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Post by: dwib on March 01, 2009, 12:30:27 am
Post by: dwib on March 01, 2009, 12:30:27 am
<@Zodiac> so where are you right now?
<Jukain> Where am I?
<@Zodiac> ya, irl
<Jukain> In my dorm room o.o
<dwib> sounds fierce
<AngrySurprisedFace> Like Tyra Banks.
<dwib> fuck tyra banks
<dwib> worst tv show host ever
<AngrySurprisedFace> Iman?
<AngrySurprisedFace> Oh.
<@Zodiac> and why did you make a new account?
<AngrySurprisedFace> I...
<AngrySurprisedFace> didn't..?
<@Zodiac> I'm talking to Jukain
<tithin> NOT AGAIIIIIIIN
<AngrySurprisedFace> Oh sorry. O_O
<Jukain> I didn't make a new account. Me and Arch talked about this, KrazyKlyde isn't me. >_>
<Jukain> I don't even know anyone named Klyde.
<dwib> lmao
<AuraDragon> Wazup Tithin?
<@Zodiac> so Jukain you are telling me that YOU who created his account 3 days after Klyde stopped posting
<@Zodiac> YOU who both share the only and same IP
* tithin stifles a laugh.
<@Zodiac> have nothing to do with each other?
<@Zodiac> LPLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
<Jukain> The only possible connection we might have would be that we go to the same university, we share IP addresses that fluctuate.
<@Zodiac> I repeat...
<@Zodiac> LPLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
<tithin> Voldemort: name of server; New EmuLinker Server
<Jukain> I joined because 13027 came out, and I had been waiting for it.
<Jukain> Nothing more.
<dwib> i dont believe you
<Jukain> Why would I have a reason to troll this place? I love this mod and everything about it, it's revitalized the game for me. I enjoy it too much to bring hate or disservice down on it.
<@Zodiac> yet you refuse to admit your past actions?
<@Zodiac> what kind of bullshit is this
<Jukain> Prior to the creation of this account, I have had no association with this website other than links to it from GameFAQs where I heard about the mod.
<@Zodiac> yeah yeah stfu
<@Zodiac> you've just been lying to everyone, wtf is your problem
<@Zodiac> GET OUT 14/F/CALI
<Jukain> I have not been lying to anyone. I've been through this discussion once today and I would rather not repeat it.
<Jukain> Ask Voldemort, he was here for the entire thing.
<Voldemort> jukain
<Voldemort> just cuz u sent pics of a girl
<AngrySurprisedFace> Virus.
<Voldemort> and even if u are a girl
<Voldemort> it is irrelevant
<Voldemort> troll is trol
<tithin> Voldemort: name of server; New EmuLinker Server - ping is about 200 yah
<Jukain> I am not a troll!
<AngrySurprisedFace> :)
<Jukain> I love this place and enjoy talking to the people here. I don't know why Arch has a problem with this.
<Jukain> I do have friends irl, thank you very much.
<dwibBlade> do they have tits?
<Jukain> Some of them.
<Jukain> I have tits. What does it matter?
<Jukain> There's more to a person than tits damn it.
<dwibBlade> cause i like them
<Suih> What would it be like to have a uniboob? O_o;
<Jukain> If Celdia or Jupi were here, they would agree.
<Suih> I've always wondered that.
* @ZodiacBlade sharpens his banhammer
<dwibBlade> ANTICIPATION
<dwibBlade> OMB
<dwibBlade> OMG*
<dwibBlade> weiner getting.... harder....
<Jukain> What is your problem with me? Tell me that.
<Jukain> Because I won't show you my tits?
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> Does a Hammer need to be sharpened?
<tithinblade> Jukain, you are trying too hard.
<Suih> I suppose. Sadly that is the interenet?
<Suih> *internet
<@ZodiacBlade> what shocks me the most is that you've been constantly lying not even admitting it
<Jukain> What have I lied about?
<@ZodiacBlade> you're whack
<@ZodiacBlade> and I'm on a boat
<dwibBlade> santana DVX is my joint nigga
<@ZodiacBlade> nightmaregirl
<@ZodiacBlade> omg I just jizzed in my pants thinking about Jukain
<dwibBlade>
* @ZodiacBlade is done shapening the BanHammer
<dwibBlade> give her a Banhammer in a box
<Jukain> There is something seriously wrong with you people.
<Jukain> That's all I have to say.
* Suih steps out of the way.
<dwibBlade> last chance
<@ZodiacBlade> D= I don't have a small version
<dwibBlade> tits
<Suih> Nothing to do with this. :/
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> "You people"
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> <_<
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> What have I done to you exactly?
<dwibBlade> look now you are trolling ASFBlade
<Jukain> ASF, you know good and well I'm not referring to you!
<dwibBlade> I LIKE SPORTZ AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU KNOW
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> Then stop using such broad terms. X_x
* @ZodiacBlade swings
<dwibBlade> GTFO
<Jukain> ASF, I hardly know. Suih as well. I love how everyone I've met here is not here.
* @ZodiacBlade HOMERUNS
* ZodiacBlade sets mode: +b *!*Mibbit@74.43.163.*
* Jukain was kicked by ZodiacBlade (Jukain)
<Jukain> Where am I?
<@Zodiac> ya, irl
<Jukain> In my dorm room o.o
<dwib> sounds fierce
<AngrySurprisedFace> Like Tyra Banks.
<dwib> fuck tyra banks
<dwib> worst tv show host ever
<AngrySurprisedFace> Iman?
<AngrySurprisedFace> Oh.
<@Zodiac> and why did you make a new account?
<AngrySurprisedFace> I...
<AngrySurprisedFace> didn't..?
<@Zodiac> I'm talking to Jukain
<tithin> NOT AGAIIIIIIIN
<AngrySurprisedFace> Oh sorry. O_O
<Jukain> I didn't make a new account. Me and Arch talked about this, KrazyKlyde isn't me. >_>
<Jukain> I don't even know anyone named Klyde.
<dwib> lmao
<AuraDragon> Wazup Tithin?
<@Zodiac> so Jukain you are telling me that YOU who created his account 3 days after Klyde stopped posting
<@Zodiac> YOU who both share the only and same IP
* tithin stifles a laugh.
<@Zodiac> have nothing to do with each other?
<@Zodiac> LPLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
<Jukain> The only possible connection we might have would be that we go to the same university, we share IP addresses that fluctuate.
<@Zodiac> I repeat...
<@Zodiac> LPLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
<tithin> Voldemort: name of server; New EmuLinker Server
<Jukain> I joined because 13027 came out, and I had been waiting for it.
<Jukain> Nothing more.
<dwib> i dont believe you
<Jukain> Why would I have a reason to troll this place? I love this mod and everything about it, it's revitalized the game for me. I enjoy it too much to bring hate or disservice down on it.
