Final Fantasy Hacktics

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Of course!
FFH should have 2 channels: One focused on tournaments, and one dedicated to mod playthrough/promotional videos/updates/whatever
In this way, whoever wants to play a mod but can't/doesn't want to upload such videos in his channel will have a place to upload them :-)
(For example, I could make videos about CoP, Parted Ways, CCP, etc etc...)

Definitely. I think focusing the videos on one channel will make FFH look a little more organized. I think playthroughs of the game should be on separate channels, though. Releases, updates, good information, should be on the main channel. Tournaments, I'm not sure where they should go. The main channel would be too boring if it only had update videos/releases.

Yeah, of course, but who would be the one that would be up loading the vids? would that be Et or Xif, or would another mod for that be chosen?
But of course it's a realy good idea

No. It would mean that you would have to maintain 2 separate channels, and people watching would also have to find both channels. Promotional videos can just as easily go onto the current channel, the only time that channel rarely gets used is during a big tournament, which isn't very often anyway. And opening a channel to the public isn't a smart idea anyway, and by that, I mean Dome's example is stupid.

Why do we need one?

@FFMaster
Open to the public? What do you mean, that everyone should know the password?
Lol
We just need to send the video to the one (Of the few) that knows the password, and he will upload them. Simple

Also, I strongly disagree about having tournament videos and gameplay videos on the same channel

So why not just upload them to their own channel instead of having to send to a mod who then uploads? Sounds pretty fucking stupid still.

First: Relax, because there's no reason to be harsh
Second: not everyone wants to upload gameplay videos in his channel, and IMHO FFH should provide a place to upload them
A channel called "FFHackticsTournament" and flooded with tournament videos (Which are different from other mods gameplay) isn't the best place to upload them

The only reason the channel was called that was because a fucktard named Voldemort deleted the other channel. The channel was supposed to be a channel for everything, not just for tournaments.

What happened belongs to the past, and my suggestion still stands
Considering the current "situation", IMHO, 2 channels are better than 1
I have nothing more to say on the matter

If it's a problem I think there should be two channels, but youtube also offers a playlist option. If need be just upload everything to one channel and take advantage of the playlists.

If it's just advertising, then the more channels the merrier (I'm thinking DarthPaul and playthroughs), but maybe there should be some organization in the channels.  Organization based on who uses them, or based on content.

Whatever you do, you should have a list of all the official channels on the mainpage, and a description of each channel - it's content or who owns it (and what they use it for).  This way, we keep with the whole user-generated content that's the whole point of the modding scene, we have trustworthy advertising (the "Official" channels), and we have organization to keep it easy to navigate for both newbs and oldfags.

Also, the more hands-off and do-your-own-thing we are, the better this will work.  And having multiple channels will prevent future Voldemorts from doing as much damage.

Owner organized
Pros
*Most secure - don't have to share passwords
*Don't have to send videos to other people
Cons
*Harder to navigate, unless you have a strict naming convention.  Like a prefix - [playthrough] OR [preview] OR [whatever the heck}
*When someone disappears, so does the ability to upload new videos.

Content organized
Pros
*Very easy to navigate
*Can keep going through changes in member absences
Cons
*Less secure - have to share passwords.  Vulnerable to ragedelete(1) and active-camoflage trolls(2).
*Have to send videos to other people when you don't have the password
*Can produce some crap videos, unless you have a system where other people review the video and remove it if it sucks.

(1) Someone who deletes other people's content, or collaboratively produced content, in response to a percieved slight.
(2) Someone who contributs enough to get in a position of authority, which they promptly abuse.

Lol at @Future Voldemorts

Quote from: FFMaster on August 30, 2011, 06:41:56 pm
So why not just upload them to their own channel instead of having to send to a mod who then uploads? Sounds pretty fucking stupid still.

Answer this question and I will concede. People uploading to their own channel is enough advertising as it is. Making 1 more channel won't change anything, if not hurt more. Plus, I'm quite sure we won't be able to make a channel with the name FinalFantasyHacktics. So what will you name it now? FFHModVideoPromos? Imo, Darth is right, just use a damn playlist.

