Final Fantasy Hacktics

Perception is up to the reader, as this is the SPAM section.

Let me start:
- Dome, you're dumb, but at least you stopped using retarded smilies... that took a ban threat though.
- Asmo stop complaining about the god filter. Would you really want to have xtians invade the forums?
- Narutards, just fucking die already. Naruto is just really fucking gay and stupid and I'd rather have any sprites made from ANYTHING but that.
- Voldemort and Zalge you are wusses. Emotionally borkenered because of girls? oh noes.
- Seushiro, your avatar sucks. The eye animation doesn't make it look cool, it's just retarded.
- Welcome back gojoe!

Zodiac, you like the banhammer too much.
FFH users, why are you so fucking happy when Zodiac uses the ? You just squirt with pleasure.
Voldemort, stop being and asshole and pretending not to be.
Asmo, you CAN be wrong, be now you showed me you can argue properly, so I am kinda lame.
Lasting_Dawn, I actually do often feel sorry for you because we are so dumb.
Seushiro, actually, it does make it better.
Dome, you do earn your title.
Bp, you're a quitter.
FFMaster, you have no fucking life since you killed big K.

SPAM IS ALL ABOUT HATE

<3 u 2

PS: Go back woodcutting you fucking quebecer.

Kingdom Hearts sucks
FF7 is decent
Call of Duty is overrated
Activision stole Microsoft's 'money-grabbing whores' title.
The word filter gets in the way at times.
Most PS3 owners that slag off games like WET and Brutal Legend are graphics whores who think a game needs 5-minute reload animations to be good.
Bamco are ruining Soul Calibur
Sony are lazy when it comes to online

Marathon is the best game ever made, there is no room for argumentation, it's a scientific truth.
Sex is overrated, i only got married so i can finish sex and watch star trek the next generation.
The latest console that i bought was an intellivision in 1982, everything after that was pure balls.
I have a Fiat Panda that i don't drive because i like to sleep in my way to the office, the bus is more comfortable.
The only people that play The Sims are retarded women with polycystic uterus that never reached an orgasm.
I'm anti-nationalist, anti-government, anti-religion, anti-laws and i hate every single one of you.
I'm aware that i'm a bitter old man, but i still have all my hair and my dick is still working.
In case that my hair fall or my dick fail, i'll gladly kill myself in a dark ritual to bring Cthulhu back to life.
But i still think that Swiss Chocolate Häagen-Dazs is the reason why it's worth to living in the real world.
Of course... forgot those 4chan's camwhores! That always make my day jollier and fulfilling.

The latest console that i bought was an intellivision in 1982, everything after that was pure balls.

Then how'd you learn of and play FFT?

emulator

Kingdom Hearts was always a game I found contemptible. I am typing this while wearing a custom Org 13 Jacket.
Halo ODST proved that the series could have a little fun if you're not playing as a superhuman fuck.
When my favorite manga ended I shed a tear...dammit.
Naruto spriters...that show sucked after volume 2 of the manga.
On that note, why does everyone I know love One Peice. It's the biggest peice of crap I've ever seen. And you guys know how tolerant I am.

Dome, I may be mean, irritable, and unfair to you but I do like you...
Lasting Dawn, I have a feeling I irritate you...sorry bout that.
Seushiro, Kaze did it first and right.
MagiTek, Fuck you.
Welcome back GoJoe.

Why is Kingdom Hearts addicting?!
I hate most Disney movies.
Mostly Aladdin.

Are 'addicting' and 'addictive' two entirely different words? Personally I've played very few games worse than KH1.

-It's really great FFH doesn't have official rules. I can get use to St. Ajora.
-I'm starting to hate the connection between NARUTO and FFT, too
-Seu, don't let Zodiac fool ya!
-Sir LD, post the next demo!!

Quote- Voldemort and Zalge you are wusses. Emotionally borkenered because of girls? oh noes.

sounds about right

I'll man up

I pretty much always say what's on my mind, bitches.

@Dome and Zodiac:

(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/qc-memes.gif)

NEW SIG AND AVATAR.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL CAPS GOD.

Forgot this.

LOL XBOX NOT GETTING MGS4 CRY SUM MOAR

Quote from: "Zodiac"- Dome, you're dumb, but at least you stopped using retarded smilies... that took a ban threat though

Retarded smilies...like those? ^_^ ;P :'-( xD

Quote from: "Kokojo"Dome, you do earn your title.

YESH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmb0F00YPE&NR=1)

Quote from: "darthpaul"Dome, I may be mean, irritable, and unfair to you but I do like you...

I love you too darth

Quote from: "philsov"@Dome and Zodiac:
NEW SIG AND AVATAR.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL CAPS St. Ajora.

NOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SX3JnUhTaE)

- Asmo, sometimes you crit in such a way that it's really too much aggression to handle, but now I got used to it =/
- Hey guys get someone who can decode music so we can start making / introducing new one to FFT already!!!!
- Seu, I like your avatar, don't mind them.
- Dome, you have a green name, hence you're awesome.
- I have like 500+ posts and I didn't contribute anything to the site except my opinion T_T
- Word filters are annoying, always, no matter the word.
- I wasn't in the page at the time, but we need ranks back! Vets, you know what I mean.

-Zodiac, enough with the generic rage at Christians. It makes you look like an emotional teenager trying to rebel against his parents.
-Remember when Arch wrote up an apology to various local boneheads about a month ago? Pretty lame dude.
-Zodiac should only hand out forum sections to legitimate community projects. Handing out a forum section for FFT: Complete was the first good move on this front for ages.
-CoK fucking sucks
-If you like anime you are retarded
-Stop bitching about my criticism you crybaby faggots

Quote from: "Kokojo"Lasting_Dawn, I actually do often feel sorry for you because we are so dumb.

Haha, fully agree with you there, only idiots such as ourselves would underestimate their abilities, and proclaim to attempt to create a whole new FFT, haha! But do I regret it? Not one bit. As of now the Mercenaries forum allows a place for people to work on myriad of different projects, my job is just to implement these projects into the game. I can only hope we both don't disappoint the people that look forward to playing our finished projects.

Quote from: "Sephirot24"- Dome, you have a green name, hence you're awesome

I dont even know why I actually have a green name, but it's nice to have
LOL

Quote from: "Asmo X"If you like anime you are retarded

IM THE FIRST OF THE RETARDS AND I DOESNT AFRAID!

Quote from: "Asmo X"Stop bitching about my criticism you crybaby faggots

I like you criticism, you make me laugh lot of times

Quote from: "Zodiac"- Narutards, just fucking die already. Naruto is just really fucking gay and stupid and I'd rather have any sprites made from ANYTHING but that.

=)

Quote from: "Kokojo"FFMaster, you have no fucking life since you killed big K.

=(

whats narutosasuke, why does he post gay pics and post in only one thread, what's with his avi?...

-Fuck Christians. Fuck Social atheists. Both of these bastards need to realize all they do is whine and bitch about the other side and never make good on what their opponents don't do. (according to them)

-Voldemort, I think you have a wonderful mind for FFT, and most of the time are a chill guy, but some times you troll a bit to fast and loose, man. =/

-Zodiac, hate solves nothing. Honestly. Think christians are idiots all you want. (most are) But the moments you hate them for ignorance instead of professing the will and tenacity to convince them or convert them to your way of thinking, you become part of the problem and come off as a whiny bitch. Other than that you are a cool  guy. (MAYBE HELP ME USE CHAT EVER AGAIN?)
-Kudos to LD in general. Arch and Cheetah as well. (Maybe Zozma)
-Finally, to all of the psuedo-philosophers  we have here (myself included) All man can present is his own perceptions and opinions. We can never find absolute truths. So dont prentend you are absolutely right ever. Its just a dick move.

I... I don't like pie.

???

Redux just get your own irc client...XChat, mIRC, Chatzilla (firefox add-on), etc.
and join us on irc.esper.net channel #ffh
It's right under the Chat link on the main site.

Zodiac, Voldemort, stop ramming your opinions down everyone's throat. This isn't a GFAQs system board. I don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect. I don't dislike atheists, just the bigoted ones with a king complex like you two.

(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/Dreamcastor/Funny%20Stuff/d2d41c26.gif)

^_^

...'corn'?

...'porn'?

PICS NAO

Quote-If you like anime you are retarded

People who lump all anime into one category are either too dumb to know better or too stubborn and blockheaded to care.  (I suspect the latter.)

