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Apparenly he's the 151st pokemon. I really forget the sequence, it's been eons since I even messed with it. But I'm sure something at gamefaqs can tell you how to get mew. Really he's more of a novelty -- relative to upper-teir pokeman like Scyther and Dragonite he blows. Hell, I'd prefer that awesome ghost type (Gragnar?) over him.
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Title: This topic is now about competitive pokemon battles
Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:35:18 am
Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:35:18 am
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Quote@VoldemortN7What do you think?
Gamefa(g)s is good only for trollz and flame war now
Also non-sense and Completeboy are fine to read after all
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Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 01:57:41 am
Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 01:57:41 am
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Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on November 18, 2009, 02:20:53 am
Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on November 18, 2009, 02:20:53 am
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Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 09:18:47 am
Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 09:18:47 am
shut up mental gear
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Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 11:42:06 am
Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 11:42:06 am
Quote from: "philsov"shut up mental gearWTF OW U GOT MEW=!=??
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Post by: Samuraiblackbelt on November 18, 2009, 12:54:20 pm
Post by: Samuraiblackbelt on November 18, 2009, 12:54:20 pm
fa(g)s is considered sensor bypass I'm pretty sure
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Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 01:01:37 pm
Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 01:01:37 pm
Quote from: "Dome"Quote from: "philsov"shut up mental gearWTF OW U GOT MEW=!=??
Apparenly he's the 151st pokemon. I really forget the sequence, it's been eons since I even messed with it. But I'm sure something at gamefaqs can tell you how to get mew. Really he's more of a novelty -- relative to upper-teir pokeman like Scyther and Dragonite he blows. Hell, I'd prefer that awesome ghost type (Gragnar?) over him.
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Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:03:18 pm
Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:03:18 pm
Quote from: "philsov"YEahzr, Gengatrz itsc awesomeQuote from: "Dome"Quote from: "philsov"shut up mental gearWTF OW U GOT MEW=!=??
Apparenly he's the 151st pokemon. I really forget the sequence, it's been eons since I even messed with it. But I'm sure something at gamefaqs can tell you how to get mew. Really he's more of a novelty -- relative to upper-teir pokeman like Scyther and Dragonite he blows. Hell, I'd prefer that awesome ghost type (Gragnar?) over him.
Also odzitsh is kood
Quote from: "Samuraiblackbelt"fa(g)s is considered sensor bypass I'm pretty sureFuck this shit i'm off fuckthemalLLLLLLLLLL!!||||||||||||||||||||||||\
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Post by: SilvasRuin on November 18, 2009, 01:08:24 pm
Post by: SilvasRuin on November 18, 2009, 01:08:24 pm
Even if you doesn't afraid of anything, you should pick your fights intelligently.
Subtlety, you has none.
Subtlety, you has none.
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Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:31:53 pm
Post by: Dome on November 18, 2009, 01:31:53 pm
If I doesn't afraid of anything, I doesn't afraid of what I cannot win
Subtlety, I doesn't afraid of anything
Subtlety, I doesn't afraid of anything
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Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 10:12:34 pm
Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 10:12:34 pm
To get Mew, you have to use the glitch involving the START menu and a Gambler on the route to the right of Saffron City. Basically what the game allows you to do is open the START menu when the gambler sees you, just before the battle, creating a glitch on the tile to the left of Lavender Town. This encounter is determined by which trainer you fight before that incident, so to get Mew you need to fight the Youngster who has a Slowpoke on the route just after Nugget Bridge, before Bill's Cottage.
First, battle him and win, then fly over to Saffron and challenge the Gambler. When the exclamation mark comes up over his head, press START. This will open up the menu, you must fly over to Lavender Town ASAP. Once you're there, move down towards the left exit. The menu will pop up before you get there, don't worry about it, just close it and continue walking. Once you step on that tile at the exit you will enter a battle with a level 7 Mew.
And Dome, you aren't funny at all.
First, battle him and win, then fly over to Saffron and challenge the Gambler. When the exclamation mark comes up over his head, press START. This will open up the menu, you must fly over to Lavender Town ASAP. Once you're there, move down towards the left exit. The menu will pop up before you get there, don't worry about it, just close it and continue walking. Once you step on that tile at the exit you will enter a battle with a level 7 Mew.
And Dome, you aren't funny at all.
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Post by: FFMaster on November 18, 2009, 10:16:09 pm
Post by: FFMaster on November 18, 2009, 10:16:09 pm
Mew is pretty strong support. Swords Dance + Baton Pass, anyone?