I own this shit:

http://www.youtube.com/ffhpatches

I dont think there should be a separate youtube channel anyways and I am not explaining why. Good day.

It's just how Youtube works the best - having a main channel for a hub. I have a channel with about 10k subscribers, and that's how it plays out best. People enjoy just one channel because it's convenient. Nobody wants to check multiple channels for the same kind of videos.

Truth is, an "official channel" for Final Fantasy Hacktics would give it more of an official stand. It would just look better, and would keep it more organized. Although unnecessary, considering there's a whole website dedicated to FFH.

It's best if playthroughs stay on separate channels, and tournaments should probably stay where they are on their current channels, (main channel can post if it's a huge important one). But if there was to be a main channel for FFH, it should just be for a nice hub to post all the important updates for people that are interested.

People posting videos on their separate channel could then direct others to the main channel for a boost of advertisement as well. The more people that know the main channel, the more people get involved with the community.

It's fun how Youtube works. The bigger you get, the bigger you get. Word spreads fast if enough are interested.

That's just my two cents anyway. One main channel is a good idea. Not necessary though.

Make the tourny channel the main channel, tournys have been a big part of ffh for as long as we have existed.

Yes.
Nuff said.

I voted no.

The current channel's meant to be a collaborative one linked with all info related to it.

QuotePeople enjoy just one channel because it's convenient. Nobody wants to check multiple channels for the same kind of videos.

^, This. Don't get "multiple channels" mixed up with user channels, he's referring to "mutiple FFH channels".

When it comes to gameplay, the user's better off uploading to his/her content to their own channel then having it put in playlists (of the main channel obviously) if they so desire. Personally, I wouldn't make a playlist of X person's playthrough if it's not going to be completed with there being no indications that it's going to be finished. If people truly want their vids to get noticed, they should at the very least be committed to getting it done by showing consistency in terms of writing out an uploading schedule, when they'll be unable to work on it and such.



Now to respond to some of you directly...

@Dome

QuoteOpen to the public? What do you mean, that everyone should know the password?
Lol
We just need to send the video to the one (Of the few) that knows the password, and he will upload them. Simple

Two problems here...

Red: You clearly contradicted yourself when you said this about people uploading to the FFH YT Channel...

QuoteIn this way, whoever wants to play a mod but can't/doesn't want to upload such videos in his channel will have a place to upload them :-)
(For example, I could make videos about CoP, Parted Ways, CCP, etc etc...)

So please don't flip-flop on your position and pretend that you agreed all along with FFM, that's disingenuous.

Blue: That'd require the vid maker to upload everything anyways because they'd have to torrent/archive it then upload it to fileshare, piratebay, megaupload, etc... in order for the Channel Handlers to download and put them up. That also assumes everyone is going to finish a playthrough of whatever hack it is that they're recording, and trust me, there are many people who crap out half-way in and don't finish it and I don't want FFH to be known for that. It's not necessarily a simple process either because the above process takes a fair amount of time, and ultimately will be a wasted effort if the goal set by the creator's not finished.

@Dino:

Quote from: DinoI dont think there should be a separate youtube channel anyways and I am not explaining why. Good day.

If you're not going to elaborate why you support 2+ channels for FFH or even say "FFH should have another channel because I agree with this person's position, that is all.", then you were better off not posting in the first place.

@PGF:

Owner Organized doesn't really have any cons.

Quote*Harder to navigate, unless you have a strict naming convention.  Like a prefix - [playthrough] OR [preview] OR [whatever the heck}

No not really, playlists exist and everyone can just look over and find there corresponding one such as "Billy Bob's plays and owns FFT 1.3030 Easytype PSX" or more realistically, "Wiz plays CCP 1.944+". It's not strict whatsoever, promos could be titled "FFH Promos" and playthroughs could be named "X plays Y" at the minimum. Simps.

Quote*When someone disappears, so does the ability to upload new videos.