-Silvasruin sucks because he fails to actually contribute anything but opinions.
-LastingDawn's modesty occasionally reaches intensities in which it is just obnoxious.  Modesty is a virtue, but you take it like it's your favorite addictive drug.
-If for no other reason, Asmo should be respected for his honesty (his occasional sarcasm shouldn't count against this).
-People who steal credit for things they didn't do on the internet are bafflingly stupid and pathetic.  Plagiarism to pass a class at least has a purpose behind it.  What the hell does one actually gain from lying on the internet?
-narutosasuke... his avatar is just ew.  I do not want to see a so-called ninja known for wearing bright orange on stealth missions leering at me while he depants himself.

Quote from: "Redux"-Finally, to all of the psuedo-philosophers  we have here (myself included) All man can present is his own perceptions and opinions. We can never find absolute truths. So dont prentend you are absolutely right ever. Its just a dick move.

Everybody can presente their perceptions
but only i'm right
i never fail

when the army built me they used pieces of great deceased heroes, like sagan's brain, heracles body, fabio's hair and ron jeremy's boner... all dead

but don't worry, i don't mind sharing the world with failed species like yourselves

for now...

Ron Jeremy's boner? Weak. I got Lord Byron's.

Quote from: "AngrySurprisedFace"I... I don't like pie.

YOU... YOU BASTERD!!!... anyway....


-Zodiac: You scare me, and I think you like it that way.
-LastingDawn: You are one the most preductive people on the site.
-Asmo: I may not like you that much, I may not agree with you, but I respect your harsh opinions and statements, and I think you are a needed part of the community.
-SentinalBlade: You are one of the best people on the site, but have some of the worst luck ever.
-Gojoe: I miss the BLAAAAAARG!!!!!
-I hate when I have bad grammer or spelling
-DarthPaul: Your huge post cont makes me feel hugely useless because I've had an acount a month longer than you...
-We use elipses to much...
-Eternal: Your a pretty cool guy, despite being a Aries...
-I have a strangly high amount of nicknames on chat, to list: aq1, AAAH!, Awikione, and Akiwione I believe.
-The word filter doesn't bother me except when it ruins goddamn
-Disney sequals suck
-I occationaly feal useless be cause of my lack productivity on the site
-Dome: no comment
-Philsov: You need another project after easytype is done.
-Peircwise: More things that involve commentary please.

That's all comes to mind.

Quote-Philsov: You need another project after easytype is done.

Already in the works friend .  Just wanted a medium-difficulty patch as the base.

Quote-DarthPaul: Your huge post cont makes me feel hugely useless because I've had an acount a month longer than you...

Just a lot of posts saying what's on my mind at the time. Not as much useful info as I'd like to believe.

Why is no one making interresing comments on me ?

Quote from: "Kokojo"Why is no one making interresing comments on me ?

Because I'm better than you
You must die! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlMpCNaOrQ)

Quote from: "Kokojo"Why is no one making interresing comments on me ?

If anyone should be complaining about a lack of interesting comments about themselves, it is I. Not that I'm surprised.

LOL @ a Spam thread being a dumping ground for everyone's grievances though.

But for the sake of saying that I've contributed more than just sardonic remarks and popcorn pics, I'll admit that I gave up my playthrough of (PSP) 1.3 months ago for reasons I'll not go into here. I don't even know where the save file for it is at (or if I even have it, since I lost my 4GB memory stick in July ). Maybe it's on one of my USB flash drives.

Too many religious debates flare up around here. But I've no interest in arguing about theology, so that's why I don't care for them.

Alright here goes.

-Kokojo, *holds out pisces*
-Dominic NY18, I don't really know you but you have solid opinions and you are a damn good NP mod.

wait... was that a "warm and friendly" comment?

darthpaul... you're a pussy

No, pussies are the people who have had a Disney movie of all things scar them for life.  Seriously, 20 year olds that still can't bear to watch a Disney movie?  How could someone that timid even survive that many years without a heart attack?

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"Zodiac, Voldemort, stop ramming your opinions down everyone's throat. This isn't a GFAQs system board. I don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect. I don't dislike atheists, just the bigoted ones with a king complex like you two.

your faith is unfounded and delusional

atheism isn't an opinion, it is what everyone is born as (yourself included), it is the default lack of any religious beliefs that we have as animals - before they ram religious / cultural fairy tales down YOUR throat since you were young

your opinion is the only one that could possibly be enforced on anyone else, because it is the one that is presenting positive claims that g0d(s) exist, without any evidence to back them up

QuoteI don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect.

and I don't see how showing respect for unfounded belief systems has anything to do with intelligence

TROLL WAR IS RAMPAGING!!!
REPENT YOUR SINS NOW, BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL BE DEAD SOON!!!!

Quoteatheism isn't an opinion

Yes, but secular humanism is.  

Devil's advocate... away!

Quote from: "Voldemort"

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"Zodiac, Voldemort, stop ramming your opinions down everyone's throat. This isn't a GFAQs system board. I don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect. I don't dislike atheists, just the bigoted ones with a king complex like you two.

your faith is unfounded and delusional

atheism isn't an opinion, it is what everyone is born as (yourself included), it is the default lack of any religious beliefs that we have as animals - before they ram religious / cultural fairy tales down YOUR throat since you were young

your opinion is the only one that could possibly be enforced on anyone else, because it is the one that is presenting positive claims that g0d(s) exist, without any evidence to back them up

QuoteI don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect.

and I don't see how showing respect for unfounded belief systems has anything to do with intelligence

I think by respect he means that having a lolpatch/comic based on death of Christians/Catholics/etc. isn't respecting others on this site who are Christian/Catholic/etc., and enjoy being here (I personally don't care, I don't really care about religion tbh).

Higher beings exist solely for the purpose of allowing people to unlock their potential during a despair-filled hardship, create a rubric of morals and a reason for them to be followed (kind of like the law!), and answer the question of life-after-death in a way that gives people reason to not completely throw all the shit in their toilet at the nearest ceiling fan and give them a "reason" to exist.  Honestly, if there is a higher being, s/he won't give two good fucks what you think s/he's identity is unless s/he is a self-righteous bigot-asshole.  So unless you worship self-righteous bigot-assholes, there's no reason to jam your faith down other people's throats. Especially since above that, said higher being also probably cares more for what somebody does more than random lolblindfaith all over the place.

This leads me to think anyone who tries to cram their faith down someone's throat is a fucking idiot.

However, because of this, it leads me to equally believe anyone who tries to cram their lack of faith down someone's throat like some kind of modern-era crusader is also a fucking idiot.  The people who cram their faith down people's throats obviously won't give a damn, and the ones who aren't doing that probably have somewhat hybrid beliefs between faith and science, or are at least logical enough to see the views of the atheist side of things and not act like some kind of damned missionaries.

Therefore.

The conclusion is all you fucking overzealous religious missionary retards and all you fucking overzealous atheist darwin retards are basically just slamming your heads together, screaming "HURR DURR DURR", and drooling everywhere while playing a game where you headbutt each other until one of you collapses from destroyed skull, brain damage, and blood loss so the other can jump on top of them and put their crouch button on turbo like they're playing a really terrible Xbox Live match.

Now to return to our everyday program, "Elmo's Road to Crack-Addiction Recovery", with today's special Guest Star, the Cookie Monster.

The internet is a wondrously bad place to express your religious opinions.

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH RELIGION!!!
Who fucking cares about a "magic thing"  that we cannot even proof to exist? xD

QuoteWho fucking cares about a "magic thing" that we cannot even proof to exist? xD

all of arch's unsatisfied girlfriends.

aaaand, topic's now at full circle.

Like this?

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Quote from: "Dome"EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH RELIGION!!!

^WIN

If you are Catholic learn some tolerance for other's beliefs and get over it.

If you are atheist, ditto.

We are not here for a war of religious debate, we are here to chat about FFT and at the end of the day make a few new friends.

How can you really get to know someone if all your focusing on is their religion. My best friends are in order a Methodist, Catholic, and Juggalo. I don't understand their belief but I don't have to to have a good time with them. They don't ram their beliefs down my throat and I do them the honor of not ramming my "views using logic" down theirs.

It works better that way.

...'Juggallo'?

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"...'Juggallo'?

A religion based on the Dark Carnival. "Preached" by ICP.

Quote from: "philsov"

Quote-Philsov: You need another project after easytype is done.

Already in the works friend :)

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"...'Juggallo'?

google image search for hilarity and a little loss for faith in humanity.

