Pisces.
(And, yes, I have a reason for asking.)
Technically, Sepertarius. FFT-wise, Sagittarius.
Scorpio, baby.
Leo.
MEOWRAWR!
Virgo. And yet BP and I get along swimmingly. Hmm...
Yeah, I get along very well with my Scorpio wife, too.
Someone more knowledgeable about zodiac compats once told us we were terrible for each other.
But he's dead now, so whatev.
Leo. I hate piercewise.
Pisces, I hate you all.
So what are your reasons Vanya?
Virgo here ^^
Ophiuchus. (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm)
Quote from: "Kaijyuu"Ophiuchushttp://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm)
no sir
no
No to the intentional mixup of astronomical cycles or no to the thinly disguised explanatory link?
Quote from: "Kaijyuu"No to the intentional mixup of astronomical cycles or no to the thinly disguised explanatory link?
In fact, Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign in the Real Solar Zodiac, i.e. the Sun can be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus between 30th November and 17th December each year. [The dates of the cusps move a little from one year to the next, so sometimes they are quoted as 1st December to 18th December.] Aquarius, the Water Carrier, is the actual 13th, and last, sign of the Real Solar Zodiac.
Northern celestial hemisphere constellation map showing the sun sign of Ophiuchus between Scorpius and Sagittarius
Ophiuchus the Sun sign. The curved line marked with degree signs is the Ecliptic. The Ecliptic, the Sun's path through the heavens as seen from Earth, runs through Ophiuchus from about 245 to 265° away from the Vernal Equinox. This means that the Sun can be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus from 30th November to 17th December
Ophiuchus in the Planetary Zodiac: As Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign it is also a member of the Planetary Zodiac and the Lunar Zodiac, i.e. as well as the Sun, the planets and the Moon can frequently be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus, from the view point of the Earth.
The planet Pluto could be found in Ophiuchus until the end of 2003, after which it passed into Serpens Cauda, the Serpent's Tail. The Centaur object, the minor planetoid Chiron, was visible against the stars of Ophiuchus until November 2001, after which it passed over the border into Sagittarius. Venus and Mercury can be found in Ophiuchus for a time each year. Shown right is an example of a star chart for Pluto in Ophiuchus in June 1999.
So why isn't Ophiucus in the Commonly-Used Western Zodiac? Ophiuchus is an Ancient Greek constellation. The Serpent Bearer is one of the original Ptolemy constellations, appearing in Al Magest Star Catalogue [c 130 - 170 AD]. He also appears on the Farnese Globe, a Roman copy of a circa 2nd century BC depiction of Atlas holding the Celestial Sphere above his head. So why isn't Ophiuchus a member of the standard astrological zodiac - the Tropical Zodiac?
Good question! Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign. The Moon and planets all are seen against the stars of Ophiuchus. Unfortunately, the answer to the question is that Ophiuchus isn't in the Tropical Zodiac not because there is something wrong with Ophiuchus but because there is something wrong with the Tropical Zodiac. The Tropical Zodiac is an inaccurate oversimplification of the heavens dating from a time when we did not have telescopes or computers. Follow the Zodiac Wheels link for a description of the history of the Zodiacs.
The planet Pluto against the Sun-sign of Ophiucus, 21 June 1999.
Pluto in Ophiuchus. Star chart for 21 Jun 99 of the Serpens-Ophiuchus-Serpens area of the night sky. The green lines are the constellation boundaries. The white lines join the stars of each constellation to make the constellation figure. Most of the bulk of Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer, is visible in the centre of the chart. Pluto [the joined PL symbol in gray] is just occulting the star ζ Ophiuchi. [Star names and star symbols are marked in red, constellation names are shown in yellow. The white horizontal line in the center of the star chart is the Celestial Equator.]
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Feet of Clay?: You can read elsewhere on the internet that the problem of Ophiuchus was invented by the Royal Astronomical Society several years ago to bedevil we astrologers. Alas, if it were that simple! The problem of Ophiuchus is very old: at least nineteen hundred years old, if not more. It dates back to at least the time of Claudius Ptolemy, the Classical father of astrology [c 130 - 170 AD].
Ptolemy produced two great works, Al Magest, which charted the heavens, and Tetrabiblos, the seminal work of astrology - a compendium of essentially all the astrological knowledge of the Ancient Greeks. Al Magest contains the earliest Star Catalogue that we still possess.
