Title: Generic Jobs/major characters makeover Thread
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 04:59:08 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 04:59:08 pm
How hard would it be?
Post them here!
Post them here!
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 05:00:47 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 05:00:47 pm
You mean recoloring? If yes, then it's damn easy.
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Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 05:54:01 pm
Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 05:54:01 pm
Adding new palettes and editing existing palettes takes no time at all, provided you have the right program. Creating new palettes from scratch is doable. But if you're asking about replacing sprites all together, that too is pretty simple with Shishi.
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Post by: ArkDelgato on August 29, 2009, 05:54:48 pm
Post by: ArkDelgato on August 29, 2009, 05:54:48 pm
It would be more of a tedious job, that's a lot of new sprites to make.
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Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:02:22 pm
Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:02:22 pm
Ah, I should clarify: replacing generics with completed sprites is pretty simple; designing those sprites, their palettes, and their portraits is time-consuming.
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:04:13 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:04:13 pm
Well maybe just new pallettes colors.....I'm kinda bored of the old ones....i should have worded it better.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:09:15 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:09:15 pm
Here is example of how easy it is:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/1z1bwuc.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/1z1bwuc.jpg)
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:10:04 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:10:04 pm
Kool. How do you do it? I mean I've been recoloring a few things in paint but it takes FOREVER.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:13:08 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:13:08 pm
GraphicsGale, you can recolor everything in no time.
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:14:06 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:14:06 pm
Sweet, time to get that. Lol. Thank you for the info.
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Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:14:42 pm
Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:14:42 pm
All you really need is Graphics Gale: go to the palette and replace the colors as necessary, save the BMP, import the sprite and its new palettes over the existing sprite and you're done. Although it may take some time, it's not difficult--I've been toying around with the idea of changing out palettes myself...but I'm lazy.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:26:55 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:26:55 pm
How about changing this topic into place where everyone can post their remakes of jobs? It may turn out well, btw here is another one:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/1051wmd.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/1051wmd.jpg)
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:36:44 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:36:44 pm
Sounds awesome ill rename the topic and start on one.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:43:37 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 29, 2009, 06:43:37 pm
Look! Old Wiegraf!
(http://i28.tinypic.com/28l7x94.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/28l7x94.jpg)
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:48:20 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 29, 2009, 06:48:20 pm
hehe. Is there a way to swap colors with graphics gale other then color fill?
I don't see how to just swap the pallettes...makes me feel stupid..
I don't see how to just swap the pallettes...makes me feel stupid..
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Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:48:20 pm
Post by: mav on August 29, 2009, 06:48:20 pm
Hah! Old man Wiegraf looks pretty awesome, in my opinion.
I might do a recolor of the Male Thief later this week; I'll be sure to post it.
I might do a recolor of the Male Thief later this week; I'll be sure to post it.
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 29, 2009, 08:37:12 pm
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 29, 2009, 08:37:12 pm
Quotehehe. Is there a way to swap colors with graphics gale other then color fill?
I don't see how to just swap the pallettes...makes me feel stupid..
Yes! Please do remember to set the color depth to 16 or 256, in order to swap them.
I think you could try dragging the color. haha.
Mav, since *i think* we need a dark knight in Mercenaries,
can do you a recoloring for the Female Knight to make her a Dark Knight?
Thanks!
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Post by: Skip Sandwich on August 29, 2009, 08:42:00 pm
Post by: Skip Sandwich on August 29, 2009, 08:42:00 pm
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtop ... 34&start=0 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&start=0)
AuraDragon made some really awesome generic Holy and Dark knight sprites, so check that out, the sprites for the female versions are towards the end of the thread.
AuraDragon made some really awesome generic Holy and Dark knight sprites, so check that out, the sprites for the female versions are towards the end of the thread.
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Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 30, 2009, 02:41:12 am
Post by: MiKeMiTchi on August 30, 2009, 02:41:12 am
pretty nifty. Thanks! 
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Post by: mav on August 30, 2009, 11:40:24 am
Post by: mav on August 30, 2009, 11:40:24 am
All we need for AuraDragon's sprites (which are phenomenally gorgeous) are a couple portraits and then we'll be set. Maybe palettes too--I dunno...
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Post by: Nagafen on August 30, 2009, 11:49:05 am
Post by: Nagafen on August 30, 2009, 11:49:05 am
(First post in what seem's like forever)
Hm. I keep wondering. How do you edit portrait's? I always find they come up in a slightly different colour then they're displayed ingame when I export the .BMP.
Hm. I keep wondering. How do you edit portrait's? I always find they come up in a slightly different colour then they're displayed ingame when I export the .BMP.
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Post by: mav on August 30, 2009, 12:31:55 pm
Post by: mav on August 30, 2009, 12:31:55 pm
Alright the best for me to explain is as follows. If you export the BMP of a sprite from Shishi and open it in Graphics Gale you'll see the following window for the palette on that sprite:
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/ajora_palette_553.png)
That first row of colors corresponds to the sprite. The ninth row corresponds to the portrait.