Not true, that's the creator's responsibility, not the mods/admins job to do that. If a mod or someone like me were gone, you could easily just ask another person with access to update the channel with your videos via a/the playlist (I say "the" assuming it's already been made) and make an announcement about it through the use of YT's bulletin system instead of having to make a vid about the update. It's fairly convenient to do it this way as well because the bulletin also shows up on the Main Page of YT (url = "youtube.com") provided you have an account and are subscribed to the channel.

Quote from: Wiz on August 30, 2011, 10:23:51 pm
Personally, I wouldn't make a playlist of X person's playthrough if it's not going to be completed with there being no indications that it's going to be finished. If people truly want their vids to get noticed, they should at the very least be committed to getting it done by showing consistency in terms of writing out an uploading schedule, when they'll be unable to work on it and such.

This is really crucial to a successful youtube channel. Definitely. People are more likely to subscribe and stick around/stay interested if the player/uploader is interested, interesting, and consistent.

Wiz, droppin a knowledge bomb on yall's asses.

So...everyone should upload videos on his own channel in your opinion?
Or Did I miss something*?

Anyway, since you directly answered to me
@Wiz
Red: I Never said the one who records the video must be the same person that uploads it

Blue: I know it doubles the amount of work (The maker of the video must upload it, and someone else downloads it/re-uploads it again to YT) but allows people who doesn't want to upload FFT stuff to their channels (Example: Me, because as I already said I applied to become a YT partner and I don't want copyrighted stuff on my channel) to make videos, which will promote FFH
About the second part...yeah, not much people finish what they start, I'm aware of that...


*If I did, please make a TL;DR version of your previous posts to explain

Besides, if it falls through, there are no negatives.
It's not like we're actually taking a chance here, and it seems pointless to be arguing about it anyways. If somebody has the patience to get a YT channel set up for it (naturally it wouldn't be mandatory to upload to if you make your own videos), then by all means, let them set it up. I see no reason to restrict them when the results of failing is we go back to how we were before this idea. Yet, if it succeeds, many good things could come of it.

QuoteSo...everyone should upload videos on his own channel in your opinion?

Gameplay vids that feature someone else's hack to answer your question yes.

QuoteRed: I Never said the one who records the video must be the same person that uploads it

That's not what I'm referring to.



You argue in A that it's alright all individuals have access to the FFH channel because they "will have a place to upload them" instead of their channel in your own words. Now in B, you deny that you made that very suggestion and it's dumb to do so because the facts are right there and don't lie.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the discrepancy between the two statements. Although you replied to this question of FFM'S, you didn't give a valid response as to how it's more magically effective to ask a mod to upload your vid onto FFH's channel than to just do it yourself and I'll explain why.

Quote from: FFMasterSo why not just upload them to their own channel instead of having to send to a mod who then uploads? Sounds pretty fucking stupid still.

Your reply (summarized): "Because they'd have to put the vids on their YT channel, which they may not want".

Simple solution, if you don't want your main YT channel flooded with FFT content, make ANOTHER channel exclusively for that purpose and upload there.

E.G. "Wizdaddy714FFT".

I'm truly surprised that this didn't cross your mind. You yourself acknowledged that it "doubles" the amount of work through the use of mods to get vids up meaning more strings are attached, so why press this point when you know you're flat out wrong about having this opinion?

I'll put it to you this way, if John Smith said that he was going to play FFT Plus and do the story-mode only (Excludes Sidequests, DD, and all the custom randoms), and 3 months later, decides to fall back and abandon the idea after completing Ch. 3, what are you going to do? Leave the series incomplete? Or get rid of it because he didn't fulfill his promise. I sure as hell don't want to have my time wasted uploading his content only for it to be passed off as another member of FFH biting off more than they can chew.

QuoteBesides, if it falls through, there are no negatives.
It's not like we're actually taking a chance here, and it seems pointless to be arguing about it anyways.

What falls through? This hypothetical second channel? If so, yes there is a negative/chance, it's called time is wasted for all the uploaders. Giving everyone access to this second channel's a bad idea, because that greatly increases the chances that it'll get deleted (reality is not everyone can be trusted).

