Razele's ASM Hacks

[Archael]

I've never seen AI take advantage of the wait feature UNLESS they have a specific AI byte on them

otherwise, if they can move, they'll move

regardless of it being beneficial or not

they'll frikken move

[Asmo X]

Regarding improved rest:
I tought AI sometimes took advantage of the waiting feature (i.e. +20ct).


Well.. Here goes more ideas:

Steady Feet:
Can't be knocked back. (mix well with jump +1)

Racing
Move +3 jump -2. Better than nothing idea.

Arcane Step (Magic Sprint or whatever)
Move +2, but you lose 1/3 current MP (or 1/4 max) each time you move.

Steady feet wouldn't be appealing enough alongside some of these other movement skills. Maybe if it did something else as well? It would be another good perk to have on the Golem Movement skill I suggested.

Racing: I'm pretty sure most of these maps were designed under the assumption that the player would have at least 3 jump. If you had 1 jump or something you would probably be able to trap yourself very easily. And I'm sure the AI would not take that into consideration when they moved either.

Arcane step sounds good but it depends how much focus on MP there is in any given patch.

[Razele]

Steady Feet:
Can't be knocked back. (mix well with jump +1)

Nice idea, but as a single movement ability it's a bit weak.
Jump+1 will lose +1 Jump bonus and will be reworked as another movement ability.

Racing
Move +3 jump -2. Better than nothing idea.

Exactly what Asmo said.

Move +2, but you lose 1/3 current MP (or 1/4 max) each time you move.  

Well, the biggest problems are when AI run out of MP, they can't move anymore.
If I encounter enemies that use this kind of movement ability,
I'll destroy their MP with MP break. This will cause Always:Don't Move

Golem movement: Permanent 3 move, pushes through enemies, can be used as a stepping stone, -1 spd, +10% Def Up, +10% M.Def Up.  

10% defense bonus seems a bit weak. With 10 PA, that will only reduces 1 PA.
Maybe change the speed penalty from -1 to % based.


Another idea from me :

[Bloodlust]
Increase movement by 1 / 2 / 3 when encounter enemies with health below 60% / 50% / 40% in 5 panel range.

[Asmo X]

The reason I was hesitant to give it more defense was that it cuold be stacked with def up, m.def up. How about this:

Permanent 3 move, push through enemies, can be used as a stepping stone, immune to knockback, -20% sped, +20% def up, +20% m.def up.

Can you actually do that bloodlust thing? If so, wow. I would suggest move+3 against critical range enemies.

[Asmo X]

Whisper: Chance to add charm when attacking someone from behind.

Superstition: Unit is immune to Crystal, Treasure on even-numbered heights.

[Razele]

Can you actually do that bloodlust thing? If so, wow. I would suggest move+3 against critical range enemies.

Yeah, it's just a "simple" math calculation.
Move bonus when encounter critical target seems nice.

[Bloodlust]
Increase movement by 1 / 2 / 3 when encounter enemies with health below 60% / 50% / 40% in 5 panel range.

+3 move bonus if there's a critical enemies on the battle.

It doesn't stack with the bonus movement from enemies' health.
3 movement bonus maximum.

Whisper: Chance to add charm when attacking someone from behind.

Hmmm, wouldn't this will override chance to cast Ice 2 from weapons like Ice Brand ?

Superstition: Unit is immune to Crystal, Treasure on even-numbered heights.

This means the unit won't have the dead counter (3, 2, 1, 0) when he died ?

[Asmo X]

It would override spellcasts? If so, it probably wouldn't be a good idea. And yeah, the character would be immune to permanent death. The counter might be there but I dont think it would do anything when it reaches 0.

[Asmo X]

How about this: You gain any positive status effect the enemy has when you are one panel away from them.

[SentinalBlade]

How about this: You gain any positive status effect the enemy has when you are one panel away from them.

wouldnt that make more sense for an standing near an ally...kind of a symbiosis thing?

[Asmo X]

If you call the skill "steal buff" or something it makes perfect sense. Your idea would be good too but it'd be WAY more powerful than my idea.

[Dokurider]

All these new ideas are making me frisky.

[Asmo X]

In fact, you could probably expand the range of steal buff so that you could get a few at once if you were lucky. I just had a better idea for a skill like that that works from one panel away: Subdue: Spd - 50% on a unit when an opponent with this skill is one panel away.

[Archael]

How about this: You gain any positive status effect the enemy has when you are one panel away from them.

thats

a fuckin good idea

[CidIII]

It is indeed a very good idea, not too overpowered as it would be if it was allies.

[Razele]

Subdue: Spd - 50% on a unit when an opponent with this skill is one panel away.

Seems too powerful for me.
You can surround a boss with 4 units equipped with Subdue ability, and his speed will be reduced to 1-2.

Speed : 20
Speed : 10
Speed : 5
Speed : 2

In fact, you could probably expand the range of steal buff so that you could get a few at once if you were lucky. I just had a better idea for a skill like that that works from one panel away

Does this skill just copy or steal (remove the buff from the enemies ?)

Let's see how many positive status that you can have :
Transparent
Reraise
Float
Wall
Haste
Shell
Protect
Regen
Reflect
Innocent
Faith
Defending

Negative :
Crystal
Dead
Undead
Charging
Performing
Petrify
Darkness
Confusion
Silence
Blood Suck
Dark / Evil Looking
Treasure
Oil
Berserk
Chicken
Frog
Poison
Slow
Stop
Charm
Sleep
Don't Move
Don't Act
Death Sentence

N/A :
Invite
Jump
Critical

[Dokurider]

How about one where you cant be hit by AoE but damaged more?

[Asmo X]

Yeah i just realised several ways that -50% speed skill would be too good.

My original idea would just be to copy the buff, sorry, not steal it. But if stealing it was possible, that would be ok too. I would be against copying/stealing buffs from allies. That just sounds like trouble.

I'm not sure about the reverse and having a skill that applies your own negative status to units who are a panel away. You could probably exploit that in several ways. You could frog everything very easily.

[Desocupado]

Could a movement ability give MP if you don't move and spend mp if you move?
This kind of effect could be used for many features...
Dunno, maybe giving haste if you don't move, and canceling it if you move.
Also can a movement ability behave different if you don't act (I guess yyour new teleport does).

[Asmo X]

AI can't use that properly

[Razele]

How about one where you cant be hit by AoE but damaged more?

Are you suggesting that for movement ability ?
What's the relation of magic's AoE with movement ?

Could a movement ability give MP if you don't move and spend mp if you move?

Yeah, that's what I do with the Old Teleport. It costs X Mp / teleport.
Anyway, I already said in other post, movement abilities that limited with MP cost can't be used by all class, even with only 10 MP cost.

Also can a movement ability behave different if you don't act

There's a variable that is used to check whether a unit already act / move.

How about this: You gain any positive status effect the enemy has when you are one panel away from them.

Actually, I'd prefer bring a Time Mage / Priest / Samurai and get them to cast
Haste / Protect / Shell / Regen on all of my team at the first turn.
Rather than waiting for enemies to receive positive status and copy it from them.

Perhaps it should steal the buff from enemies, but stealing the buff will cause enemies to apply the buff
to the their friends again, which can result in a stupid AI loop.

I believe some boss will just recast Magic Barrier if you dispel the buff.
You can exploit this by making one of your unit steal the buff, the others attack, and the boss will recast Magic Barrier again.