Title: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Smash on December 23, 2009, 03:38:51 pm
Post by: Smash on December 23, 2009, 03:38:51 pm
Note: All the blame goes to Px for the misleading title.
Now then, I made some Ramza Beoulve pixel art a while ago, but in a new, more realistic style I made up at the same time.
So far, I got thsi. (Beware, WIP)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1868.png)
18 colors so far.. And all the effort I put trying to make him look recognizable with a nose.
The face even fits in the portrait space perfectly.
Now, good idea? Should I continue? C&C? Comments?
Now then, I made some Ramza Beoulve pixel art a while ago, but in a new, more realistic style I made up at the same time.
So far, I got thsi. (Beware, WIP)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1868.png)
18 colors so far.. And all the effort I put trying to make him look recognizable with a nose.
The face even fits in the portrait space perfectly.
Now, good idea? Should I continue? C&C? Comments?
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Post by: Bloodthirster0 on December 23, 2009, 03:45:20 pm
Post by: Bloodthirster0 on December 23, 2009, 03:45:20 pm
Really looking good,now he has nose and balls.
Its perfect so far,keep the good work
Its perfect so far,keep the good work
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Post by: mav on December 23, 2009, 04:18:14 pm
Post by: mav on December 23, 2009, 04:18:14 pm
Neat. I don't know how recognizable he is, but this is definitely one of the more interesting portraits/projects I've seen.
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 23, 2009, 05:03:13 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on December 23, 2009, 05:03:13 pm
Geez, that's cool. Really looking forward to this 
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Post by: DarthPaul on December 23, 2009, 05:18:45 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on December 23, 2009, 05:18:45 pm
This is a very cool project. The squintyness of the eyes took a minute to get used to, but I can't wait to see he finished product.
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Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 23, 2009, 10:32:13 pm
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 23, 2009, 10:32:13 pm
Amazing. Definitely looking forward.
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Post by: VampragonLord on December 23, 2009, 11:12:20 pm
Post by: VampragonLord on December 23, 2009, 11:12:20 pm
you should give everyone a nose...
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Post by: PX_Timefordeath on December 23, 2009, 11:56:16 pm
Post by: PX_Timefordeath on December 23, 2009, 11:56:16 pm
Nose? BLASPHEMY!
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Post by: Jon on December 24, 2009, 05:35:01 am
Post by: Jon on December 24, 2009, 05:35:01 am
Nice! If you change the nose around a bit in the portrait, it sorta looks like Cloud wearing his original clothes in FF7...keep it up!
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 24, 2009, 05:39:53 am
Post by: Kagebunji on December 24, 2009, 05:39:53 am
Cloud? Stay away from him 
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Post by: woodenbandman on December 25, 2009, 02:44:50 am
Post by: woodenbandman on December 25, 2009, 02:44:50 am
His head looks puny.
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Post by: dwib on December 25, 2009, 02:52:09 am
Post by: dwib on December 25, 2009, 02:52:09 am
lol sweet crotch
anyways, i think the only thing that needs work is the hair, it comes down a little too far in the back and too thin in the front
the turtleneck looks bomb nice work
anyways, i think the only thing that needs work is the hair, it comes down a little too far in the back and too thin in the front
the turtleneck looks bomb nice work
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Post by: Smash on December 25, 2009, 08:38:56 pm
Post by: Smash on December 25, 2009, 08:38:56 pm
Whoa
Too much party and alchohol these last nights
I should update.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1154.png)
Too much party and alchohol these last nights
I should update.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1154.png)
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Post by: mav on December 25, 2009, 08:45:11 pm
Post by: mav on December 25, 2009, 08:45:11 pm
Whoa, it looks like you're planning some seriously wicked stuff for the armor. Keep up the good work, man.
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Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 06:03:12 am
Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 06:03:12 am
Wait till you see.
*Brave up +2*
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-256.png)
I got crits in other sites.
*Brave up +2*
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-256.png)
I got crits in other sites.
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Post by: Dome on December 26, 2009, 06:54:53 am
Post by: Dome on December 26, 2009, 06:54:53 am
Very nice, now the main character will have something that no one else has...a nose!
