Favourite gaming villains?

[LastingDawn]

Yes but, Delita was blinded by rage at that point. And his actions afterwards speak louder than his words. He did not attack Ramza, all he did was cradle his dying sister in his arms. Delita is a Machiavellian sort of hero. The end justifies the means to him. Without Delita and Ramza both, the Lion War would have been a much lengthier, and far more costly war. Neither Lion was truly pure in their reasoning. While Delita does manipulate everyone, he visibly shows regret in playing Ramza's strings as he snaps back at Balmafula in a very uncharacteristic way, when she accuses him of using even his "best friend". Also War of the Lions really does make it see as if he truly loved Ovelia (extra scenes and the like). Delita's fall is tragic and I think it was meant to invoke sympathy for his character, whether he lives or dies his happiness has been taken from him. The guilt of his fallen best friend, and the love of his life snuffed out by his own hand.

[philsov]

The Dark Savant from Wizardry 8 is one of my favorites.  You only see him once before the final battle, but he shows up just to insult your party, and it's pretty cool who he turns out to be.

omg another wizardry fan.  <3.

[tithin]

If we're not limited to just video games, I'd have to say that Cersei Lannister tops my list of villains. Every other member of her family bar tyrion holds some form of personality that could be possibly construed as villainesque*, but they all hold suitable motivations, and change during the course of the story, for the better. Not Cersei no, she actually gets worse as the story goes on, and when she finally attains power, she bungles it in such a miraculous faction it's hilarious to watch from a meta point of view.

(*Well, barring her father, but he's not really a villain, just misled).

[Kaijyuu]

@LD

While it could be argued Delita had an overall positive effect in the story, doing the right things for the wrong reasons doesn't make you any less despicable. He did what he did to gain power, not to help anyone else. Ovelia was one of the few that saw him for the monster he was.


The biggest reason I hate him though... When someone sees the horrors life can bring firsthand, they can either work to make things better, or double the tragedy with petty vengeance.
His sister died because she was a commoner. He in turn kills and manipulates nobility because they are nobility.
Ramza did not want any more "Tetas." Delita seemed to want to make as many as he could.

[degrofm]

If we're not limited to just video games, I'd have to say that Cersei Lannister tops my list of villains. Every other member of her family bar tyrion holds some form of personality that could be possibly construed as villainesque*, but they all hold suitable motivations, and change during the course of the story, for the better. Not Cersei no, she actually gets worse as the story goes on, and when she finally attains power, she bungles it in such a miraculous faction it's hilarious to watch from a meta point of view.

(*Well, barring her father, but he's not really a villain, just misled).

Quoted for truth.

[Paheej]

If we're not limited to just video games, I'd have to say that Cersei Lannister tops my list of villains. Every other member of her family bar tyrion holds some form of personality that could be possibly construed as villainesque*, but they all hold suitable motivations, and change during the course of the story, for the better. Not Cersei no, she actually gets worse as the story goes on, and when she finally attains power, she bungles it in such a miraculous faction it's hilarious to watch from a meta point of view.

Game of Thrones is the shit.  However my money is on George RR Martin dying before the next book.

What about Jon Irenicus from BGII?  Or Sarevok from BG1?

[tithin]

Game of Thrones is the shit.  However my money is on George RR Martin dying before the next book.

You shut your whore mouth.

What about Jon Irenicus from BGII?  Or Sarevok from BG1?

Irenicus, yes, Sarevok, no. Irenicus and Sarevoks motivations on reflection are incredibly similar (seeking to attain the power of a god, manipulating your party to do their bidding) but Irenicus and Bodhi took it to a whole new level.

They stole your damned SOUL, on top of that, they wiped out an insane asylum being run by some of the top wizards, whilst they were being held prisoner, manipulated mind flayers, Ust Natha, blackmailed a silver dragon, assaulted and took over the city of the elves, damn near wiping them out in the process. And that was just fucking irenicus.

Bodhi took it a step further by abducting your characters love, turning them into a vampire, and forcing them to fight you, on top of forcing your character into the form of the ravager, and pursuing you through the depths of spellhold as a cat would chase a mouse.

Irenicus and Bodhi took villainy to a whole new level

The most that sarevok ever did was taint some iron, kill your foster father, then fall over on your blade. His incompetence was compounded by him JOINING YOUR PARTY after death, whilst in the plains.

[FFMaster]

Ah, I loved BGII. Agreeing that Irenicus was awesome, and would probably be my top villian right now, since I can't think of any other. Loved the speeches he gave as well. The voice acting was brilliant.

[Suikojin]

Ramses from Xenogears took infatuation to a whole new level! It was great anytime he was on the screen. One of my favorites.