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Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 10:47:47 pm
Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 10:47:47 pm
Swords Dance + Baton Pass + Dual Screen anyone?
Man, if pokemon had unlimited moveslots...
Man, if pokemon had unlimited moveslots...
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Post by: Archael on November 18, 2009, 10:50:18 pm
Post by: Archael on November 18, 2009, 10:50:18 pm
wait, what>?
I played original Pokemans and don't remember any of those attacks
I played original Pokemans and don't remember any of those attacks
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Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 10:55:47 pm
Post by: philsov on November 18, 2009, 10:55:47 pm
Sword Dance certainly was. All those other ones came in later, says google.
I loved my Scyther! Mirror Image + Sand Attack + Sword Dance was a horrible combo.
I loved my Scyther! Mirror Image + Sand Attack + Sword Dance was a horrible combo.
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Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 11:03:23 pm
Post by: Aquilae on November 18, 2009, 11:03:23 pm
It's not Mirror Image but Double Team lol. Sandstorm boosts evasion of certain pokemon now, so the evasion hax is much more potent.
Garchomp @ Brightpowder
Sand Veil
Jolly, 252 Speed / 252 Attack / 6 HP
Outrage
Swords Dance
Substitute
Double Team
+ Tyranitar support
^_^
Garchomp @ Brightpowder
Sand Veil
Jolly, 252 Speed / 252 Attack / 6 HP
Outrage
Swords Dance
Substitute
Double Team
+ Tyranitar support
^_^
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Post by: Dome on November 19, 2009, 01:27:15 am
Post by: Dome on November 19, 2009, 01:27:15 am
I zee someone knows pokemon game xD
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/)
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/)
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Post by: FFMaster on November 19, 2009, 04:23:04 am
Post by: FFMaster on November 19, 2009, 04:23:04 am
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Sand Veil
Adamant
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 6 HP
Swords Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Remember this back then Aquilae? Ah, great times reading those debates.
And I see Dome knows about Smogon as well.
Sand Veil
Adamant
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 6 HP
Swords Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Remember this back then Aquilae? Ah, great times reading those debates.
And I see Dome knows about Smogon as well.
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Post by: Aquilae on November 19, 2009, 06:15:21 am
Post by: Aquilae on November 19, 2009, 06:15:21 am
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Jolly, 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Earthquake
Outrage
Fire Blast
Toxic
^ My favorite set. If Garchomp ever gets voted OU again (no chance, just look at that 79.2% usage on suspect), it either has to contend with Latias LO Draco Meteor screwing it up (you need SpD EVs to survive with a Haban Berry) or the Ice Sharders / CS Ice Beamers, which also necessitates Yache Berry. CS Chomp is one of the best revenge-killers and has quite a few switchins.
Also, BulkyChomp!
Garchomp @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def Impish (can't remember the EV spread, it ran attack and speed iirc)
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Toxic
>>> metagame ^_^
Jolly, 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Earthquake
Outrage
Fire Blast
Toxic
^ My favorite set. If Garchomp ever gets voted OU again (no chance, just look at that 79.2% usage on suspect), it either has to contend with Latias LO Draco Meteor screwing it up (you need SpD EVs to survive with a Haban Berry) or the Ice Sharders / CS Ice Beamers, which also necessitates Yache Berry. CS Chomp is one of the best revenge-killers and has quite a few switchins.
Also, BulkyChomp!
Garchomp @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def Impish (can't remember the EV spread, it ran attack and speed iirc)
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Toxic
>>> metagame ^_^
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Post by: Dome on November 19, 2009, 07:00:04 pm
Post by: Dome on November 19, 2009, 07:00:04 pm
Garchomp should be uber only...
Almost nothing can stop him 1vs1
Earthquake+Dragon fang+fire fang = Nothing is safe
Put him in a permanent sand storm with the help of Tyrannitar or the sand hippo, and then give him the berry that halves the ice damage...nothing can 1 shot you and you uberpown
P.s: I got a legit mewtwo with the max special attack possible xD 447...Lulz
Almost nothing can stop him 1vs1
Earthquake+Dragon fang+fire fang = Nothing is safe
Put him in a permanent sand storm with the help of Tyrannitar or the sand hippo, and then give him the berry that halves the ice damage...nothing can 1 shot you and you uberpown
P.s: I got a legit mewtwo with the max special attack possible xD 447...Lulz
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Post by: Aquilae on November 19, 2009, 07:53:04 pm
Post by: Aquilae on November 19, 2009, 07:53:04 pm
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 02:01:28 am
Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 02:01:28 am
None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp)
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp)
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Post by: Aquilae on November 20, 2009, 05:41:31 am
Post by: Aquilae on November 20, 2009, 05:41:31 am
>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 07:15:24 am
Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 07:15:24 am
Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Post by: Kaijyuu on November 20, 2009, 09:16:28 am
Post by: Kaijyuu on November 20, 2009, 09:16:28 am
Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 09:31:57 am
Post by: Dome on November 20, 2009, 09:31:57 am
This topic is now about competitive pokemon battles!
Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.Thanks Kaijyuu, at least you understand
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Post by: Dome on December 17, 2009, 05:22:36 am
Post by: Dome on December 17, 2009, 05:22:36 am
I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Post by: Aquilae on December 17, 2009, 05:39:21 am
Post by: Aquilae on December 17, 2009, 05:39:21 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Post by: Dome on December 17, 2009, 05:51:57 am
Post by: Dome on December 17, 2009, 05:51:57 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/517/abomasnow.png)
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5069/walrein.png)
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3226/skarmory.png)
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5357/dusknoir.png)
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/444/nuovoimmaginebitmape.png)
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
Ok, let's see to start
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/517/abomasnow.png)
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5069/walrein.png)
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3226/skarmory.png)
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5357/dusknoir.png)
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/444/nuovoimmaginebitmape.png)
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Post by: Smitson on December 20, 2009, 12:32:52 am
Post by: Smitson on December 20, 2009, 12:32:52 am
Lol Domes team is weak.
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That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:53 am
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:22 am
I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:53 am
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:41 am
>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Kaijyuu (Posts: 414) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:16 pm
Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:22 am
I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:53 am
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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I'd like to build a Hail team
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Stallrein
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And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
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That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:53 am
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:22 am
I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
Jolteon - HP Ice!
Ninjask - lol
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
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>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:53 am
That is a pretty ridiculous assumption to make. Lots of pokemon in the 105+ speed group can consistently stop Garchomp. Furthermore, with the implementation of Latias as OU, Garchomp either has to run Haban or Yache, both opening it up to kills from Ice Shard / Ice Beam and Latias respectively. Also, Scizor Bullet Punch does like 60-70%, making Garchomp significantly easier to revenge-kill.
Infernape - NP Ape runs HP Ice, CC would put a big dent into it otherwise, moreso with the SD version. BulkyApe fails.
Gengar - LO Shadow Ball doesn't KO but does 70-80% IIRC, CS Gars also run HP Ice to stop DDMence / DDNite so it also helps against Garchomp
Latias - LO Dragon Pulse OHKOs non-Haban Chomps, Dragon Pulse does like 80-90% without LO. LO Draco Meteor OHKOs all Garchomps unless they're running SpD EVs and a Haban Berry
Starmie - Almost every Starmie runs Ice Beam unless they're a Reflect version, and LO Star hits it very hard with Hydro Pump
Azelf - Has to rely on its' STAB Psychic to put a dent into it, can't hurt it much otherwise but it can Explode on it
Weavile - ...no comment
Aerodactyl - Garchomp is going to switch into this guy and not the other way round since he can't do anything significant
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None of them is so treatening as Garchomp IMHO
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp)
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:41 am
>_>
It doesn't matter whether any of them are as threatening as Garchomp. The point is Garchomp is not the unbeatable pokemon you made it out to be. It can't defend against revenge-kills, especially with Scizor and Latias running around. Salamence with Outrage in the DP metagame would have been borderline broken too, smashing Blissey for like 60% (Bold) - 70% (Calm), if not for Latias and Scizor ruining the party. HG / SS has some significant differences with the DP metagame, so Garchomp has to be reconsidered and not treated like ITS UBER BANBANBAN
Also, I've read all of the smogon OU analyses already, I've also been keeping tabs on Garchomp's status during the discussion period and the eventual banning on the forums. I don't need a link to that.
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Garchomp is uber, and his trait is uberpowa xD
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Dome's logic so far is infallible. Can't say the same for Aquilae.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:22 am
I'd like to build a Hail team
Someone can give me some hint?
Stallrein
Abomasnow
And?
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Aquilae (Posts: 320) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am
Stallrein is a staple, Abomasnow should be offensive since it fails at anything else. Choice Scarf / Choice Band is a good choice, but outside of Stallrein hail teams generally suck.
