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Title: Pokemon's Truth? - A theoretical insight
Post by: Verdeni on April 14, 2009, 06:11:02 am
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Post by: Dome on April 14, 2009, 07:31:16 am
Reading all this was like an hallucinogenic trip xD
Btw it has some sense, and it could be true if pokemon was a good game/cartoon
But it's just something made for 3 years children and they could never came up with such ending...
P.s:BTW...
I used to watch cartoon in tv and it sucks.
I play pokemon diamond pearl and it's a pretty game, but nothing more xD
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Post by: tithin on April 14, 2009, 08:09:58 am
what the fuck is this shit
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Post by: Verdeni on April 14, 2009, 08:19:07 am
It's something I thought was interesting.

Sorry for sharing?  :?
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Post by: Dome on April 14, 2009, 08:21:01 am
Quote from: "Verdeni"...

It's something I thought was interesting.
Everyone has his own opinion... ^_^
I think it's interesting and impossible...xD
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Post by: philsov on April 14, 2009, 09:46:37 am
"and then he woke up.  the end."
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 14, 2009, 11:26:34 am
Decent theory.
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Post by: Verdeni on April 14, 2009, 02:16:10 pm
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"Decent theory.

That's what I thought, just something to consider.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 14, 2009, 02:17:43 pm
Indeed.

I have a theory about stupid people. It is that they pay the ultimate price for their stupidity in the end, funny enough I can get a ton of examples from FMA.
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Post by: philsov on April 14, 2009, 02:45:36 pm
FINAL FANTASY TACTICS EXPLAINED

"Have you ever noticed that the pacing, tone and story development of Final Fantasy Tactics changes after Ramza is near an exploding fort in chapter 1, how Ramza and his world were relatively normal until after the incident?

I have a theory.

The accidental dosage of mosfungus put Ramza into a coma. Days later he was found and was hurried to the hospital in the slums and treated with heavy medications, which is why Dycegarg became less menacing. The medication took effect and stabilized his coma dreams so that instead of being terrifying, they became idyllic, allowing him to live out his final fantasy fantasies.

After the chapter 1, the game is the result of Ramza's subconscious mind fulfilling his desires, as well as attempting to escape reality. Should Ramza realize he's in a coma, he would wake up, but suffer brain damage, so he must take down all of his mental barriers one by one until he can come to grips with who he is and escape his coma (since his mind will not allow him to escape until he's come to terms with himself).

Further evidence comes from the realization that even though his journeys take him vast distances, he never travels on a chocobo due to having developed a phobia.

The coma and fantasy explains why he doesn't change much physically. It also explains the worldwide feudelism, as he thought up a system of government that would run not smoothly and keep the world going, allowing his adventures to work like they do. It also explains how a Holy Knight can go off on his own into a world full of dangerous and untamed animals, and why town has the same shop vendor and every Bar has the exact same bartender. Delita and Alma he knew from his hometown, and they act as a safety net or anchor, allowing him to feel safe no matter where he goes. Delita and Alma represent stability. Professor Daravon represent Ramza's ideals, which is why Olan became a professor. The fantasy also explains why every time he enters a new region, virtually no one has heard of him, despite his conquests. How could Bariten, the rival of the Riovanes area, not know of someone who has been branded a heretic by the Church and has destroyed Cardinal and the Death Corps?

Moving on to the characters closer to him, Ramza's traveling partners are aspects of himself that he can enjoy, but doesn't like to associate with himself. Agrias is Ramza's repressed sexuality. Ramza fell into the coma a virgin and needed an outlet for his growing sexual frustrations -- since he can never experience sex, Mustadio must never succeed. But Mustadio isn't just a projection of Ramza's sexuality, he is also a projection of Ramza's fatherly instincts. Mustadio leaves his father to journey with Ramza because Ramza can't cope with having that much responsibility at his age. Mustadio's stay with Worker 8 was an attempt to outright suppress his sexuality. You may notice that Delita got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy-feely with his chocobo and exposing most of his backstory. Ramza didn't enjoy this much, which is why Mustadio comes back horrified and refuses to speak about it (Ramza's subconscious was repressing him at the time, so other than a general feeling of dread, he has no idea of what happened). Further evidence of Mustadio being Ash's sexuality is that he keeps returning to the series after Ramza meets a new girl aspect of himself.

