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If two hermaphrodites have sex, is it considered gay?

yes, since they are both the same sex, it is gay

So then what would having sex with a male for them be considered? And a female, for that matter?
Would that be heterosexual?

Doesn't seem like it would to me.

Hermaphrodites don't have an opposite sex.  If they have sex with a non-Hermaphrodite, it is just "sexual", because it is neither a same sex or opposite sex situation.

Two Hermaphrodites having sex is still homosexual because they're both Hermaphrodites and thus the same sex, despite the fact they have no direct opposite sex.

Hope that clears things up for you.  ^_^

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actually since theyre both sexes, wouldnt having sex with anything but themselves be considered gay?
also, where do trannies fall in this line?(pre-op, post-op, during-op)

Aren't either Transsexuals or Hermaphrodites leaning towards one side of the fence?

I believe I truly don't give a damn fuck.





Pray continue this debate notheless.

Quote from: "VampragonLord"actually since theyre both sexes, wouldnt having sex with anything but themselves be considered gay?
also, where do trannies fall in this line?(pre-op, post-op, during-op)

Nope.  Hermaphrodites technically have different genitalia from both the male and female sexes.  While those genitalia are composed of parts / wholes from both sexes, the sum genitalia is different, therefore the sex is different.

If the transexual has a penor, it's male.  If it has a vajayjay, it's female.  if it's under the knife, it's an oversized fetus that's still forming gender since it technically doesn't have a defined set of genitals.

Got it?

Good.

And I thought I'd heard every internet debate.

Gay sex is gay sex

Quote from: "Dome"Gay sex is gay sex

leave saucegay uchiha out of this!

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Quote from: "Dome"Gay sex is gay sex

leave saucegay uchiha out of this!

I WILL AVENGE MY CLAN AND AVOID EVERY GIRL IN THE WORLD!"!"!1111!!!111

Quote from: "RavenOfRazgriz"Hermaphrodites don't have an opposite sex.  If they have sex with a non-Hermaphrodite, it is just "sexual", because it is neither a same sex or opposite sex situation.

Two Hermaphrodites having sex is still homosexual because they're both Hermaphrodites and thus the same sex, despite the fact they have no direct opposite sex.

Hope that clears things up for you.  ^_^

But it couldn't be just "sexual" Just because you're only recognising two - same or opposite - doesn't make it so!
Even I, in the post before only recognised hetero or homosexuality, but it's not so. Just as a triangle has three point, there is a third gender and a third sex!
Hetero and homo are only thought of as opposites because society hardly ever sees the third, so it doesn't exist to them.. Other than reading about it, etc, etc. (I am generalising, of course.)

To quote Hijra Mona Ahmed, "I am the third sex, not a man trying to be a woman. It is your society's problem that you only recognize two sexes."
This of course was meant toward gender identities, not the literal term. But I feel it fits here, as well.

Quote from: "Mari"But it couldn't be just "sexual" Just because you're only recognising two - same or opposite - doesn't make it so!
Even I, in the post before only recognised hetero or homosexuality, but it's not so. Just as a triangle has three point, there is a third gender and a third sex!
Hetero and homo are only thought of as opposites because society hardly ever sees the third, so it doesn't exist to them.. Other than reading about it, etc, etc. (I am generalising, of course.)

To quote Hijra Mona Ahmed, "I am the third sex, not a man trying to be a woman. It is your society's problem that you only recognize two sexes."
This of course was meant toward gender identities, not the literal term. But I feel it fits here, as well.

Assumption: Just because a new factor crops up, the other factors no longer oppose.

Just because there is a Hermaphrodite doesn't mean that males and females are no longer opposing sexes on scale.  Neither the male or female sex changed in any way when the Hermaphrodite was introduced, so if their opposition and sameness to themselves and each other remains the same.

Hermaphrodite cannot oppose either directly because it draws on both.  A hybrid at best, a human platypus at worst.  Because of this, it cannot oppose or same with either existing gender properly because it is not truly opposite or same to either as we must factor the sum of the parts involved, not pick and choose which ones we want to favor when labeling which kinds of involvement with other sexes are what.

Therefore, neither a Hermaphrodite and male or a Hermaphrodite and female can be considered heterosexual because heterosexual is defined as intercourse between opposing sexes, and Hermaphrodite is not an opposing sex to either.  It is not Homosexual either, because Hermaphrodite is also not a same sex to either.  Therefore, it is merely "Sexual" at this time as no terms apply to it.  Feel free to give it a name if you want, as there's nothing to say it can't be given its own unique name - but those intercourses with non-Hermaphrodites are neither homosexual or heterosexual, so trying to forcibly apply either name to said intercourse is only committing the error outlined in your very own quote, that you seem to be implying I committed previously.  The problem is, however, that I hadn't - but instead did the opposite, by defining Hermaphrodite as its own sex and acknowledging neither term can apply to it because it is its own unique sex.  The only thing implied in my post is that Hermaphrodite does not have its unique term (hence the entire discussion), and therefore should be referred to only as "sexual" because a lack of title is an implied recognition that a new title is required.