<@Zodiac> yet you refuse to admit your past actions?
<@Zodiac> what kind of bullshit is this
<Jukain> Prior to the creation of this account, I have had no association with this website other than links to it from GameFAQs where I heard about the mod.
<@Zodiac> yeah yeah stfu
<@Zodiac> you've just been lying to everyone, wtf is your problem
<@Zodiac> GET OUT 14/F/CALI
<Jukain> I have not been lying to anyone. I've been through this discussion once today and I would rather not repeat it.
<Jukain> Ask Voldemort, he was here for the entire thing.
<Voldemort> jukain
<Voldemort> just cuz u sent pics of a girl
<AngrySurprisedFace> Virus.
<Voldemort> and even if u are a girl
<Voldemort> it is irrelevant
<Voldemort> troll is trol
<tithin> Voldemort: name of server; New EmuLinker Server - ping is about 200 yah
<Jukain> I am not a troll!
<AngrySurprisedFace> :)
<Jukain> I love this place and enjoy talking to the people here. I don't know why Arch has a problem with this.
<Jukain> I do have friends irl, thank you very much.
<dwibBlade> do they have tits?
<Jukain> Some of them.
<Jukain> I have tits. What does it matter?
<Jukain> There's more to a person than tits damn it.
<dwibBlade> cause i like them
<Suih> What would it be like to have a uniboob? O_o;
<Jukain> If Celdia or Jupi were here, they would agree.
<Suih> I've always wondered that.
* @ZodiacBlade sharpens his banhammer
<dwibBlade> ANTICIPATION
<dwibBlade> OMB
<dwibBlade> OMG*
<dwibBlade> weiner getting.... harder....
<Jukain> What is your problem with me? Tell me that.
<Jukain> Because I won't show you my tits?
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> Does a Hammer need to be sharpened?
<tithinblade> Jukain, you are trying too hard.
<Suih> I suppose. Sadly that is the interenet?
<Suih> *internet
<@ZodiacBlade> what shocks me the most is that you've been constantly lying not even admitting it
<Jukain> What have I lied about?
<@ZodiacBlade> you're whack
<@ZodiacBlade> and I'm on a boat
<dwibBlade> santana DVX is my joint nigga
<@ZodiacBlade> nightmaregirl
<@ZodiacBlade> omg I just jizzed in my pants thinking about Jukain
<dwibBlade>
* @ZodiacBlade is done shapening the BanHammer
<dwibBlade> give her a Banhammer in a box
<Jukain> There is something seriously wrong with you people.
<Jukain> That's all I have to say.
* Suih steps out of the way.
<dwibBlade> last chance
<@ZodiacBlade> D= I don't have a small version
<dwibBlade> tits
<Suih> Nothing to do with this. :/
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> "You people"
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> <_<
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> What have I done to you exactly?
<dwibBlade> look now you are trolling ASFBlade
<Jukain> ASF, you know good and well I'm not referring to you!
<dwibBlade> I LIKE SPORTZ AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU KNOW
<AngrySurprisedFaceBlade> Then stop using such broad terms. X_x
* @ZodiacBlade swings
<dwibBlade> GTFO
<Jukain> ASF, I hardly know. Suih as well. I love how everyone I've met here is not here.
* @ZodiacBlade HOMERUNS
* ZodiacBlade sets mode: +b *!*Mibbit@74.43.163.*
* Jukain was kicked by ZodiacBlade (Jukain)
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Post by: CidIII on March 01, 2009, 12:59:34 am
Post by: CidIII on March 01, 2009, 12:59:34 am
If you would have just kept pushing, I think you could have gotten tits.
They kind of looked like nice ones.
They kind of looked like nice ones.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:07:37 am
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:07:37 am
Quote from: "CidIII"If you would have just kept pushing, I think you could have gotten tits.
you are even more evil than me
QuoteThey kind of looked like nice ones.
kinda
seen better
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Post by: gojoe on March 01, 2009, 01:18:41 am
Post by: gojoe on March 01, 2009, 01:18:41 am
Quote<@Zodiac> Allright I believe you Jukain
<Jukain> You do?
<@Zodiac> No.
LOL, this is why i love this place.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:20:00 am
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:20:00 am
Quote<dwib> god only has 1 IP address jukain
<dwib> and so do you and KrazyKlyde
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2j5yyq9.png)
fail
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Post by: Kokojo on March 01, 2009, 02:12:09 am
Post by: Kokojo on March 01, 2009, 02:12:09 am
... now this is just fucking pathetic.
I mean, Zodiac, Cid and Voldemort
I mean, Zodiac, Cid and Voldemort
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 01, 2009, 02:24:42 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 01, 2009, 02:24:42 am
I agree with Kokojo.
I believe Jukain was telling the truth, and innocent. Read her Intro topic. She posted from her school's network. The chances of someone else ending up with the same IP is very possible. And even if she did lie, and really was KK, she has done nothing but contribute positive things to this community since she joined. That alone is enough to excuse her "past behavior," (which, as it seems to me, involved lying about a victory in 1.3. Big fucking deal).
I love you guys, but this is bullshit. You want the drama to stop, you get pissed off any time one of us "carebear pussies" stands up to your juvenile bullshit with some fucking DECENCY, and yet you continue to pull shit like this.
Fucking ban me if you have a problem with it, but this is the most juvenile, ridiculous, chauvinist and downright fucking INFURIATING thing I've ever seen here.
I believe Jukain was telling the truth, and innocent. Read her Intro topic. She posted from her school's network. The chances of someone else ending up with the same IP is very possible. And even if she did lie, and really was KK, she has done nothing but contribute positive things to this community since she joined. That alone is enough to excuse her "past behavior," (which, as it seems to me, involved lying about a victory in 1.3. Big fucking deal).
I love you guys, but this is bullshit. You want the drama to stop, you get pissed off any time one of us "carebear pussies" stands up to your juvenile bullshit with some fucking DECENCY, and yet you continue to pull shit like this.
Fucking ban me if you have a problem with it, but this is the most juvenile, ridiculous, chauvinist and downright fucking INFURIATING thing I've ever seen here.
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Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 02:31:51 am
Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 02:31:51 am
No one will ban you for having a difference of opinion. The ban came from her refusal to admit the truth, and from her mocker of Zodiac.
I defended her, and I like the daft hippy, but this site is Zodiacs, and he chooses who comes and goes. I agree with you both to a certain extent, but at the end of the day, the decision to ban, or keep, is Zodiacs.
(hell, I still don't know if it's a full or a partial ban)
I defended her, and I like the daft hippy, but this site is Zodiacs, and he chooses who comes and goes. I agree with you both to a certain extent, but at the end of the day, the decision to ban, or keep, is Zodiacs.
