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Modding => Spriting => Topic started by: IvanX on December 21, 2010, 03:29:23 am

Title: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on December 21, 2010, 03:29:23 am
Well there's not much to say, I'm a new member here, and new to spriting anything FFT related.
Honestly, I'm just looking for a new style to play with, but I'm pretty rusty sprite wise in general, so don't expect much from me.

Protagonist from Persona 4
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9586/soujifft.png)
My first attempt at this, but be a critical is you feel fit.

Also looking for ideas as to whom I should make next.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Twinees on December 21, 2010, 04:45:52 am
Ill start with the portrait: The character's right eye is one pixel too thick and the eyes arent shaded correctly (see normal fft port for reference). He seems very young. You've also managed to use only 12 colours, you could use some of those to shade the face and neck, then possibly 1/2 more colours for the jacket/collar (total of 16).

Sprite: the hair doesnt have a great amount of depth to it, a change of palette or extra colour could help this.

Can't really comment further because I've never played Persona 4, but its pretty good for a first attempt at fft style tbh.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Jon on December 21, 2010, 06:30:39 am
Not too bad, just one rule, post everything also at 2x or 3x size. Right now its so tiny that I barely can see the details up close.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Kagebunji on December 21, 2010, 06:47:26 am
Hah, portrait needs some major fixing indeed. Twin pointed the things you have to fix.

I just got my own Persona 4, haha. I will tell you more once I know how the protagonist looks
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: mav on December 21, 2010, 11:39:18 am
Portrait eyes need to be reshaped. If you want innocent, childish eyes, look at Alma or the 10 year old boy or girl sprites. Right now the hair on both the sprite and the portrait don't look natural: colors are too bright and the shapes aren't done well. The back angles look fine on the sprite, but the others look like he's wearing a freaking helmet. The clothes look okay.

Pretty good first attempt, keep working on it.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on December 21, 2010, 04:23:01 pm
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1705/soujifftx2.png)

Hopefully fixed some of the problems >_>

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2995/othersfft.png)
Also some previews of two others (wips) , the second being an experiment with the limits of the style.

Now, continue this your critique please.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: GeneralStrife on December 21, 2010, 04:42:22 pm
Welcome, fellow spriter! We love seeing new faces. One thing with FFT styled sprites/ports is their style. We usually borrow from them, the styles are very hard. Some veteran spriters can come along, and help you even more. I.E Kage,

WELCOME TO FFH, WHERE SOME OF YOUR DREAMS MAY COME TRUE.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Mando on December 21, 2010, 11:46:50 pm
Add more "life" to the first portait. His hair in a sense seems to kind of be flat make it have some depth and vary some of the lengths like in this photo i found. Also try adding a holster (use a variation of mustadio's)


Also try making a lighter purple tint for his hair darken the outside of it up a bit right now his hair is too bright.

(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/215/e/4/Persona_3_poster_summon_by_D_JProductions.jpg)
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Kagebunji on December 22, 2010, 09:39:53 am
Mando, he is doing protagnist of P4, not P3. Anyway, the portraits you did so far look way out of FFT style, use way more references, this should help you get on the right track. Hair needs some fixing as well, it is still way too flat. Use some darker shade of grays, in P4 his hair is more gray than whie too.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Twinees on December 22, 2010, 11:58:27 pm
What about something more like this for Isaac?
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/8962/isaacport.png)

Though this still needs quite a lot of improvements (face and hair mainly).
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Kill_Bones on December 23, 2010, 12:13:38 pm
Twinee's example is definately a good reference to go off of to grasp the style.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on December 24, 2010, 05:38:59 am
Twinees, I really got to thank you, your edit provided heaps of help. :D
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7467/fftstuff.png)
Again, the second of the two is just me pushing the FFT style to it's boarders and then some.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: mav on December 24, 2010, 12:10:59 pm
It's a bit of a stretch to call that second portrait "FFT style" at all. Choppy shapes and lackluster shading make it look incomplete at best. Only take from existing portraits at this point--you don't need to create new portraits from scratch without knowing exactly what you're doing. Even the first portrait needs help. Twinees's version had some good updates, but the face shape needs help, the hair is a mess, and the colors are just plain ugly.

Your ambition is admirable, you just need your spriting skills to develop a bit more.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Lijj on December 24, 2010, 05:10:06 pm
You took Twinees' port and managed to fuck it up again somehow.
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8117/11791222.png)
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: GeneralStrife on December 25, 2010, 10:10:02 pm
Hmm yeah, ports are the hardest, not many can do them well.
Remember to use existing colors/shading techniques and ports in general.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: mav on December 26, 2010, 12:15:00 am
Just take pieces from existing portraits, it's much easier and you can still make some great looking stuff.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Twinees on December 26, 2010, 08:07:12 am
http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=5338.0
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8962/isaacport.png)
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on January 06, 2011, 04:56:23 pm
I have to thank you again, twinees, and smash for his helpful tutorial.

So I present...
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2559/linketnablah.png) (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/linketnablah.png/)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9058/linketnablahx2.png) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/linketnablahx2.png/)

Enta and Young link
The first being custom and the latter being an edit.

Of course I'm having problems with etna's hair, since right now, it's a total mess.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Lijj on January 06, 2011, 06:24:50 pm
Quite an improvement IvanX! Enta needs some shodow under her hair also- when you fix the hair keep that in mind.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: mav on January 06, 2011, 10:25:17 pm
You're not balancing the shades out well enough on your portraits. Compare how blobby Enta's hair and Link's hat look to any other FFT port. It's tough to shade when you're all custom, but you need to get it down. Enta also needs more shades on her skin. Good improvements though, as Lijj said.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on January 06, 2011, 11:22:29 pm
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2559/linketnablah.png) (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/linketnablah.png/)
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9058/linketnablahx2.png) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/linketnablahx2.png/)

Any better?
I've cleaned up Etna's hair and link's hat, as well as playing with the contrast on Etna's skin.

Also something completely unrelated
A friend of mine has been nagging me to finish a personal ff6 hack we started a few years ago, and after seeing the Terra Smash made in an older thread, I got a bit motivated.
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1613/terrastuff.png) (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/terrastuff.png/)
Still very WIP but I'm liking how it's turning out.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Kagebunji on January 07, 2011, 06:52:22 am
How to say it.... Your style is somewhat "cartoonish", the hat on Link was perfect, very FFT-like, you have made it plain, and very cartoonish. Same goes for Etna, we had a great looking portrait for her somewhere, IIRC Jupi did it, if you could find it, you would see how she should look. It's still better than your first portraits ofcourse.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Jon on January 07, 2011, 04:36:07 pm
Wait a sec Kage, that Link portrait looks pretty damn good, except for the hat like you said. Needs shading on his high forehead as well. I think you could use this with my Link, well if you want to...
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: IvanX on January 09, 2011, 10:46:28 pm
So I tried something different with link's hat.
Went backwards process-wise with Etna's hair.
And played around and made two other characters
1st being "wut is this I don't even"
and the second obviously a knight.

I'm tired now.
Sleep time,
ciao,
later,
bye.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: Cheetah on January 09, 2011, 11:55:18 pm
Nice improvements of the shading of young links hood. Etna still needs a lot of work with the hair, keep at it though I think you are going in the right direction. First it was a bit pillowy, now it is too animish.
Title: Re: New spriter on the block
Post by: mav on January 10, 2011, 12:00:53 am
Alright, you gotta take pieces from existing portraits. Custom creations take so much work. You're not ready for this yet. I know it sounds harsh, but you have to do this. Look at the shading styles and the general shapes of your latest two creations. Now compare them to existing portraits. They're way off.