I think Zodiac should give a temporary ban to anyone who tries to talk about religion or provokes a religious argument. religious arguments never lead to anything and religion is worthless in a community of people who are hacking FFT, not trying to start a colt.
"free kick for mentioning god", how about "free kick for mentioning atheism" too?

Well, it's not entirely reasonable to ban religious discussion when the forum's about a game where you kill a Christ analogy.

You guys are so close minded.

What's wrong with religion?

DOWN WITH THEISM!!!

oh and on-topic:

I NEVER WON 1.3 BARIAUS VALLEY 100% LEGIT.

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Well, it's not entirely reasonable to ban religious discussion when the forum's about a game where you kill a Christ analogy.

Who said ban? I just want to keep religious arguments to a minimum.

DOWN WITH THEISTIC FUCKS WHO THROW THEIR BELIEFS IN YOUR FACE.

Quote from: "darthpaul"

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Well, it's not entirely reasonable to ban religious discussion when the forum's about a game where you kill a Christ analogy.

Who said ban? I just want to keep religious arguments to a minimum.

DOWN WITH THEISTIC FUCKS WHO THROW THEIR BELIEFS IN YOUR FACE.

^ this is more what I wanted to say, but the atheists should quit trying to do the same thing

DOWN WITH ATHEIST CUNTS WHO DO LIKEWISE.

Quote from: "Voldemort"

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"Zodiac, Voldemort, stop ramming your opinions down everyone's throat. This isn't a GFAQs system board. I don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect. I don't dislike atheists, just the bigoted ones with a king complex like you two.

your faith is unfounded and delusional

atheism isn't an opinion, it is what everyone is born as (yourself included), it is the default lack of any religious beliefs that we have as animals - before they ram religious / cultural fairy tales down YOUR throat since you were young

your opinion is the only one that could possibly be enforced on anyone else, because it is the one that is presenting positive claims that g0d(s) exist, without any evidence to back them up

QuoteI don't bitch about your opinion, maybe if you were smarter you'd show the same respect.

and I don't see how showing respect for unfounded belief systems has anything to do with intelligence

my post stands un-rebuttéd

Quote from: "Voldemort"my post stands un-rebuttéd

No rebuttal was needed. What you said was thought provoking at least.

. <--- My point


o <--- your head

Quote from: "Mental_Gear". <--- My point


o <--- your head

...Lame much?

Quote from: "darthpaul"

Quote from: "Voldemort"my post stands un-rebuttéd

No rebuttal was needed. What you said was thought provoking at least.

And there really doesn't seem to be anything to rebut in your post, at least from where I'm reading it from.

I have failed to start a flame war



*self destructs*























BUT I HAVE ??? STATS LOL 999 U

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"DOWN WITH ATHEIST CUNTS WHO DO LIKEWISE.

*gasp*

Someone AGREED with me!

Well fuck man. I have been rage'd at yet. And i kinda began a little argument. And zodiac, i hate mIRC

the irc chat is denyingz0r-ing my connection

- Everyone that wants real health care reform should march on Washington.
- Everyone should stop paying their over priced credit debt all at once so the greedy banking fuckers choke on their own screams of despair.

- In order to vote in America, people should be required to take an economics class, so they can realize how it works, and that capitalism is not evil, that business is not evil, and that the IRS IS evil
- People should study the soviet union in order to figure out just why communism sucks
- If Micheal Moore hates America so much, he should go to a third world country. He could feed an entire village for a month.
- People should realize that Bush wasn't that bad, and that Obama is causing irreparable damage
- People shouldn't get mad at AIG for paying bonuses they owed to their employees, but they should blame the government for passing the bailout bill WITHOUT READING IT
- People should realize if congress didn't read the bill for AIG, there's no way in hell that they will read the 1,000 page bill for medical reform
- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

Also
- Hippies and Anarchists need to realize that with higher taxes, and socialized health care, and welfare the liberals want MORE government control, and that conservatives want less taxes and the ability for a person to manage his own life.

I agree Vanya! If only we Liberals had a bit of a backbone to get all this in place... I guess slight anxiety isn't as powerful as Full-on Hate some of these protesters have, eh... we do need to march on Washington Vanya, we need a rallying cry to show the other side, and our own side that we want what was Originally proposed.

EDIT:
Honestly you sound like another Glenn Beck watcher, saying that Obama has done "irreparable damage" just another sycophant... but I'm sure you look at us on the other side the same way, so we have to agree to disagree.

Quote from: "Silent One"- In order to vote in America, people should be required to take an economics class, so they can realize how it works, and that capitalism is not evil, that business is not evil, and that the IRS IS evil
- People should study the soviet union in order to figure out just why communism sucks
- If Micheal Moore hates America so much, he should go to a third world country. He could feed an entire village for a month.
- People should realize that Bush wasn't that bad, and that Obama is causing irreparable damage
- People shouldn't get mad at AIG for paying bonuses they owed to their employees, but they should blame the government for passing the bailout bill WITHOUT READING IT
- People should realize if congress didn't read the bill for AIG, there's no way in hell that they will read the 1,000 page bill for medical reform
- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

Aslo
- Hippies and Anarchists need to realize that with higher taxes, and socialized health care, and welfare the liberals want MORE government control, and that conservatives want less taxes and the ability for a person to manage his own life.

Someone's pretty conservative.

Medical care sucks in Britain and Canada?

news to me

Fine. I'll rebuttal Arch's post.

Quoteatheism isn't an opinion, it is what everyone is born as (yourself included), it is the default lack of any religious beliefs that we have as animals - before they ram religious / cultural fairy tales down YOUR throat since you were young

Right. It wouldn't be an opinion. More accurately, it would be lack of opinion, because you're born ignorant.

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Fine. I'll rebuttal Arch's post.

Quoteatheism isn't an opinion, it is what everyone is born as (yourself included), it is the default lack of any religious beliefs that we have as animals - before they ram religious / cultural fairy tales down YOUR throat since you were young

Right. It wouldn't be an opinion. More accurately, it would be lack of opinion, because you're born ignorant.

I'm not entirely sure that that rebuts Arch's post.

Quote from: "Silent One"- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA





AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAH.

I had no idea we had one of those drum-beating "socialism" fuckheads on the forums and what's more they actually believe health care in Britain and Canada is a failure. Even if it was, notice how this guy leaves out France as one of the countries with "socialist" health care. Or Sweden. Or Italy. Or Spain. Government health care doesn't look quite so bad when you don't cherry pick which examples you use.

Quote from: "Asmo X"

Quote from: "Silent One"- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA





AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAH.

I had no idea we had one of those drum-beating "socialism" fuckheads on the forums and what's more they actually believe health care in Britain and Canada is a failure. Even if it was, notice how this guy leaves out France as one of the countries with "socialist" health care. Or Sweden. Or Italy. Or Spain. Government health care doesn't look quite so bad when you don't cherry pick which examples you use.

<3

Quote from: "Silent One"that business is not evil

Buh?

Sorry, but no.

QuoteAcid Runoff Iron Mountain Mine Superfund Site

The largest point source of highly toxic heavy metals in the nation feeds Spring Creek. The Iron Mountain Superfund site also releases the most highly acidic mine runoff on earth, running up to 100 times the concentration of battery acid. This acid drainage stains rocks with toxic heavy metal rich precipitates. The Iron Mountain mine ripped open the side of a mountain in search of iron silver, gold, copper, zink and pyrite. The abandoned mine left highly reactive iron pyrite exposed to the elements. Iron pyrite reacts with oxygen and water to form sulfuric acid. This causes massive leaching of heavy metals from the rock and soil it passes. Due to extreme toxicity to fish, a treatment plant and holding dam collect and reduce toxicity of the polluted rainwater. At times of sufficient flow in the Sacramento River the collected water is released. This alows high flows to dilute the toxic compounds enough that endangered salmon are not killed for miles downstream.  Nearly one billion dollars will be paid by Aventis CropSciences USA, Inc. for cleanup efforts durring the next 30 years.

If health codes, building codes, the FDA, the EPA, BBB, and other such laws/agencies didn't exist, a large number of businesses would forego the expenses in order to make things safe, clean, and produce minimal longterm environmental impact.  The only check prior to the creation of these things was either good old fashioned vigilantism (done after the fact) or people simply refusing business to said shady SOB  -- also realized after the fact -- after the served food was partially rotten, after the contaminated water destroyed the fish crop,  after the crappy materials caused the house to dilapidate etc etc etc.  