(hell, I still don't know if it's a full or a partial ban)
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Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 02:44:15 am
Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 02:44:15 am
Here, this should perhaps put things more into perspective.
18:33 Kokojo ò Even there...you could be wrong Zodiac. I don't know much about IP'S but i know my neighbourg could very well use mine, and if he can, then the guy next room to me in a university could, and even if she did lie, dude, give her points for keeping it up.
18:33 tithin ò Kokojo: I will explain this to you as best I can.
18:34 Kokojo ò Okay, thanks.
18:35 tithin ò Kokojo: Many people may use an IP, but it's incredibly suss that someone who was derided and felt that leaving was his best option has left. Three days after he has left, a new member with the exact same IP has shown up with the same IP. It happens, but the overlap is ASTOUNDINGLY slim, based off the fact that, lets face it, ours is a niche topic.
18:35 ò Cheetah_ [Cheetah@dsl081-172-022.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #FFH
18:36 tithin ò So, to clarify, the chances of it being someone else are marginal at best. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but both the timing, and the ip being identical are pointers to them being the same. If it genuinely was another person on the same university network, then they would have a very similar, but different IP address.
18:36 Lasting_Dawn ò Good evening, Cheeth.
18:36 Lasting_Dawn ò Cheetah*
18:36 tithin ò Most organisations, including universities and businesses buy their external IP addresses, Ie, they will buy a range.
18:36 tithin ò 78.101.xxx.xxx
18:36 tithin ò So that they can hand out IPs like candy.
18:37 Kokojo ò But 2 days ago, she did say she was using a proxy... does that change anything ?
18:37 tithin ò Not in this case no, because the proxy she was using was only for irc
18:37 ò Cheetah [Cheetah@dsl081-172-022.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC
18:37 Kokojo ò oh.
18:38 Kokojo ò well, so either it's a big coincidence, or shes our man.
18:38 Kokojo ò thank.
18:38 tithin ò Precisely, yes.
18:38 Kokojo ò But even there, it's not that bad at itself...like everyone said.
18:38 Kokojo ò I for a temp ban again.
18:38 tithin ò i don't think the issue was that she lied, but that she lied consistently, even when presented with the evidence, and then laughed in zodiacs face afterwards
18:39 tithin ò like I said in the thread, I like the daft hippy, but if you spit in the site owners face, don't expect to be taken back with open arms.
18:39 @Zodiac ò precisely
18:39 Kokojo ò I don't know someone who could lie so well for 15 hours.
18:40 @Zodiac ò lie well?
18:40 @Zodiac ò it became just ridiculous
18:40 @Zodiac ò and she started flaming
18:41 Kokojo ò Zodiac, did KK logged back in since ?
18:41 tithin ò It's my opinion, zodiac, that you give her a week off and have a word with her. Just putting that out there.
18:42 FFMaster ò sounds kind of like the double box incident
18:42 @Zodiac ò I can do that
18:33 tithin ò Kokojo: I will explain this to you as best I can.
18:34 Kokojo ò Okay, thanks.
18:35 tithin ò Kokojo: Many people may use an IP, but it's incredibly suss that someone who was derided and felt that leaving was his best option has left. Three days after he has left, a new member with the exact same IP has shown up with the same IP. It happens, but the overlap is ASTOUNDINGLY slim, based off the fact that, lets face it, ours is a niche topic.
18:35 ò Cheetah_ [Cheetah@dsl081-172-022.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #FFH
18:36 tithin ò So, to clarify, the chances of it being someone else are marginal at best. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but both the timing, and the ip being identical are pointers to them being the same. If it genuinely was another person on the same university network, then they would have a very similar, but different IP address.
18:36 Lasting_Dawn ò Good evening, Cheeth.
18:36 Lasting_Dawn ò Cheetah*
18:36 tithin ò Most organisations, including universities and businesses buy their external IP addresses, Ie, they will buy a range.
18:36 tithin ò 78.101.xxx.xxx
18:36 tithin ò So that they can hand out IPs like candy.
18:37 Kokojo ò But 2 days ago, she did say she was using a proxy... does that change anything ?
18:37 tithin ò Not in this case no, because the proxy she was using was only for irc
18:37 ò Cheetah [Cheetah@dsl081-172-022.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC
18:37 Kokojo ò oh.
18:38 Kokojo ò well, so either it's a big coincidence, or shes our man.
18:38 Kokojo ò thank.
18:38 tithin ò Precisely, yes.
18:38 Kokojo ò But even there, it's not that bad at itself...like everyone said.
18:38 Kokojo ò I for a temp ban again.
18:38 tithin ò i don't think the issue was that she lied, but that she lied consistently, even when presented with the evidence, and then laughed in zodiacs face afterwards
18:39 tithin ò like I said in the thread, I like the daft hippy, but if you spit in the site owners face, don't expect to be taken back with open arms.
18:39 @Zodiac ò precisely
18:39 Kokojo ò I don't know someone who could lie so well for 15 hours.
18:40 @Zodiac ò lie well?
18:40 @Zodiac ò it became just ridiculous
18:40 @Zodiac ò and she started flaming
18:41 Kokojo ò Zodiac, did KK logged back in since ?
18:41 tithin ò It's my opinion, zodiac, that you give her a week off and have a word with her. Just putting that out there.
18:42 FFMaster ò sounds kind of like the double box incident
18:42 @Zodiac ò I can do that
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Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 02:52:06 am
Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 02:52:06 am
I agree with Bastard Poetry on the chauvanist dealings, you all could have handled the situation a bit more gracefully, please, just learning the meaning of "restraint", would benefit you all.
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 01, 2009, 03:05:11 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 01, 2009, 03:05:11 am
Lasting Dawn best summarized why I'm so pissed.
I can't say anything for certain, as far as who Jukain really is and what really happened. All I have is my outside perspective, Jukain's posts and that chat log dwib posted to go off of. That is what it looks like to me, and I'm sorry if I've spoken out of line towards Zodiac without first understanding the reasons he had for banning her.
But nobody, troll or otherwise, deserves to be treated like that. Not outside 4chan, and (in my perfect imagination) especially not here.
I can't say anything for certain, as far as who Jukain really is and what really happened. All I have is my outside perspective, Jukain's posts and that chat log dwib posted to go off of. That is what it looks like to me, and I'm sorry if I've spoken out of line towards Zodiac without first understanding the reasons he had for banning her.
But nobody, troll or otherwise, deserves to be treated like that. Not outside 4chan, and (in my perfect imagination) especially not here.
