Things you always wanted to say

[ban]

Oh yeah, FFH is gay.

[Dome]

It's not even funny anymore to see/play with you PSP7MASTER...
Thanks anyway

[philsov]

Zodiac sucks as he always bans me. And he shaves his balls. What a shame.
Arch is a cool Atheist/troll/troll atheist/whatever
Dome... congrats on getting a green name!
philsov. The REAL man. The master of the game.
bastard-poetry-who-hates-when-completeboy-calls-him-bastard. Bastard. Just kidding, your cock is great. And CoK, too.
Kokojo. Awsum patch. CoP ftw!
Samuri the geomancer. don't cry. I think you can win the next auto-battle tournament.
Vanya. Puerto Rico rules. Cuba rules more.
All the other guys. Cheers from PSP MASTER!!
*waits for double chainsaw of justice that is a fucking joke and DOES NOTHING*.

WELCOME TO FFH, WHER...

fuck it.

[Kuraudo Sutoraifu]

We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

No, we do not assume them to be false, we assume them to be unproven.  This still helps your point, though.  Still, something is only proven false when evidence brought against proves it false.

For example, the Big Crunch is a hypothetical reverse of the Big Bang, but just because we don't have proof that it happens, does not mean it is false.

[Samuraiblackbelt]

anyone else think it's funny that Voldemort complains about people pushing their beliefs on other people, yet he is the one who most often instigates religious arguments, or brings up his beliefs at all?

[Archael]

We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

No, we do not assume them to be false, we assume them to be unproven.  This still helps your point, though.  Still, something is only proven false when evidence brought against proves it false.

For example, the Big Crunch is a hypothetical reverse of the Big Bang, but just because we don't have proof that it happens, does not mean it is false.

I already addressed what you are saying here in my post

next time quote my entire post on the subject, not just 1 sentence

POST UNREBUTTABLE

Athiesm/Thesim - The natural universe is agnostic. Science can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora. This is why a religion of pure reason (historical deism) fails. Revealed religion has more merit, as it relies on faith. This faith does not deny reason, rather reason informs that faith.

The default position for anything lacking evidence is that it doesn't exist.

We weigh the validity of claims based on the quality of evidence presented, and how this matches up with the claim itself.

We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

Science can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora.

As you just pointed out, there IS no evidence to be found for or against the g0d claim. The LACK of evidence in this case seems to suggest that since there is no evidence for us to analyze in the first place, that the original claim is false.

The natural universe contains no true evidence for creation (from any religion) and no traces of a St. Ajora (save the descriptions of St. Ajora which are non-religious, such as "St. Ajora is love, St. Ajora is energy, etc" which reduce St. Ajora to something that isn't St. Ajora anymore).

The default position (from what we can observe in this universe) is that there is no evidence for a St. Ajora, especially not a religious St. Ajora. When we run into claims with zero evidence behind them, the default position is the lack of belief in the claim. It's not "Maybe", it's "I don't believe that, sorry".

In this case, faith DOES deny reason, big time. And reason isn't informing faith, or else you would stop all faith immediately upon realizing the lack of evidence behind the religious claims.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof


The Fallacy of Demanding Negative Proof

Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven (see negative proof).

[tithin]

I'm still here tithin. I cannot be killed.

I haven't taken a disliking to you. Yet.

Funny I had the feeling Tith had taken a disliking to me.

Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

[Archael]

Tithin is married
give him a break

[DarthPaul]

Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

Point taken. Damn you really show when you hate someone.

[Kuraudo Sutoraifu]

I already addressed what you are saying here in my post

next time quote my entire post on the subject, not just 1 sentence

Why would I quote the entire post if I was only addressing the inconsistency?  That would be superfluous.  I wasn't even trying to rebut your post; It was more of a post refinement.

[Vanya]

Fart!

[tithin]

Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

Point taken. Damn you really show when you hate someone.

I talk a good game, but really, I don't get angry, I just get annoyed, and then I vent.

[Melancthon]

I will never understand the popularity of Jack Black.

[Mental_Gear]

anyone else think it's funny that Voldemort complains about people pushing their beliefs on other people, yet he is the one who most often instigates religious arguments, or brings up his beliefs at all?

I'd pick 'annoying' over funny.

[Mental_Gear]

I'm still here tithin. I cannot be killed.

I haven't taken a disliking to you. Yet.

Actually...yeah. You did. Second time I was on IRC. Console war.

You claimed I was dumber than Dome.

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Dome]

WHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT????????

[Mental_Gear]

Well, if tithin says you're dumb as a brick, I find it quite an achievement to be dumber than a brick.

[Dome]

Mmm...
Mental_Gear+Dome+Brick of dumbness=Epic pwnage

[Mental_Gear]

We would fuse into one mighty beast...the Droolinator.

[Dome]

How you decided the name?