Title: Forcing special characters into different palettes
Post by: LastingDawn on May 20, 2008, 07:09:40 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on May 20, 2008, 07:09:40 pm
Well, I recall a while back people were having trouble with switching palettes on non generics, well I think today I might have stumbled upon a way to do it.
The only requirement is the sacrifice of a monster for each one...
Open FFT Patcher, go to Jobs, head down to any monster you want to replace, let's say for instance... Red Dragon, now 1-49 in M. Portrait are actually the graphic they will assume in battle, we'll use 33 for this instance, which is Zombie Zalbag. Putting in a palette higher then 0 for him will of course make him completely black since he has no extra palette. This method should work for all specials. Sorry if it's a bit of rough explaining, but if something wasn't understood, please don't hesitate to ask.
EDIT: The classification of M. Portrait, M. Palette and M. Graphic appear to be wrong. M. Portrait is the graphic the Monster will use, the Palette is of course the graphic. but M Graphic appears to be classification of monster, for instance, Reis's skills will work on a monster that has 0xF, in comparison to one that has 0x12, which normally isn't used... but it doesn't count as a Dragon regardless.
The only requirement is the sacrifice of a monster for each one...
Open FFT Patcher, go to Jobs, head down to any monster you want to replace, let's say for instance... Red Dragon, now 1-49 in M. Portrait are actually the graphic they will assume in battle, we'll use 33 for this instance, which is Zombie Zalbag. Putting in a palette higher then 0 for him will of course make him completely black since he has no extra palette. This method should work for all specials. Sorry if it's a bit of rough explaining, but if something wasn't understood, please don't hesitate to ask.
EDIT: The classification of M. Portrait, M. Palette and M. Graphic appear to be wrong. M. Portrait is the graphic the Monster will use, the Palette is of course the graphic. but M Graphic appears to be classification of monster, for instance, Reis's skills will work on a monster that has 0xF, in comparison to one that has 0x12, which normally isn't used... but it doesn't count as a Dragon regardless.
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Post by: Zozma on May 20, 2008, 09:02:05 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 20, 2008, 09:02:05 pm
so say i sacrificed the pigs,
so let me ask you this, if i select "ramza" as the sprite in entd editor
and set the job as THIS one specifically it will force the palette over?
and then if i take someone like say Balmafula as the sprite and in entd
editor select this same job that i used on ramza, will it keep her sprite and give her the other palette?
see im trying to make one single job, that can be used in entd editor to make any other job use the second or even third color palette.
so let me ask you this, if i select "ramza" as the sprite in entd editor
and set the job as THIS one specifically it will force the palette over?
and then if i take someone like say Balmafula as the sprite and in entd
editor select this same job that i used on ramza, will it keep her sprite and give her the other palette?
see im trying to make one single job, that can be used in entd editor to make any other job use the second or even third color palette.
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Post by: LastingDawn on May 20, 2008, 09:53:05 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on May 20, 2008, 09:53:05 pm
That unfortunately did not work... only one palette per job. It only works upon replacing a monster's graphic in their job profile, not in the ENTD, it will just show the normal special unit.
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Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2008, 04:14:11 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2008, 04:14:11 pm
thats too bad, i dont mean to change the palette number in entd, i was hoping i could use a monster job to force it... sigh oh well.
thanks alot tho its a nice idea if i dont want to have to create a totally new sprite thats just a recolor.
thanks alot tho its a nice idea if i dont want to have to create a totally new sprite thats just a recolor.
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Post by: Xifanie on June 30, 2008, 08:14:46 pm
Post by: Xifanie on June 30, 2008, 08:14:46 pm
If you like take:
1B Arc Knight (Elmdor)
and set
M. Portrait: 1B
M. Palette: 01
Then take any ENTD and create unit with:
82 Generic Monster
1B Arc Knight
*If not generic monster, it will simply use the default palette.
It will use Elmdor's second palette. It's glitchy with any unit you have in you party when you check formation or when placing units on the field.
So only use that for making enemies.
1B Arc Knight (Elmdor)
and set
M. Portrait: 1B
M. Palette: 01
Then take any ENTD and create unit with:
82 Generic Monster
1B Arc Knight
*If not generic monster, it will simply use the default palette.
It will use Elmdor's second palette. It's glitchy with any unit you have in you party when you check formation or when placing units on the field.
So only use that for making enemies.
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Post by: Zozma on June 30, 2008, 10:03:45 pm
Post by: Zozma on June 30, 2008, 10:03:45 pm
but in doing this there would be drawbacks right? first the unit will sound like a monster when it dies, also there wont be a way to put equipment on them at all will there? even so forced on a monster it doesnt add the hp and other stat bonuses as if they arent there... at least when i tried on monsters
still its nice to know one way to do it.
still its nice to know one way to do it.