Business, by nature, has the primary goal of increasing revenue and cutting costs, and in terms of pure cash flow one can sweep a LOT under the rug and by the time people realize what happened you're set in the bahamas or dead.

IRS, on the other hand, is just a collection agency.    Don't hate the agency, hate where the funds go (sometimes) and why the collection is occurring in the first place.

Quote- People should study the soviet union in order to figure out just why communism sucks

"Once in power, the Bolsheviks immediately withdrew Russia from the First World War, established workers' control in the factories, legalised divorce, installed universal suffrage, granted freedom and self-determination to national minorities, carried out major land reforms in the interest of poor peasants, initiated mass literacy campaigns, assisted the restoration of oppressed religious minorities, decriminalised homosexuality, separated the church and the state, began the task of eliminating homelessness and "freed" women from the burden of housework by setting up communal kitchens, laundries and free nurseries for children. Many of their progressive policies such as the decriminalisation of homosexuality were however reverted once Stalin assumed power."

It's not all bad, socially speaking :p

Quote- People should realize that Bush wasn't that bad, and that Obama is causing irreparable damage

Damage like what, exactly?

Quote- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_in_France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_in_France)

If the term "socialized" is incorrect, then whatever the hell that is labeled seems like a pretty good path to take imo.

Quoteand that conservatives want less taxes and the ability for a person to manage his own life.

Did you completely forget about the entire sect of uptight moral conservatives, who are ALL FOR government power controlling other people's lives?  Fiscal conservatives, sure, but if you're going to lump hippies and anarchists with the liberals (anarchists that want more government, go figure), at least be aware of the hypocrisy.

Well then, go to one of those European countries with the health care you so love. And when it takes you a month to get any medical attention, because of non-tax paying, non-working, probably-on-welfare people who clog up the system, perhaps you can see why people FROM THEIR complain about it.

I'm not cherry picking examples, I'm just picking the ones Americans would be most familiar with.

Quote from: "Silent One"Well then, go to one of those European countries with the health care you so love

Yes, let's drop all social connections, employments, education, learn a new language, apply for green cards/visas/citizenship, and start our lives complete over just so we can get better healthcare.    

Or... we can hopefully change the current system into something better.  

Gee.  

I can't decide.

Quote from: "Silent One"Well then, go to one of those European countries with the health care you so love, and when it takes you a month to get any medical attention, because of non-tax paying, non-working, probably-on-welfare people who clog up the system.

I'm not cherry picking examples, I'm just picking the ones Americans would be most familiar with.

That's a rational reaction. "Hey, you like this thing that this other country has, so why don't you leave the country you currently live in, and move to that other country?"

Also, the second half of that sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. I'm expecting some sort of finishing thought, since "when it takes you a month to get any medical attention" has the feel of an incomplete thought to me. Instead I find a nonessential clause that isn't set off from the rest of the sentence properly.

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Quote from: "Silent One"Well then, go to one of those European countries with the health care you so love

Yes, let's drop all social connections, employments, education, learn a new language, apply for green cards/visas/citizenship, and start our lives complete over just so we can get better healthcare.    

Or... we can hopefully change the current system into something better.  

Gee.  

I can't decide.

Philsov, the more of your posts that I read, the more of a fan of yours I become.

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Quote from: "Silent One"that business is not evil

Buh?

Sorry, but no.

QuoteAcid Runoff Iron Mountain Mine Superfund Site

The largest point source of highly toxic heavy metals in the nation feeds Spring Creek. The Iron Mountain Superfund site also releases the most highly acidic mine runoff on earth, running up to 100 times the concentration of battery acid. This acid drainage stains rocks with toxic heavy metal rich precipitates. The Iron Mountain mine ripped open the side of a mountain in search of iron silver, gold, copper, zink and pyrite. The abandoned mine left highly reactive iron pyrite exposed to the elements. Iron pyrite reacts with oxygen and water to form sulfuric acid. This causes massive leaching of heavy metals from the rock and soil it passes. Due to extreme toxicity to fish, a treatment plant and holding dam collect and reduce toxicity of the polluted rainwater. At times of sufficient flow in the Sacramento River the collected water is released. This alows high flows to dilute the toxic compounds enough that endangered salmon are not killed for miles downstream.  Nearly one billion dollars will be paid by Aventis CropSciences USA, Inc. for cleanup efforts durring the next 30 years.

If health codes, building codes, the FDA, the EPA, BBB, and other such laws/agencies, a large number of businesses would forego the expenses in order to make things safe, clean, and produce minimal longterm environmental impact.  The only check prior to the creation of these things was either good old fashioned vigilantism (done after the fact) or people simply refusing business to said shady SOB  -- also realized after the fact -- after the served food was partially rotten, after the contaminated water destroyed the fish crop,  after the crappy materials caused the house to dilapidate etc etc etc.  

Business, by nature, has the primary goal of increasing revenue and cutting costs, and in terms of pure cash flow one can sweep a LOT under the rug and by the time people realize what happened you're set in the bahamas or dead.

IRS, on the other hand, is just a collection agency.    Don't hate the agency, hate where the funds go (sometimes) and why the collection is occurring in the first place.

Quote- People should study the soviet union in order to figure out just why communism sucks

"Once in power, the Bolsheviks immediately withdrew Russia from the First World War, established workers' control in the factories, legalised divorce, installed universal suffrage, granted freedom and self-determination to national minorities, carried out major land reforms in the interest of poor peasants, initiated mass literacy campaigns, assisted the restoration of oppressed religious minorities, decriminalised homosexuality, separated the church and the state, began the task of eliminating homelessness and "freed" women from the burden of housework by setting up communal kitchens, laundries and free nurseries for children. Many of their progressive policies such as the decriminalisation of homosexuality were however reverted once Stalin assumed power."

It's not all bad, socially speaking :p

Quote- People should realize that Bush wasn't that bad, and that Obama is causing irreparable damage

Damage like what, exactly?

Quote- People should look at how much medical care sucks in Britain and Canada before they talk about socializing health care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_in_France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_in_France)

If the term "socialized" is incorrect, then whatever the hell that is labeled seems like a pretty good path to take imo.

Quoteand that conservatives want less taxes and the ability for a person to manage his own life.

Did you completely forget about the entire sect of uptight moral conservatives, who are ALL FOR government power controlling other people's lives?  Fiscal conservatives, sure, but if you're going to lump hippies and anarchists with the liberals (anarchists that want more government, go figure), at least be aware of the hypocrisy.

Wow, lets take this on one at a time.

1a. These things about business are often blown way out of proportion. Did you know for example, the Erin Brokovich case was proven false?

1b. The IRS is positively demonic. They care nothing about the hard working taxpayer. They go after the upper middle class with extreme vigor. The IRS will pursue taxes past a person's death (perhaps suicide because of the inevitability of financial ruin because of taxes) and proceed to ruin a person's family who are already suffering from that person's death. It;s amazing how people don't realize that a person who makes 150,000 dollars a year with 140,000 dollars of debt has the same amount of money as a person who makes 40,000 dollars a year with 30,000 dollars of debt... But the person with the "low income" has soooo many more options to help them out...

2. I never said that pre-soviet union Russia was any good either. The Nazi's did a lot of good for Germany. Are you going to say that they had a good system?
Perhaps you like being told the career path you will take. Perhaps you think it is right for a doctor to make as much money as a factory worker. What do you think happens when everybody makes the same no matter what they do? They only work hard enough to not get fired, which with the labor unions, is not very hard at all.

3. Obama has raised the national debt by a massive amount. His plans for the economy will only hurt the country as a whole.

4. By socialized health care I mean the government payment to people who can't afford it on their own. In some cases, there are people who just got unlucky, but a lot of lazy non contributing morons would take advantage of free health care. At tax payer's expense. The government will pay for people who "can't afford it" probably people making less than 50,000 dollars per year. The middle class will still have to pay their own way even if they have a mountain of debt that the great Obama has promised would go away. Once again, the middle class gets screwed.

5. Uptight moral conservatives don't speak for us all. Many of us actually believe in separation of church and state. Many of us are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. But, we are the ones who want lower taxes. Explain how lower taxes equals more government? I just don't understand how people who hate the government can support the people trying to give it more power.

1a) Out of proportion or not, these things DO occur.  I'm all for a parental figure looming over private businesses.  

1b) The IRS is still not the one to blame.  Blame congress.

2)  I... am agreeing with you loudly!?

3) The worst irony is that McCain proposed the exact same bailouts if elected.  As I see it, it doesn't matter which political affiliation was rocked, the deficit was going to skyrocket regardless.  Only differences are the pundits and their blind followers that praise/shun the poor guy.