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:06:19 am
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:06:19 am
This is so fucked up I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
So I don't know Jukain or this KK character, or the situations leading up to all this drama and it doesn't really matter. The behavior of many of the members in that conversation were pathetic, sad, and disgusting. Whatever the crime, gender, or personality of Jukain was, the treatment she received was inhuman. That was sexual harassment. I know people like to say "I was just joking going for a laugh" or "It's just the internet, it doesn't count", but those are pathetic excuses for not having anything better to offer in the department of comedic value other than slandering others or that they lack self control, decency, and social skills and make themselves feel better by mistreating others when they don't perceive any consequences. If you want to talk about breaking rules, disrespecting, or deserving to be banned take a look any legitimate forum and see how far down the list sexual harassment is and what the consequences are.
Everything else there was just people hoping on the bandwagon. It doesn't matter if someone is right or wrong if everyone is setting out to prove you wrong. Insults, mocking, and ganging up on someone isn't a conversation, it's a witch hunt. Which is exactly what that was, given two choices with the same consequence:
1) Admit that you are actually KK whether you actually are or not and you wont be a liar in my eyes, but you are banned.
2) Don't admit that you are KK and I ban you for being a liar.
You can argue all these points all you want and for all I know Jukain wasn't even banned, but here is my bottom line: Even if Jukain was KK and had been trolling everyone since she got here, the reaction of our members was far more heinous.
This is the second time in a couple weeks that I have just been completely disgusted by they going-ons at this forum. IRL I'm a busy guy and working on FFH projects is the main thing I do with my free time and it truly saddens me to see this kind of thing going on here.
So I don't know Jukain or this KK character, or the situations leading up to all this drama and it doesn't really matter. The behavior of many of the members in that conversation were pathetic, sad, and disgusting. Whatever the crime, gender, or personality of Jukain was, the treatment she received was inhuman. That was sexual harassment. I know people like to say "I was just joking going for a laugh" or "It's just the internet, it doesn't count", but those are pathetic excuses for not having anything better to offer in the department of comedic value other than slandering others or that they lack self control, decency, and social skills and make themselves feel better by mistreating others when they don't perceive any consequences. If you want to talk about breaking rules, disrespecting, or deserving to be banned take a look any legitimate forum and see how far down the list sexual harassment is and what the consequences are.
Everything else there was just people hoping on the bandwagon. It doesn't matter if someone is right or wrong if everyone is setting out to prove you wrong. Insults, mocking, and ganging up on someone isn't a conversation, it's a witch hunt. Which is exactly what that was, given two choices with the same consequence:
1) Admit that you are actually KK whether you actually are or not and you wont be a liar in my eyes, but you are banned.
2) Don't admit that you are KK and I ban you for being a liar.
You can argue all these points all you want and for all I know Jukain wasn't even banned, but here is my bottom line: Even if Jukain was KK and had been trolling everyone since she got here, the reaction of our members was far more heinous.
This is the second time in a couple weeks that I have just been completely disgusted by they going-ons at this forum. IRL I'm a busy guy and working on FFH projects is the main thing I do with my free time and it truly saddens me to see this kind of thing going on here.
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:11:27 am
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:11:27 am
Wow sorry LastingDawn, I totally shot you down in that last chat log. I think my chat program was on in the background and I didn't notice. Just started up the computer to check something and then shut it again haha sorry.
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Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 03:12:51 am
Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 03:12:51 am
Hehe, no problem.
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Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 03:39:04 am
Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 03:39:04 am
Cheetah, not to call you out or anything, but you say that many members called her out and sexually harrassed her. Whom did?
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Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 04:10:58 am
Post by: LastingDawn on March 01, 2009, 04:10:58 am
<@ZodiacBlade> omg I just jizzed in my pants thinking about Jukain
<Voldemort[Recording]> I said show tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> and you sent pics of a girl
<@Zodiac> no tits?
<dwib> LOL
<dwib> THE GUILT TRIP
<dwib> SO SHE IS A FEMALE
<@Zodiac> ARCH SHOW TITS PIC
<Voldemort[Recording]> I requested tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> I dont have tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> gtfo
All from the log, this borders on "for the lulz" which is just another way of saying "I hate myself and want everyone else to be miserable" really.
<Voldemort[Recording]> I said show tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> and you sent pics of a girl
<@Zodiac> no tits?
<dwib> LOL
<dwib> THE GUILT TRIP
<dwib> SO SHE IS A FEMALE
<@Zodiac> ARCH SHOW TITS PIC
<Voldemort[Recording]> I requested tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> I dont have tits
<Voldemort[Recording]> gtfo
All from the log, this borders on "for the lulz" which is just another way of saying "I hate myself and want everyone else to be miserable" really.
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Post by: Xifanie on March 01, 2009, 08:56:58 am
Post by: Xifanie on March 01, 2009, 08:56:58 am
After gathering information the evidence was clear.
If Jukain admitted everything from the start, I wouldn't have done anything at all because Voldemort is fast to spread information like "KK = Jukain".
All I tried was to make her admit it, but after a while she decided to start flaming. As I saw this wasn't going anywhere I just banned.
Jukain herself knew there was no way out through this if she kept it like that. Whatever her real motive for staying on the chat so long is still unknown.
If Jukain admitted everything from the start, I wouldn't have done anything at all because Voldemort is fast to spread information like "KK = Jukain".
All I tried was to make her admit it, but after a while she decided to start flaming. As I saw this wasn't going anywhere I just banned.
Jukain herself knew there was no way out through this if she kept it like that. Whatever her real motive for staying on the chat so long is still unknown.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 09:52:55 am
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 09:52:55 am
Lasting_Dawn, Cheetah, BP, Devils Advocating once again.
You guys are talking about everything except the actual reason he got banned.
You weren't even here for when it happened (And Cheetah and BP, you are never on the chat to know, or the forum for that matter. Neither was LD at the time, actually).
The only reason he got ridiculed was because of refusal to admit the truth in the first place. If he hadn't been lying all along, we wouldn't have put him through everything.
But some people try and save face no matter what, and that is what was truly infuriating and childish.
You guys like to come into situations (BP, Cheetah, others) to play Devil's alot, and I understand that can sometimes be pretty appealing,
but in this one I'm afraid you really CANNOT argue against the IP and the fact that he / she / it was lying all along.
Next time, try and take the actual reason the person was, you know, banned into consideration.
Banning alts who lie about it and ridiculing them?
I don't see what the issue there is, dude.
Perhaps you can submit a note in Zodiac's suggestion box on how he should deal with trolling alt's in the future if you want to change how he operates?
You should see what they do to alts / trolls on other sites. It's not even 5% of the simple "haha your an idiot! Bye!" that Zodiac did last night.