Agrias is the first such aspect we encounter. Because she is the first and because she is merely an aspect of Ramza are explanations for why Agrias plays so prominently in the show but is ultimately unattainable (because he never really knew her before the coma). Since Agrias is his initial love interest -- if only subconsciously -- he needed her to reach a certain level of womanhood. He felt that people could only have relationships after they've matured. In practice, though, he finds that he can't cope with it (lacking the real-world experience) and wants the normal pushy, arrogant Agrias he knew, thus not letting her keep Lavian. We can see this arc in the constant berating of his sexuality (Mustadio), but her eventual mellowing until she had faded into the background. Since Ramza was quite attached to her, this was traumatizing and after this experience, anyone around him "threatening" to mature quickly ends up leaving for another, more naive fill-in.

TG Cid is what Ramza wants to be. He is wish fulfillment. He succeeded, and then settled down to a normal life. Ramza needs someone to succeed in his world or he won't be able to validate it and will start questioning why he is where he is. It's a subconscious trap to keep him from becoming too aware of his situation. His mind must have figured out that awareness of the coma would snap him out of it, but it would cause brain damage, so it took something the boy already loved and built a way out for him with it. However, Ramza is too complacent to make a final stand and fight his way out of it, and so cannot escape. This is why he keeps encountering Zodiac demons. They're his mind's way of showing him he can do great things if he tries, and it's a way to encourage him to push forwards.

The Shrine Knights are the qualities of himself that Ramza deems "negative" but is coming to terms with. Ovelia and Delita want to appease the church, Ramza's father figure, and Ovelia will trick the submissive Delita into doing her bidding to achieve this. Boco especially wants to appease him because he remembers the good times with the church. This places Boco in a category known as Ramza's (corrupted) innocence. This is apparent because Boco is able to speak. In fact, the whole reason Boco can speak is so that Ash can eventually accept the aspects of the church as parts of himself.

Ramza has issues with his father, so he put him on his death bed and finally killed him. There may be an actual church (in the real world) but it's doubtful that Ramza's father is their leader. Ramza likely feels that the split between his parents was partly his fault, but also partly blames his father. The split caused his mother to move out of the city, down to Goug Machine City and is one reason why Ash initially embarks upon the journey: to escape the turmoil at home. But the whole organization, including Izlude and Meliadoul, is symbolic of his inability to escape the church's machinations.

Delita is implied homosexuality (which does not necessarily make Ramza homosexual) and gullibility, and Ovelia is vanity and manipulation. Since Boco has the potential for rehabilitation, and doesn't want to be evil, this once again fits in with the conflicting personalities and demonized-self theory. The church cross-dresses (have you SEEN the male priests?) because Ramza is exploring his sexuality (a different facet than what Mustadio represents) and this was a method that allowed his gay/vain side to experiment freely. When he found that it wasn't something for him, his "free" side stopped playing with it.

Malak came with Rafa. He played the ego and she played the id with great aspirations in that "session". They worked for a little while, but with Ramza being a teenager, his sexuality had to come back into play. He kept reinventing himself and eventually wrote new aspects, but his mind slowly brought the old ones back as a crutch to make the transition easier.

Balmafula is Ramza giving himself a chance to love. Since he already established Agrias as someone he's not likely to go anywhere with, he created a new super female, one that was more like him, and less violent. You may note that while both Rafa and Agrias had no tolerance for Mustadio, Balmafula seems to try to shrug it off.

Weigref was a possible future for Ramza that he discarded. This future was one that he sent off to work with the knights (Ramza's ultimate ideal of a father figure) when Weigraf disrupted the dynamic Ramza had with his other possibilities. With Ramza's mind fighting the coma and Ramza viewing this person as a companion, Weigraf was quickly replaced with a more threatening rival.

Alma represents Ramza's humanity, hence the episodes where they get separated and Ramza wants desperately to find her, even to the point of working with the church (aspects of himself he would never normally associate with) but for some reason cannot. The church want to steal Alma and hand him over to Ajora. Delita and Ovelia will always oppose Ramza because Ramza is terrified of the thought of his humanity lying in the hands of Ajora. However, this is the same reason that he will work with those aspects of himself in order to save his humanity from just becoming flat out lost. Ramza couldn't transform Alma because that would mean challenging his concept of who he was, which was something he wasn't comfortable with while still working through his original issues.