Still, you should have it revolve around Stallrein, throw in a Taunt Skarm with Spikes / Taunt / Brave Bird / Roost which will turn lots of walls into setup fodder. For TSpikes you could use either Nidoqueen or defensive Roserade, the former able to stop Luke in a pinch and wall Heracross, the latter stopping quite a few special threats. I'd go for defensive Roserade, I forgot the spread but max / max +SDef nature should do. Rotom-H is literally the best spin blocker, so throw in a Scarfer, @Scarf Timid Max SpA / SpD, TB / Overheat / Trick / Shadow Ball. Tar is a problem especially the mixed sets, so throw in a Hariyama as a bulky go-to guy, with Rest / STalk / WW / Force Palm to spread the spikes love. You could also use Hitmontop, it's much frailer but can spin and still stops Tar.
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Dome (Posts: 843) Reply with quote View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 am
Thanks for the suggestions Aquilae!
Ok, let's see to start
Abomasnow, SubSeeder
Item: Lumberry 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Relaxed
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Blizzard
~ Protect
This is the lead of the team, his role is to bring the permanent hail and to stall with leech seed+substitute, using protect to score some free heal and blizzard to kill grass type that are immune to Leech seed
Walrein, Stallrein
Item: Leftovers 220 HP / 240 Def / 48 Spe Bold
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Surf
Stallrein, his role is to stall as much as he can in order to allow the hail to rack up damage
Skarmory, Physical wall, spiker and taunter
Item: Shed shell
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Brave Bird
~ Roost
His role is to stop Physical attacks, set up entry hazards and taunt to make walls almost useless, shed shell is used to escape Magnezone that can easily set up on this and kill the steel bird
Dusknoir, spin blocker and tank
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def Impish
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split
~ Earthquake
~ ThunderPunch
Harihama, Bulky man and pseudo-hazer
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish
~ Rest
~ STalk
~ Whirlwhind
~ Force Palm
This is the "beta" of the team
First of all, I dont want to remove Dusknoir, because he is one of my favourite pokemon ever, even if rotom is better
I still have to decide the ev/nature of Skarmory, the item for Dusknoir, the item for harihama and 1 more pokemon to add (Maybe a wisher like blissey?)
Feel free to give any suggestion you want
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Lol Domes team is weak.
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Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 04:12:03 am
Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 04:12:03 am
...lolpenis
Quote from: "Smitson"Lol Domes team is weak.Then, tell how to improve or GTFO bitch
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Post by: Kaijyuu on December 20, 2009, 05:34:40 am
Post by: Kaijyuu on December 20, 2009, 05:34:40 am
Replace them all with pikachus.
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Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 05:40:40 am
Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 05:40:40 am
Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Replace them all with pikachus.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7UXaHe5P8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7UXaHe5P8)
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Post by: Aquilae on December 20, 2009, 10:23:52 am
Post by: Aquilae on December 20, 2009, 10:23:52 am
5 pokemon yo.
Also, Dusknoir sucks.
Also, Dusknoir sucks.
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Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 01:36:46 pm
Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 01:36:46 pm
Quote from: "Aquilae"Also, Dusknoir sucks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7UXaHe5P8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7UXaHe5P8)
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Post by: Archael on December 20, 2009, 02:49:39 pm
Post by: Archael on December 20, 2009, 02:49:39 pm
I dont know anything about competitive pokemon
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Post by: Smitson on December 20, 2009, 04:37:28 pm
Post by: Smitson on December 20, 2009, 04:37:28 pm
Quote from: "Dome"...lolpenisQuote from: "Smitson"Lol Domes team is weak.Then, tell how to improve or GTFO bitch
Fire rapes you.
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Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 05:07:00 pm
Post by: Dome on December 20, 2009, 05:07:00 pm
Fire is way too generic, it hits super effectively only 2 of my pokemon
Explain more
Explain more
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Post by: Kaijyuu on December 21, 2009, 12:25:37 am
Post by: Kaijyuu on December 21, 2009, 12:25:37 am
Ok ok, 5 pikachus and 1 blastoise to counter the previously mentioned fire.
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Post by: Dome on December 21, 2009, 04:00:22 am
Post by: Dome on December 21, 2009, 04:00:22 am
Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Ok ok, 5 pikachus and 1 blastoise to counter the previously mentioned fire.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-6XCYwcNdE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-6XCYwcNdE)