4) So then there needs to be a way to remove the parasites but actually provide the industrious poor with medical care.

5)  Buh?  I'm just barking up the semantic tree.  Moral legislation and enforcement leads to more government. It doesn't get simpler than that.

Typical self-centered bullshit that just reinforces the conservative stereotype. Who are you to say how many people are just in hospitals to "clog it up"? What is this based on? Are they getting treatment for imaginary complaints? Can't a doctor tell?

I don't need to go to some European country to get health care. I have it here in Australia. I had a general checkup last year and the doctor found suspicious symptoms with my head and heart. I had blood tests, an ultrasound, a CT and a chest x-ray and 2 appointments with the doctor and it came to the grand total of $180. We have this system because, in a very market-like way, we demanded affordable health care. Thats the great irony of opposing a government system only based on this churning sludge of stupid buzzwords like "socialism". You are gazing outwards, away from your self-interest, which the market thrives on, and that's a great way to ensure your system will not serve you properly.

Quote from: "Silent One"...BULLSHIT...

Now that's how you ask for a shower of (un)holy liberal flaming!

Quote from: "Silent One"...probably people making less than 50,000 dollars per year.

Where the fuck do you live that makes 50k middle class?
Not in this economy is that middle.

Quote from: "Silent One"...a lot of lazy non contributing morons would take advantage of free health care. At tax payer's expense.

You say that as if that weren't already the case. Why the hell do you think premiums are so high? It isn't JUST greed. It's because the cost for ppl that go to the emergency room with no insurance gets passed on to the insured. Since hospitals are private businesses whose goal is to turn a profit do you really think the hospital CEOs are gonna spend profit on the uninsured?
That's what a lot of conservatives like to ignore. Also, the fact that billions of dollars get sucked out of the system by Insurance Profit. I'm no economist, but I know this. Before Bush privatized Social Security my mother didn't have to pay for most of her medications, but now she can't afford most of her medications and has to co-pay pretty much all of them.

And, on a similar note, what the fuck is up with insurance companies covering Erectile Dysfunction medication, but not contraceptives and Birth Control? That there is one of the many benefits of private Health Insurance, coverage for what's popular instead of what is necessary or preventive.

Fuck the status quo! You can keep that shit. >=P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4)


PPL! Stop paying your credit debt beyond what you originally spent! Credit scores are just made up economic bullshit! Show these greedy fucks who has the real power around here! If even 30% of the ppl who have debt stopped paying it the banks and low-life collection companies would take a shit right there. The people need to exercise there rights to force what is fair from time to time.

Did you guys know that once you default on a debt and it is sold to a collection company you have no obligation to pay that debt? They never told us that shit did they!? As long as you don't agree to pay it they have no right to collect it and no debt can lower your credit score more than  once. If any of you guys fall on hard times and the collectors come knocking just remember this. I had 2 credit cards that went south, then the collectors started up. When I found out about this technicality I starting the debt collectors that bought my credit debt to go fuck themselves and suddenly the phone calls started falling away. An account can pass through only so many companies before other debt collectors start shying away from it.

Am I the only one who sleeps at peak FFH time?

Asmo - You're a badass
People who wear Naruto headbands in public - Stop it
People who play WOW - Stop it
People who RP - Stop it
People who don't play sports without a legitimate excuse - get off your ass
Athiests and Liberals who think they're better than everyone else because of their idealology - Who gives a fuck if I'm a conservative Christian. I'm perfectly happy with you guys the way you are and you should be happy with me. We're all people. And hell even though I'm conservative I don't like Glenn Beck so don't throw "nutcase" shit down my throat either cause there are people like that on both sides, and yes he's one of them, and yes I realize that. If you want to see someone with a political midset I tend to agree with watch some of John Stossel's stuff.

Quote- People should realize that Bush wasn't that bad

I agree with this. People blew the negatives of his administration way out of proportion. It goes to show that some liberals are just as nutty as conservatives. For example... the conspiracy theories that Bush planned (or was a part of) 9/11. Who in their fucked up mind would think something like that?

Quote4) So then there needs to be a way to remove the parasites but actually provide the industrious poor with medical care.

How about a cheap government healthcare option that provides people with the very very basic healthcare benefits that they must pay into. It would be just like an insurance company, but cheap and accessable to everyone, and more importantly, it will be theoretically fair (as most insurance companies are said to be greedy and evil and all that jazz). By having them still pay into their own cheap, indiscriminite system, or even have the option of payment plans if they are going through hard times, it would prevent people who are happy with their healthcare from having to pay for someone else's.

Quote from: "degrofm"I'm not entirely sure that that rebuts Arch's post.

Well, it'd be impossible to "entirely rebut" it, since he's right that we're born without knowledge of religion and that we learn of it/get it shoved down our throat later in life.

My point was that no knowledge of religion =/= atheism. If you're ignorant of the issue, you don't have an opinion. If you're conscious of it, you do.



@healthcare stuff

Can't wait for a better healthcare system. I'd prefer it being more socialized than what's happening right now, though.

Quote from: "Silent One"2. I never said that pre-soviet union Russia was any good either. The Nazi's did a lot of good for Germany. Are you going to say that they had a good system?
Perhaps you like being told the career path you will take. Perhaps you think it is right for a doctor to make as much money as a factory worker. What do you think happens when everybody makes the same no matter what they do? They only work hard enough to not get fired, which with the labor unions, is not very hard at all.

The doctors did make more money than a factory worker, just so you know.

It's so funny this is in spam.

Global warming is a myth.

Back on topic...

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Yeah. I don't really like the PSP Go.

We should change the name of this topic to "Arena Of Egos"

and by the way, i don't speak about religion... i feel like killing a kitty with an axe when i debate this subject with someone who still believes in imaginary friends

of course, a lot of rednecks in here
you americans are funny, you got one of the worst health system in the world (and the worst among the 10 richest countries) and the only guy who had the balls to do something is being stoned in public square

way to go uncle sam!

i feel sorry for the half of you that can think outside of your own bellybutton, it must be very hard to live in a christian and conservative based society

Hey, Fusso, where you from?

*checks*

NVM.

Brazil,
it's not a much better country
but the mentality is far more liberal
of course, after 15 years of dictatorship followed by 50 years of militarism we learnt something about our freedom...

hmmm..

Quote from: "Jumza"Global warming is a myth.

I'll give one quick scientific example that shows you're wrong:

1 million years ago, it is estimated that there were approximately 180 ppm (parts per million) of CO2 in the atmosphere. 250 years ago, it had risen to 280 ppm. In 2008, it had climbed to 385 ppm. It has been shown (http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm) that water vapour is the dominant positive feedback element in our climate system, and amplifies any increases in temperature that occur based on a similar increase in CO2. There has been an increase (http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-do-we-know-CO2-is-causing-warming.html) in CO2, which has led to an increase in water vapour in the atmosphere, which in turn facilitates an increase in CO2. These increases in CO2 and water vapour increase the greenhouse effect of our atmosphere, which leads to less solar radiation reflecting back into space, and more solar radiation being absorbed into the surface of the earth, and being trapped between the upper atmosphere and the ground.

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"degrofm wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that that rebuts Arch's post.

Well, it'd be impossible to "entirely rebut" it, since he's right that we're born without knowledge of religion and that we learn of it/get it shoved down our throat later in life.

My point was that no knowledge of religion =/= atheism. If you're ignorant of the issue, you don't have an opinion. If you're conscious of it, you do.

I'm fairly certain that I didn't suggest that you didn't entirely rebut Arch's post, in fact, I'm fairly certain I suggested I wasn't entirely sure that you rebutted it at all. I do agree with your point that no knowledge of religion =/= atheism.

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Yeah the global warming deniers are misusing the real denialist position which is that that humans have something to do with it. Global warming happens and this is a stone cold fact. People who deny it are fucking idiots, end of story.

Who's a bigger moron - global warming denier, or a holocaust denier?

Why do I get the impression 'denier' isn't a word? It looks...odd.

People who deny (the facts of) evolution, global warming, that HIV causes AIDS, 9/11, that the holocaust happened, etc, are all fucking idiots IMO

I don't care what you believe, but when your beliefs start interfering with your ability to properly categorize and understand proven facts with your senses and rational thought process, I'll start flaming

I think those people are called truthers

Quote from: "Voldemort"People who deny (the facts of) evolution, global warming, that HIV causes AIDS, 9/11, that the holocaust happened, etc, are all fucking idiots IMO

I think they are called Stupid naps with no life or purpose

Fix'd

*Agrees with last 2 posts*

And besides... Jumza was just kidding >_>

You'd think a thread like this would have devolved to something along the lines of Dome coming out of the closet than debates of religion and politics (as those tend to be the driving force for the other debates).

