Title: What can we currently do?
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 07:59:37 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 07:59:37 pm
First of all I'd like to say Hello to everyone on these forums ^^ I've been reading various things and messing around with hex editing so far and now I'm starting to get into spriting. This isn't one of those questions about how to change sprites and make sprites etc. Instead I'd like to know if the Attack command still shows the original sprite instead of the new one you changed it to. Also, can we change the sprites displayed on the job wheel yet? If not what types of work-arounds are there besides not using the Attack command or the generics for getting the most out of the custom sprite experience?
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 08:07:41 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 08:07:41 pm
the sprites are fully alterable in nearly every aspect.
the types can be changed makig all the arms and parts connect properly.
the menu sprites can now be changed as well, but(this is the "nearly" part that i was referring to) they have to be the jobs that already have an existing menu sprite, we can't add new ones to jobs that never had it
this also includes job 12 (Dead Malak), job 14 (Final Alma), job 1C (Teta) allthough it might not appear so, the sprites seen in the menu for them are just leftover junk
the types can be changed makig all the arms and parts connect properly.
the menu sprites can now be changed as well, but(this is the "nearly" part that i was referring to) they have to be the jobs that already have an existing menu sprite, we can't add new ones to jobs that never had it
this also includes job 12 (Dead Malak), job 14 (Final Alma), job 1C (Teta) allthough it might not appear so, the sprites seen in the menu for them are just leftover junk
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 08:20:26 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 08:20:26 pm
By "an existing menu sprite" do you mean the sprites that are displayed on the formation menu where you change your unit's equipment and change jobs etc.?
So you're basically saying that any sprite that can normally be displayed on this menu at some point in the game can be changed, right? Such as generic character sprites and the guest characters that you can eventually add to your party?
So you're basically saying that any sprite that can normally be displayed on this menu at some point in the game can be changed, right? Such as generic character sprites and the guest characters that you can eventually add to your party?
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 08:43:42 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 08:43:42 pm
yeah, any job that can be seen in the menu at some point in the game,
generifcs, specials that join, guests,
also including balmafula, olan, and simon
generifcs, specials that join, guests,
also including balmafula, olan, and simon
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:19:03 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:19:03 pm
Ah okay, thanks Zozma ^^
So far, I plan on changing the sprites for a few generic characters only. Would you recommend that I use the expansion patch or is it not really necessary?
So far, I plan on changing the sprites for a few generic characters only. Would you recommend that I use the expansion patch or is it not really necessary?
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 09:27:17 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 09:27:17 pm
yes, first use the expansion patch, and then use the latest version of shishi which should ask you to "reconstruct" your iso (if it doesn't then its probably not the latest version)
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:35:33 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:35:33 pm
K ^^
I have a question totally unrelated to this topic for you Zozma, just a quick, simple question. Have you or Vanya ever found the value for the "Throw" ball/bomb effects after the item effects in BATTLE.BIN?
I have a question totally unrelated to this topic for you Zozma, just a quick, simple question. Have you or Vanya ever found the value for the "Throw" ball/bomb effects after the item effects in BATTLE.BIN?
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 09:42:47 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 09:42:47 pm
they seem to be hard coded to show those lvl1 elemental effects 
unfortunately we have not found where exactly those are assigned
unfortunately we have not found where exactly those are assigned
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:56:59 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 09:56:59 pm
Darn ;_; This is why I figured changing the sprites of the generic characters could help me come up with the ninja idea I have. Like, "removing" Ninja from the game by setting it's job requirement to lv. 8 Ninja, then taking one of the characters I don't care for like Mediator/Orator and changing it's sprite to the Ninja Sprite, THEN renaming the job and "Talk Skill" through hex editing or FFTacText if it works and adding my own customized versions of the Truth and Un-truth spells to create a Ninjutsu skillset.
I'd name some of the abilities Katon (fire), Doton (earth), Suiton (water), Huton (wind), Hyoton (ice), and Raiton (lightning). But I'm having a problem making with the ice one, Hyoton. I have no idea how to change the sound of space Storage (the move I'd use to create Hyoton). I also plan on adding a status ailment to each of them, something that corresponds to it's element. Katon would inflict berserk, Suiton would inflict frog, Doton would inflict slow, etc.
I'd name some of the abilities Katon (fire), Doton (earth), Suiton (water), Huton (wind), Hyoton (ice), and Raiton (lightning). But I'm having a problem making with the ice one, Hyoton. I have no idea how to change the sound of space Storage (the move I'd use to create Hyoton). I also plan on adding a status ailment to each of them, something that corresponds to it's element. Katon would inflict berserk, Suiton would inflict frog, Doton would inflict slow, etc.
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 10:03:58 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 10:03:58 pm
i turned rafa and malak into those kind of "ninja" they had 3 skills
"fire skean"
"water skean"
"thunder skean"
which i guess i could give those names. anyway their skills have a draw out radius and i used triple flame, triple thunder, and a custom water effect to make them. but they were guests only so no one gets to have those skills in your party.