Exactly, so why are you drawing conclusions about it? Based on chat log of PARTS of a conversation?? Not good enough dude.
rofl of course it matters.. you're basically saying you don't know what you're talking about, but talking anyways
@LD:
right, the part of the log which he got banned in, which wasn't even 10% of the total events?
ah ok
nice theory LD
I have a better one, look:
]This borders on "For the lulz" which is just another way of saying you tried to troll on FFH and we found you out now get the fuck out you alt
But your theory about me hating myself must hold true, LD, afterall, how I make fun of trolls on FFH MUST reflect how I feel about myself IRL, doesn't it?
yeah that's what I thought
You guys are talking about everything except the actual reason he got banned.
You weren't even here for when it happened (And Cheetah and BP, you are never on the chat to know, or the forum for that matter. Neither was LD at the time, actually).
The only reason he got ridiculed was because of refusal to admit the truth in the first place. If he hadn't been lying all along, we wouldn't have put him through everything.
But some people try and save face no matter what, and that is what was truly infuriating and childish.
You guys like to come into situations (BP, Cheetah, others) to play Devil's alot, and I understand that can sometimes be pretty appealing,
but in this one I'm afraid you really CANNOT argue against the IP and the fact that he / she / it was lying all along.
Next time, try and take the actual reason the person was, you know, banned into consideration.
Quoteand yet you continue to pull shit like this.
Banning alts who lie about it and ridiculing them?
I don't see what the issue there is, dude.
Perhaps you can submit a note in Zodiac's suggestion box on how he should deal with trolling alt's in the future if you want to change how he operates?
You should see what they do to alts / trolls on other sites. It's not even 5% of the simple "haha your an idiot! Bye!" that Zodiac did last night.
QuoteSo I don't know Jukain or this KK character, or the situations leading up to all this drama
Exactly, so why are you drawing conclusions about it? Based on chat log of PARTS of a conversation?? Not good enough dude.
Quoteand it doesn't really matter.
rofl of course it matters.. you're basically saying you don't know what you're talking about, but talking anyways
@LD:
QuoteAll from the log,
right, the part of the log which he got banned in, which wasn't even 10% of the total events?
ah ok
Quotethis borders on "for the lulz" which is just another way of saying "I hate myself and want everyone else to be miserable" really.
nice theory LD
I have a better one, look:
]This borders on "For the lulz" which is just another way of saying you tried to troll on FFH and we found you out now get the fuck out you alt
But your theory about me hating myself must hold true, LD, afterall, how I make fun of trolls on FFH MUST reflect how I feel about myself IRL, doesn't it?
yeah that's what I thought
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 11:48:24 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 11:48:24 am
I might be missing something but my mind is blown by the cruelty of that log.
Eh.............I can't explain the anger I feel after reading that.
Troll or no troll you guys stepped over the line and never looked back.
*You guys = Arch Zodiac and everyone else involved in that attempt at a flame war.
Eh.............I can't explain the anger I feel after reading that.
Troll or no troll you guys stepped over the line and never looked back.
*You guys = Arch Zodiac and everyone else involved in that attempt at a flame war.
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Post by: AngrySurprisedFace on March 01, 2009, 11:50:22 am
Post by: AngrySurprisedFace on March 01, 2009, 11:50:22 am
Quote from: "Bastard Poetry"I agree with Kokojo.
I believe Jukain was telling the truth, and innocent. Read her Intro topic. She posted from her school's network. The chances of someone else ending up with the same IP is very possible. And even if she did lie, and really was KK, she has done nothing but contribute positive things to this community since she joined. That alone is enough to excuse her "past behavior," (which, as it seems to me, involved lying about a victory in 1.3. Big fucking deal).
I love you guys, but this is bullshit. You want the drama to stop, you get pissed off any time one of us "carebear pussies" stands up to your juvenile bullshit with some fucking DECENCY, and yet you continue to pull shit like this.
Fucking ban me if you have a problem with it, but this is the most juvenile, ridiculous, chauvinist and downright fucking INFURIATING thing I've ever seen here.
It was even worse having to witness it.
The only problem I had with it is that she kept saying "All you people" when I hadn't done anything.
X_x
My only contributions to that perl were my thoughts on the Powder Game AuraDragon told me to try, and trying to not have myself dragged into it.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 11:57:53 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 11:57:53 am
Also I would like to refer back to when everyone thought Koizumi and I where the same person.
Now as anyone who listens to VGA Cast knows that is not the case.
*Also to note I cannot log into FFH from Koizumi's network.
Now as anyone who listens to VGA Cast knows that is not the case.
*Also to note I cannot log into FFH from Koizumi's network.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 01, 2009, 12:09:19 pm
Post by: Asmo X on March 01, 2009, 12:09:19 pm
I refuted some of that evidence Zodiac spoke about but the case is still in favour of Jukain = KK. The way they post is almost identical. Throw on the IP and the atrocious first impression Klyde made and it creates a pretty damning narrative. None of it alone makes the case but all of it together? I'm inclined to say the ban was justified.
I agree the log was full of retarded though.
I agree the log was full of retarded though.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 01, 2009, 12:24:00 pm
Post by: Asmo X on March 01, 2009, 12:24:00 pm
though I hear now that she wasn't banned for having an alt per se but because she wouldn't own up to it. So w/e. If the issue is having an alt, then ban justified, if something else, then no comment.
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Post by: AngrySurprisedFace on March 01, 2009, 12:33:52 pm
Post by: AngrySurprisedFace on March 01, 2009, 12:33:52 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort"Quoteand yet you continue to pull shit like this.
Banning alts who lie about it and ridiculing them?
That is what he's getting at, I think.
Ridiculing them.
You guys could have banned her quietly off to the side and said what you had to say afterwards, but you made her take pictures of herself as some twisted way of proof, dragged out her ban so that reading the perl takes 10 minutes, and needlessly ridiculed her ALL because you thought she was someone else.
I think the general consensus of what everyone is saying is that it could have been handled a lot better. A LOT better.
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 12:52:00 pm
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 12:52:00 pm
Voldemort what I am saying is that no matter what Jukain did (blame her for whatever you want and this statement will still be true), how she was treated by members of this board was disgusting. If you think someone should be banned then just do it, or have a 1:1 conversation about it, don't make it about ganging up on them and adding insult to injury.
"Banning alts who lie about it and ridiculing them? I don't see what the issue there is, dude. "
That is gang mentality. "If you aren't one of us or you have pissed us of then whatever you get you brought down on yourself."
"Banning alts who lie about it and ridiculing them? I don't see what the issue there is, dude. "
That is gang mentality. "If you aren't one of us or you have pissed us of then whatever you get you brought down on yourself."
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:09:05 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 01:09:05 pm
QuoteThat is what he's getting at, I think.
Ridiculing them.
QuoteThat is gang mentality. "If you aren't one of us or you have pissed us of then whatever you get you brought down on yourself."