(And a kick-ass armor)
(And a kick-ass armor)
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Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 07:05:21 am
Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 07:05:21 am
You know, I would have made Agrias and the crew if these didn't take too damn long.
I might settle for portraits, but then again I'd rather finish Bangaa and Wyvern before doing it.
..Now that I think about it, making somebody in this style, and mounting a Chocobo at the same time would be beyond epic.. But im content with just imagining it, heh..
I might settle for portraits, but then again I'd rather finish Bangaa and Wyvern before doing it.
..Now that I think about it, making somebody in this style, and mounting a Chocobo at the same time would be beyond epic.. But im content with just imagining it, heh..
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Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 26, 2009, 07:44:13 am
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 26, 2009, 07:44:13 am
Simply amazing!!!
Ooo...I definitely love to see it if you mount with Chocobo ^^
Ooo...I definitely love to see it if you mount with Chocobo ^^
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Post by: woodenbandman on December 26, 2009, 11:24:36 am
Post by: woodenbandman on December 26, 2009, 11:24:36 am
The lower part of the nose looks off to me, it looks simultaneously too big and too small. Also I think the hair's a bit too short.
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Post by: Jon on December 26, 2009, 11:55:57 am
Post by: Jon on December 26, 2009, 11:55:57 am
I like this alot. But yeah, I think his nose (bone/cartilage) is too long, maybe shift the bulb of the nose up a few pixels? Either way, that armor is brilliant! One thing though- no offense- his stance is sorta sissy...make his legs spread out more, like a combat-ready soldier looking to kill 6 other guys...and do something with the left arm (maybe a shield) or make his hand clenched into a fist, like Ramza is burning inside with rage! Maybe just maybe change them eye brows so that he looks more like a sword demon that wants to stick that (awesome looking outline-I know this will rock) sword in someone's face or stomache, other than that, really cool, keep it up!
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 26, 2009, 03:36:54 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on December 26, 2009, 03:36:54 pm
I'm just curious, is htere some certain point that you are doing this, or is this for fun?
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Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 08:26:25 pm
Post by: Smash on December 26, 2009, 08:26:25 pm
Worked on nose, shades and pallete tweaks, and other stuff.
Stance got critd 2 times now, so im also working on it.
Also, im doing this for practice, and to start my way into bigger pixel art, which is currently out of my confort zone.. (which btw offers MUCH more improvement in skill than sprites)
I chose Ramza to practice proportions, so I might do a female later to get both sexes done.
Then I'll move on to backgrounds and places, as those seem the hardest.
Oh and..
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I think Asmo mentioned this FFH problem before. Guys, we need to be harsh when it comes to critique. Softening it won't get the intended message reach us whole, or won't motivate enough.
As for me, insult all you want, as long as you have a reason to do it.
Btw, Sword type and shield suggestions welcome.
Stance got critd 2 times now, so im also working on it.
Also, im doing this for practice, and to start my way into bigger pixel art, which is currently out of my confort zone.. (which btw offers MUCH more improvement in skill than sprites)
I chose Ramza to practice proportions, so I might do a female later to get both sexes done.
Then I'll move on to backgrounds and places, as those seem the hardest.
Oh and..
Quote from: "Jon"One thing though- no offense-
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I think Asmo mentioned this FFH problem before. Guys, we need to be harsh when it comes to critique. Softening it won't get the intended message reach us whole, or won't motivate enough.
As for me, insult all you want, as long as you have a reason to do it.
Btw, Sword type and shield suggestions welcome.
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 26, 2009, 08:34:31 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on December 26, 2009, 08:34:31 pm
Nice way for practicing, if I had more time I would do the same, but I must learn how to play drums
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Post by: Kaijyuu on December 27, 2009, 12:41:00 am
Post by: Kaijyuu on December 27, 2009, 12:41:00 am
I'm a bit saddened you kept the aho since I think it makes him look childish/less serious than he actually is, but otherwise it's great.
EDIT: Yeah there's the stance issue too, but everyone else already mentioned that. Maybe a more relaxed stance? Or if you want to use a more tense stance, perhaps if he was leaning forward a bit more (preparing to charge or whatnot).
