Final Fantasy Hacktics

I don't claim to be a great pixel artist, and I never will, but I did take a crack at it. It's nothing dazzling, basically some palette edits and some "frankenspriting." (Thanks to Zozma for providing both the body and hair!)

What I'm looking for is someone (who has a better eye than I do for these kinds of things) to maybe just take a look at it and make a few fixes to the sprite. I'm not asking anyone to make a brand new sprite or anything, I did most of the work already (though if you really feel like it, I'd prefer if her outfit were sleeveless, but it's not necessary). I really just need someone to maybe do a few touch-ups, particularly on the arms/hands. I'd much appreciate any help you can give me. You can ignore the mugshot, that's a project I'm working on myself currently and I should finish it sometime soon.

Anyway, anybody is free to use this sprite for whatever as well, and when (and if) someone fixes it up and I finish the portrait, I'll post it up in the submissions (and I'll be sure to give credit to anybody that helps). Thanks in advance; I know you're all very busy people.

EDIT: I've finished the sprite, the completed version is on page three. Please leave any comments or criticism, and I'll do my best to fix them before I submit it.

Also, can you please post a .bmp image?

Yeah, it is a lot faster when you post .bmp

Certainly. Here you go.

Also, I should note that the sprite itself only uses 15 colors; the last color on the palette isn't used anywhere on the sprite. If you'd like to add a new color in somewhere, please feel free to do so.

Once again, thank you.

You should take the south-east facing frame, and increase it's size by 200-400% so that we can see it in more detail to be able to make a better crit.

I'm not looking for critique, I already know I'm not good. I don't need a bunch of people to tell me that.

What I need is just for someone to touch the sprite up a little.

Touch up in what way? I can't see anything wrong with it to be honest.

Occasionally the head and arms disconnect from the body--this can be seen and tested in Shishi. I'd fix it myself, but I haven't the time, the patience, nor the ability to do so. In all honesty the sprite itself looks pretty good--I don't see any problems with her hands or arms or anything like that; it's the placement of the sprite on the sheet that may be causing problems...though I'm not 100% sure.

By the way, her current portrait is actually very cute.

did you test her as a type 1 or type 2 mav because shes a type 2 i can tell by looking at this picture

Ah yes, I should've mentioned that! She is a type 2 sprite, as Zozma pointed out. Thanks for the reminder.

Quote from: "Krobelus"Touch up in what way? I can't see anything wrong with it to be honest.

Maybe I'm just being a perfectionist, but it looks a little like the hands are off in some areas, I think there are blacks where there should be more fleshy tones (maybe a darker brown). I could just be too critical of my own work too, and that's also partially why I wanted someone with more experience to take a look at it.

Quote from: "mav"By the way, her current portrait is actually very cute.

Thank you!

Quote from: "Zozma"did you test her as a type 1 or type 2 mav because shes a type 2 i can tell by looking at this picture

I thought I did Type 2, but apparently I did Type 1. You have a good eye, man.

I actually like that sprite a lot. I might want to use it for new sprites for Celia and Ledde.

its nice, when your done with your testing you should submit it here

http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtop ... sc&start=0 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=405&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Yeah. This is nice.

that sprite is perferct,all the animations are looking properly,the sprite design is awesome,no misplaced pixels and the portrait is perfect,it fits great on that sprite and there arent misplaced pixels also

you should submit it now

btw,you are very good spriter

I can't really say anything about the technical aspect of how the sprite works in the game because it's not really my area and I can't say much about the actual design of the sprite itself because I'd need to see some frames blown up to 200% or 400% to see it properly

Yeah, all you need to do is to test the sprite further.

This Rena is your personal project or hero from some game? There was Rena from Star Ocean 2, but I think that she isn't that Rena.

looking at what parts it is made out of, asmo, id say it functions perfectly unless some arms were shifted or something. its a combo of miluda's head with some editing, and jenna's body. it shouldn't have any bugs at least thats what i get just by looking at it from here. nice and gothic

but i did this for ya a 200%

Give her a wizard's hat then she'd be a witch.
haha..

(http://ffhacktics.com/forum/files/rena_3_198_143.png)
Is this still has 100% quality after zooming?