Quotedon't make it about ganging up on them and adding insult to injury.
I can understand this.
I still think lying alt got what he / she / it deserved, though.
If you're gonna troll a website, and you get caught, you better be ready to get pwned back.
Call it gang mentality if you want, I don't see it as a gang at all, really, only fairness.
I'm really glad Zodiac is the admin of this site. He solves problems and bans the n00bs objectively, if he wanted to have some fun with it, I don't blame him.
PS: There's been others like KrazyKlyde, and there will be more as this site keeps growing. I hope you guys support Zodiac's decisions in the future, because if it wasn't for him, you wouldn't know who is who in this site, that's how many alts / trolls this place would be filled with.
GAMEFAQs says hi
PPS: Dwib's chatlog is a poor poor secondary source of what happened, I regret that he posted it, because it's easy to draw the wrong conclusions based on that
OmegaPS: IP = IP, checkmate
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 01:48:56 pm
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 01:48:56 pm
There have been and there will be people who just want to mess with FFH and if Zodiac feels they should be banned then I'm fine with that. It is how it was done that bothers me.
Provoking people to see them at their worst is exactly what trolls want anyways. I believe FFH is better than that and can deal with these situations with more maturity.
In all reality I don't feel that bad about Jukain, what concerns me much more is the behavior I saw from FFH members.
"If you're gonna troll a website, and you get caught, you better be ready to get pwned back."
I would hope our community is above this type of thing. You make it sound like we are fighting for our little piece of playground in the third grade.
Provoking people to see them at their worst is exactly what trolls want anyways. I believe FFH is better than that and can deal with these situations with more maturity.
In all reality I don't feel that bad about Jukain, what concerns me much more is the behavior I saw from FFH members.
"If you're gonna troll a website, and you get caught, you better be ready to get pwned back."
I would hope our community is above this type of thing. You make it sound like we are fighting for our little piece of playground in the third grade.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:07:31 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:07:31 pm
That's not how I'm trying to make it sound, I'm just explaining what Zodiac did to Jukain
"pwned back" is a good way to put it
"pwned back" is a good way to put it
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:08:39 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:08:39 pm
As Cheetah says if you troll a troll you are trying to fix a wrong with a wrong.
Fighting fire with fire never ends well.
The ban was necessary, though your behavior throughout the process was not.
Fighting fire with fire never ends well.
The ban was necessary, though your behavior throughout the process was not.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:23:58 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:23:58 pm
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"As Cheetah says if you troll a troll you are trying to fix a wrong with a wrong.
Fighting fire with fire never ends well.
The ban was necessary, though your behavior throughout the process was not.
I don't try to control my behavior around people who are getting banned for alting / lying on FFH
sorry dad
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:25:40 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:25:40 pm
You are being hypocritical then. You are showing the ones getting banned that in that moment you are just as bad as they are/where.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:26:51 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:26:51 pm
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"You are being hypocritical then. You are showing the ones getting banned that in that moment you are just as bad as they are/where.
I don't lie about who I am to anyone here
but if you wanna pretend I am the same as the one who got banned go ahead
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:28:40 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:28:40 pm
I am not pretending your are different than you are on the forum. I have seen your vids and formed a fond opinion of you in particular as a man of action. I just believe you get over exited when someone is gonna get banned and let out an ugly side of yourself.
P.S. these perls have gone soggy.
P.S. these perls have gone soggy.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:35:11 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 02:35:11 pm
there needs to be a strict policy that if you get caught with same IP as someone else, lying about who you are, you gotta post tits or gtfo
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Post by: VincentCraven on March 01, 2009, 02:38:23 pm
Post by: VincentCraven on March 01, 2009, 02:38:23 pm
Quote from: "Jacob31593"these perls are all brown and mushy
As if I haven't quoted Jacob### enough times on this one.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:41:29 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 02:41:29 pm
.....................................................................
Sexual discrimination for one, and for two on occasion 2 people will have the same IP, hint me and Koiz, thrice I agree with the lying about who you are but all the evidence in the world doesn't compare to meeting the person IRL, so you must use common sense. As far as Jukain goes, what of the possibility she wasn't lying? You would have come off as the biggest assholes she will probably ever meet, that also goes for her projecting that image on the rest of FFH. We don't need that kind of publicity do we?
If there is no doubt though that they are lying, hint DC's alts, then they should be banned.
Not that DC should be banned. His alts are harmless and funny.
Sexual discrimination for one, and for two on occasion 2 people will have the same IP, hint me and Koiz, thrice I agree with the lying about who you are but all the evidence in the world doesn't compare to meeting the person IRL, so you must use common sense. As far as Jukain goes, what of the possibility she wasn't lying? You would have come off as the biggest assholes she will probably ever meet, that also goes for her projecting that image on the rest of FFH. We don't need that kind of publicity do we?
If there is no doubt though that they are lying, hint DC's alts, then they should be banned.
Not that DC should be banned. His alts are harmless and funny.
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:17:57 pm
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 03:17:57 pm
Voldemort after all this why are you still talking about posting tits.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 03:21:02 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 03:21:02 pm
I'm not sure, he might just be trolling now.
If so I rest my case if not maybe he is trying to prove something we don't understand, or that doesn't make sense.
If so I rest my case if not maybe he is trying to prove something we don't understand, or that doesn't make sense.
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Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 04:32:55 pm
Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 04:32:55 pm
It's a meme, more than actually a request.
I think.
I think.
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Post by: ffzman on March 01, 2009, 05:21:51 pm
Post by: ffzman on March 01, 2009, 05:21:51 pm
YOUR WORDS ARE HARSH!
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 06:10:08 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 06:10:08 pm
I will agree that I was harsh and nasty as hell to that person as soon as I figured out who they were (KrazyKlyde)
My actions were too extreme, trolling her for pics and all... you guys are right
but the ban is still justified and I am glad Zodiac saw through all her BS
My actions were too extreme, trolling her for pics and all... you guys are right
but the ban is still justified and I am glad Zodiac saw through all her BS
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Post by: Angel on March 01, 2009, 07:04:18 pm
Post by: Angel on March 01, 2009, 07:04:18 pm
Granted, I realize that in there being no clearly defined rules the administration is free to do whatever they wish on a case-by-case basis, but I don't see how it's justified. If they're not the same person, then none of what transpired is fair in any way whatsoever, and you cannot prove that they are the same person any better than you can disprove it.
I don't believe them to be one in the same. If you consider their reactions, Klyde dropped everything and ran when things went sour. Jukain shows complete disregard for your opinion of her, and is unwilling to relent on her attempts to be re-accepted into the community.
Also, I have not seen any instance of trolling, unless you would like to construe the multi-party debate on sexual infidelity she participated in as such. Anything else you could hold against her in that regard was provoked.