QuoteI see no reason to restrict them when the results of failing is we go back to how we were before this idea.

How's asking them to upload to their own dedicated YT channel restrictive? On the contrary, linking to another user's vid through one main hub is a win-win situation for everyone in terms of promoting for both the host and partner/FFH and user(The higher the Vid View Count, the higher the chance of getting noticed on YT for all parties i.e. the user and FFHackticsTournament, which this hub already is if you type it in the search bar).

I haven't really looked around much. Do we have a main YT channel for FFH right now? And if so, what is it called? Noticed FinalFantasyHacktics was shut down.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FFHackticsTournament

We should have a second Youtube Channel dedicated to mod content - but that content should not be large endeavors like full playthroughs.  Ever.  That content should be previews of various patches, showcasing of various tools made by the community, tutorials, etc.  When a video previewing a fully-released patch is made, the description can be edited to include links to playlists of various people's playthroughs of the game for people interested in those sort of thing, but it shouldn't be something the channel is about.

Tl;dr: We should have a second channel, but only for the purposes of tech demos, displays, previews, tutorials, etc. and not full-patch playthroughs.  If you want to do a full playthrough, either do it on your own channel or make a new one for it.

So? What will happen?

I think Raven's idea is pretty solid, myself.

And I say it's unnecessary.

If the channel was called "FinalFantasyHackticsdotcom", do you really think this exact conversation would be taking place right now? I have a hard time believing that you didn't bring this question up because of the YT channel's name.

I'll say it again...

Quote from: The current channel's meant to be a collaborative one linked with all info related to it.

Those who are subscribed and/or follow FFHackticsTournament who at the same time aren't active on these forums know that this channel functions the same way as FinalFantasyHacktics did despite what it's name leads you to believe. Hell, a patching tutorial made by me's already up + there's a couple other ones on my channel (Hex Editing, Spriting via Color Swaps), Wizdaddy714, I wouldn't mind putting up, but am not doing so because I fear my ass will chewed w/o asking permission first.

Quote from: RavenofRazgrizWhen a video previewing a fully-released patch is made, the description can be edited to include links to playlists of various people's playthroughs of the game for people interested in those sort of thing, but it shouldn't be something the channel is about.

You could also advertise other's channels on the main channel page (as in here (http://www.youtube.com/user/FFHackticsTournament)) and direct people to it where it's in this (http://www.youtube.com/user/JoshJepson) type of a format (look under the heading "The Church of Jesus Grandma").

tl;dr: I see no reason why everything else shouldn't go on the existing channel because there's no compelling argument listing any cons about having only one hub.

As a side note, if people are concerned about too many people getting access (i.e. Password) to the channel for fear of a it getting deleted, a simple solution is to leave the account info into the hands of a dozen trustworthy people (even that seems like too many imo...perhaps like 7 or 8). Then, have everyone else post onto their YT channel (even if it means they create a separate one for FFT/Gaming content exclusively) and the vid will be linked into the corresponding playlist called "FFT Mod Tutorials", "CCP Promos", "CoP Promos" or w.e. For those that don't know and want clarification, playlists that comprise of videos from other people's channels are possible to make, meaning YT's all the more customizable.

You're right Wiz, it is entirely a name thing, but proper and intuitive naming is part of professionalism.  Having a channel named "FFHackticsTournament" be the site's primary channel just looks lazy, and gives newer viewers a false idea of what the content scope is. 

If it's already being used as a catch-all, we don't particularly need a second channel.  Hell, I'd rather we only have one channel.  The name just looks unprofessional and is just overall poor for what's meant to be a "Hub" channel.  If YouTube weren't such bastards and allowed you to change your channel's display name, there'd be no reason to have a second channel.  As it is, it's just feels in somewhat poor form to have a channel advertising itself as being Tournament-focused but actually being the primary channel for everything.

There's really no other reason to have a second channel other than looking professional with our naming, since everything can be Playlisted to make all the various contents easily found anyway.  The naming issue is really the only reason I feel we need two - and that's for the sake of newer members / people finding us on YouTube / etc, not the people already here.