TL;DR: Nothing you said actually invalidated or really showed any flaw at all in what I said previously, because nothing wasn't recognized.  Merely calling it "sexual" implied the need for a new title, aka that the third point of the triangle was primed to be occupied by something.  Therefore, it was recognized because it was explicitly separated from both contemporary sexualities, just no name was given because no name currently exists.  If I were to make up a name to call it besides plain "Sexual", I'd be making up my own words without justification to back up my points, and if we all made up our own words to back up our arguments... well... the outcome of that should be obvious.




TL;DR of TL;DR:  We're likely agreeing and using different words to say the same thing since I implied exactly what I said into your post, except that I only called it "Sexual" because no specific name for any of the described actions besides Hermaphrodite on Hermaphrodite currently exist.

The point of my previous post was that you see them as opposites, and I don't.
I guess that's only an argument of opinion, if it continues.

lol arguments in the spam forum wtf

Where are the world gone.

Quote from: "Zodiac"lol arguments in the spam forum wtf

Where are the world gone.

dont worry zodiac, ill fix it

mari is a hermaphrodite, and had sex with another hermaphrodite, and was thus wandering if he was gay or not.

He is.

Quote from: "Mari"The point of my previous post was that you see them as opposites, and I don't.
I guess that's only an argument of opinion, if it continues.

One's an innie, the other's an outie, and the third just happens to have both an innie and an outie.

Even in belly-button terms, I'm not seeing the argument where male/female aren't opposite extremes begins.

Quote from: "Zodiac"lol arguments in the spam forum wtf

Where are the world gone.

Hell, etc.

Quote from: "VampragonLord"dont worry zodiac, ill fix it

mari is a hermaphrodite, and had sex with another hermaphrodite, and was thus wandering if he was gay or not.

He is.

A Hermaphrodite can't be a "he".  "He" refers to the male sex, and we've established in great detail that Hermaphrodite is neither "He" nor "She".  There's a reason to default to "it", despite how derogatory it sounds.

It's still technically gay though, yes.

i was using "he" to imply which position it was playing during their horrible horrible under age sexcapades.

Quote from: "VampragonLord"i was using "he" to imply which position it was playing during their horrible horrible under age sexcapades.

There's a problem with that, though.

If it's a very special pair of Hermaphrodites, they can both pitch and receive at the same time.

Just sayin'.  ^_^

Quote from: "VampragonLord"

Quote from: "Zodiac"lol arguments in the spam forum wtf

Where are the world gone.

dont worry zodiac, ill fix it

mari is a hermaphrodite, and had sex with another hermaphrodite, and was thus wandering if he was gay or not.

He is.

I already know I'm gay!
Zodiac is the one who brought the question to my head.

I guess he just didn't think it'd turn into this big thing.

And Raven, that's exactly my point!
You're just seeing them as opposite because of your belly button comparison..
I've been trying my hardest to explain (not in posts, just trying to think of how I could explain it) but I just can't put it into words.
Learn to be a mind reader, get into my brain and understand!
;-;

males = 1
females = 2
herms =/= 3, as  as they do not have a 3rd type of genetalia, they have pieces from 1 and pieces from 2, and are, at best, a hybrid.

Quote from: "VampragonLord"males = 1
females = 2
herms =/= 3, as  as they do not have a 3rd type of genetalia, they have pieces from 1 and pieces from 2, and are, at best, a hybrid.

1 and 2 aren't opposites.

vampragonlord once again showingshe's the cool ffh chick and ppl do not only hit on her cuz of looks

Quote from: "Mari"

Quote from: "VampragonLord"males = 1
females = 2
herms =/= 3, as  as they do not have a 3rd type of genetalia, they have pieces from 1 and pieces from 2, and are, at best, a hybrid.

1 and 2 aren't opposites.

they don't have to be, they only have to be different

male has a different organ than female, but herms don't, they just have both

Quote from: "Mari"And Raven, that's exactly my point!
You're just seeing them as opposite because of your belly button comparison..
I've been trying my hardest to explain (not in posts, just trying to think of how I could explain it) but I just can't put it into words.
Learn to be a mind reader, get into my brain and understand!
;-;

It being so hard to conceptualize may be the problem: If you can't satisfactorily defeat something as simple as a belly button analogy, it's very hard to state your case.

:p

Quote from: "VampragonLord"males = 1
females = 2
herms =/= 3, as  as they do not have a 3rd type of genetalia, they have pieces from 1 and pieces from 2, and are, at best, a hybrid.

Whether you call it 3 (a new number) or 1.5 (the average of 1 and 2), that doesn't change the fact that both 1.5 and 3 != 1 and != 2.

Whether you call it a cock or a rooster, it's still a male chicken.

This discussion it's too serious
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Quote from: "RavenOfRazgriz"

Quote from: "Mari"And Raven, that's exactly my point!
You're just seeing them as opposite because of your belly button comparison..
I've been trying my hardest to explain (not in posts, just trying to think of how I could explain it) but I just can't put it into words.
Learn to be a mind reader, get into my brain and understand!
;-;

It being so hard to conceptualize may be the problem: If you can't satisfactorily defeat something as simple as a belly button analogy, it's very hard to state your case.

Nah, the belly button thing has nothing to do with it.
But I have given up trying to explain it, it was just a joke question in the first place.

You're set in your views and I am in mine, there's no reason to argue it any further.
Just because I can't explain my view correctly, doesn't make it invalid, it just means you won't be able to see it for what it is.

The last reply, though.. Was just me being stupid, because she was just being stupid the whole thread.
It is spam, afterall.