The narrator is Ramza's higher mind, recapping and explaining the progress he's made and the tribulations he will face, allowing itself insight into how best to awaken him.

The church's methods gradually become more and more ludicrous because Ramza is only a child dreaming these things up. That is why the church's disguises are always believed. He knows it's them (at least on a subconscious level), but chooses to ignore it so that he can better himself. In a sense, the Ramza who wants to escape is sabotaging the Ramza who wants to stay lost in his mind so that there can be more conflict, and hopefully an eventual escape. The escape being a consequence of coming to terms with who he is, as, mentioned previously, the church is a method for Ramza to deal with grounds he's uncomfortable with tackling on his own.

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Sorry, can't take this BS any more.  But the mad lib was fun while it lasted.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 14, 2009, 03:00:06 pm
......................woah
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Post by: akwikone on April 14, 2009, 04:21:48 pm
^I agree
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Post by: gojoe on April 14, 2009, 04:36:58 pm
I came twice, un-came once, then came five more times before it started bleeding.
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Post by: SentinalBlade on April 14, 2009, 04:59:46 pm
QuoteFurther evidence comes from the realization that even though his journeys take him vast distances, he never travels on a chocobo due to having developed a phobia

QuoteYou may notice that Delita got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy-feely with his chocobo and exposing most of his backstory. Ramza didn't enjoy this much, which is why Mustadio comes back horrified and refuses to speak about it

ROFL,  thanks for making my day guys
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Post by: Xifanie on April 14, 2009, 09:35:12 pm
tl;dr x2 :(
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Post by: Zalge on April 14, 2009, 09:58:36 pm
... Nice.
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Post by: ffzman on April 14, 2009, 10:42:20 pm
Quote from: "gojoe"I came twice, un-came once, then came five more times before it started bleeding.

.....how do you un-come?




Nevermind I don't want to know.
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Post by: akwikone on April 14, 2009, 11:18:57 pm
think shopvac
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Post by: ffzman on April 14, 2009, 11:24:51 pm
Quote from: "akwikone"think shopvac

Nah it's still coming out though...........unless you're putting it in reverse.
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Post by: akwikone on April 14, 2009, 11:32:52 pm
ok, think turkey baster(sp), it works two way
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Post by: CidIII on April 16, 2009, 10:21:52 pm
Fucking neo-freudians ruining Pokemon.

The whole theory is a rationalization to make sense of the unrealistic world of Pokemon. The person who developed the theory is having a conflict between his childhood and maturity. This conflict reveals him to be unable to cope with the fact that Pokemon is actually a childrens anime which is a poorly scripted piece of shit, that virtually makes no sense. Thus, he crafts a clever theory which is highly based on assumptions that the people who made Pokemon actually drafted out a 700 page thrilling novel detailing the mental conflicts of the comatose ten year old Ash Ketchum, before releasing it to an elementary school audience, whom they knew would obviously have extensive knowledge of psychology and would be able to grasp the complexity that is Pokemon. In this theory all plot holes and inconsistencies are explained by mental blocks, or because Brock never gets any pussy.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 16, 2009, 10:29:52 pm
Cid buddy it's a joke.

Everyone knows Pokemon is fiction and doesn't need to make sense.

We just like making fun of the anime.
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Post by: CidIII on April 16, 2009, 10:32:05 pm
People don't write 3,000+ word theories on Pokemon that aren't funny as a "joke".
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Post by: Kaijyuu on April 16, 2009, 10:33:38 pm
Yes, yes they do.
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Post by: Archael on April 16, 2009, 10:33:43 pm
Quote from: "CidIII"People don't write 3,000+ word theories on Pokemon that aren't funny as a "joke".

I agree with CidIII

pokemon and the guy who wrote this are both fagg0ts
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 16, 2009, 10:34:14 pm
And I don't disagree Arch.
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Post by: CidIII on April 16, 2009, 10:38:54 pm
Sure it's a believable theory, but as philsov almost showed anything with a good amount of characters can be plugged into the theory and it will be believable to a person who wants to believe it.

Sort of like horoscopes or "psychics".
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 16, 2009, 10:40:34 pm
Quote from: "CidIII"Sure it's a believable theory, but as philsov almost showed anything with a good amount of characters can be plugged into the theory and it will be believable to a person who wants to believe it.

Sort of like horoscopes or "psychics".


I think philsov was just madlibbing for laughs.