Anyway, the sprite looks fine. Hmm.. I think I might test it.

hmmm Elidibs hat would make a perfect witch hat......

Aww, I forgot elidibs' hat!

edit, I forgot that she's a type2 sprite.

did you forget? its a type 2 sprite, theres absolutely no reason the arms for this particular sprite should be displaced if you are testing it as the correct type 2 sprite

I actually like the portrait too now that i see it. You managed to alter Miluda enough so that it looks like a different character. To get blue eyes probably is pretty easy to do, if i could get my home internet back id help out

Oops, Sorry. I forgot. Yeah thanks for mentioning it Sir Zozma. I did test her as type1.
So guys, don't bother reading my comments about the displacements.

nevermind, I have removed the image.

This sprite is looking great. Good job ^^

Hmm, as far as giving the portrait blue eyes, it shouldn't be too much of a problem; assuming you can manage to drop to colors to fit in the blues. I didn't think about it till just now, but in Tactics, you tend not to see many eye colors that aren't brown.

all you need for blue is 2 shades of blue and the background color

thats how they did cloud's, it just depends on if its worth the loss of detail

Quote from: "Kagebunji"This Rena is your personal project or hero from some game? There was Rena from Star Ocean 2, but I think that she isn't that Rena.

She is an original character of mine for a project I am currently working on.

Quote from: "Zozma"its a combo of miluda's head with some editing, and jenna's body.

Yes, thank you once again. I wanted to make her more unique by removing the sleeves of her outfit (I have a portrait to match that outfit idea) but I'm afraid I'm just not a good enough sprite artist for that. If someone else would like to do that, I can provide the sleeveless portrait.

EDIT: As for blue eyes on the portrait, there is one color that isn't used much anywhere on it. It could be dropped with no real impact on the portrait. The trick would be finding another one to drop.

once i get my internet back up at home i could take a crack at that portrait thats like tomorrow or the next

I would be honored if you would like to take a crack at the portrait, Zozma!
For reference, the last color on the palette is hardly used and could be easily replaced by a black that's already being used elsewhere, so I would suggest starting there.

Thank you! Indirectly, you've already been a great help by providing pieces of the sprite, and now you're directly contributing! I owe you much.

np, im sure i can get it looking good, i think the portraits cute

Zozma, I have no doubt that anything you do to the portrait will be a great improvement over what I've already done. And thanks for the compliment! I worked hard on the portrait.

Is there anyone that would be willing to attempt making her (that is, the sprite) sleeveless? I really think it suits her better, and the portrait I made for that outfit is much nicer. Really, it would make her more unique from Jenna and at the same time look good on our custom sprite page!

Post the portrait--it may just inspire someone.

Here it is. I think it looks better, anyway.

I don't see anything wrong with that =D The hair is a bit pillow shaded I think, but overall its nice.

Portrait is good looking.

She does indeed look cute ^^

Keep up the good work kafeix!

if i cant do it!.... well smash and curu could, but i know i can get the blue eyes in there

Portrait looks pretty solid if you ask me. Slight outlining in a couple of areas but it's a portrait. You get a pass on small stuff.

Quote from: "Asmo X"Portrait looks pretty solid if you ask me. Slight outlining in a couple of areas but it's a portrait. You get a pass on small stuff.

When I get Zozma's version with the blue eyes, I'll see if I can't go in and fix some of that, and maybe some of the shading too. Someone else said that looked like it was an issue.

EDIT: I'm still looking for someone to make her outfit sleeveless on the sprite, any takers? If not, I suppose I'll take a crack at it myself.

You're already a good spriter, why not practice with an arm replacement? There are a couple sprites out there with bare arms, just experiment. If someone else gives you the final product, that's fine and dandy, but practicing with replacing arms will help you grow as a spriter and a sprite analyst.

