Game just like FFT?

[scynoth]

I remember a while back I played this game that seemed to be just like FFT. At the beginning of the game a village was burning, I don't remember much else of that. Also, you teams up with some mercenaries and one of them had wings and could fly. Also I think you could spar with your team to level your people up. Everything else in the game looked and acted like FFT. Its been such a long time since I played it that I cant remember much else but I really want to play it again if anyone can remember the name of the game.

[philsov]

you're thinking of Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together

the original Tactics Ogre (Let Us Cling Together) is really the father of FFT.  And FFT begat FFT:A, and FFT:A begat TO:KoL.  And lo, god smiled upon all he had created, except FFT:A, which now burns in the pits of hell.

Farlem.

oh, and WELCOME TO FFH, WHERE ALL YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE.

edit:  screwed up the titles -_-.  Fix'd.

[SilvasRuin]

<3 TO:Knight of Lodis.  Never had the opportunity to play the first one.

[scynoth]

Tactics Ogre (Let Us Cling Together) must be the one, sounds familiar and I know I played it on the Playstation. This forum seems very interesting, I stumbled upon it while looking for the name of tactics ogre. I didn't know people could "patch" games and add in there own content. If i can figure out how to put it onto a disk and play it via my Playstation I will defiantly be doing that.

[Kaijyuu]

If i can figure out how to put it onto a disk and play it via my Playstation I will defiantly be doing that.

Emulators are free and easy to use. I suggest using pSX since it doesn't required any configuration.

(If legal issues are of concern, burning a physical copy of a game is arguably worse)

[Jon]

ePSXe emulator and an iso which you can easily make with a program I like to use called CloneCD, seems to do it fast and perfect. Then you can play your FFT on the computer. Also, I don't know about y'all, but I loved TO Knight of Lodis, only one gripe was that it was a bit easy and the battles were too long, other than that it was like perfect or something. I remember making a generic unit named after myself and pwning everything as a Dragoon, *sniff*, good memories...

@Philsov: Damn straight! FFTA was the worst FF game that I've played. There might be worse, but why did they make it so crappy? The game (coding) itself has wonderful potential, I mean if there were a way to hack it with a program like the ones provided on here, the game could be awesome! No laws, everyone who is KOed at the end of a battle dies, the Bangaas could be like a man eating tribe that the humans and vieras and moogles and no mous fight, I mean the potential for that is limitless. Also custom sprites in FFTA could make it killer, I mean I just made a little while ago a human Dragoon, there could be female Humans, ect.
One last thing - you can make FFTA slightly fun and challenging by playing the whole game through (battles I mean) with only Marche. Have the other members only do the "side quest" like pub jobs. I am currently playing it as a SCC and it sure is hard sometimes!

[SilvasRuin]

FFTA2's system was better.  It just has a few horrific balance kinks to work out.

[Draivyn]

But unfortunately both advance titles had pretty bad storylines.

[SolidSnakeDog]

But unfortunately both advance titles had pretty bad storylines.

Indeed....always about a kid entering a book...trying to find his way back...i hate that.


The intro form FFTA2 is...oh comon...thats looks about the same that the frist one, almos the same kind of intro.
The game aslo start at the worst place possible....INSIDE A DAMN SCHOOL! (In the classroom, not less. Frist thing you heard is the school bell...)

The frist FFTA did about the same thing...

Comon Square...dump the *Book* and School* and *Time warp* thing and just let us live the story of an young warrior in an world of chaos. (Wy do i think dynasty warriors now?)

Not some kid that goes to school and open up a book and *warp* into it!  
If there make an other one, the story should be FFT style...not the FFTA style thats fails hardtime.

[SilvasRuin]

The story for the first one was actually intriguing since most indications were that you played the villain.

The second... the side stories were occasionally interesting, one or few being pretty good.  The main plot was indeed horrid though.

[Kaijyuu]

I've heard that FFTA's story was heavily modified during localization. Maybe it wasn't so terrible in japanese.

The story for the first one was actually intriguing since most indications were that you played the villain.

While that is a point in it's favor (at least if you assume it's intentional and not just bad writing), the last thing I'd call FFTA's story is "intriguing." It's more along the lines of "mind numbingly stupid."

Good gameplay though, at least when not comparing it to FFT.


Never played FFTA2 and not sure I want to.

