Final Fantasy Hacktics

Have you ever wondered if Square has any idea that we exist?  What would they think of us reverse engineering thier game?

We haven't done nearly enough to get noticed yet.

need... fly... japan...

point gun...

grab source....

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Profit!

Well, Yuji Naka knows about the Sonic community's reverse engineering, so it's possible that Square has also stumbled upon this site.

Using Stumble Upon, no doubt.

I imagine Square employes are totally scanning this site for new ideas for FFT.

 AND THEY WON'T CREDIT US FOR IT!

Raises post count like a fucking jerk.

Quote from: "Voldemort7"Raises post count like a fucking jerk.

HEY! You can't take superficial suggestions like that!

Particularly I wouldn't mind if they took ideas from us for the next actual FFT, if we can be of any assistance I feel that would be an honor enough, after all we are a bunch of law breaking rogues, so to speak.

That would be cool, BUT I'M NO ROGUE! ! !
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I'M A PIRATE!!!!

Law breaking? Where? I bought the game legally, and what I do with it after is no one's bussness, as long as I don't distribute it. Which we are not, we are just creating patchers for those who bought the game legally as well.


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I'd like to think most of us actualy bought the original game at some point in time, before going out and downloading a iso of it to patch. or better yet are using backup copys we made ourselves.

hmmm

I hope Square doesn't mind I'm raising my post count like a fucking jerk.

oh well.

True, if one has a back up copy that would be completely legal... Hah, very nice exception to the rule.

Lawbreaking indeed.  That's precisely why I don't use my real name here.

Wait a minute...

I think they'd take one look at the site, blink a few times and then come to the conclusion that what the fans must REALLY REALLY want is for them to get busy on FFT:A3!

"But sir, every forum I've seen where people discuss whether FFT is better than FFTA or A2, they always say--"

"--FORGET WHAT THEY SAY OR I'LL BREAK YOUR NOSE!"

i own both the psx version and the psp version and im sure most everyone here owns one or the other. they should be happy if this site creates more sales for them. how would it be illegal anyway? theres no burnt copies of any merchandice at all for sale or distribution. it really should be viewed as a mega fan site, because for all reasons that matter, it really is a fan site. im sure by now they have seen the site and may even be watching what goes on here, and if so they havent put a stop to it. the site hasbeen around long enough for at least someone from that company to have seen it or heard mention of it.

Bumping a topic nearly a year old.

We've made alot of strides since then.

any thoughts on wether theyve taken notice? like maybe to event editing? or even Zodiac's representation of ff7?

they probably find it amuzing. but were not doing anything wrong, more like a large collection of fans creating fanfic versions of the game

The developers are probably sitting there laughing and thinking how awesome they must be to have people like us doing this to their game.

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A posibility?

Then again... there is the Chrono Trigger: Ressurection game, though did they charge for it? If they tried to make money off of that project I can see why it was shut down.

Square can shut down any project using it's IP regardless of it making money or not

it depends on whether they feel like taking legal action

With Chrono Trigger: Ressurection, they made it as a project to test and improve their programming skills as well as being able to show it to future employers. Square didn't shut it down, they said never to release it to the public or they would take legal action. Square allowed them to finish the project though.

Hah... well that's news to me. Yes, we're nowhere near their level. They let 1.3 release without a hitch, so I can imagine the same with the rest of our myriad of projects.

Quote from: "LastingDawn"They let 1.3 release without a hitch, so I can imagine the same with the rest of our myriad of projects.

1.3 is too microscopic for them to take notice

I'm not sure you guys realize just how small FFH (and 1.3) is in the scope of the internets and modding communities

if you have a major, successful FFT modification that thousands (hundreds of thousands?) will play, say, something like a FFT online mod, that will seriously absorb a significant number of people's attention from something Square *could have* produced, but never did-

 then they will take notice and action, regardless of it bringing money or not

We are not big, but at the same time we are not small either.

They probably know about us already and are interested in how we develop(just a theory).


I was talking FFT with the clerk at a local gamestop and he told me if I was up to it to visit ffhacktics.com, for hacking tools and stuff to up the game experience. Shocked me a bit, not too say I'm not proud to be a part of the undertaking.

I think we're not just small. We're very very small. Sure we're the only real FFT modding site, but we're still very small.

We don't even have 1000 members yet, and I'd say a good 50-70% of the members we do have are inactive or just lurking.