EDIT: Yeah there's the stance issue too, but everyone else already mentioned that. Maybe a more relaxed stance? Or if you want to use a more tense stance, perhaps if he was leaning forward a bit more (preparing to charge or whatnot).
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Post by: mav on December 27, 2009, 01:11:05 am
Post by: mav on December 27, 2009, 01:11:05 am
As far as his stance goes, I say just have his right leg (and foot) facing towards us. His left arm should be relaxed but natural.
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 27, 2009, 09:54:20 am
Post by: Kagebunji on December 27, 2009, 09:54:20 am
I have another question, why do topixc is "Zalbaa...g!", not "Ramzaa...!"??
About sword, I would sugest using simple Iron Sword
About sword, I would sugest using simple Iron Sword
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Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 27, 2009, 10:01:20 am
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 27, 2009, 10:01:20 am
Yeah, Iron Sword is nice. For shield, I'd say Kaiser Plate, Crystal / Platina Shield. ^^
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Post by: Jon on December 27, 2009, 10:52:31 am
Post by: Jon on December 27, 2009, 10:52:31 am
Haha iron sword?? Thats funny to me. At least make it Mythril...naw what I mean is make it either a rapier type sword or a broad sword, possibly even a saber. As for the shield, no idea, and lots of offense- I hope it aint a round shield 
very nice keep it up Smash!
very nice keep it up Smash!
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Post by: Luminar on December 27, 2009, 04:11:31 pm
Post by: Luminar on December 27, 2009, 04:11:31 pm
welcome back smash
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Post by: Smash on December 27, 2009, 04:50:20 pm
Post by: Smash on December 27, 2009, 04:50:20 pm
Quote from: "Luminar"welcome back smash :P
And Kaijyuu, I think the serious look may be best off to Ch4 Ramza, as well as more bulk and manliness.
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Post by: 454Casull on December 27, 2009, 05:20:35 pm
Post by: 454Casull on December 27, 2009, 05:20:35 pm
The spaulders shouldn't have spikes on them. If your opponent barely misses your shoulder, he's still going to hit you through your armor.
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Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 08:09:07 pm
Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 08:09:07 pm
I dont know what a spaulder is, but.. This is how the original design's suppossed to look like.
And this.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1790.png)
Going down the arms, fixed the pose.
Every section and plate of the body feels like if I was spriting 5 portraits, when it comes to practice.. Phew.
Epic skill workout this is.
And this.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1790.png)
Going down the arms, fixed the pose.
Every section and plate of the body feels like if I was spriting 5 portraits, when it comes to practice.. Phew.
Epic skill workout this is.
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Post by: Kagebunji on December 28, 2009, 08:36:16 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on December 28, 2009, 08:36:16 pm
You are amazing Smash, it almost makes me angry ;)
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Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 09:21:45 pm
Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 09:21:45 pm
Quote from: "Kagebunji"You are amazing Smash, it almost makes me angry ;)
Strange.. I don't even consider myself an expert at all, somewhat experienced, yes.. But still a long way to go.
Go to the Pixeljoint hall of fame and you'll see why.. I feel like a noob everytime I go.
I even admire some of the artists there, like Fool and Helm. Best pixel art on the internet, to date.
It also serves as motivation to get up there and surpass them someday.
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Post by: Xifanie on December 28, 2009, 09:46:33 pm
Post by: Xifanie on December 28, 2009, 09:46:33 pm
Oh cool you started the sword! Will it look a bit rusty?
You use your second darkest hair color on the armor. While not too bad on 1x it's very noticeable when zooming. I'm not sure what you should do because it would either require replacing it by existing blue or creating a new color which I suppose you wouldn't want. 3rd option would be to leave it as is of course.
Also you're using two very close colors on the face; you should just merge them. Definitely not worth the extra color and too hard to see.
The head's shape looks too squarey to me but I'll try to give you better feedback later on since I'm not too sure what to say right now.