In Tetrabiblos, Ptolemy treats Ophiuchus as a non-zodiac constellation; he follows the simple, inherited tradition of the twelve part, equal-sign zodiac. However, in Al Magest, Ptolemy actually charts Ophiuchus in the heavens. He looks at the reality of the stars above. He catalogues 29 stars in the constellation. 24 of these he measures to have a latitude above the Ecliptic. But 5 of these he observes have a latitude below the Ecliptic. In other words the figure of Ophiuchus crosses the Ecliptic [the path of the Sun] making it by definition a Sun Sign. The five stars which lie south of the Ecliptic are:
Ptolemy's Al Magest Star Catalogue c 130 - 170 AD:
Modern Star Name Number Ptolemy's Description Location Ecliptic Latitude*
36 Ophiuchi star 247 Praecedens de quatuor quae sunt in pede dextro Ophiuchus' right foot -02 15'
42 Theta Ophiuchi star 248 Quae istam sequitur Ophiuchus' right foot -01 30'
44 Ophiuchi star 249 Quae adhuc istam sequitur Ophiuchus' right foot -00 20'
51 Ophiuchi star 250 Reliqua de quatuor quae omnes sequitur Ophiuchus' right foot -00 15'
5 Rho Ophiuchi star 257 Quae tangit plantam sinistri pedis Ophiuchus' left foot -00 45'
*The negative sign indicates that these stars have a position below the Ecliptic. Ecliptic latitudes taken from the on-line version of Al Magest held at: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/cats/Cats.htx (http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/cats/Cats.htx).
Ptolemy never resolved these contradictions between a simple twelve-sign Solar Zodiac description of the skies and the reality of the thirteen sign heavens, and we as astrologers are still struggling with them today. Really though, the heavens have to win in the end...
Historical Star Charts of Ophiuchus - Ophiuchus Backwards and Forwards: The charts below are actually based on up-dated versions of Ptolemy's Al Magest Star Catalogue, though the catalogue was first written some fifteen hundred years before they were drawn. During the Renaissance, Ptolemy's work became freely available once again, which lead to the production of new catalogues and the drawing, for the first time, of accurate maps of the skies. Note the stars in Ophiuchus feet lying below the Ecliptic, just as in the excerpt from Ptolemy's Star Catalogue given above.
Except... that since antiquity the figure on the left has reversed. From the Star Catalogue entries, Ptolemy's Ophiuchus figure was facing towards us with his left leg slightly below the Ecliptic, resting on Scorpius and his right leg further below the Ecliptic. Many Renaissance drawings have him facing away from us, right leg on Scorpius. In this they seem to all follow Johann Bayer's incorrect drawing of 1603. However, as early as 1604, Johannes Kepler [below right] had improved on Bayer's mistake and produced a correct map which shows the figure of Ophiuchus that the Ancient Greeks would have seen in the heavens. After a fifteen hundred year sleep, the Ophiuchus of the Greeks - and his Ecliptic problems - were reborn.
A star chart of Ophiuchus, from Uranometria, Johann Bayer, Augsburg, 1603 AD
A star chart of Ophiuchus, from De stella nova in pede serpentarii, Johann Kepler, Prague, 1606 AD
A star chart of Ophiuchus. From Uranometria, Johann Bayer, Augsburg, 1603 AD. The black and white line passing through the legs of Ophiuchus is the Ecliptic. The hatched area at the bottom of the drawing presents the band above the Ecliptic of the 7° Planetary Zodiac as known at the time. Ophiuchus holds Serpens, the Serpent. Compared to the Classical Greek Ophiuchus two things are wrong with the figure: Ophiuchus has his back to us, and his legs extends too far below the Ecliptic. However it is a beautiful drawing!
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A star chart of Ophiuchus. FromDe stella nova in pede serpentarii, Johann Kepler, Prague, 1606 AD. The dark line two and a half sqaures up from the base is the Ecliptic. Kepler correctly portrays Ophiuchus as facing us. The positions of the legs are also closer to Ptolemy's original than Bayer's drawing, only the feet lying south of the Ecliptic.
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A star chart of Ophiuchus, from Uranographia, John Bevis, London, ca 1750
A star chart of Ophiuchus, from Atlas Coelestis, John Flamsteed, London, 1753
A star chart of Ophiuchus. In Uranographia Britannica, John Bevis, London, ca 1750. The black and white line at the bottom of the drawing is the Ecliptic. The hatched area at the bottom of the drawing presents the band above the Ecliptic of the 7° Planetary Zodiac as known at the time. The figure is essentially copied from Bayer's of 150 years earlier - with the same, somewhat incorrect, position for the figure of Ophiuchus.