You are correct, in retrospect I don't think that Square could really notice us. The internet is a humongous place anyhow.

we need a google seed page so more searches point here

Quote from: "Voldemort"I think we're not just small. We're very very small. Sure we're the only real FFT modding site, but we're still very small.

We don't even have 1000 members yet, and I'd say a good 50-70% of the members we do have are inactive or just lurking.

This, I think we would have to get to, or at least very close to, the hundreds of thousands before there's a CHANCE square knows about us.

Uh, there's a darn good chance they "know" about a community once it gets big enough that thousands visit everyday.

Hundreds of thousands is a high fanbase for a new retail game.

googling "FFT 1.3 patch" is >500,000 results.

O.o

Nevermind that Fast Fourier Transform is also an acronym for FFT.

HATE

I'm thinking they must. I mean all they need is for one person to take a look at the FFT board at gamefaqs and they'll find out.

GameFaqs must be 10% the size of any respectable gaming site in japan

heh

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It's Japan

There are plenty of developers who google their games, regardless of nationality or language, and post in forums or browse a site.

The FFT Online text rpg was taken notice of by several of the developers, before they actually wanted to do anything to the site. They eventually testified it was harmless fun, despite no legal righto t use their copyright.

Several developers of the recent game titled "Zeno Clash" have posted on several torrent sites(although waht they said really doesnt matter, it was nothing negative) and have been around web pages.

Many of the older games, such as Vagrant Story, had lots of unauthorized fansite, that developers noticed, and even gave bits of information to.

I can almost assure you that GF is on the top 10 places to look in a developers search list for fanboys and feedback. Even if its just people who worked on Sony America, or even just workedo n the translation for games coming from Japan.

A while back, the Translater for the Lufia series of games, released a long time ago on the SNES, and the latest one on the GBA, posted on GF thanking people for the compliments given on his translation.

Dont think developers are unaware of sites, its a possibility they are unaware, but even the most minuscule community doesnt go unnoticed more often than not. Look at how many people from all over the world we have here. Italians, English, Asian, Phillipino, I even knew a Russian woman who visited for a brief time. Most of the time, these arent exactly people in the US, they are in foriegn countries.

Also Voldemort, keep in mind GF is browsed by people in japan all the time, and GF has a japanese language variation as well(or it might be gamespot. but those two places are the same thing, as posts in GF show up in Game spot)

I think the site has probably been noticed. It'd be awesome if someone who worked on the original FFT posted something here.

Do you think there's a Japanese FFT hacking community as well, with lots of projects like we have on FFH but in Japanese?

Also, I'm from Argentina, South America.. so you can expect people from all over the world visiting here (and think about the ones who just lurk / don't sign up.

One look at the GF boards won't mean they will find out about FFH.

Alot of 1.3 and FFH posts / topics get moderated on GF.

Trust me, many have been my own.

I'm willing to bet they don't know about FFH, due to what I posted here:

QuoteI think we're not just small. We're very very small. Sure we're the only real FFT modding site, but we're still very small.
We don't even have 1000 members yet, and I'd say a good 50-70% of the members we do have are inactive or just lurking.

and saying that they know about FFH just because they go through GF is a stretch

If they knew, we wouldn't become aware, because nothing we are doing here is large enough to get their attention or notice for action... .ppf patch distribution is nothing compared to what I described above:

Quoteif you have a major, successful FFT modification that thousands (hundreds of thousands?) will play, say, something like a FFT online mod, that will seriously absorb a significant number of people's attention from something Square *could have* produced, but never did-

then they will take notice and action, regardless of it bringing money or not

Quote from: "Voldemort"If they knew, we wouldn't become aware, because nothing we are doing here is large enough to get their attention or notice for action... .ppf

This is what I personally believe is the case.

Grats Sentinel on reviving my dead topic.

Square's likelyhood to find us is slim.  The top 200 pages for googling Final Fantasy Tactics make no mention of our beloved site, likewise for Google image search (but image search did produce a broken link for the ShiShi Sprite Editor).  On Youtube, LD's Mercenaries patch makes a blip at video #35.

So unless we start making a bigger ruckus, I agree with Arch, we're invisible to Square.

Someone should make a patch involving Square's staff so when they google their names said patch pops up =P

Voldemort, point missed. I mentioned GF, but that wasnt my entire topic.

Chances of us knowing if they found is is miniscual.

