerdeathcorps

He's an Australian last I checked, though most of his collaborators are active duty soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, who are mostly Americans disillusioned by the wars.

QuoteProbably false? If you want to incriminate someone you use something more solid than that. You don't drum up rape charges. This man is likely guilty as sin. Not to mention I absolutely detest these sorts of things... Truth is one thing but this information affects America's relationship with the Rest of the World. Now if he was an equal opportunity traitor that would be another thing, but he is only showing dirt on America it is clear he has an agenda.

The problem is that most of the stuff he took were from US State Department, Army, and low-level CIA cables.  Most of the juicy stuff there would be things that would be embarrass the US and her allies (hence why such cables were secret in the first place).  From their war experiences, this is probably their way at getting back at the leaders who sent them to war in the first place (which is why you don't see much stuff about the troubles in the non-US aligned countries...that and likely most of these cables, if they focus on other countries' problems, probably are discussing how to use it to further by US interests).
My suspicions about any "secret agenda" might be that this is a deliberate leak to blow off steam (because if you can have a supposedly unwanted release of information indicting yourself of some of your surface wrongdoings [while not revealing the dirtier stuff], you can then have plausibly deny the stuff you really want to cover up with the excuse of "Wikileaks didn't find it").  However, that assumes cynically that these "surface wrongdoings" (secret deals, bribes before UN meetings, spying on foreign diplomats) themselves won't create enough public fury to harm the masterminds themselves.  We can only assume this is the tip of the iceberg.
The destruction of the will is the rape of the mind.
The dogmas of every era are nothing but the fantasies of those in power; their dreams are our waking nightmares.

Pickle Girl Fanboy

Why is a Private First Class allowed access to any intelligence?

And considering all the illegal shit our gov't does, and how poorly we safeguard our own intelligence, whose fault is this really?  Granted, some of the stuff wikileaks dropped is fucking dangerous, like the list of foreign assets to protect during foreign wars, deep sea ports and stuff like that, but, other than that, I'm glad the truth is out on most of the crap they leaked.  Too many lies and there's nothing to go back to.  Poor grammar.