A star chart of Ophiuchus. From Atlas Coelestis, John Flamsteed, London, 1753. The curved black and white line at the bottom of the drawing is the Ecliptic. Whilst the figure has a slightly different orientation - notably of the head - in comparison to Kepler's drawing, the star positions of the major limbs are very similar. This figure is very close to what the Ancient and Classical Greeks would have seen when they looked for Ophiuchus in the heavens.
The Astrological Lore of Ophiuchus: Ophiuchus was better known in classical times as Asclepius, [in Latin, Aesculapius] the God of Medicine. He learnt the art from Chiron, the Centaur. On either side of Ophiuchus in the heavens lie the two parts of the sign of the serpent he holds, Serpens Caput, the Serpent's Head and Serpens Cauda, the Serpent's Tail. The twined serpent staff is the badge of the medical profession to this day. [However, the sign of the serpent itself does not form part of the Real Solar Zodiac, though it does from part of the Planetary Zodiac.] It is from the Serpent that Ophiuchus learnt the secret of the Elixir of Life.
Ophiuchus is always shown with his foot resting on Scorpius, the Scorpion [see above]. This is especially apt. In Greek star lore the Earth Goddess Gaia sends Scorpius to kill Orion, the Hunter, who has threatened to hunt down all the animals of the Earth - a tale with resonance for modern times. Scorpius stings Orion, who would have died had it not been for the intervention of Aesculapius (Ophiuchus). Aesculapius gives Orion a sip of the divine Elixir and restores him to health.
The even older Babylonian version is slightly different. Here the serpent is Tiamat, the Monster of the Bitter Ocean. Holding Tiamat is Marduk, the Sun God of the Babylonians. They are doing battle together in the eternal fight of good against evil.
Other Thirteenth and Forteenth Signs: There is some information available on the Internet about another '13th sign', Arachne, the Spider. This sign was first described in James Voghs' book Arachne Rising. However, the book was a hoax. Arachne Rising was science fiction. 'James Vogh' is a pseudonym of the science fiction author John Sladek, now deceased.
There is also some information available on the Internet on Cetus, the Whale, describing it as the '14th sign'. This is a confusion of the Real Solar Zodiac and the Planetary Zodiac. The Ecliptic and hence the Sun, as seen from Earth, do not pass through Cetus. However, most of the planets, and the Moon, can be seen occasionally against the stars of Cetus. But this is also true of another 25 signs in the Ptolemaic Planetary Zodiac.
The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs:
Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar
* The Non-Zodiac Constellations
Capricorn here. Fear me, for i am the devil.
7 days for scorpio? man, screw that solar jazz.
I'm december 18th
am I sagittarius or serpentarius?
help me
Identity (fashion) crisis here
My first girlfriend was a Leo as well. We used to laugh about how "bad" our compatiblity was, and then...yeah.
Now I have Beaky, a fellow Earth sign (Taurus). Times are good.
(Random question - why can't I figure out how to do strike-throughs?)
rawr
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gets lifeborke'd for 999
Taurus
Aquarius
Libra, speaking of, listening to "three libras" by a perfect circle at the moment
Gemini
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff327/ncairns61/fishMar09.jpg)
Hmm.. This gave me an idea.
Having our zodiac signs underneath our avatars, or next to the name, for the forum if possible?
Sagittarius (Dec 2)
April 18th - Aries
Capricorn (Jan 6th)
Leo indeed, though I have to say I feel much closer to Virgo though I wasn't born on a cusp, Aug. 20 which is only 3 days away from Virgo. Always why Hashmalum/Vormav held a special place in my heart.
I'm on March 20th. Around 1:30pm. I'm mere hours away from being Aries. And, indeed, my first girlfriend was an Aries. My fiancee is Taurus, but we get along well enough. ^_^
You gonna say why we did this?
Aquarius
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/Powerguy500/76d3a11d.jpg)
Quote from: "Voldemort"I'm december 18th
am I sagittarius or serpentarius?
help me
Identity (fashion) crisis here
I'm just gonna say you're a Sagittarius.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/Dokurider/RealSolarZodiac-SunSignsDates-DrShe.png)
I tried looking up a natal chart for you, but not only can't I find any natal chart generators that include Ophiuchus, I can't make heads or tails of a Natal Chart anyways. Most of the literature out there is inconsistent anyways.
Damn..!! So close... just 1 day.
In the next life I'll get it, praise Jesus.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/Dokurider/astro_w2gw_01_Voldemort7_hp7524517840.gif)
If you can make sense out of this, then congratulations.