Honestly though, people from japan have found us just by browsing around. Hell, there is even a japanese modding site, commonly posted and talked about on 2ch.net(you need a foriegn IP to join appearntly, because they wont let me sign up because its US Comcast). You realize that the japanese sites makes more mention of us and our projects, our sprites, and our innovations, then we do of theirs. You can look at the posts, you just cant reply yourself; but you can clearly see the links to our topics.

The chances of a Developer NOT knowing is slim. therem ight be a chance we have gone un noticed, but im damn sure the japanese community has been taken note of; 2ch.net is known for hacking games, and is even behind several illegal patches or translations for many psp games.

Saying GF is my only source, or the main way to find them is a poorly structured arguement. And it wasnt even my main arguement or point.

Invisibility is not possible when a game as largely popular as this is being hacked. as evidence from people in japan, russia, argentina, Tawain, even on person in north fucking korea(i didnt ask who let him on though). If we havnt been noticed, 2CH has, and we are allover 2ch and their wiki. in fact melonheads patcher is downloadable on their wiki.

If you honestly think we are that small... how big are other hacking communities? name at least 10 that have recieved the title of becoming so large its impossible ot notice. Its funny, even the smallest hacking communites get noticed. some even get shut down before they start, there was one for tales of phantasia that got threatened 2 days after it was announced that it might happen.

Like uyu said though, if they know about us, we most likely wont know it. but to think there is no way or a incredibly small chance we have gone unnoticed, then you are wrong; Boards get in trouble and noticed for less.


Also kuraudo, i believe there isnt much more of a ruckus we can make. sure we have alot of undiscovered info, but we can change the order of stories, even make new events, change sprites and names and graphics... what more can we do that other hacking communites have done to games? the only thing that most of us need now is custom ASM code, and every other succesful hacking site has some string of that in their criteria.

Whats more, is this site isnt a small team project; This is doable by nearly ANYONE. its not like you need lots of knowledge to hack with fftpatcher. Its more likely we have been noticed because of our ease of use for general hacking. Unlike chrono trigger, which took alot of knowledge of asm or hex, fft you dont need to know either to hack.

we ARE that small, regardless of how big other hacking communities are

and the truth is nothing we do here will warrant action or care from them, no matter how much they notice us

it's just a .ppf patch and an editor. neither of these is illegal and neither of these is a unified project with potential for a (very large) unified fan-base. it's just personalizing your FFT files.


also: FFT is not that popular, at all, never was (compared to other franchises, I'd say it's very unpopular!)

there is a difference between "small, cult following" and "halo-popular-where if you even touch their Intellectual Property you are staring at a major law suit"

the moment a project becomes big enough to remove the possibility or interference of monetary gain from a company, you are fucked, and nothing we do is big enough to cause that

when square shut down that Chrono Trigger 3d re-make, (and they did this WAY before it was even nearing completion), it was because they thought it would possibly get in the way of their gains if they decided to play their Chrono Trigger hand in the future

when square (if they do at all) notices FFH and doesn't do anything about it, it's because they don't think anything we're doing will be successful enough to get in their way if they do decide to play their FFT hand again

If we were doing something big in their eyes, Zodiac would have heard from them already

I think you are massively over-estimating the scope of what we're doing here SB, the very fact that square has never contacted us speaks volumes about the potential of anything we've worked on

if this entire site groups up to work on ONE MASSIVE project that gets REAL attention (and we could) then you would see square taking action, provided it acquires enough of a fan-base to interfere with them

my 2 cents

Note: by ONE MASSIVE project I'm not just talking editing FFT, but creating a new game (and by NEW I MEAN NEW. NOT just editing FFT) based on the FFT universe

Your points are noted, but slightly untrue in some respects.

We are probably 3x the size of many other hacking communities, and we have a larger fanbase then monster hunter does, but monster hunter translation teams were sued very quickly.

You are UNDERestimating the size of the fanbase, and what we can do.

Quoteif you were distributing a modified FFT ISO that can allow others to play eachother online, (not kaillera, but built-in) then you're talking Corporate attention

True, we havnt done that, but we have more than messed with what was originally in teh game. we have expanded, restructered, rerouted, ASMed it, added new files, etc.etc. In many legal copies regarding emulation and ownership of a game you are modifying, it is summed up that you do so for personal use only, and you forfiet several rights when you publicly release it(. It also says you are not to modify the game by adding entirely new files and replacing/erasing/modifying existing ones(meaning anyone with custom sprites(so nearly everyone) in their project may be doing illegal things by U.S. law in some states)

Those laws are scetchy, and each state and country has different codes regarding them. The code in florida allows for extensive additions to limited cartridges or containments(as in CDs). but the law in ohio prevents modifying in even harmless ways. Most states commonly could care less about editing the Q value of an abilitiy, but adding new code, or even a new storyline, will pique alot of debate.