I might be able to get the blue eyes in the portrait, assuming no one else is.

okay, i used the portrait out of the sprite itself so youll have to replace the sleeveless but here is the bmp file containing the 16 color palette

and a larger file as a png display

Wow...that's great Sir Zozma. I'm liking the blue eyes ^^
Not much portraits with blue eyes right? Mostly brown and black.

i made 2 sets, the bottom one is if you prefer the blue to be slightly lighter...

nah there arent many with blue eyes. Its easy to make a portrait with brown eyes because they dont have to 'waste' a color since it is shared with the hair color/skin

True...true ^^
Hmm...Both looks good but I think I preferred the one with lighter blue eyes ^^

Great job man. Even with the blue eyes you manage to retain detail pretty damn well.

Quote from: "mav"You're already a good spriter, why not practice with an arm replacement? There are a couple sprites out there with bare arms, just experiment. If someone else gives you the final product, that's fine and dandy, but practicing with replacing arms will help you grow as a spriter and a sprite analyst.

I have actually tried twice, and in both attempts, I failed. It's mostly due to the way Balmafula's (or Jenna's) arms are placed on the sprite -- none of the other bare arms fit quite right. You are right, though; I do need to practice with it.

Unfortunately, it's a tall order for my current skill level (as you can see, I haven't done much here but a palette edit and a head swap), and like everyone else, I've been really busy. I suppose I'll have to suck it up and get down to brass tacks. I'll try to set aside some time for this, but I don't know when (or even if) I'll finish it. Feel free to use it as-is, though.

To Zozma -- You're awesome! Those both look excellent and match the sprite much better! I'm not sure which one to use, though... Which one do you all prefer, personally?

1st one.

i like the 1st one as well, i just made the second one in case anyone thought the blue wasn't noticeable enough

I chose the second one but now take a look again, I think first one is better too ^^
Second blue is lighter but I think first blue is good enough.

I can't decide, to be honest. Probably because both are very nice.

I have to say, since you first showed me the early mugshot in IRC awhile back, I've thought it was a very nice design. And people calling her cute is by far an understatement.

I'm inclined to want to learn more about this character~

Quote from: "Quo"I have to say, since you first showed me the early mugshot in IRC awhile back, I've thought it was a very nice design. And people calling her cute is by far an understatement.

Thank you, I really do appreciate that. My aim was to make her unique and pretty. I still have some work to do on the mugshot, but I'll be incorporating Zozma's edits for sure.

Quote from: "Quo"I'm inclined to want to learn more about this character~

We went over this on IRC... heh. In all seriousness, though, it's heartwarming to see someone interested in the character. If you've any questions, ask me here or on IRC and I'll do my best to answer them!

Quote from: "kafeix"We went over this on IRC... heh.

Not in enough detail... ;)

Sorry I haven't updated in a while, I've been kind of lazy. I've begun work on the sprite's arms... but we'll see how long it takes me to actually finish it all up. The arms that are actually connected to things will give me some problems.

At any rate, here's a preview of what the finished sprite will look like (I haven't edited the portrait yet either, except to add Zozma's edits to the sleeveless version, but I am planning on it).

Better or worse than the original?

Not bad at all. I think it looks great ^^

Looks good, but are the shoulders matching up with the neck properly? Maybe it's just my eyes playing a wacky trick on me...

I noticed that too, and I touched it up.

EDIT: Okay, big update. I think I'm finally finished with the sprite... so, let's put it through the trial, I suppose. I had to be creative with some of the arms in some areas (particularly on the critical and dead sprites), so any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I'm including a blown up version of the basic positions, as well as a finalized portrait.

Fire away!

Forgot that editing old posts won't bump the thread back up for everyone to check out, so here's a bump.  

Tell me whatcha think.

Looks good, though the damage-taking animations seem to be suffering from an extra black pixel. Actually, a couple poses are. Change the background black to some really bright color temporarily and you'll see the minor defects. Hopefully someone will test it out for ya. But to me, the sprite looks damn good.

The sprite was very well done,I tested it myself,397 frames and no fails,I didnt notice any minor defects.

The sprite design is awesome as I said before the update,now it looks awesome and more original,it surely deserves a spot somewhere

Any chances for a name change,her name reminds me a lot of Reno

EDIT:just noticed the portrait at the sheet,you didnt removed the original colors from the pallete,satured red and blue

The blue is used in her eyes and the red is simply an unused color. The sprite itself only uses 15 colors.