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Post by: Archael on July 01, 2008, 12:26:33 am
Post by: Archael on July 01, 2008, 12:26:33 am
no no
the unit won't sound like a monster
all you'll be doing is selecting MONSTER from the Sprite sets
the unit will still have MALE / FEMALE checked, and will in every way behave like a male or female unit
remember this method we're talking about has nothing to do with the classification of the unit, only the SPRITE SET the unit uses
no drawbacks whatsoever, or else LD wouldn't have posted it
also this method can be explained a little better... all you REALLY have to change it the M. Graphic to the # Sprite Set you wish to use and it will work, avatar and everything. You only need M. Palette to force every "monster" sprite set in that job to use a specific palette, I think the original post needs to be fleshed out with more details on this method
also I think it was Argg0 who discovered it IIRC
the unit won't sound like a monster
all you'll be doing is selecting MONSTER from the Sprite sets
the unit will still have MALE / FEMALE checked, and will in every way behave like a male or female unit
remember this method we're talking about has nothing to do with the classification of the unit, only the SPRITE SET the unit uses
no drawbacks whatsoever, or else LD wouldn't have posted it
also this method can be explained a little better... all you REALLY have to change it the M. Graphic to the # Sprite Set you wish to use and it will work, avatar and everything. You only need M. Palette to force every "monster" sprite set in that job to use a specific palette, I think the original post needs to be fleshed out with more details on this method
also I think it was Argg0 who discovered it IIRC
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Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 04:41:44 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 04:41:44 pm
ohhhh monster from sprite set....
so then as long as its a special job this method will work? sweet ill have to give it a try when i get home... but do you have to create a special job for each individual sprite you want to do this to? cause that was my main thing...
so then as long as its a special job this method will work? sweet ill have to give it a try when i get home... but do you have to create a special job for each individual sprite you want to do this to? cause that was my main thing...
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Post by: Xifanie on July 01, 2008, 06:48:11 pm
Post by: Xifanie on July 01, 2008, 06:48:11 pm
You can take for example Sorcerer, which has Kletian's sprite and add any sprite you want
Basically you can have two sprites for any special jobs but we can't change the default one yet...
You can find a list to help yourself here: http://auritech.fantopolis.com/FFH/psx/sprites.php
Basically you can have two sprites for any special jobs but we can't change the default one yet...
You can find a list to help yourself here: http://auritech.fantopolis.com/FFH/psx/sprites.php
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Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 07:50:05 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 07:50:05 pm
btw zodiac, on your sprites list the original Teta "furaia.spr" is also a type 2 and im pretty sure "Dami.spr" is a "monster" type
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Post by: Xifanie on July 01, 2008, 08:34:04 pm
Post by: Xifanie on July 01, 2008, 08:34:04 pm
I really don't know how I forgot Teta...
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Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 08:53:15 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2008, 08:53:15 pm
well really the sprite is useless other than for story purpose since it is too small to support attacking animations. but i guess for completeness...
its the same size as all of the common townspeople's sprites.
its the same size as all of the common townspeople's sprites.
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Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 01:32:30 am
Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 01:32:30 am
okay this is sweeeet.. but is there a way to make the portrait color work the same way? cause it doesnt seem to change even tho i do have a matching secondary portrait...
(this screenshot shows the same sprite using 2 different palettes sweeet! thanks guys)
Edit:
! doesn't this mean you can create an enemy that looks like a mime... or even a 20yo m /f or anything for that matter with whatever job you want them to have as well?? a mime sprite without the mimic..
you could create generic dark knights/holy knights etc to fight.
i think people being aware of this trick will definately make even more room for customization...
(this screenshot shows the same sprite using 2 different palettes sweeet! thanks guys)
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! doesn't this mean you can create an enemy that looks like a mime... or even a 20yo m /f or anything for that matter with whatever job you want them to have as well?? a mime sprite without the mimic..you could create generic dark knights/holy knights etc to fight.
i think people being aware of this trick will definately make even more room for customization...
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Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 05:33:25 am
Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 05:33:25 am
Oh crap, I never noticed the portrait was unaffected... Maybe the last byte controls the palette of the portrait? Though that'd be weird.
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Post by: Archael on July 02, 2008, 09:22:01 am
Post by: Archael on July 02, 2008, 09:22:01 am
yes you can zozma
in 1.3 we have Generic Holy Swordsmen that look like Knights
generic holy priests that look like priests
generic assassins that look like dancers
generic Princess that looks like a mediator
generic Engineer that looks like a chemist
etc etc for Random Battles, though not all of those required the M. Graphic trick
with the M. Graphic trick you can make whatever job u want look like Bard Dancer or Mime
in 1.3 we have Generic Holy Swordsmen that look like Knights
generic holy priests that look like priests
generic assassins that look like dancers
generic Princess that looks like a mediator
generic Engineer that looks like a chemist
etc etc for Random Battles, though not all of those required the M. Graphic trick
with the M. Graphic trick you can make whatever job u want look like Bard Dancer or Mime
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Post by: Kuraudo Sutoraifu on July 02, 2008, 05:35:27 pm
Post by: Kuraudo Sutoraifu on July 02, 2008, 05:35:27 pm
Me likey the palette swap of Ramza with red armor, btw.