"fire skean"
"water skean"
"thunder skean"
which i guess i could give those names. anyway their skills have a draw out radius and i used triple flame, triple thunder, and a custom water effect to make them. but they were guests only so no one gets to have those skills in your party.
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:14:51 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:14:51 pm
I like those names, they sound familiar... were they in FFVI? It's been so long since I played FFVI...
I stole mine from the FFXI ninjutsu lol
I stole mine from the FFXI ninjutsu lol
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Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 10:20:19 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 26, 2009, 10:20:19 pm
yeah ffvi shadow's throwing items
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:28:57 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:28:57 pm
Shadow was awesome...
I'm a ninja fanatic
and a blue mage fanatic but I haven't worked on a blue magic skillset yet, I want to see if I can make a blue mage sprite first. I HAVE looked at how some of the monster skills look on humans though. I'm just afraid that if I change the battle animation for some of them, the monsters would look silly when they use their skill
I'm a ninja fanatic
and a blue mage fanatic but I haven't worked on a blue magic skillset yet, I want to see if I can make a blue mage sprite first. I HAVE looked at how some of the monster skills look on humans though. I'm just afraid that if I change the battle animation for some of them, the monsters would look silly when they use their skill
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Post by: Smash on May 26, 2009, 10:34:33 pm
Post by: Smash on May 26, 2009, 10:34:33 pm
Pardon my intrusion, but, hey Zozma, how the hell can you edit effect files..? I've been in need of a decent water spell as of late, and the elemental isn't enough..
I must have missed the tut for this.
And Ryu: WELCOME TO FFH, WHERE ALL OF YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE
I must have missed the tut for this.
And Ryu: WELCOME TO FFH, WHERE ALL OF YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE
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Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:39:41 pm
Post by: Ryu on May 26, 2009, 10:39:41 pm
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtop ... &start=260 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=260) Scroll down a bit and Vanya has a Tut
And thank you Smash ^^ love your Kent, Sain, and Cavalier sprites!
And thank you Smash ^^ love your Kent, Sain, and Cavalier sprites!
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Post by: Smash on May 26, 2009, 10:48:31 pm
Post by: Smash on May 26, 2009, 10:48:31 pm
Thnx.
Tile molester, heh.
I remember I downloaded that program some months ago on TSR for the sole purpose of ripping sprites.
Tile molester, heh.
I remember I downloaded that program some months ago on TSR for the sole purpose of ripping sprites.
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Post by: Zozma on May 27, 2009, 12:04:48 am
Post by: Zozma on May 27, 2009, 12:04:48 am
smash, ill send you my water effects if you'd like
i made a watera effect based on bio2
and a waterga effect based on bio3. actually here they are for e'erbody
note: the effect number i have there is the number of the effect file i inserted it into for my own patch
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i actually used 3 programs, tile layer pro and snespal (for finding the hex locations of the color palettes), and a hex editor to copy and paste color palette data from one effect to another. as you might guess, i copied "hydragon pit" colors and pasted them into bio2 and bio3 and then used tyle layer pro to copy/paste the bubbles. Bio 1 does not work the same way as it still tints the screen an undesirable color, like green or pink
here are some extra's too.
Ice Soul turned into "earth soul" and a Purple Cure 1
i made a watera effect based on bio2
and a waterga effect based on bio3. actually here they are for e'erbody
note: the effect number i have there is the number of the effect file i inserted it into for my own patch
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i actually used 3 programs, tile layer pro and snespal (for finding the hex locations of the color palettes), and a hex editor to copy and paste color palette data from one effect to another. as you might guess, i copied "hydragon pit" colors and pasted them into bio2 and bio3 and then used tyle layer pro to copy/paste the bubbles. Bio 1 does not work the same way as it still tints the screen an undesirable color, like green or pink
here are some extra's too.
Ice Soul turned into "earth soul" and a Purple Cure 1
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Post by: Smash on May 27, 2009, 02:08:47 am
Post by: Smash on May 27, 2009, 02:08:47 am
Epic.
Now, to find out how to apply them.
Now, to find out how to apply them.
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Post by: Zozma on May 27, 2009, 02:13:30 am
Post by: Zozma on May 27, 2009, 02:13:30 am
smash its easy
effect 216 for example is one of the bio effect files
(i consolidated all the bio spells into just the 3 green ones so i have extra spell slots to use, who the hell needs 10 versions of bio for what should just be 3 fucking spells lol)
you can use cdmage or i use cdprog and insert THIS file into the effect slot that you want to write over. in my case i inserted each of these over the effect number you see them labled as
beware that not all effects are compatible with being inserted over just any other effect. some work fine and others crash or freeze the game.
effect 216 for example is one of the bio effect files
(i consolidated all the bio spells into just the 3 green ones so i have extra spell slots to use, who the hell needs 10 versions of bio for what should just be 3 fucking spells lol)
you can use cdmage or i use cdprog and insert THIS file into the effect slot that you want to write over. in my case i inserted each of these over the effect number you see them labled as
beware that not all effects are compatible with being inserted over just any other effect. some work fine and others crash or freeze the game.