You use your second darkest hair color on the armor. While not too bad on 1x it's very noticeable when zooming. I'm not sure what you should do because it would either require replacing it by existing blue or creating a new color which I suppose you wouldn't want. 3rd option would be to leave it as is of course.
Also you're using two very close colors on the face; you should just merge them. Definitely not worth the extra color and too hard to see.
The head's shape looks too squarey to me but I'll try to give you better feedback later on since I'm not too sure what to say right now.
Quote from: "Smash"Go to the Pixeljoint hall of fame and you'll see why.. I feel like a noob everytime I go.Do they actually make sprites that will be used in games though?
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Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 10:23:07 pm
Post by: Smash on December 28, 2009, 10:23:07 pm
Alot.
Most of what I see are fantasy mockups though. Everything's focused on the actual art rather than making games.
And for Ramza, I think it gives off a cool effect, the oranges on the armor. Thing is I've been currently practicing with different palletes and colors recently, cause it's where im lacking at most. Im getting too much critique regarding my overuse of FFT-like palletes, and it's getting really tiring to stay with one style and not move in and try new stuff.
Besides, another shade of blue would make it seem uniform and a bit boring.. Im aiming for color diversity everywhere, like my avatar for example. (Which has an insanely outrageous crazy conflicting pallete if you zoom in)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-663.png)
And yeah, I'll have to blend those two. That'd be one color space free to replace.. Either a dark red for the pants, or a white for the sword shine.
Either way, the pallete is subject to change while I go through.
Most of what I see are fantasy mockups though. Everything's focused on the actual art rather than making games.
And for Ramza, I think it gives off a cool effect, the oranges on the armor. Thing is I've been currently practicing with different palletes and colors recently, cause it's where im lacking at most. Im getting too much critique regarding my overuse of FFT-like palletes, and it's getting really tiring to stay with one style and not move in and try new stuff.
Besides, another shade of blue would make it seem uniform and a bit boring.. Im aiming for color diversity everywhere, like my avatar for example. (Which has an insanely outrageous crazy conflicting pallete if you zoom in)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-663.png)
And yeah, I'll have to blend those two. That'd be one color space free to replace.. Either a dark red for the pants, or a white for the sword shine.
Either way, the pallete is subject to change while I go through.
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Post by: SilvasRuin on December 29, 2009, 03:33:03 am
Post by: SilvasRuin on December 29, 2009, 03:33:03 am
Looks awesome. I wouldn't dare use that portrait without a full set though. It would look extremely out of place mixed in with the other style. Your shading is fantastic.
What I find odd is the length of his neck compared to the size of his head. Am I the only one who thinks it looks rather long?
What I find odd is the length of his neck compared to the size of his head. Am I the only one who thinks it looks rather long?
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Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 29, 2009, 05:26:16 am
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 29, 2009, 05:26:16 am
Quote from: "Smash"Simply amazing ^^Quote from: "Kagebunji"You are amazing Smash, it almost makes me angry ;)
Strange.. I don't even consider myself an expert at all, somewhat experienced, yes.. But still a long way to go.
Go to the Pixeljoint hall of fame and you'll see why.. I feel like a noob everytime I go.
I even admire some of the artists there, like Fool and Helm. Best pixel art on the internet, to date.
It also serves as motivation to get up there and surpass them someday.
And that I gotta see as well. Haha.
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Post by: Archael on December 29, 2009, 09:34:45 am
Post by: Archael on December 29, 2009, 09:34:45 am
what the fuck.
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Post by: mav on December 29, 2009, 11:07:39 am
Post by: mav on December 29, 2009, 11:07:39 am
Quote from: "SilvasRuin"What I find odd is the length of his neck compared to the size of his head. Am I the only one who thinks it looks rather long?I just noticed that. It looks a little long, but I'm not quite sure how nice it would look if it was shortened.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 07:49:03 pm
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 07:49:03 pm
Forum sweep must've taken my update with it..
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-2308.png)
I said the head was getting a remake too.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-2308.png)
I said the head was getting a remake too.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 29, 2009, 08:03:28 pm
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 29, 2009, 08:03:28 pm
Amazing!!! I don't know what to say other than that. Love the rusty effect ^^
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 09:06:30 pm
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 09:06:30 pm
Well, there's going to be rust for crapload of plates next, but I first need to know something.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-707.png)
Im leaning towards down left. Down right is the original above before remake.