Even if you are convinced they are the same person, what does it matter? If Jukain leaves and then comes back on another account with the same IP, then I'd be more willing to accept your stance, certainly. But considering the above, and considering Jukain has done everything in her power to, at your request no less, validate her claims as to who she really is, I can't agree with it.
I don't believe them to be one in the same. If you consider their reactions, Klyde dropped everything and ran when things went sour. Jukain shows complete disregard for your opinion of her, and is unwilling to relent on her attempts to be re-accepted into the community.
Also, I have not seen any instance of trolling, unless you would like to construe the multi-party debate on sexual infidelity she participated in as such. Anything else you could hold against her in that regard was provoked.
Even if you are convinced they are the same person, what does it matter? If Jukain leaves and then comes back on another account with the same IP, then I'd be more willing to accept your stance, certainly. But considering the above, and considering Jukain has done everything in her power to, at your request no less, validate her claims as to who she really is, I can't agree with it.
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 07:22:56 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 07:22:56 pm
Quoteyou cannot prove that they are the same person
Zodiac checked their IP's, locations both on this site and via MSN
Jukain loaded up KrazyKlyde's email (the email KK used to register to FFH) while she was talking to Zodiac, and both e-mail accounts were on MSN, at the same time, from the same network
QuoteIf you consider their reactions, Klyde dropped everything and ran when things went sour.
this is false
Klyde didn't drop everything and run
the Jukain account was created 3 days after KK stopped posting
that's what KK did
QuoteIf Jukain leaves and then comes back on another account with the same IP, then I'd be more willing to accept your stance,
That is exactly what happened... except it was KrazyKlyde who left, and then came back ON THE SAME IP, ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT called Jukain
It won't happen again, though, because the IP is now banned from chat and from this site, so she cannot leave and come back on another account with the same IP
QuoteBut considering the above, and considering Jukain has done everything in her power to,
like Lasting Dawn said
would YOU admit to being KK after you attempted to start over with a new name from the same IP?
Jukain wouldn't
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Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 07:26:00 pm
Post by: tithin on March 01, 2009, 07:26:00 pm
holy shit it's the internet
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 07:29:21 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 01, 2009, 07:29:21 pm
Quote from: "tithin"holy shit it's the internet
I think this philosophical tithin quote says it all and so much more.
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Post by: CidIII on March 01, 2009, 07:35:34 pm
Post by: CidIII on March 01, 2009, 07:35:34 pm
Maybe Voldemort did go a bit too far.
But, there is no need to get overly political correct about every little issue in the Spam section, now in this instance it might have been warranted. However, other times I have seen people spaz out about something when obviously it is a joke. For goodness sake can't we all just take a step back and laugh at each other, without some Nazis jumping down our throat for not being politically correct enough? I don't need people on here telling me that I am racist or chauvinistic just for satirizing societal ignorance, when clearly I am not.
And, I doubt Voldemort needs 5 people to post the essentially the same thing for him to understand that he went overboard.
But, there is no need to get overly political correct about every little issue in the Spam section, now in this instance it might have been warranted. However, other times I have seen people spaz out about something when obviously it is a joke. For goodness sake can't we all just take a step back and laugh at each other, without some Nazis jumping down our throat for not being politically correct enough? I don't need people on here telling me that I am racist or chauvinistic just for satirizing societal ignorance, when clearly I am not.
And, I doubt Voldemort needs 5 people to post the essentially the same thing for him to understand that he went overboard.
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Post by: Angel on March 01, 2009, 07:36:34 pm
Post by: Angel on March 01, 2009, 07:36:34 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort"and both e-mail accounts were on MSN, at the same time, from the same networkHaving both accounts signed into MSN at the same time is actually more of an argument in favor of them being two unique people. Not a solid one, but moreso than the alternative. Were the two MSN accounts resolved to the exact same IP?
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Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 07:38:52 pm
Post by: Archael on March 01, 2009, 07:38:52 pm
Quote from: "superjupi"Were the two MSN accounts resolved to the exact same IP?
yeah
that's when zodiac just said fuck this and decided to ban
too obvious
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Post by: gojoe on March 01, 2009, 10:21:37 pm
Post by: gojoe on March 01, 2009, 10:21:37 pm
i need to stop drinking white tea
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Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 11:48:16 pm
Post by: Cheetah on March 01, 2009, 11:48:16 pm
Thank you for admitting that you went overboard Voldemort. It isn't easy to do and I appreciate it as I am sure other members of the board do too.
As to the banning of Jukain, I'm not seeing the reason to argue it. I just hope that these things can be dealt with more tact in the future.
As to the banning of Jukain, I'm not seeing the reason to argue it. I just hope that these things can be dealt with more tact in the future.
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Post by: gojoe on March 02, 2009, 12:03:02 am
Post by: gojoe on March 02, 2009, 12:03:02 am
or everyone else could start drinking white tea
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 01:39:30 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 01:39:30 am
CidIII, I am sorry for labeling you like that.
The problem is that you guys want the Spam board to be lulzy, yet when real drama occurs in chat, people keep posting it here to laugh about it. Some of us still believe that FFH was a community built on respect, creative pursuits and support, and it angers us to see it turn into this; we see this immature drama, and we can't help but express our outrage. The accused fight back, to justify their actions, and the rest of the onlookers throw their lulzy spam humor in the middle of it, and it is unfortunately NOT the best timing on their part, when real drama has already broken out.
I've said it before, that I used to be a severe addict to 4chan. Some of the greatest and funniest stuff I've ever seen in my life come from there, and I'm all for the lulz. Unfortunately, it was too addicting, and I needed to break myself off from it in order to focus on various priorities in my life. So I don't consider myself a PC Nazi. The jokes are great, but I have a harder time accepting them when they occur outside of Spam (even if the chatlogs are posted in Spam later) or 4chan itself.
You guys need to understand that the reason I'm a "carebear" like this, the reason I play Devil's Advocate (although in this case, I think the wrong devil was applied to the phrase, as far as what my stance was), and the reason I spoil all of your fun is because I put too much of myself into my love of this community. I'm at a place in my life where I absolutely have to absorb and promote positive things, like the shamrock thing I'm doing lately, because the sheer amount of rage, stress and anxiety that I've been loaded with in the last year or so is causing me to only sleep 1-2 hours per night on average, and my health is declining.
I've had too many years of this anxiety, which I used to deal with by "venting" or, in other words, being a complete asshole to everyone around me. I'm making strong efforts to be a better person these days, and I'm taking steps towards improving my mental health.
So my apologies for making anyone feel bad, or guilty, or whatever. If this isn't the place for it, then fucking stop posting unfunny chatlogs here. If Jukain really was as bad as you guys say she was, and if anyone else gets that bad later on, deal with them privately, rather than making a public spectacle of cruelty.