Laws are crudely sketched, and should not be taken into consideration in most arguements. The point always being the same, if the devs dont like it, they stop it. Wether what your doing is legal in your state or not. Dontr try and argue the fact that multiplayer would be a more popular feature and more noticed, because its still messing with their files or even limits on their CD, which is illegal anyway. Plus WOTL has multiplayer, theres not much more they can do to profit off of that.

The fact that ehy havnt contacted us proves nearly nothing. Chrono-Trigger 3D was shut down near its completion. Meaning they had already done alot of shit and were nearly going to release it; What are the chances they didnt know about it till it was nearing completion? We havnt released a project yet. Its always possible they think we will flop and dwindle and die like other communities. If we release a project and it gets a fanbase, i agree, it will pique alot more interest. but we do have enough publicity to get noticed.

And the halo arguement is also poorly structured; many more people play halo than almost any other game. Not everyone has played chrono trigger, or even heard of it, but it got shut down.

All these arguements are poorly structured, even mine, ill admit, but mine is based on experience and other sites that i have visited.

Also, just for the note on how big a fanbase FFT has;

Final Fantasy Tactics sold 824,671 copies in Japan in the first half of 1997.[71] Since then, the game has been sold at 1,350,000 copies in Japan.[72] In the United States it reached an estimated sale of 750,000 units as of year 2004.[73] As of March 31, 2003, the game had shipped 2.27 million copies worldwide, with 1.36 million of those copies being shipped in Japan and 910,000 abroad.

That is just for the PSX, i didnt care to search for PSP one yet. Its fair to say its not as popular as halo, but thats comparing an old apple to a bright ripe orange. FFT is over a decade old, halo brought more to the table than it could at the time. and square-enix(or ivalice alliance) obviously thought it was good enough to re-release, but they obviously also believe in straight up ports.

Also, as im sure you know, the entire FFT team went on to develop vagrant story, and many people have mentioned the developers of vagrant story to be very involved in their game's communities. When i work on a game after college, you bet your ass ill be searching around on fansites.

I'm not trying to structure an argument really, just saying that nothing we do here is significant enough to warrant square's attention

that's not an argument, it is fact

because square hasn't called us out for what we do here

like I said the moment we work on something truly big, you won't need to argue it, action from square's part will confirm it

just like their lack of action now confirms that either

a) they don't know about us

or b) they know about us and what we do isn't significant enough for their attention

im not so much trying to argue anything as just present the facts

QuoteAs of March 31, 2003, the game had shipped 2.27 million copies worldwide,

I didn't say FFT didn't sell, I said FFT is very unpopular compared to other franchises, are you gonna try and argue that FFT is popular compared to the big names in the gaming world?

I'm glad it sold the figures you looked up, that's nice, but it's still unpopular by comparison and is considered a small name compared to the big guys

like I said before, you'll know you hit a big project / idea when you get a cease & desist letter from square

Quote from: "Voldemort"I'm not trying to structure an argument really, just saying that nothing we do here is significant enough to warrant square's attention

that's not an argument, it is fact

because square hasn't called us out for what we do here

like I said the moment we work on something truly big, you won't need to argue it, action from square's part will confirm it

just like their lack of action now confirms that either

a) they don't know about us

or b) they know about us and what we do isn't significant enough for their attention

im not so much trying to argue anything as just present the facts

QuoteAs of March 31, 2003, the game had shipped 2.27 million copies worldwide,

I didn't say FFT didn't sell, I said FFT is very unpopular compared to other franchises, are you gonna try and argue that FFT is popular compared to the big names in the gaming world?

I'm glad it sold the figures you looked up, that's nice, but it's still unpopular by comparison and is considered a small name compared to the big guys

like I said before, you'll know you hit a big project / idea when you get a cease & desist letter from square

There's been ONE real big project released and that was just a game balancer, not a whole new storyline or anything like that. So there's not been much that would require Square's attention. It only takes one square employee to randomly find his way here till the whole company knows. I find it VERY unlikely that they wouldn't know.

I kinda agree, Smitson.  If we could get at least one decent patch to permeate the FFT communities abroad, we might get noticed.  But I don't think anyone is near done, and it would still only be a might.