DOME IS GAY ? OMGOMGOMGOMG

Quote from: "Sephirot24"*Agrees with last 2 posts*

And besides... Jumza was just kidding >_>

Are you sure? Because vocal inflection would be pretty important in determining that, and there's no vocal inflection on the internets.

That's the problem. You can never tell.

Now consider that I find it hard to pick up sarcasm under any circumstances.

sarcasm sucks over the internet

Quote from: "Samuraiblackbelt"sarcasm sucks over the internet

WHAT?!?

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I think the Twilight series by Stephanie Meyer is absolutely terrible. Poorly written, bad character design, and just over the top with her sparkling vampires. It shouldn't have gotten the attention it did.

Thank you for diminishing everything scary about Vampires.

Quote from: "AngrySurprisedFace"I think the Twilight series by Stephanie Meyer is absolutely terrible. Poorly written, bad character design, and just over the top with her sparkling vampires. It shouldn't have gotten the attention it did.

Thank you for diminishing everything scary about Vampires.

Quote from: "Kokojo"DOME IS GAY ? OMGOMGOMGOMG

Shh, that's a secret! My girlfriend mustn't know this! xD

I feel kind of special when someone pukes in my car.  Like, there are a lot of places in this world where, if you just hunch over and vomit your guts out, it is NOT OKAY.  I like for people to feel that, at least when they're in my company, they can retch all they want and I won't judge them.  As long as they're intelligent.  I have odd criteria concerning the kind of people whose sick I'm willing to clean.

I love this thread.

Quote from: "AngrySurprisedFace"I think the Twilight series by Stephanie Meyer is absolutely terrible. Poorly written, bad character design, and just over the top with her sparkling vampires. It shouldn't have gotten the attention it did.

Thank you for diminishing everything scary about Vampires.

That is why we have True Blood & the Vampire Chronicles before that and Bram Stoker's Dracula before that.

Quote from: "Vanya"That is why we have True Blood & the Vampire Chronicles before that and Bram Stoker's Dracula before that.

Neil Gaiman did a pretty interesting interview on the subject of vampires in pop culture:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20301186,00.html

Bram Stoker's Dracula is the only good vampire story. Fuck all that other shit.

anyone who say that like Anne Rice have a Vagina

I saw something nasty in the woodshed.

Quote from: "dwib"Bram Stoker's Dracula is the only good vampire story. Fuck all that other shit.

Really? I found it extremely boring.

The best vampire story is based on it though: Dracula, Dead and Loving It.

Quote from: "degrofm"I'm fairly certain that I didn't suggest that you didn't entirely rebut Arch's post, in fact, I'm fairly certain I suggested I wasn't entirely sure that you rebutted it at all.

Ah, my bad. Misread your post back when I wrote that.

7 pages, and no one calling me out, I'm shocked. But then, with the obvious exception of dome, everyone I've taken a dislike to has since left the forums.

/smug.

HI GUYS I'M BACK!

I'm still here tithin. I cannot be killed.

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Quote from: "degrofm"I'm fairly certain that I didn't suggest that you didn't entirely rebut Arch's post, in fact, I'm fairly certain I suggested I wasn't entirely sure that you rebutted it at all.

Ah, my bad. Misread your post back when I wrote that.

Completely understandable. I really didn't write that in a perfectly clear way.

Funny I had the feeling Tith had taken a disliking to me.

Arch - You are a giant douche bag, but I appreciate that fact.  I don't think you should let up on your atheist beliefs, because that would be contrary to your obstinate nature you show on every subject.  I appreciate your honesty, even though I disagree with you most of the time.  I admire the amount of work you have done for FFH.  Also, you are not fat.
Zod - Sometimes you go on a powertrip, but since you have all the power, I won't complain.  You are usally right anyway.  However, I dislike your atheist tirade as you never provide reason for your belief (unlike Arch).
Dome - You should never be a forum mod.  For any forum.  On any website.  Ever.
Cheetor - I appreciate you the most.
Zoz - You rock alot as well.
LD - It amazes how much work you have done for your patch.
Magitek - I've never seen anyone ask for a banhammer as much and as many times as you have.
Tithin - Your opinion typically annoy me, but I think that is your goal anyway.
Philsov - You are the most sane person on this site.  Thanks for using your head before you type.
BP - My good man, you bring joy to my life.
DP - You avatar's smile is terribly drawn.  I hate it but not you.  You are fine.

Universal Healthcare - It works in country's with smaller populations, but it will probably not work on a federal level in the US.  Having dealt with the nightmares of Medicare have shown me that it will probably not work.  However, maybe a healthcare plan enacted by each state might work.  Scalewise, this would be more akin to the European countries with Universal Healthcare.

Athiesm/Thesim - The natural universe is agnostic.  Science can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of God.  This is why a religion of pure reason (historical deism) fails.  Revealed religion has more merit, as it relies on faith.  This faith does not deny reason, rather reason informs that faith.

Capitalism - Not good. Not bad. It's amoral. It is a tool. Much like a hammer, it can be used to build or destroy. Same goes for communism.

Kingdom Hearts - Fun, not worthy of disdain, but not worthy of praise. KHII lame, except for the gummi ship.  The gummi ship could be it's own seperate franchise it so fun.

Twilight - I read the first one.  Not sure what the big deal is, but if women think like Bella, I want beat my head against the wall.

Sarcasm on the Internet - Hard to detect unless incredibly overt.

tl;dr - I don't blame you.

Namco should never create an online mode ever again.

I seem to have slid under the radar.
Just the way I like it.
After all, I am ninja! ^_^

I see you winding, grinding up on that pole
I know you see me looking at you and you already know
I wanna love you (love you)
You already know~

If i didn't like gojoe so much I'd like kokojo more

Someone on fucking Japan MAKE ANIME ABOUT VAMPIRES THE WAY THY SHOULD BE!

QuoteAthiesm/Thesim - The natural universe is agnostic. Science can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora. This is why a religion of pure reason (historical deism) fails. Revealed religion has more merit, as it relies on faith. This faith does not deny reason, rather reason informs that faith.

The default position for anything lacking evidence is that it doesn't exist.

We weigh the validity of claims based on the quality of evidence presented, and how this matches up with the claim itself.

We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

QuoteScience can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora.

As you just pointed out, there IS no evidence to be found for or against the g0d claim. The LACK of evidence in this case seems to suggest that since there is no evidence for us to analyze in the first place, that the original claim is false.

The natural universe contains no true evidence for creation (from any religion) and no traces of a god (save the descriptions of god which are non-religious, such as "god is love, god is energy, etc" which reduce god to something that isn't god anymore).

The default position (from what we can observe in this universe) is that there is no evidence for a god, especially not a religious god. When we run into claims with zero evidence behind them, the default position is the lack of belief in the claim. It's not "Maybe", it's "I don't believe that, sorry".

In this case, faith DOES deny reason, big time. And reason isn't informing faith, or else you would stop all faith immediately upon realizing the lack of evidence behind the religious claims.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof)


The Fallacy of Demanding Negative Proof

Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven (see negative proof).

Zodiac sucks as he always bans me. And he shaves his balls. What a shame.
Arch is a cool Atheist/troll/troll atheist/whatever
Dome... congrats on getting a green name!
philsov. The REAL man. The master of the game.
bastard-poetry-who-hates-when-completeboy-calls-him-bastard. Bastard. Just kidding, your cock is great. And CoK, too.
Kokojo. Awsum patch. CoP ftw!
Samuri the geomancer. don't cry. I think you can win the next auto-battle tournament.
Vanya. Puerto Rico rules. Cuba rules more.
All the other guys. Cheers from PSP MASTER!!
*waits for double chainsaw of justice that is a fucking joke and DOES NOTHING*.

Oh yeah, FFH is gay.

It's not even funny anymore to see/play with you PSP7MASTER...
Thanks anyway

Quote from: "ban"Zodiac sucks as he always bans me. And he shaves his balls. What a shame.
Arch is a cool Atheist/troll/troll atheist/whatever
Dome... congrats on getting a green name!
philsov. The REAL man. The master of the game.
bastard-poetry-who-hates-when-completeboy-calls-him-bastard. Bastard. Just kidding, your cock is great. And CoK, too.
Kokojo. Awsum patch. CoP ftw!
Samuri the geomancer. don't cry. I think you can win the next auto-battle tournament.
Vanya. Puerto Rico rules. Cuba rules more.
All the other guys. Cheers from PSP MASTER!!
*waits for double chainsaw of justice that is a fucking joke and DOES NOTHING*.