Quote from: "Dokurider"(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/Dokurider/astro_w2gw_01_Voldemort7_hp7524517840.gif)
If you can make sense out of this, then congratulations.
I can
it says I am sagittarius

look at the lines pointing towards the sign of Sagittarius (the arrow)
and the chart... well... it shows Sag for me.. alot... more than the others? gurrghggle
EDIT: strange.. I think the small chart with F E W A in it is a compatibility chart
isn't it!!!
Yeah, but it doesn't compensate for Ophiuchus. I think that's based on the traditional or the Tropical Zodiac. Perhaps there is a way to do a conversion between the two. Some other time, my head's still spinning.
Opiukachu
Gemini, so fear my twin. Aw crap here he comes. *Frogged*
Quote from: "PX_Timefordeath"Gemini, so fear my twin. Aw crap here he comes. *Frogged*
I don't fear him, we have good compat
heh, me? a libra?
bleh, ill stick with the conventional 22 Nov saggitarius/scorpio cusp thanks
(http://fc72.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/350/f/1/scorpion_of_mortal_kombat_3_by_karlonne.jpg)
Something I learned at college this year, these signs are the "zodiac" for Venus and Mars, respectively:
(http://www.astro.com/im/mtp/sym_ven_mar.gif)
The greek Ptolemaic system had symbols for fourteen different zodiac, another for the sun, another for the moon, and five more for the first five planets in the solar system. Other symbols were added later as more planets were found, but this was after the Ptolemaic System was abandoned for the heliocentric Copernican system. So the symbols for the last four planets aren't really greek.
Hooray for college!
(http://www.astro.com/im/mtp/sym_ven_mar.gif)
female and male
vagina and penis
do you see it?
because I do
and you should too
I'm still a Pisces! I never did feel any true influence from Aries!
Darthpaul: I'm harvesting data for my hack. I'm adding back in the 6 missing Lucavi, if you recall. I need hosts for them and I wanted to use forum members. But like half you bastards R Sagittarius & most of the rest are signs that R already taken! =P
Celdia, Zozma, LastingDawn, SentinalBlade, Cheetah, & Voldemort were the ones I originally asked. However, none of them are compatible with the new Lucavi except Celdia and Zozma. Celdia is going to be the host for Shemhazai because she's a chick. Sorry, Zozma, the one thing she's missing is what got her the spot.
At this point I'm thinking to for get about the sign compatibility thing for the new hosts all together. Think of your digital representations as evil alter egos. Except you Voldemort, in your case you ARE the evil alter ego. The digital you is just seeking power to chalenge you cause he's evil, too. ^_^
Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Taurus
Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Taurus
I disagree strongly
I for one welcome our new popcorn munching overlord.
Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Taurus
Chaos, then? But, I'll have to drop the 'NY18'. I'm also looking for members with names that don't seem out of place for the setting. So if you're ok with loosing the 'NY18' you can have Chaos.
Maybe I'll just add a bunch of cameos of forum members on top of the new hosts. I have like 2 more player units and 6 NPCs I can add.
Shemhazai (Sagittarius) - Celdia
Chaos (Taurus) - Dominic (pending)
I still need hosts for:
Exodus (Libra)
Mateus (Pisces) --- Might take this one myself.
Famfrit (Aquarius)
Zeromus (Cancer)
Other cameos (need 3 more, 2 will be playable):
Voldemort
Zozma
LastingDawn
Cheetah
SentinalBlade
Vanya, you can drop the "NY18" if you need to.
Quote from: "Voldemort"I disagree strongly
What do you disagree with if you don't mind my asking?
*readies an apple in anticipation of the answer*
Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Quote from: "Voldemort"I disagree strongly
What do you disagree with if you don't mind my asking?
I disagree with Taurus
And what's disagreeable about it?
I don't think you really have to worry much about compatibility Vanya, as there are alreacy examples of hosts with differing alingments from the stones they hold.
Wigraf- Virgo, but host to the Tarus stone, Velius is also a virgo as a result
Dycedarg - Scorpio, host to Capricorn Stone, again, Adramelk is also a Scorpio
Good, then. I've been to lazy to actually check. ^_^
I understand everything now.
Quote from: "Vanya"I still need hosts for:
Famfrit (Aquarius)
chyea
Quote from: "Dominic NY18"And what's disagreeable about it?
the script is over-wrought and overly complex
it sounds ridiculous
Is it just me or is Arch not making any sense anymore?
I could just be reading out of context.