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http://www.romhacking.net/ (http://www.romhacking.net/)

Top story, Chrono Compendium got a C&D from Square.  What can be done to prevent this from happening to ffhacktics?  Move the site to China?

we MIGHT be shut down but not too likely it has happend before though to another hacking site most recently http://www.chronocompendium.com/ (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) they were working on a fan made sequel to crono trigger and were sent a cease and desist order in the form of an email

also i highly doubt that this site would be shut down if you look at the hacking scene at http://www.pokecommunity.com (http://www.pokecommunity.com) there are over 32 rom hacks of pokemon games and there still standing

Quote from: "deadlyangel91792"we MIGHT be shut down but not too likely it has happend before though to another hacking site most recently http://www.chronocompendium.com/ (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) they were working on a fan made sequel to crono trigger and were sent a cease and desist order in the form of an email

in case you havn't read any of this thread,they already know about CC

lol it IS called spam isnt it??? and i think i read the first page by accident and not third

Quoteif this entire site groups up to work on ONE MASSIVE project that gets REAL attention (and we could)

Tell me again why we don't just do this?

Everyone would rather work on their own projects.

Quote from: "Asmo X"Everyone would rather work on their own projects.

not me

but every time I made a "let's work together!" thread, I kept getting an overwhelming negative response over how "I wanna work on my own vision of things for everything FFT related sorry" and how ppl want their own personal patch only.

2 days after you created that topic the gigantic wave of lolpatches started attacking FFH.

maybe they will launch FFT 2, and there will be ffHacktics.com in the credits

Bahaha! It's a nice pipe dream, but I fear if Square did find out about us they would do what they did to the poor Chrono Compendium, I'm very wary of attracting their attention.

Quote from: "White1N"maybe they will launch FFT 2, and there will be ffHacktics.com in the credits

Wow... That's will be good for us.

Quote from: "White1N"maybe they will launch FFT 2, and there will be ffHacktics.com in the credits

Is a nice thought, but SE does not seem to play very well with others.

Most likely they will steal our ideas and include them in theirs.

You forgot having us shut down after they steal our ideas.

You forgot having Zodiac reply 'GO FUCK YOURSELF!' and create a swedish domain.

Hey guys.. I still think they're watching us

I'm certain they know, and they like it.

Quote from: "Zodiac"You forgot having Zodiac reply 'GO FUCK YOURSELF!' and create a swedish domain.

Possible Frontpage?

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We have a trailer on Youtube. EVERYBODY HIT THE DECKS!!!

Do you think SE actually CARE about the game anymore? There's loads of mods for it I've seen on YouTube, stuff like Tifa and playable Ultima, but they've never mentioned it.

In all honesty I doubt they're going to go looking for modded FFTs these days, on google, YouTube, or otherwise. War of the Lions in my opinion was:

A) Square doing one of the things they do best, i.e. milking a cash cow.

B) Seeing how the SRPG genre holds up on a handheld.

C) Making the game available to Europe.

And lag shows it was rushed mainly just to make a quick buck. How could they ignore it? Either they couldn't be bothered or had a QA department as under-funded as Bethesda.

CT is even older than FFT and SE killed all hacking projects at chronocompendium.com

They had 4 years more experience in game hacking than we did.

Quote from: "Zodiac"They had 4 years more experience in game hacking than we did.

Well... looks like we can catch up now!











... too soon? >_>

QuoteWell... looks like we can catch up now!











... too soon? >_>

*chirp*

After reading all the posts, facts, arguments, I agreed with Voldemort. What we are doing here isn't big/major enough to get SquareEnix's attention. I mean, compared with Chrono Trigger case, its different because Chrono Trigger is abit poor/normal in graphic while Chrono Trigger: Resurrection that they've made is more 3D like. Its like a whole new game (same storyline) with whole new effects. Its something like Final Fantasy VII in PS1 and Final Fantasy VII (Remake) in PS3; they have same storyline but its a whole new gaming experience for players. So, that Chrono Trigger: Resurrection that they've made is like "stealling a big project from SquareEnix and affected them, like Voldemort been saying. So that's why, shut them down.

Well, that's my opinion of course ^^ Anything that I said is wrong, please correct me.

Well, 1.3 may not be a new game. It is to a certain extent but not that much...

Mercenaries, Remix, Call and Symbols on the other hand ARE totally new and fresh gaming experiences... just wait until one of those is complete, and we start rocking video playthroughs on youtube and so on...

Yeah. Well, we'll have to wait till the projects finish and wait for SquareEnix's attention (which we hope not in return of shutting down).

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