WELCOME TO FFH, WHER...

fuck it.

Quote from: "Voldemort"We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

No, we do not assume them to be false, we assume them to be unproven.  This still helps your point, though.  Still, something is only proven false when evidence brought against proves it false.

For example, the Big Crunch is a hypothetical reverse of the Big Bang, but just because we don't have proof that it happens, does not mean it is false.

anyone else think it's funny that Voldemort complains about people pushing their beliefs on other people, yet he is the one who most often instigates religious arguments, or brings up his beliefs at all?

Quote from: "Kuraudo Sutoraifu"

Quote from: "Voldemort"We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

No, we do not assume them to be false, we assume them to be unproven.  This still helps your point, though.  Still, something is only proven false when evidence brought against proves it false.

For example, the Big Crunch is a hypothetical reverse of the Big Bang, but just because we don't have proof that it happens, does not mean it is false.

I already addressed what you are saying here in my post

next time quote my entire post on the subject, not just 1 sentence

POST UNREBUTTABLE

Quote from: "Voldemort"

QuoteAthiesm/Thesim - The natural universe is agnostic. Science can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora. This is why a religion of pure reason (historical deism) fails. Revealed religion has more merit, as it relies on faith. This faith does not deny reason, rather reason informs that faith.

The default position for anything lacking evidence is that it doesn't exist.

We weigh the validity of claims based on the quality of evidence presented, and how this matches up with the claim itself.

We don't assume things to be true due to a lack of evidence, we assume them to be false in that case.

QuoteScience can make no definitive statement for or against the existence of St. Ajora.

As you just pointed out, there IS no evidence to be found for or against the g0d claim. The LACK of evidence in this case seems to suggest that since there is no evidence for us to analyze in the first place, that the original claim is false.

The natural universe contains no true evidence for creation (from any religion) and no traces of a St. Ajora (save the descriptions of St. Ajora which are non-religious, such as "St. Ajora is love, St. Ajora is energy, etc" which reduce St. Ajora to something that isn't St. Ajora anymore).

The default position (from what we can observe in this universe) is that there is no evidence for a St. Ajora, especially not a religious St. Ajora. When we run into claims with zero evidence behind them, the default position is the lack of belief in the claim. It's not "Maybe", it's "I don't believe that, sorry".

In this case, faith DOES deny reason, big time. And reason isn't informing faith, or else you would stop all faith immediately upon realizing the lack of evidence behind the religious claims.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof)


The Fallacy of Demanding Negative Proof

Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven (see negative proof).

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"I'm still here tithin. I cannot be killed.

I haven't taken a disliking to you. Yet.

QuoteFunny I had the feeling Tith had taken a disliking to me.

Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

Tithin is married
give him a break

Quote from: "tithin"Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

Point taken. Damn you really show when you hate someone.

Quote from: "Voldemort"I already addressed what you are saying here in my post

next time quote my entire post on the subject, not just 1 sentence

Why would I quote the entire post if I was only addressing the inconsistency?  That would be superfluous.  I wasn't even trying to rebut your post; It was more of a post refinement.

Fart!

Quote from: "darthpaul"

Quote from: "tithin"Not sure what gave you that impression. I'm cranky, yes, but I would think it more clear when I take a disliking to someone: see Magitek and a few others whos name I've discarded from memory because THEY WERE USELESS.

Point taken. Damn you really show when you hate someone.

I talk a good game, but really, I don't get angry, I just get annoyed, and then I vent.

I will never understand the popularity of Jack Black.

Quote from: "Samuraiblackbelt"anyone else think it's funny that Voldemort complains about people pushing their beliefs on other people, yet he is the one who most often instigates religious arguments, or brings up his beliefs at all?

I'd pick 'annoying' over funny.

Quote from: "tithin"

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"I'm still here tithin. I cannot be killed.

I haven't taken a disliking to you. Yet.

Actually...yeah. You did. Second time I was on IRC. Console war.

You claimed I was dumber than Dome.

I'll take that as a compliment.

WHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT????????

Well, if tithin says you're dumb as a brick, I find it quite an achievement to be dumber than a brick.

Mmm...
Mental_Gear+Dome+Brick of dumbness=Epic pwnage

We would fuse into one mighty beast...the Droolinator.

How you decided the name?

In a rush with very little thought.

Like my patch battle rush then xD

(http://i34.tinypic.com/20p4w7b.jpg)

FFH- I usually just lurk these days, but you're still a pretty cool guy.
Zodiac- It's your forum. Yes, the filter is childish. Regardless, it's still your forum. Just remember that the internet is public.
LD- Always thought you came across as the most respectable and pleasant of us.
Seushiro- Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, they say.
Dome- You make no sense most of the time, but I find that entertaining on an almost Dr. Tran level.
Kuraudo- Your statement regarding the various belief systems prevelant on this forum was thought-provoking and well said.

Again, to FFH- Sorry I don't post much anymore. Busy life.

Windows XP sucks. I've never had any decent experience with it. I'd honestly take Vista SP1 or SP2 over it if I couldn't use Windows 7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCxlus8hMg#movie_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCxlus8hMg#movie_player)

Voldemort - You're a dick, but at least you're an intelligent dick.

Zodiac - You're a dick, but you're a mod.

Mental_Gear - You're a dick but you're Irish so we assume it's first nature.

Quote from: "Voldemort"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCxlus8hMg#movie_player

hey! that video is a funny video

it doesn't make me dick

:(  :ban:

I wasn't referring to the video at all.

Just you in general.

Again, at least you're intelligent, and not a stupid dick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnXmDaI8 ... annel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnXmDaI8IEo&feature=channel_page)

51 mins.

*closes tab*

No offense, I just CBA.

so now pointing out facts and the errors behind religious claims makes people dicks?

criticizing religion has this taboo attached to it, yes, but trust me, it is not beyond criticism and just because it is your belief doesn't make anyone pointing out it's flaws a dick

I'm sorry I don't show (undeserved) respect and/or restraint towards criticizing your delusional beliefs, but don't make the mistake in thinking that this says anything whatsoever about me, positive or negative

Things you always wanted to say
Talking about religion is useless, expecially here
If I dont believe, nobody can make me think that god exist
If I believe in god, nobody can persuade me of the opposite
You all look like 16 years old guys trying to persuade your girlfriend to fuck the first time without condom, saying "Come on it's not dangerous, I can stop before I come!"
Now, as someone else said

Quote from: "Zodiac"Perception is up to the reader, as this is the SPAM section

Rush limbah is a fucking retarded dick of an asshole and I wish I didn't have to listen to him at work

Quote from: "Samuraiblackbelt"Rush limbah is a fucking retarded dick of an asshole and I wish I didn't have to listen to him at work

Seconded, 'cept the work part thing.  I don't have that problem.

NO
THE
SPAM
SECTION IS ALL ABOUT HATE!!!!!!!

Quote from: "Kokojo"NO
THE
SPAM
SECTION IS ALL ABOUT HATE!!!!!!!

I'm gonna hate that rock.

I love gay people.

!!!
asdf!
AngrySurprisedDeformedFace!

Lex and Terry are a disgrace to the human race. Stop polluting 98Rock, you ill-bred lewd idiots. You very nearly ruined my favourite thing about Florida.

ffta, and ffta2 look good at first but the truth is that they are both a bunch of crap after playing for the first hour. luso has a terrible costume and the sprites in ffta and ffta2 suck so bad i could smash my ds against the wall... the other races are a smart idea but they have terrible job's and stupid abilities.....WHAT THE HECK IS BOOST!!??!?!?!?! LIKE THAT IS SO UNIMAGINATIVE...I mean jeeeeeeeeeeez.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AlZsQu7Yc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AlZsQu7Yc)

You might want to keep a bucket handy (or a toilet nearby) if you choose to watch this. You'll know why.

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"Lex and Terry are a disgrace to the human race. Stop polluting 98Rock, you ill-bred lewd idiots. You very nearly ruined my favourite thing about Florida.

same thing only with Q98 Rocks and minnesota

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AlZsQu7Yc

You might want to keep a bucket handy (or a toilet nearby) if you choose to watch this. You'll know why.