Quote from: "Voldemort"the script is over-wrought and overly complex
it sounds ridiculous
OK.
Arch was sick last I heard so maybe thats why he's been kinda moody, this is just guess and I'm not to be held responsable if I'm wrong(which I probably am)
it's a personal joke between me and dominic
lol @ making assumptions based on things I write which you don't understand
xD
Ok, makes sense know, thanks
Quote from: "Vanya"Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Quote from: "Dominic NY18"Taurus
Chaos, then? But, I'll have to drop the 'NY18'. I'm also looking for members with names that don't seem out of place for the setting. So if you're ok with loosing the 'NY18' you can have Chaos
Damn if only I had gotten here sooner, lol, I'm a taurus... snap
There's still a chance! I may need others for enemies and such. ^_^
I'd be glad to have my name cursed aloud Vanya ^^
Alright here's my plan for you guys:
New Lucavi hosts:
Celdia - Shemhazai
Dominic - Chaos
Asmo - Famfrit
Voldemort - Zeromus
Zozma - Exodus
Philsov - Mateus
New special units:
Vanya - Alchemist
Zairee - Witch
Balthier - Pirate
Marche - ??? -----> Replaces Cloud who is removed from the game.
Luso - ???
Mog - ??? -----> Replaces Orlandeau who is now a guest only.
New for expanded Beowulf story:
Bremondt
Aliste
Zuka - as one of Aliste's men.
Cheetah - as one of Aliste's men.
Zodiac - as one of Aliste's men.
SentinalBlade - as an enemy unit in final Bremondt battle.
LastingDawn - as an enemy unit in final Bremondt battle.
What happened to the Zodiac slayer idea?
He's still going to be a 'Slayer'. I wouldn't make a battle with 4 copies of Beowulf. Zuka and Cheetah are going to have their own jobs too.
And unless I come up with a better idea, ph33rb0t will be a rare random enemy on every floor of the deep dungeon except Terminus.
So wait what exactly is this project. Well regardless at least Aliste is pretty fucking kickass.
My personal hack which basically just has a bunch of stuff i felt the game should have had in the first place, bug fixes, and a little extra balance. If I have enough room I'm gonna add Balthier, Luso, and replace Cloud with Marche.
Wh-wha? You mean to say that I'm 100% Leo... not an ounce of Virgo?! B-but, that doesn't explain my meek nature and naive ways! Bah! Why does it seem every Zodiac has it out for me to be a leader! Wood Dragon in Chinese Zodiac, Leo in Western Zodiac... Accursed stars...
I'm glad you're a dragon in your in your Chinese zodiac, LD! *wink, wink*
l-l-l-libra
Aries.
According to the chart that was posted and after looking through all the different zodiac pages for myself.
July 4th, 1989 (go fireworks, lol)
(Sidereal)Real Sun Sign: Gemini
(Tropical)Conventional Sun Sign: Cancer
Chinese: Earth Snake
Haven't really even known about the sidereal/tropical astrology till just now, thought I was a Cancer this entire time and that it didn't really have any effect on my life. Fun thing that I found out though is a page on Wikipedia about Mutable signs, which is what Gemini is classified under:
"They supposedly adapt very well to new situations, possess much flexibility, seldom have any particular agenda and are perfectly happy to fill in an assigned role. However, they are also said to be inconsistent, changeable, nervous, indecisive and irresponsible, with a tendency to get wrapped up in tiny particulars. There is also a certain duality associated with all the mutable quality signs."
These sentences are more true than anything else I've read about the different zodiac systems/signs, especially the happy to fill any assigned role and indecisive parts. I know its not a good thing but I don't mind being told what to do
most of the time, a small example is in WoW where I get the "whats needed to finish the group spot" in about everything.
Btw, I've edited this post three(correction four) times to get it how I actually want it.
I'm a Libra and I have the same birthday as Mustadio...
I'm a leo....my birthday is august 11th.
Nov 27 is all I know. I've never paid any attention to zodiac signs.
I'm an Aquarius
Quote from: "Voldemort"I'm december 18th
am I sagittarius or serpentarius?
help me
Identity (fashion) crisis here
the dates for serpentarius changes from year to year
Cancer :>
Me: VIRGO.
My birthday is one day before FFH's release.
Tersius <- Gemini
Quote from: "Skip Sandwich"Capricorn (Jan 6th)
+1 Day
Gemini here......Yeah.
May 27
gemini

june 17
im elmdor
really awesomus
I am a Sagittarius.
October 20 so I'm a Libra. I must be like Mustadio....somehow
Libra Oct. 12