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Calculator -> Blue Mage

Started by VincentCraven, October 24, 2007, 11:04:33 pm

VincentCraven

October 28, 2007, 09:02:19 pm #20 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Spirit of Life (White Wind) definitely could use a boost. Fusion of Clam and Protect Spirit is also a nice way to make Mighty Guard. "Big Guard" (FFVII) is probably too powerful for this game, as it includes Haste.

Blood Suck has 25% chance to add: Blood Suck. I think I'd prefer Blaster too, just because if I made the enemy blood suck then he may make me blood suck on his turn.

I'll throw this set together and see how it looks in game.
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Prinygod

October 30, 2007, 01:59:19 am #21 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Prinygod
Poison Nail
Goblin Punch
Death Sentence
Self Destruct
Bad Breath
Choco Esuna
Level Blast
Hurricane
Drain Touch/Blood Suck
Life Spirit
Oink
Wall
Fire Breath
Giga Flare


some problems here, first of its very exploitable. For example chantage + Self Destruct. Its also too powerful you have healing, stats cure, status adding, 100% revive that ignores faith has better vtolerance than revive, and has a formula of 70+Ma. Hurricane is a super demi. All with no mp cost. And monsters will never be used again (as if they ever were in the first place)
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karsten

October 30, 2007, 05:48:14 am #22 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by karsten
Quote from: "Prinygod"Poison Nail
Goblin Punch
Death Sentence
Self Destruct
Bad Breath
Choco Esuna
Level Blast
Hurricane
Drain Touch/Blood Suck
Life Spirit
Oink
Wall
Fire Breath
Giga Flare


some problems here, first of its very exploitable. For example chantage + Self Destruct. Its also too powerful you have healing, stats cure, status adding, 100% revive that ignores faith has better vtolerance than revive, and has a formula of 70+Ma. Hurricane is a super demi. All with no mp cost. And monsters will never be used again (as if they ever were in the first place)

i think that chantage now give you just INITIAL reraise, not ALWAYS re-raise

VincentCraven

October 30, 2007, 06:31:08 pm #23 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Oh don't worry, that was just a set that reflected old Blue Mages. Because of the nature of this game...

1) Oink will either be seriously slashed or removed. I'm leaning toward removing it though.
2) Hurricane is being replaced by something like... Triple Bracelet (Breath)
3) Because this skills are monster skills, they MA*X abilities aren't too potent. Except maybe Giga Flare, which is deadly on the Behemoth

I haven't posted my changes yet, but the perfumes have either been toned down, or given a status that hinders their brokenness.

If monsters were never used in the first place, this class won't change a thing. However, I am taking measures to make monsters actually useful. That's one of the things I (or my testers) will look for in the beta version.

Wish I could work on this today, but I has some... stuff to do.
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Chrona

October 30, 2007, 07:02:34 pm #24 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Mind posting your current changes? I could give my thoughts and all, we could possibly come up with some balanced ideas =)
Silver Noble

Argg0

October 30, 2007, 10:11:08 pm #25 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Argg0
Seriosly, Tiamat is stronger (or as strong as) any beefed Generic, and most specials.

Still, people hardly ever use them.

Reason? Don't know... Maybe, too hard to get?

VincentCraven

November 01, 2007, 08:55:32 am #26 Last Edit: November 01, 2007, 09:28:01 pm by VincentCraven
Current Set
Goblin Punch - (PA +80)% success
Fire Bracelet - MA*10
Wind Soul
Mimic Titan
Choco Esuna
Clam Spirit - 2v2, (MA +60)% success
Beaking
Death Sentence
Level Blast
Nose Bracelet - (MA +70)%
Blaster - (MA +40)% success
Bad Bracelet
Drain Touch
Self Destruct
Dark Whisper
Giga Flare - MA*16
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Xifanie

November 01, 2007, 04:41:39 pm #27 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
nonononono not triple breath, it's so broken. :S
AND a very effective zodiac killer.