Which it got.

Though you are right you can dig really deep into anything and reveal a "gem" that doesn't even exist.
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Post by: Archael on April 16, 2009, 10:41:24 pm
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"And I don't disagree Arch.

I did not say you disagree

I wasn't even quoting one of your posts

are you posting just for postings sake again?

please stop spamming
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Post by: ffzman on April 16, 2009, 10:44:00 pm
Quote from: "CidIII"Sure it's a believable theory, but as philsov almost showed anything with a good amount of characters can be plugged into the theory and it will be believable to a person who wants to believe it.

Sort of like horoscopes or "psychics".

Someone please tell me I'm not the only one that initially read psychics as physics and went "wait wtf?"
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Post by: CidIII on April 16, 2009, 10:44:06 pm
It is a give and take quality of human beings.

A quality that allows us to create and love, but also spawns hatred and makes us look like fools.
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Post by: ffzman on April 16, 2009, 10:45:08 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort"
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"And I don't disagree Arch.

I did not say you disagree

I wasn't even quoting one of your posts

are you posting just for postings sake again?

please stop spamming

Yeah stop spamming, what is this, some kind of spam forum or something?
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Post by: CidIII on April 16, 2009, 10:46:02 pm
Quote from: "ffzman"Someone please tell me I'm not the only one that initially read psychics as physics and went "wait wtf?"

Well, physics doesn't exist either.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 16, 2009, 10:46:54 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort"I did not say you disagree

Did I say you did?

Fail

QuoteI wasn't even quoting one of your posts

So what is your point.

R-tard.

Quoteare you posting just for postings sake again?

Does that even matter anymore? This is spam.

Idiot. GOD!

Quoteplease stop spamming

Only after you do.


I don't see why you do this if you are going to lose.
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Post by: Archael on April 16, 2009, 11:02:17 pm
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"
Quote from: "Voldemort"I did not say you disagree

Did I say you did?

Fail

what? you posted to say that you don't disagree

who the fuck does that


QuoteI wasn't even quoting one of your posts

So what is your point.

R-tard.

you were talking to me

except I wasn't talking to you



Quoteare you posting just for postings sake again?

Does that even matter anymore? This is spam.

Idiot. GOD!


there's spamming and there's quality spamming



QuoteOnly after you do.

my posts, while in the spam forum, actually say stuff besides "ok" and "I agree" "I disagree"




QuoteI don't see why you do this if you are going to lose.

in order to tree quote, you have to actually have something worth saying
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Post by: Goomba on April 16, 2009, 11:43:20 pm
...Now the most important question in this thread is why Arch would wait until now to get on Paul's case about the lack of content in his posts when he's been doing this forever. It's nothing new. We should accept people's quirks as part of who they are and live in harmony.


It's like Vanya's ^_^s and TRC's >_>s. We grow used to it.
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Post by: CidIII on April 17, 2009, 12:27:08 am
We should write a fantasy novel.
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Post by: Archael on April 17, 2009, 12:35:49 am
are you kidding me

I've been on his case forever about that lol
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Post by: philsov on April 17, 2009, 10:35:08 am
QuoteSure it's a believable theory, but as philsov almost showed anything with a good amount of characters can be plugged into the theory and it will be believable to a person who wants to believe it.

!

I was being serious!

Chapter 1 rocked.  Then fort zeakden happened and all this holy stone/zodiac demon postmodern BS started getting splattered everywhere.

And then at the end Ramza is seen on a chocobo!  All has been reconciled!
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 17, 2009, 11:12:54 am
Quote from: "Voldemort"are you kidding me

I've been on his case forever about that lol

He has. It is mostly on IRC and he doesn't mean it. I think he's used to it and just feels like spamming me about it every once in a while.
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Post by: Kuraudo Sutoraifu on April 17, 2009, 03:33:08 pm
If the neo-Freudian Pokemon explanation could explain the PokeRap, then I'd submit to it tenets.
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Post by: CidIII on April 17, 2009, 11:31:59 pm
I don't think even the person who made the PokeRap could explain it.

He'd probably say that Ash's dreamland was giving in to his unconscious desire to be a thugged up rapper who can spit mad rhymes, a possible future for Ash that he pushed away because his father sexually assaulted him.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 18, 2009, 10:10:07 am
Quotebecause his father sexually assaulted him


You win sir claim your prize.