I have seen this quite a few times and I like ur Sprite its looks its costume. . . even tested it ingame. . . this maybe small or no significance to you at all but here let me state it.

A well done looking sprite ^^

That's nOT really necessary, seu.
Just replace the brown shade in the eyes to a lighter color, and less saturated that will match the color gray.
Use that color for a gray color, for the eye shade.

That is, if you want to.
It's optional.

The sprite is looking good, I can't see any mistakes etc. But can I sugest hair color swap(at least try), there are so many blondes in FFT

You have extra colors left over, right? For ease's sake, just make them the eye colors or something small but significant.

Quote from: "mav"You have extra colors left over, right? For ease's sake, just make them the eye colors or something small but significant.

Example?

There is nothing to be done,since what mav said is already done,the eyes are blue.

But the pixel above the eye (which is technically the eyebrow) could be some color between the eye color and the eyebrow color. Dark blue, I suppose.

It's not the greatest idea in the world, but whatever.

Is there a precedent for the idea you're suggesting? Maybe if you can name one, I'll take a look at that sprite and see what I can come up with.

No ideas are stupid, I'm open to anything that would enhance the image overall. I appreciate your suggestions.

Quote from: "mav"But the pixel above the eye (which is technically the eyebrow) could be some color between the eye color and the eyebrow color. Dark blue, I suppose.

It's not the greatest idea in the world, but whatever.

sorry, i wouldn't do that if you are planning to match with other sprites which all use that black eyebrow.

its not really necessary to do anything more with the sprite at all. If you replace the blue pixel thats between her eye white and the eyebrow then she will look like she has the typical FFT style eyes which is the best option

Well, the eyes she has currently are pretty much directly ripped from Balmafula, colors and everything, pixel for pixel, so I figured it'd be all right.

EDIT: Also, mav, I fixed those black pixels. Thanks for pointing that out.

Anytime. Honestly, having leftover colors shouldn't be a big deal. Though to be clear I don't think the whole eyebrow color should be replaced, just the one pixel right above the blue on the eyes--basically my suggestion is exactly what Seushiro did...You could also give her one more light hair color, different from the eye color. So if this is ever used as a generic you could probably give her various hair colors for her different palettes without messing up the eyes.

But like I said, it doesn't matter that there are leftover colors--your sprite is top notch already.

Would you mind doing a quick example of what you think would be good, mav? I'm having a hard time trying to picture what you mean.

Meh, it doesn't look good, so I'm not gonna show it. Trust me though, the sprite looks terrific right now. If it's complete, you should submit it.

I submitted it, just gotta wait on Zode to post it up.  

QuoteYou have extra colors left over, right? For ease's sake, just make them the eye colors or something small but significant.

Although not perfect, here's a similar example:

I'd like one day to make a complete set of Vanilla sprites with improved eyes.

Hm, I'll give it a go, Mike and see what I can come up with.

EDIT: Hm, looked pretty decent when I tested it out in-game. I applied the new eyes and outfit changes to the sprite, and re-uploaded the submission. Thanks for the tip.

kafei
submit your sprite

if you really see the need to improve something you always have the option of resubmitting as an update or updating your post before its added by zodiac. but really, some of these things are minor oversights really....

Quote from: "Zozma"if you really see the need to improve something you always have the option of resubmitting as an update or updating your post before its added by zodiac. but really, some of these things are minor oversights really....

lol, I have been doing this; it's been submitted for a few days now. I've updated the post like 5 times now, though, so I'm glad Zodiac hasn't bothered to put them all up yet. I don't think I should have to make another edit for the time being however, so if he puts them all up, I'll be content.

I would like to -eventually- try to fix up the pillow shading on the portrait, but that'll be a big project for me and I don't really feel like doing it any time soon. I need to get to work on my actual hack instead of finding more excuses to put it off... heh.

Maybe Zodiac is still waiting for more sprites.

That's a sexy sprite, Kaf. So sexy, I want to... have a romantic dinner with it...

That wasn't weird at all. Your brain might tell you it was weird, but your brain is a FUCKING LIAR!

.........

Good work, Kaf.

You're good at killing both my thread and the IRC channel.  

Update: Fixed the hair in one of the spear thrust animations to look a little better.