[DarthPaul]

Yes but, Delita was blinded by rage at that point. And his actions afterwards speak louder than his words. He did not attack Ramza, all he did was cradle his dying sister in his arms. Delita is a Machiavellian sort of hero. The end justifies the means to him. Without Delita and Ramza both, the Lion War would have been a much lengthier, and far more costly war. Neither Lion was truly pure in their reasoning. While Delita does manipulate everyone, he visibly shows regret in playing Ramza's strings as he snaps back at Balmafula in a very uncharacteristic way, when she accuses him of using even his "best friend". Also War of the Lions really does make it see as if he truly loved Ovelia (extra scenes and the like). Delita's fall is tragic and I think it was meant to invoke sympathy for his character, whether he lives or dies his happiness has been taken from him. The guilt of his fallen best friend, and the love of his life snuffed out by his own hand.

^ This, for so many reason.

[Kaijyuu]

Hrm, I took the ending to be more of Delita getting what he deserved. Reaping what you sow and whatnot.

I stopped being sympathetic to him after he killed... what's his face. The noble in Goltana's court.

[DarthPaul]

what's his face. The noble in Goltana's court.

Minister Gelwan.

[Kaijyuu]

Yeah, that's it. I looked through like, 3 plot synopsis (synopsii?) looking for that name and none bothered to mention the scene xD


FFT has weird character development. The protagonists are all extremely underdeveloped (except maybe Ramza) while the side characters have these deep personalities and backstories.

[Cheetah]

I just finished get caught up with Game of Thrones a month ago. Great series, and so very true about Cersei.

[DarkxFatal]

Well..For non-FF villains, Mithos/Yggdrasil from Tales of Symphonia (1) is one of my most favorite..

When you first meet Mithos, he (as much as I can remember) was one of the very few survivors of a town the Desian's destroyed. Lloyd and the rest of the group takes him to Altessa's home/forge so he can stay there to be out of trouble. After a lot of plot goes by, depending on how long you take to get through the chunks of story, you go back to Altessa's to see Mithos to ask him something (it's been forever since I played ToS), as I believe a way to go between the two continents (though I think they're more like different realms connected..) and you spend the night there to be rested and get ready to leave. Lloyd is waken up by Genis saying Desians had came. They go outside and a few bits of dialogue occur and Mithos attacks your party. Genis questions his actions and Mithos reveals that he is Yggdrasil, the the leader of the Desians. Kratos comes to stop Yggdrasil from killing Lloyd and gets injured in the process.

It's such a shock when it happened though, the player is usually caught off guard by this twist and you start seeing things in a bit of a new light..

As for my favorite FF villain? I would say..Garland..as my second favorite.

Sure you kill him easily when you fight him, he's not even considered a boss, but a mini-boss. You rescue the princess and go back to the castle. You get a Lute which seems all but useless and you go on your way, easily forgetting about Garland. You fight the four Elemental fiends, bringing peace to the world, except you find something peculiar. The energy from where the four Fiends were was gathering back at the Dark Shrine. Of course your party goes there to stop what's causing it (and save the world). You go through the re-vamped Dark Shrine after finding a portal, but on all accounts, you presume it's the same shrine. You fight the four Fiends again (similar to what happens in FF 9) and you come to the final floor. Obviously you're prepared and ready to beat the final boss and protect the world. You've defeated the Four Fiends again, the only safe guard to this boss and it seems evident it'll be a fight against some higher power. But you find not some Kuja-esque character, or even a Sephiroth type person. No, you find Garland. He transcended time just to survive, going as far as to bring the Four Fiends, that's when you truly know you're in the past (I think it's the past..probably the future >_> ). He monologues for a minute at least, then transforms into Chaos. That weak mini-boss had transcended time to fight you again, this time as a final boss.

But I think Kefka is my favorite..He destroyed the world (that's what some people say..). While Sephiroth summoned Meteor which never did anything except make better music in the over world >_>.

[Caesus]

Mine would be, from FFT, Delta, if that counts as one...

[Kagebunji]

Mine is definitly Lezard from Valkyrie Profile, he was soo obsesed with making Lenneth a human, and his VA was perfect in both VP's. Best bad-ass ever!

[Zeio]

Kefka.

"SHUT UP!  You all sound like a bunch of lines from a self-help booklet!"

[Nocat]

Maybe I should have played Suikoden to experience Luca...


In no particular order:

Jon Irinicus (Baldur's Gate II) was damn good.
As was Yoshimo's forced betrayal from BGII as well, although that was conspired by Jon Irinicus as well soooo.

Kerrigan from starcraft I (and probably II) comes to mind.

Arthas and Illidan Stormrage from the Warcraft 3 and WoW era.

Kefka is up here somewhere, but as I never finished FF6 ill never know.

[Nocat]

...While Sephiroth summoned Meteor which never did anything except make better music in the over world >_>.

I still think FF8 had the best music I have ever heard.