Although the portrait on the BMP looks like nonsense, when you edit those colors and save the image you can see the differences in Shishi.
Now, to edit a portrait's colors by hand and with ease, you can create a separate image of the portrait with the correct colors (crop the image out in Paint or some other program) and open that in Graphics Gale. Proceed to edit that image's palette (you'll see the changes as you do them now), then hit "Save Palette" (if necessary, I'll post an image of the "Save Palette" option.)
Now copy that image and place it correctly onto the BMP of the sprite and hit "Load Palette" and copy the colors into the ninth slot.
And voila, you will have your edited portrait with the correct colors.
Hopefully that made sense: it sounds a bit more complicated than it really is. And hopefully I didn't completely mess up some step...
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/ajora_palette_553.png)
That first row of colors corresponds to the sprite. The ninth row corresponds to the portrait.
Although the portrait on the BMP looks like nonsense, when you edit those colors and save the image you can see the differences in Shishi.
Now, to edit a portrait's colors by hand and with ease, you can create a separate image of the portrait with the correct colors (crop the image out in Paint or some other program) and open that in Graphics Gale. Proceed to edit that image's palette (you'll see the changes as you do them now), then hit "Save Palette" (if necessary, I'll post an image of the "Save Palette" option.)
Now copy that image and place it correctly onto the BMP of the sprite and hit "Load Palette" and copy the colors into the ninth slot.
And voila, you will have your edited portrait with the correct colors.
Hopefully that made sense: it sounds a bit more complicated than it really is. And hopefully I didn't completely mess up some step...
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Post by: Nagafen on August 30, 2009, 12:54:55 pm
Post by: Nagafen on August 30, 2009, 12:54:55 pm
Ah..thank you. ^^
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Post by: Kokojo on August 30, 2009, 02:38:11 pm
Post by: Kokojo on August 30, 2009, 02:38:11 pm
Yes, if anyone could finish the FDK and FHK sprites, it could be awesome...
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 30, 2009, 03:05:10 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 30, 2009, 03:05:10 pm
I recolored Altima a bit, cause I was bored:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/dqrrlg.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/dqrrlg.jpg)
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 30, 2009, 08:12:54 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 30, 2009, 08:12:54 pm
(http://i25.tinypic.com/kyi9u.png)
I began work on Veteran knight, a lot will be changed so don't worry.
I began work on Veteran knight, a lot will be changed so don't worry.
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Post by: Setzer on August 30, 2009, 08:14:46 pm
Post by: Setzer on August 30, 2009, 08:14:46 pm
Last week I recolored some Lucavi sprites for my patch:
http://i29.tinypic.com/2h7lwur.jpg (http://i29.tinypic.com/2h7lwur.jpg)
http://i29.tinypic.com/33wb79x.jpg (http://i29.tinypic.com/33wb79x.jpg)
http://i26.tinypic.com/jal8xt.jpg (http://i26.tinypic.com/jal8xt.jpg)
Oh, I'm a long time lurker ^^
http://i29.tinypic.com/2h7lwur.jpg (http://i29.tinypic.com/2h7lwur.jpg)
http://i29.tinypic.com/33wb79x.jpg (http://i29.tinypic.com/33wb79x.jpg)
http://i26.tinypic.com/jal8xt.jpg (http://i26.tinypic.com/jal8xt.jpg)
Oh, I'm a long time lurker ^^
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 30, 2009, 08:16:58 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 30, 2009, 08:16:58 pm
awesome knight
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 30, 2009, 09:49:21 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 30, 2009, 09:49:21 pm
Here, a very simple knight recolor, my first hand at spriting, or pallette editing or anything. I think the red is too bright though...
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Post by: Zalge on August 30, 2009, 10:04:12 pm
Post by: Zalge on August 30, 2009, 10:04:12 pm
Yeah, make the red less saturated. Try borrowing it from another sprite or something.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 31, 2009, 06:01:44 am
Post by: Kagebunji on August 31, 2009, 06:01:44 am
I had the same problem with saturation when I started, you will learn soon how to make it non-saturated
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Post by: Asmo X on August 31, 2009, 06:11:15 am
Post by: Asmo X on August 31, 2009, 06:11:15 am
Generalstrife, you've also got some negative shading going on around the thighs. The best way to do a simple recolour is to find out what colour you want the part to be and then open the sprite database and find the palette there. Also take note of how many colours there are. For instance, if you want to change a gray shirt to blue, see how many grays are used and then find a sprite that uses the equivalent amount of blues. Then it's just a matter of swapping in all the equivalent shades. This doesn't work 100% of the time though due to texture (usually armour vs cloth) but you should rarely run into any problems using it.
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Post by: GeneralStrife on August 31, 2009, 08:29:29 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on August 31, 2009, 08:29:29 pm
Thanks asmo.