[SilvasRuin]

FFTA2 is a vast improvement to FFTA in everything but story.  The story does indeed get even worse.  The side stories have a helluva lot more depth though.  It sill sucks compared to FFT, but the balance might be comparable to FFT.

Race "balance" observations:

spoiler

Seeqs suck no matter what you do with them.  Earlier in the game (as if you can get it particularly early), Reverse X-Potions could deal 400 damage a pop with them, but depending on how you level the rest of your characters, that stops being particularly impressive.  Ultima at least *should* surpass it and you don't have to maintain your inventory to use it.
Assassins aren't goddesses of death anymore.  They are just really awesome.  They are built far more like versatile glass cannons in this one.
Paladins took a similar but different hit.  They lost out on a bit of attack power and now have growths more specialized to being the tanks they are supposed to be.
Most jobs are at least moderately useful in some fashion, even if that is only when used as secondary skillsets.  That said, each race tends to have one or two jobs that are the best for stat growths, and sometimes the best to use.
* Melee humans are best leveled up as Parivir at some point as they max out their physical attack power that much sooner.  Leveling up purely as one is a waste, their PA growth is so high.  As for abilities, this is the closest job to being completely broken in power.  Forget dual-wielding as a human, these abilities are just as powerful and don't restrict you from shields.
* Other races make better mages.  I don't remember the best human growth for MA, but Seer is by far the best one to use... as a Secondary ability set that is.  With Illusionist, you can hit all enemies with both a magic attack and a melee attack... with a crappy weapon of course.  Used with a Ninja with Dual-Wield, they can deal much more damage than most ranged fighters, always have enough MP to trigger Magick Frenzy with a ninja spell, and have a chance of causing a nasty status effect to any enemies that survive.  With Paladin, Parivir, or Blue Mage especially, they make far better Red Mages than actual Red Mages do, minus the double-casting.
* Blue Mage is by far the best job for well-rounded stats.  Its growths aren't high enough to max any of their stats unless you get lucky, but all of them get close enough that it really shouldn't matter.  Stat-wise, they are the jack-of-all-trades but master-of-none, but only just barely, literally.  Heritor is ever so slightly better, but only one character gets that one.
* Nu Mou should level as an Alchemist whenever possible.
* Viera, interestingly enough, are best leveled as Summoners, Assassins, or Fencers.  Assassins are the most well-rounded (and fastest), but are very squishy.  Do not level one as a spellblade.  Despite being an advanced class, spellblade's growths suck compared to Fencer.  Green Mages are a good alternative for MA and Speed growths if you don't like to or don't want to use the speed reset leveling trick.  Using them as Red Mages, Snipers, or Assassins tends to work out best.  Snipers make a very good combination with Spellblade abilities if you like using status effects.
* Moogles are best leveled as a Time Mage for MA, if I remember correctly, or alternate between Gadgeteer and Mog Knight for well-rounded-ness and possibly maxed or close to it magic defense and physical defense.  Gunners are still a good choice to use with Ultima.  The new jobs suck.  Jugglers are still haxx.
* Gria should be leveled as a Raptor for offense or a Geomancer for defense.  Not much point to build one around defense though.  They can never max MA that I'm aware of, but they don't have many spell options to begin with, and Raptor is the best for MA too.
* Don't use Seeq.
* Bangaa have some more leeway.  Trickster is definitely the best for a spell using one (can be done, but certainly won't be your most damaging caster), but Dragoon or Master Monk are better choices for a physical fighter.  Master Monk tends to be fairly awesome for whatever you use it for.

Laws only come one at a time.  Breaking it means you don't get an extra (but never one-of-a-kind) bonus reward for the fight and you can no longer revive anyone until the fight ends.  So yeah, breaking the law handicaps you a bit, but it isn't randomly a tragedy anymore, and you get to know what you'll miss out on before the fight starts, if I remember correctly.  Far less annoying.

If you thought FFTA had good enough gameplay when considered on its own, then it is probably worth trying FFTA2.  If you thought FFTA could have been fun if the law system wasn't so absurd, then it is probably worth trying FFTA2.  If you despised absolutely every bit of FFTA, then FFTA2 probably is NOT worth trying.

