Title: Creating / editing a sprite to include all of Ramza's poses
Post by: Azrael on April 03, 2009, 12:05:30 am
Post by: Azrael on April 03, 2009, 12:05:30 am
..is this doable..? I'm not sure if there's a different sprite sheet somewhere, but if I recall correctly, shishi shows the same poses for Ramza as for anyone else.. and it is fairly common knowledge that Ramza, as well as most other storyline characters, have additional poses that will cause minor glitches with custom sprites, that being that the original sprite will supersede the custom, but with the custom's palette...
So, again, my question is - can I / how can I access the full spritesheet for Ramza (at least) or any other 'storyline' character for the purpose of tailoring a custom sprite to meet the demand of in-game event poses? I imagine with basic graphic knowledge, as well as access to completed sprite files, that this would be a fairly simple task, if only tedious, assuming this IS in fact possible, as of yet...
So, again, my question is - can I / how can I access the full spritesheet for Ramza (at least) or any other 'storyline' character for the purpose of tailoring a custom sprite to meet the demand of in-game event poses? I imagine with basic graphic knowledge, as well as access to completed sprite files, that this would be a fairly simple task, if only tedious, assuming this IS in fact possible, as of yet...
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Post by: Cheetah on April 03, 2009, 12:19:08 am
Post by: Cheetah on April 03, 2009, 12:19:08 am
Completely possible. Very very difficult. This should explain:
http://www.ffhacktics.com/tutorials.php?id=6 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/tutorials.php?id=6)
http://www.ffhacktics.com/tutorials.php?id=6 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/tutorials.php?id=6)
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Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 12:21:19 am
Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 12:21:19 am
hah, thats an idea for easy eventchr stuff! have a few poses contained within a sprite 8 palettes possible 16 if you dont use the portraits. instead of using the actual eventchr
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Post by: Azrael on April 03, 2009, 03:48:32 am
Post by: Azrael on April 03, 2009, 03:48:32 am
I'm not sure I entirely understood what you were trying to say, Zozma..
But WOW there's a lot of additional poses... haaa, I expected just a handful of head turns, and a few unique things like, receiving the scriptures, drawing the sword, etc... but WOW. I imagine most of the difficulty simply lies in combination with the number of additional poses, coupled with the fact that they can't be directly tested without either using the world debug (would that even work..? Never even tried it, really) or getting to 'that point' in the game....?
But WOW there's a lot of additional poses... haaa, I expected just a handful of head turns, and a few unique things like, receiving the scriptures, drawing the sword, etc... but WOW. I imagine most of the difficulty simply lies in combination with the number of additional poses, coupled with the fact that they can't be directly tested without either using the world debug (would that even work..? Never even tried it, really) or getting to 'that point' in the game....?
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Post by: Kokojo on April 03, 2009, 04:21:41 am
Post by: Kokojo on April 03, 2009, 04:21:41 am
Azrael, they can be tested via event editing, if that what you meant
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Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 04:05:09 pm
Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 04:05:09 pm
well an unused sprite can be used to hold some special character poses, instead of having to use a hex editor to reinsert them into event.chr is what i meant. and it can use up to 8 color palettes so it could be used for 8 diff characters
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Post by: Verdeni on April 03, 2009, 08:54:33 pm
Post by: Verdeni on April 03, 2009, 08:54:33 pm
Does this work for me, but nothing will let me resave the ISO's as an ISO. I'm using WOTL. =\
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Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 10:11:08 pm
Post by: Zozma on April 03, 2009, 10:11:08 pm
yeah WOTL is really not as flexible with anything like the psx version is
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Post by: Azrael on April 08, 2009, 07:30:47 am
Post by: Azrael on April 08, 2009, 07:30:47 am
Did you mean ENTD, Kokojo..? I'm not sure how that would help me test poses.. but then, the idea came to mind of just checking the brave story..... ^_^
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Post by: Kokojo on April 08, 2009, 12:50:01 pm
Post by: Kokojo on April 08, 2009, 12:50:01 pm
I meant, if you do such spritesheet, you could test it in a custom event, all the poses you put in there, and it should work. Sacrifice one spritesheet for some animation seems a good deal.
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Post by: Zozma on April 08, 2009, 04:00:10 pm
Post by: Zozma on April 08, 2009, 04:00:10 pm
seems alot easier than the mess you have to deal with currently
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Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 03:10:54 am
Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 03:10:54 am
Ok, so if I understand this correctly...
Instead of bothering with a hex editor, which would be the direct method - inserting my desired sprite animations in place of the originals - I could use one of the 'blank' sprite sheets, solely for special 'event' animations... so, in my case of trying to overwrite Ramza'z poses, I would then after completing the spritesheets, go to ENTD and reassign Ramza to the newly created one?
I am feeling a little overwhelmed.. hehe.. I'm beginning to grasp the enormity of the task at hand, here.
So what exactly am I removing..? Do I just leave walking animations and remove everything else..?
I think I need a little more clarification as to what I'm doing... perhaps my problem lies in not fully understanding the mechanics behind the sprite sheet and how the game knows what cell is what.. or something like that..?
Instead of bothering with a hex editor, which would be the direct method - inserting my desired sprite animations in place of the originals - I could use one of the 'blank' sprite sheets, solely for special 'event' animations... so, in my case of trying to overwrite Ramza'z poses, I would then after completing the spritesheets, go to ENTD and reassign Ramza to the newly created one?
I am feeling a little overwhelmed.. hehe.. I'm beginning to grasp the enormity of the task at hand, here.
So what exactly am I removing..? Do I just leave walking animations and remove everything else..?
I think I need a little more clarification as to what I'm doing... perhaps my problem lies in not fully understanding the mechanics behind the sprite sheet and how the game knows what cell is what.. or something like that..?
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Post by: Zozma on April 09, 2009, 03:23:28 am
Post by: Zozma on April 09, 2009, 03:23:28 am
well in events for special frames from the eventchr the event specifies the cell by number. as far as looking at a sprite for one frozen cell i havent tested it, but it should work the same...
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Post by: Kaijyuu on April 09, 2009, 03:25:48 am
Post by: Kaijyuu on April 09, 2009, 03:25:48 am
"Events" are well, events. To edit them, you should look here:
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444)
The difference between them and the ENTD is that the ENTD just controls what units are on the board and their stats, while events are what makes text boxes pop up, special animations, opening doors, ect.
Unfortunately, I have zero experience editing them, so I can't give you any detailed advice.
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444)
The difference between them and the ENTD is that the ENTD just controls what units are on the board and their stats, while events are what makes text boxes pop up, special animations, opening doors, ect.
Unfortunately, I have zero experience editing them, so I can't give you any detailed advice.
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Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 03:28:45 am
Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 03:28:45 am
...am I going to need to use a few different sprite sheets..? Ramza has a lot of poses..
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Post by: Zozma on April 09, 2009, 03:33:36 am
Post by: Zozma on April 09, 2009, 03:33:36 am
well, if you dont plan on expanding your iso, the civilians (not the mourners) are never used so u could use those
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Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 09:44:09 pm
Post by: Azrael on April 09, 2009, 09:44:09 pm
My .ISO is indeed expanded.
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Post by: Zozma on April 10, 2009, 01:09:17 am
Post by: Zozma on April 10, 2009, 01:09:17 am
well then you have all of those to work with,
10, 20, 40, 60 year old man and woman, thats 8 sprite sheets never actually used in the game
not to mention unused jobs as well
10, 20, 40, 60 year old man and woman, thats 8 sprite sheets never actually used in the game
not to mention unused jobs as well