POLL.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-707.png)
Im leaning towards down left. Down right is the original above before remake.
POLL.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Xifanie on December 29, 2009, 09:17:29 pm
Post by: Xifanie on December 29, 2009, 09:17:29 pm
Honestly bottom right. The nose looks way too flat on the other 3.
Else the shading on the bottom left one is good but could use a bit more work. His face looks a bit too "scratched" because of the shading.
Else the shading on the bottom left one is good but could use a bit more work. His face looks a bit too "scratched" because of the shading.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Cheetah on December 29, 2009, 09:31:52 pm
Post by: Cheetah on December 29, 2009, 09:31:52 pm
Your proportions as a whole are off. It is hard for me to tell what is up but the first thing you need to do is move the chest plate up to his chest. Right now it is covering his stomach more than anything, it should be all the way up so that the top of the plate is essentially level with the top of his shoulders (not counting the spikes). I think that will reveal how you need to bring his crotch up as well and adjust his arms.
I'm not sure about the face yet...could you do a version without a nose just to satiate my curiosity?
I'm not sure about the face yet...could you do a version without a nose just to satiate my curiosity?
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 11:35:46 pm
Post by: Smash on December 29, 2009, 11:35:46 pm
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/xavier2000/PhotobucketUpld-1388.png)
Oh god look at 2 asdfasdfafaffsa aliens.
3 seems pretty close to FFT. :|
I'll stretch the chestplate a bit up btw. It was hard to determine where to put it because of the unreal proportions the original Ramza art had.
Oh god look at 2 asdfasdfafaffsa aliens.
3 seems pretty close to FFT. :|
I'll stretch the chestplate a bit up btw. It was hard to determine where to put it because of the unreal proportions the original Ramza art had.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 30, 2009, 12:21:33 am
Post by: jimmyjw88 on December 30, 2009, 12:21:33 am
For the face, I kinda prefer the lefts' one, bottom left.
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: mav on December 30, 2009, 12:08:09 pm
Post by: mav on December 30, 2009, 12:08:09 pm
Quote from: "Smash"To me, they seem perfectly fine.I agree...and when you have the body outlined like that, it's really hard to find and problems, for me at least.
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Post by: Cheetah on December 30, 2009, 08:28:23 pm
Post by: Cheetah on December 30, 2009, 08:28:23 pm
Haha thank you for doing the nose-less, I enjoyed it. I'm glad you are going to try stretching up the chest plate, hopefully it will mend my concerns. This is looking crazy good.
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Post by: Jon on December 31, 2009, 01:04:59 pm
Post by: Jon on December 31, 2009, 01:04:59 pm
I really like it how it is. I can understand what Cheetah means, this armor is a little bit like what they wear in Fire Emblem (Cavaliers) except of course for the spikes on the shoulder-pauldren armor pieces. In FE, I believe (not sure though) that the body-armor on say Sain or Kent is covering their chest fully and almost touching their neck. I think that Sain and Kent's stomach is almost entirely exposed, except for a narrow piece of armor going down the middle which reaches about to where their belt buckle is. Yours is visually very impressive, but I must agree to raise the central roundish armor piece up (maybe where the neck armor piece starts?) Even if you don't, Ramza looks great. I have only one small question: how are the shoulder pieces of armor actually staying on his shoulders? I mean if this was reality, are they sort of strapped on or part of the central body armor? Keep up the awe-inspiring work Smash!
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Post by: Asmo X on January 11, 2010, 09:35:42 am
Post by: Asmo X on January 11, 2010, 09:35:42 am
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the proportions. And it's a matter of personal preference whether or not the plate should be higher or lower. I kind of like it where it is
Title: Re: ZALBAAAAAAAAAAAGGG!
Post by: SilvasRuin on January 11, 2010, 12:41:22 pm
Post by: SilvasRuin on January 11, 2010, 12:41:22 pm
My personal preference would be that the plate reaches up to the base of his neck.