[Jon]

I assume the FFTA 3 story (if there is one coming out) will go something like this:

The game begins in a library. The main hero looks in the bookshelf and finds an odd book. He flips through the pages carelessly, mostly because he can't understand the rune-like writing. All of a sudden a white light and !!! Here it comes! Get ready for it!
He ends up in Ivalice.

Or a decent version:

The game begins in some slums somewhere. The main hero clutches a crystal close to himself and says a silent prayer. Suddenly the door burst open and a the main hero's best friend rushes in yelling the White Lion Army is here! Startled but understanding, the 2 rebels run outside into the snowy streets and fight off the army.

See, no damn magic book, no wimpy Ivalice filled with bunny Moogles explaining everything. And there was no blood in FFTA! When someone stabs you in a cutscene I expect blood! And the Bangaas should be like a tribe of lizard men that eat the insides of humans! They should really bring it back to a Tactics Ogre standard, with betrayals, death, really evil people, robbery, hell in one word. Thats what Final Fantasy is all about - surviving hellish battles and then collecting Gil and dancing next to the corpses of your enemies! Victory theme!!

[philsov]

When someone stabs you in a cutscene I expect blood!

Random trivia:  FFT was the first FF to actually feature blood in a cutscene.  

Blood > tellah "dying" by blinking out of existence

[Draivyn]

Didn't 7 have blood when Sephy disemboweled Aeris?...Or was there just no blood there? And dear God please don't let there be another advanced title for FFT. Let them actually make a new console FFT. Like playing the start of Balbanes career....with all new jobs and abilities, however none of this will ever happen...Because as long as the story line isn't too stupid and actually challenges the players intellect... people will kill their children and wives to play this game.

[Xifanie]

Nope; no blood in FF7

[Draivyn]

Right suppose it was cheaper to not have to animate the blood of Aeris. As a side note that picture is rather hypnotic

[Wiz]

If i can figure out how to put it onto a disk and play it via my Playstation I will defiantly be doing that.

Just to add on to that, I'll be posting a vid soon in a thread here under the General forum so you can play it quicker and not have to spend like five hours figuring out how

I'm thinking it'll be called "epsxe v1.6.0 emulator and CamStudio tutorial".

[Jon]

Lol at Zodiacs moving gif. It looks like Sephi is cutting down a tree, you know like sawing Aeris to death.

[Pickle Girl Fanboy]

I assume the FFTA 3 story (if there is one coming out) will go something like this:

The game begins in a library. The main hero looks in the bookshelf and finds an odd book. He flips through the pages carelessly, mostly because he can't understand the rune-like writing. All of a sudden a white light and !!! Here it comes! Get ready for it!
He ends up in Ivalice.

Or a decent version:

The game begins in some slums somewhere. The main hero clutches a crystal close to himself and says a silent prayer. Suddenly the door burst open and a the main hero's best friend rushes in yelling the White Lion Army is here! Startled but understanding, the 2 rebels run outside into the snowy streets and fight off the army.

See, no damn magic book, no wimpy Ivalice filled with bunny Moogles explaining everything. And there was no blood in FFTA! When someone stabs you in a cutscene I expect blood! And the Bangaas should be like a tribe of lizard men that eat the insides of humans! They should really bring it back to a Tactics Ogre standard, with betrayals, death, really evil people, robbery, hell in one word. Thats what Final Fantasy is all about - surviving hellish battles and then collecting Gil and dancing next to the corpses of your enemies! Victory theme!!

Or an indecent version.

The game begins in dark room.  PGF is browsing internet porn on his laptop.  He sighs, scratches his nose, and types in "Viera+hooker+hentai" and hits Enter.  He finds a link to a strange site featuring the aforementioned Viera hookers.

One of the Viera hookers starts to move.  PGF mouses over it, and it is indeed a JPEG.  "What the hell is this shit," he asks himself.

The Viera looks at him, reaches out of his laptop, and starts... well, you know.

PGF gasps, "Whoa, watch the claws."

The Viera smiles, and, as PGF climaxes, pulls him through the screen and into another world.

****

PGF wakes up - bloody, sticky, naked, and bruised - in a cobbled alleyway.  Red neon light flash on and off at the end of the alley.

PGF groans, rolls over on his stomach, does a girlie pushup, and vomits all over the ground.

...

****

This would be one hell of a rom hack.

Nope; no blood in FF7

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