I liked the idea with 1 skill for each monster type.
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VincentCraven

November 01, 2007, 05:27:13 pm #28 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Whoops. Did not think of that. But what would I take from Skeletons, Wind Soul? I guess I could do that.
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Chrona

November 01, 2007, 05:28:55 pm #29 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Yeah, powered up Wind Soul. One of the only Wind elemental attacks really. Make it stronger than Giga Flare, since it only hits one panel, but not by much
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VincentCraven

November 01, 2007, 05:31:03 pm #30 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Okay, I'll set up a new set with one from each. How powerful should Giga Flare be? I'm starting to think MA*16 is a bit too potent. It's like a Draw Out with range, though it doesn't discriminate and currently has 0 vertical tolerance.

Btw, if Triple Breath is broken, should I remove it from the game entirely?

[Edit: Whoops, can't believe I actually left off Self-Destruct! Is fixed now]
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Chrona

November 01, 2007, 05:35:34 pm #31 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Not really. You can't even get a Hydra class monster til near the very end, all you could hope to use it for is Adramelk, Hashy, and Altima. Possibly Zalera too, not sure. Just that it would be too strong on humans who could get it for all the Zodiac battles

And MA * 16 doesn't sound that bad, since it has no V Tolerance. There are hardly any completely flat maps to take advantage of the AoE, but if anything you could lower it to 14/15 while making Wind Soul 16/17
Silver Noble

VincentCraven

November 01, 2007, 05:38:30 pm #32 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Hey... for Cockatrice skill: Beaking or Shine Lover?

Uribo skill: Please Eat, Nose Bracelet, or Pooh-?

Minotaur skill: which one? (Mimic Titan, Gather Power, Wave Around) I dunno if Gather Power is a good idea, since it boosts PA by two. That's a double accumulate!
I changed jobs and that has made all the difference.

Chrona

November 01, 2007, 05:51:14 pm #33 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Chrona
Gather Power wouldn't help much, since it's a mostly magical class. Mimic Titan would give it a decent Earth element. Earth and Wind are two underused elements, so why not =)

Though Wave Around could be considered useful too, since it hits around you. Meh, whatever

Cockatrice - Beaking probably, stealing Gil seems sorta...ineffective, since it's so easy to get after battles in tens of thousands, a few hundred makes hardly any difference. Feather Bomb would be fun, though it would mix up with Blaster

Uribo family - Please Eat would be a little cruel, would it not? Working so hard to raise your Blue Mage, then feeding yourself to someone? Oink seems a little overpowered at the moment, but a decent revival move would make it all around strong. Maybe Nose Bracet, or a nerfed Oink, don't really know.
Silver Noble

Xifanie

November 01, 2007, 08:27:46 pm #34 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
Beaking, Mimic Titan. Though remember the blue mage is also a physical job (well, as much as Geos).

Just give triple breath the usual breath damage formula.

I vote nose breath for pig class. Oink's too strong and straight dash? yeah sure.
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Argg0

November 01, 2007, 08:43:49 pm #35 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Argg0
How would you get hit by Gather Power? It's auto self target.

Asmo X

November 01, 2007, 09:04:34 pm #36 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Asmo X
Quote from: "Chrona"Gather Power wouldn't help much, since it's a mostly magical class.

What about using Blue Magic as a secondary for a monk or something then? It could be pretty damn powerful.

VincentCraven

November 01, 2007, 09:20:06 pm #37 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Physical? Should I change these stats then?
HPC HPM MPC MPM SpC SpM PAC PAM MAC MAM
011.   080.   012.   090   100.   100   050.   095   045.   105

Oh, and should Blue Mage have White Wind (aka Life Spirit)? Right now the set is full, so something would have to get the boot. Beaking?
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Xifanie

November 02, 2007, 07:13:10 am #38 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by Xifanie
I don't know... isn't that a lot of MP for a job that its main skillset doesn't even require MP?
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VincentCraven

November 02, 2007, 05:25:44 pm #39 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 pm by VincentCraven
Maybe. I was thinking along the lines of Geomancer, which doesn't use MP in its primary, but it has 95MP.
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