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FFT Arena / Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢
July 05, 2011, 09:09:08 amGG Odal, those tanky knights were just too much.
No, life song is not on his list, but that didn't cause the bard to play stupid and ignore the frog2 ability. (It probably was a mistake to give him angel song with how much good it did in the matches.) I think the bad compats did that; the AI must have decided it wasnt worth it? Either way, no rematch needed. This was a team that lived and died by the bard; it's fitting that they died when he didnt/couldnt cast the spell. Hell, he couldnt even frog himself when he got the chance.
Also, we may want to consider banning frog2 if there is another tourney. Since there is only one item in the game that guards against frog status. Yes, there is esuna, frog, and item to remove the status, but multiple frogs in one turn is just too much for any team to come back from.
No, life song is not on his list, but that didn't cause the bard to play stupid and ignore the frog2 ability. (It probably was a mistake to give him angel song with how much good it did in the matches.) I think the bad compats did that; the AI must have decided it wasnt worth it? Either way, no rematch needed. This was a team that lived and died by the bard; it's fitting that they died when he didnt/couldnt cast the spell. Hell, he couldnt even frog himself when he got the chance.
Also, we may want to consider banning frog2 if there is another tourney. Since there is only one item in the game that guards against frog status. Yes, there is esuna, frog, and item to remove the status, but multiple frogs in one turn is just too much for any team to come back from.
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FFT Arena / Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢
July 04, 2011, 11:55:19 am
Good points deathcorps. I think the format i spoke of works best when you have a relative knowledge of the strengths if the teams: baseball has the advantage of the teams playing 50-some games before the tournament, and a committee of people to pick which team is placed where. Obviously if we had a ranking system we would separate teams so the apparently strong ones fight each other later on.
We may always have this discussion: every battle has elements of luck and this makes upsets fun for viewers... though maybe not fun for the person whose team was upset. Going back to the college baseball example, a few years ago an Oregon State team that was the last team selected to get in the tournament caught fire at the right time and won the championship. It's a part of all tournaments-- i think it only gets really mitigated when you look at the professional sports that do best of 7 series. But who wants to cast that many matches?
We may always have this discussion: every battle has elements of luck and this makes upsets fun for viewers... though maybe not fun for the person whose team was upset. Going back to the college baseball example, a few years ago an Oregon State team that was the last team selected to get in the tournament caught fire at the right time and won the championship. It's a part of all tournaments-- i think it only gets really mitigated when you look at the professional sports that do best of 7 series. But who wants to cast that many matches?
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FFT Arena / Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢
July 04, 2011, 09:50:23 amQuote from: Piercewise on July 03, 2011, 03:11:46 pm
This tournament is such a validation of the double-elimination format. Consider...
Throwaway, Odal, and OhGodBears have been in the loser's bracket since round 2, formerdeathcorps since round 1! Since dropping a match they've combined for 20 wins. And who did they lose to? Squidgy (out on rematch), Gaignun (winner's bracket champ), Otabo (out in R3 loser's bracket...to Odal), and pokeytax (out loser's bracket R4), respectively. Three teams that have since fallen away and one who could easily win it all. Love the double-elimination format! XD
The loser's bracket is a good start.
But how to do it well without doubling or tripling the number of matches needed to determine a winner? One idea could be what they do for the college baseball world series in the U.S. since that is also a field of 64, like what the last two tournaments here have been. Split the field up into groups of four, and they play all play double elimination in those brackets to get a winner. Winners of brackets face off for a best of 3, which leaves 8 teams to do the process again: two brackets of 4 and the winners play for it all.
And you can tweak those numbers however you want, it's just an example.
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FFT Arena / Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢
July 04, 2011, 04:48:45 amThat was hilarious. I love that bard; especially the un-frogging part! GG squidgy; making the frogging unit a bard was your idea if i recall, so you deserve half the credit for his success
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FFT Arena / Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT 1.3 AI Tournament Season 5 ☢ ☢ ☢
July 01, 2011, 03:27:17 pm
Wow, i just got the first chance to watch some Season5 videos! Been walking across spain for the last month and a half and wifi here is spotty at best. But i did get to watch a bunch with a good connection yesterday! I'll post some thoughts on those matches- sorry, i watched my team first, but i will watch them all when i can. Very intrigued to see how some of these ideas played out.
How did squidgy beat me so badly?? We tested together and i won almost every time. On well, we'll see how the rematch goes. Maybe i will get a frog to land on him this time.
I am very happy with the bard. Frog2 is a hilarious spell with the AI in control; i'm surprised we haven't had more self frogs honestly. Damn, i probably just jinxed myself. Oh well. But he is such a wildcard he can win a match by himself -- like match 49 with Last Song letting the lancer double turn and then an immediate Frog2 on two units -- or he can lose a match all by himself! Either way, he makes matches fun to watch.
I am very happy with the bard. Frog2 is a hilarious spell with the AI in control; i'm surprised we haven't had more self frogs honestly. Damn, i probably just jinxed myself. Oh well. But he is such a wildcard he can win a match by himself -- like match 49 with Last Song letting the lancer double turn and then an immediate Frog2 on two units -- or he can lose a match all by himself! Either way, he makes matches fun to watch.
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