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Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 06:59:05 pm
Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 06:59:05 pm
Basically this is the solution to the non-generics sprites that wwe could not get sprites for ID 80 and over. (80 is male, 81 female, 82 monster and rest doesn't work)
Calc, Bard, Dancer, Mime and all monster sprites were unavailable with that method.
Whoever this method allows choosing a second palette as well, but is much more limited (only 2 sprites per job) and more troublesome.
Calc, Bard, Dancer, Mime and all monster sprites were unavailable with that method.
Whoever this method allows choosing a second palette as well, but is much more limited (only 2 sprites per job) and more troublesome.
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Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 07:59:11 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 07:59:11 pm
one should also be able to create a character like miluda since there is a menu portrait all you have to do is make it so the job has M.Portrait set to hers (this may be the trick to using a recolored portrait huh? if only there is enough room... theres like 2 or 3 empty portrait slots on one of the menu face .bin files (miluda is in that one too)
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Post by: Cheetah on July 02, 2008, 08:05:07 pm
Post by: Cheetah on July 02, 2008, 08:05:07 pm
If I remember correctly there are lots and lots of extra spaces for new portraits. Are we able to reassign the coordinates of the portrait used (not sure if I am using the same terminology)?
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Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 08:09:34 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 08:09:34 pm
we need someone who knows their "coordinates" (thats probably a good term since were talking about portrait locations) probably easily done in a hex editor if we know where all these coordinates are we can do the same for the menu sprites as well assigning the dancer menu sprite to say, lede for example. its the same concept.
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Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 08:18:11 pm
Post by: Xifanie on July 02, 2008, 08:18:11 pm
There is an event instruction that changes the portrait of someone when a dialog of his/her is opened. Whoever it is VERY limited (about 5 portraits) I have no idea how we'd go to implement new ones as I don't even know how to set special portraits like the special monk/thief/mediator.
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Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 08:20:49 pm
Post by: Zozma on July 02, 2008, 08:20:49 pm
miluda and the first special squire you encounter is in the second part of the menu portrait .bin file im sure you can set them with the m.portrait option...
but the big menu portrait file cant yet be edited without damage to other pictures on the file because its compressed...
but the big menu portrait file cant yet be edited without damage to other pictures on the file because its compressed...
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Post by: Cheetah on July 02, 2008, 08:22:04 pm
Post by: Cheetah on July 02, 2008, 08:22:04 pm
It would be very awesome if we could figure out how to implement those special portraits. Obviously the code isn't in the event instructions because they are also present during the battle. But do the events have the portraits individual referenced, or are they getting the information for the portrait to use from a different source?
Sorry I am over my head as I am not a coder, I just hope my questions make sense.
Sorry I am over my head as I am not a coder, I just hope my questions make sense.
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Post by: Xifanie on July 03, 2008, 05:35:05 am
Post by: Xifanie on July 03, 2008, 05:35:05 am
I have no idea where the portraits are loaded from with that instruction but the portrait stays there until the end of the event.
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Post by: Zozma on July 27, 2008, 10:02:55 am
Post by: Zozma on July 27, 2008, 10:02:55 am
ahh okay so i just have to say this in case anyone is running out of duplicate sprites to use for new custom characters. Zalbag's zombie sprite can be merged with his normal sprite (thanks to zodiac for mentioning how to force specials to change colors) with this trick you can make his zombie portrait paste over his normal one in battle, AND make his skin that zombie color too with a second palette thus freeing the zarue2 type1 sprite for use as anything else u want it to be. (and all without affecting his normal arc knight job at all)
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Post by: Zozma on August 11, 2008, 08:08:00 pm
Post by: Zozma on August 11, 2008, 08:08:00 pm
you know what, i think those 5 portraits are at the end of the wldface4 file... i saw miluda and the special squire there
but altogether there are more than 5 special generic portraits...
Miluda
Gariland Squire
Dorter Theif
Monk
Mediator
Ninja
Gustav
Golgaros
but altogether there are more than 5 special generic portraits...
Miluda
Gariland Squire
Dorter Theif
Monk
Mediator
Ninja
Gustav
Golgaros
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Post by: Argg0 on August 12, 2008, 12:03:14 am
Post by: Argg0 on August 12, 2008, 12:03:14 am
Btw...
Units with sprite that way cannot join. They will bug, a lot.
Units with sprite that way cannot join. They will bug, a lot.
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Post by: Zozma on August 12, 2008, 12:30:29 am
Post by: Zozma on August 12, 2008, 12:30:29 am
yeah, i know its specifically for enemy units that i will call doppelgangers
and also level 4 monsters.
and also level 4 monsters.