I won't check that link no matter what. I have the feeling that it's 2 girls, 1 cup. One day my friend came and told me "hey watch this vid", but before I even looked at it I hammered him questioning what it was all about, and then I looked at "2 girls, 1 cup reactions" on youtube.

I never saw that vid and I never will

seph you're missing out!

@Kaijyuu -- the sound was worse than the video itself.  Like... with my music on the video was nothing.  Throw the sound on and check email?  that didn't last long.

Quote from: "Sephirot24"

Quote from: "Kaijyuu"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AlZsQu7Yc

I won't check that link no matter what. I have the feeling that it's 2 girls, 1 cup.

and you think youtube is going to allow a video that is even remotely fucked up on their site?

cmon man smarten up

oh, didnt see "youtube" on the link you're right. I'll grab my sword and mah torch and check it out..

EDIT: ok.. just watched the 1st 2 explosions and I'm not gonna go on.

I'm all in for some blood and gore and violence, ala God of War (hail) and Hostel But this is disgusting D:

MG, you're so fucking close to a permanent ban. I thought giving you a 7 day ban would've created more results than that, but I am extremely unsatisfied.
Kokojo you fucking ruined the perls of the chat topic >:(
FUCK YOU.

Quote from: "Zodiac"MG, you're so fucking close to a permanent ban. I thought giving you a 7 day ban would've created more results than that, but I am extremely unsatisfied.

What happened?

Aren't you aware? MG posts only shit in General/Spam. Heck I checked his 240 last messages and none of them is in any patch forum.
A few in suggestions/bugs and help!, about 2 in spriting and the rest in General/Spam.
Always complaining about how his life sucks too; oh noes!

Quote from: "Zodiac"Aren't you aware? MG posts only shit in General/Spam. Heck I checked his 240 last messages and none of them is in any patch forum.
A few in suggestions/bugs and help!, about 2 in spriting and the rest in General/Spam.
Always complaining about how his life sucks too; oh noes!

Now I am
This thing sucks...

Quote from: "Zodiac"Aren't you aware? MG posts only shit in General/Spam. Heck I checked his 240 last messages and none of them is in any patch forum.
A few in suggestions/bugs and help!, about 2 in spriting and the rest in General/Spam.
Always complaining about how his life sucks too; oh noes!

- I just don't visit the patch forums, because I'm not involved.
- I lend what help I can in FFT & GH, WotL & GH, and Help!, but that's limited as my knowledge of CFW and the patcher isn't much, hence I can only answer certain questions. At least I've been making an effort since the week ban.
- I don't sprite, so there.
- If you think I moan too much, you've seriously not visited many forums. Fucking whiners aplenty.

And as for something I've wanted to say - Zodiac, you've got an enormous head. Seriously, it's tall. Like, really fucking tall. Have you considered surgery?

Quote- I just don't visit the patch forums, because I'm not involved.

Get involved. Throw around ideas. Do something.

Quote- I don't sprite, so there.

You don't have to sprite. Critique is good. Critique is what Asmo does. When in doubt do as Asmo does.

Quoteso there.

You are asking for a perma aren't you?

Quote- If you think I moan too much, you've seriously not visited many forums. Fucking whiners aplenty.

There is a user group dedicated to you just for whining. Even Zuka didn't get that.

Quote- Zodiac, you've got an enormous head. Seriously, it's tall. Like, really fucking tall. Have you considered surgery?

QuoteOver 300 posts, most of them bollocks!

We see you trolling
We angry

Quote from: "darthpaul"

Quote- Zodiac, you've got an enormous head. Seriously, it's tall. Like, really fucking tall. Have you considered surgery?

QuoteOver 300 posts, most of them bollocks!

We see you trolling
We angry

Dude, this is spam. Chill out.

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"Dude, this is spam. Chill out.

Yes this is spam. Go chat up some people in the Mercs board. It is the easiest project to jump into conversations.

Spam is a PRIVILEGE. You lost that privilege. Get out.

At this point, you're worse than MAGITEK. At least s/he posted in spriting.

QuoteWhen in doubt do as Asmo does.

Terrible advice!

Quote from: "philsov"

QuoteWhen in doubt do as Asmo does.

Terrible advice!

Shhhhh.

Quote from: "PX_Timefordeath"At this point, you're worse than MAGITEK

Quote from: "PX_Timefordeath"Spam is a PRIVILEGE. You lost that privilege. Get out.

At this point, you're worse than MAGITEK. At least s/he posted in spriting.

I know next to nothing OF spriting - granted, I can critique, but what good is my opinion when I have next to no idea how tough it is?

RAMZA WILL PWN UR ASSZ!!212121
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7707/ramzatheelemental.png)

Quote from: "Dome"RAMZA WILL PWN UR ASSZ!!212121
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7707/ramzatheelemental.png)

Couldn't you have just bumped the thread with that in it?

Quote from: "Mental_Gear"

Quote from: "PX_Timefordeath"Spam is a PRIVILEGE. You lost that privilege. Get out.

At this point, you're worse than MAGITEK. At least s/he posted in spriting.

I know next to nothing OF spriting - granted, I can critique, but what good is my opinion when I have next to no idea how tough it is?

So you can still say what looks bad on a sprite, all that realy matters is the outside opinion.

I have my own issue's with spam, so my standing is no better than yours...

that's a pretty good ramza setup

Quote from: "Voldemort"that's a pretty good ramza setup

That's why he will pwn Mental_gear ass

I DO COCAINE!!!!

Quote from: "Vanya"I DO COCAINE!!!!

Well... duh.

Quote from: "Vanya"I DO COCAINE!!!!

In Mother Russia, cocaine do you.

Japanese chicks with big tits are hot. ^_^

(Pickle-girl is, too.)

Well as this is place to say what you feel... you're going to be married soon Vanya, that is hardly proper thought for a taken man such as yourself.

Quote from: "LastingDawn"Well as this is place to say what you feel... you're going to be married soon Vanya, that is hardly proper thought for a taken man such as yourself.

Thoughts don't equal action.  If you can control your actions, there's no reason not to be able to think whatever you please whenever you please because thoughts can never harm anyone and can often be a good emotional vent.

At least in my experience, they can be.

Something I've always wanted to say:
















Your mother.

Wait, I say that anyway.

Erm.

Fuck.

Well, I could always use this thread as a petition to get Zodiac to change his name to Lord Zedd for the lulz.

Quote from: "LastingDawn"Well as this is place to say what you feel... you're going to be married soon Vanya, that is hardly proper thought for a taken man such as yourself.

I'm already married! ^_^
And my wife thinks Japanese chicks with big tits are hot, too. ^_^

*catches LD as he faints*

*begins fanning him with church bulletin*

hahaha

we all know LD is THE PROPER.

Xif gifted us with a wonderful topic long time ago, and we should recover this gem (It can be funny to see what we tought:-)

After skimming through this....
I vote for a move to the pearls of spam.

Quote from: GeneralStrife on July 01, 2011, 03:28:59 am
After skimming through this....
I vote for a move to the pearls of spam.

http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=5632.0

Wow I can't believe I said what I said back then. o_o

Quote from: Xifanie on July 01, 2011, 08:55:39 am
Wow I can't believe I said what I said back then. o_o

Oh well, everyone changes
You were harsh as hell, but now you are the little princess of my heart :-)

They say everyone is at least partially ashamed of who they were 5 years ago and never wants to change from who they are right now. Well, I guess 2 years in your case.


Since this thread is revived, might as well add something...


I'm seriously annoyed at people who think they can decide whether someone else should or should not like something. It takes a lot to infuriate me, but after reading some "debates" about the legitimacy of the new my little pony show, I'm pretty enraged at the idiots who think less of those who like it AND irritated at those who can't understand that it might not appeal to everyone.

Quote from: Kaijyuu on July 01, 2011, 10:43:37 am
I'm seriously annoyed at people who think they can decide whether someone else should or should not like something. It takes a lot to infuriate me, but after reading some "debates" about the legitimacy of the new my little pony show, I'm pretty enraged at the idiots who think less of those who like it AND irritated at those who can't understand that it might not appeal to everyone.

This.

Well, watching porn's AWESOME, great stress reliever :D

Teens AGAINST PORN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzf3ghIZJI=&fmt=18)

TEENS AGAINST PORN REVISITED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBPM67ddY0&fmt=18)

^, subscribe to this fellow. Very wise he is.

You're an idiot if you disagree w/ what he says.

That is all ^,^

For Now I'm suspecting.

:twisted: