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[DarthPaul]

Of course it will never be legal but that shows just how undemocratic we are.

People want it to happen but it doesn't go up for vote.

[dwib]

you'd be surprised how many people DON'T want it to happen

[CidIII]

Just goes to show you, some people want to shoot other people and steal things.

People want it to happen but it doesn't go up for vote!

[Celdia]

Yeah, but I'd rather not see people acting like retards in public on a daily basis.

So would I but I work in customer service and ride the bus. Its unavoidable.

[DarthPaul]

Just goes to show you, some people want to shoot other people and steal things.

People want it to happen but it doesn't go up for vote!

Nice argument, but I have to say it is retarded for obvious reason.



My point was though that if a significant amount of people want something to be legal then it should go up to vote.

If we vote it down good job to the democratic system.

[Archael]

Just goes to show you, some people want to shoot other people and steal things.

People want it to happen but it doesn't go up for vote!

I am not a weed smoker and I don't particularly support legalizing it, however:

Shooting others and stealing things cannot be equated with smoking pot in the privacy of your own home.

They are not even on the same league.

Killing and stealing negatively affect others, while smoking pot "legally" in your own house doesn't.

This isn't a nice argument, it's an irrelevant one

I forget what the logical fallacy you're committing here is named, but I hope you can understand why this example says nothing about the legalization of pot smoking

[CidIII]

I was not trying to equate them, I was trying to point out that just because some people want something doesn't necessary mean it is the right thing. Leave it up to the spazzes to come on and try to "zing" me.
And, yes you were trying to, don't deny it. Because you point my use of a logical fallacy which is true I did, however, I was not arguing anything. But, in the same post both of you go on to use one yourself.

[Archael]

I was trying to equate them, I was trying to point out that just because some people want something doesn't necessary mean it is the right thing.

well of course

killing and stealing are quite obviously "wrong things" for society

but weed smoking?

that is a rather gray area , and not as obviously wrong as killing / stealing

people pushing to legalize weed is NOT the same as people pushing to legalize killing

Because you point my use of a logical fallacy which is true I did, however, I was not arguing anything. But, in the same post both of you go on to use one yourself.

nope

you were arguing something (whether it was intentional or not)

I'm the one who isn't arguing anything, just explaining why your example was irrelevant

tho you could call it that I'm arguing that killing / stealing is not the same as pot smoking

in which case I am not being fallacious at all, though

[CidIII]

Yes, he was saying that America is undemocratic because some people want something and it isn't put up for vote.

nope

you were arguing something (whether it was intentional or not)

I'm the one who isn't arguing anything, just explaining why your example was irrelevant

The same could be said for you.

[Archael]

Yes, he was saying that America is undemocratic because some people want something and it isn't put up for vote.

I'm not speaking for DP only myself

The same could be said for you.

What do you mean?

Like I said before,
people pushing to legalize weed is NOT the same as people pushing to legalize killing




if you weren't trying to argue anything don't make statements such as:

Just goes to show you, some people want to shoot other people and steal things.

People want it to happen but it doesn't go up for vote!

that's just ignorant, man

[CidIII]

It was supposed to be ignorant, I think you are missing the point of the post.

[Archael]

It was supposed to be ignorant, I think you are missing the point of the post.

I got it, it was supposed to make the concept that just because some people want something doesn't mean it should go up for vote.

I understand that much... but it's still an irrelevant statement to make in this topic (weed) because people pushing to legalize weed is nowhere NEAR as ridiculous as pushing to legalize killing / stealing.

When enough people push for something that is NOT so obviously negative (such as weed), there are few reasons why it doesn't go up for vote, such as the ones people stated about taxation.

In other words, weed isn't illegal because it's bad or because not enough people support legalizing it.

It's illegal for other reasons, such as the US gov being a bunch of greedy bastards.

[CidIII]

I'm not really against the legalization of marijuana, I'm just being realistic and saying it probably isn't going to happen. There really aren't many "pros" for it and that is why.

[DarthPaul]

Yes, he was saying that America is undemocratic because some people want something and it isn't put up for vote.

How does that not seem undemocratic to you.

Lets not look at marijuana here for a minute.

Let's just say the cure for cancer was found in another country.

Let's just say the government outright said no to using stem cells to create this cure in the U.S.


Let's say a the same amount of people who support pot are supporting legalizing stem cell study and use.

If it didn't go up to vote you could bet we would have reason to revolt on the government for not letting "us" have the final say in the decision.

Not the best argument but it was off the fly.

(Also if you say "just go to another country" this is my question to you. Why the FUCK should we have to?

[DarthPaul]

I'm not really against the legalization of marijuana, I'm just being realistic and saying it probably isn't going to happen. There really aren't many "pros" for it and that is why.

I don't think it will happen either I just think it seems odd that the government get's to decide "pot is the root of evil in the world".

Cause if you notice they do all they can to demonize pot smokers.

I should know I enjoy watching cops.........fun show.........don't taze me bro.

[Archael]

That and.. Alcohol / Cigarettes (both legal) are WAY more destructive than weed can ever be IMO

not everyone's mentality handles weed well and they do turn into lazy useless ppl, but some ppl do weed often and function just fine




 NO ONE's health handles cigs / alcohol well, though

[DarthPaul]

Those are my main arguments I use bundled up in a nice relatively small post, thanks Arch.

Note I do not smoke weed I just get angry that it is illegal and we have alcoholics killing each other with cars and what not.

[CidIII]

I know people who have smoked cigarettes since they were 12 and they are 80 now and have no problems, no cancer, nothing. Smoking ANYTHING can lead to developing lung cancer.

Also, people who drink almost daily and have developed no problems. And, it's illegal to drive drunk.

And, it's nice that we don't have the argument Nazis jumping on d.p. for "equating marijuana with the cure for cancer".

[DarthPaul]

I already said it wasn't the best argument.

You didn't put that in your argument.

[CidIII]

It wasn't an argument, it was a purposely ignorant statement to point out that just because people support something doesn't mean it should be thrown up for a vote.