The problem is that you guys want the Spam board to be lulzy, yet when real drama occurs in chat, people keep posting it here to laugh about it. Some of us still believe that FFH was a community built on respect, creative pursuits and support, and it angers us to see it turn into this; we see this immature drama, and we can't help but express our outrage. The accused fight back, to justify their actions, and the rest of the onlookers throw their lulzy spam humor in the middle of it, and it is unfortunately NOT the best timing on their part, when real drama has already broken out.
I've said it before, that I used to be a severe addict to 4chan. Some of the greatest and funniest stuff I've ever seen in my life come from there, and I'm all for the lulz. Unfortunately, it was too addicting, and I needed to break myself off from it in order to focus on various priorities in my life. So I don't consider myself a PC Nazi. The jokes are great, but I have a harder time accepting them when they occur outside of Spam (even if the chatlogs are posted in Spam later) or 4chan itself.
You guys need to understand that the reason I'm a "carebear" like this, the reason I play Devil's Advocate (although in this case, I think the wrong devil was applied to the phrase, as far as what my stance was), and the reason I spoil all of your fun is because I put too much of myself into my love of this community. I'm at a place in my life where I absolutely have to absorb and promote positive things, like the shamrock thing I'm doing lately, because the sheer amount of rage, stress and anxiety that I've been loaded with in the last year or so is causing me to only sleep 1-2 hours per night on average, and my health is declining.
I've had too many years of this anxiety, which I used to deal with by "venting" or, in other words, being a complete asshole to everyone around me. I'm making strong efforts to be a better person these days, and I'm taking steps towards improving my mental health.
So my apologies for making anyone feel bad, or guilty, or whatever. If this isn't the place for it, then fucking stop posting unfunny chatlogs here. If Jukain really was as bad as you guys say she was, and if anyone else gets that bad later on, deal with them privately, rather than making a public spectacle of cruelty.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 01:46:41 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 01:46:41 am
I too am a "carebear" because I used to hurt people (both physically and emotionally) for fun.
After a while that type of lifestyle gets to you and suddenly you hate to see anyone hurt.
It doesn't matter if they deserve it or not.
What I'm trying to say is try and use common sense as to what is a perl and what should never be brought up again.
After a while that type of lifestyle gets to you and suddenly you hate to see anyone hurt.
It doesn't matter if they deserve it or not.
What I'm trying to say is try and use common sense as to what is a perl and what should never be brought up again.
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Post by: SentinalBlade on March 02, 2009, 01:53:29 am
Post by: SentinalBlade on March 02, 2009, 01:53:29 am
BP your words are more true than you know.
We all love this community and want it to be safe and to grow and to prosper. like our own child if you will
Like an ignorrant mother looking after her baby when the neighbor kids gone stupid, we tend to outcast people who would infect the community. We should however break away from that. It isnt helping the community grow, its only letting the same people that are still in mature slightly.
IF your a noob, and ask a weird question, you dont deserve a confusing answer or to be flammed. I got pissed at wareya for this, cause of what he did to samurai...instead of correcting himself though(he says he was saying random things into chat and it was jsut bad timing) i had to step in 10 minutes later and answer samurai's question. that isnt the type of community this needs to be.
If you lie once, it shouldnt be taken so far out of hand you lie more times and are baited into other things that can get you banned. dont get me wrong, Jukain said her share of shit after things got off the ground, but Voldemort kinda provoked her. and he does have that way about him, i do wish i could explain this, but if youve observed his arguements, he is stubborn without absolute proof.
Its not that you went to far on your words BP, i feel the same way. The only person who needed a ban absolutly was MAgitek, but thats the only person to have wronged this community into banning her. This may have gone a bit far, and much more banning and we wont have a community left to promote, or even to have newcomers.
And on a side note
@CidIII
HOLY SHIT YOU SAID SOMETHING SERIOUS
<3 lol
We all love this community and want it to be safe and to grow and to prosper. like our own child if you will
Like an ignorrant mother looking after her baby when the neighbor kids gone stupid, we tend to outcast people who would infect the community. We should however break away from that. It isnt helping the community grow, its only letting the same people that are still in mature slightly.
IF your a noob, and ask a weird question, you dont deserve a confusing answer or to be flammed. I got pissed at wareya for this, cause of what he did to samurai...instead of correcting himself though(he says he was saying random things into chat and it was jsut bad timing) i had to step in 10 minutes later and answer samurai's question. that isnt the type of community this needs to be.
If you lie once, it shouldnt be taken so far out of hand you lie more times and are baited into other things that can get you banned. dont get me wrong, Jukain said her share of shit after things got off the ground, but Voldemort kinda provoked her. and he does have that way about him, i do wish i could explain this, but if youve observed his arguements, he is stubborn without absolute proof.
Its not that you went to far on your words BP, i feel the same way. The only person who needed a ban absolutly was MAgitek, but thats the only person to have wronged this community into banning her. This may have gone a bit far, and much more banning and we wont have a community left to promote, or even to have newcomers.
And on a side note
@CidIII
HOLY SHIT YOU SAID SOMETHING SERIOUS
<3 lol
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Post by: dwib on March 02, 2009, 02:14:03 am
Post by: dwib on March 02, 2009, 02:14:03 am
I do understand most of us went too far with the jokes (me included) but frankly a lying troll who is soon to be banned has earned no sympathy from me. I apologize to those in this forum I have disgusted by posting this chat log into the perls, but in no way do I feel remorse for Jukain. I was horribly disgusted and seriously pissed about how insistent she was upon lying. I have absolutely zero tolerance for someone like that. If you post a fake picture of you being Elidibs and fess up to it, I will think you are dumb. If you create a new account and continue lying about everything, I will flame you. That's how it goes, whether we stepped over the line or not. If we disagree on this subject, let's forget about it and agree and get along elsewhere, such as discussing FFT hacking. Military personnel may not like their commanding officer or fellow troops, but they share the same goal. Let's fucking get over it.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 03:00:38 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 03:00:38 am
The problem with the "carebears" is that you don't do anything. All you fuckers do is make huge grandiose statements. Once again, while you guys were posting about your outrage, I looked at Zodiac's evidence and proved that some of it was bullshit. Maybe you guys should concentrate less on making massive posts and more on understanding the situation properly and seeing what you can do about it.
Also, can we please stop calling this a troll? It's obvious she was trying to make a new start after a shitty first impression. Also, Zodiac's ban has to do with denying the alt, not making it in the first place. The appropriateness of the ban is exactly proportional to how much he is annoyed by the denial and everyone else should really stop weighing the fuck in on it. The way some of you goaded the situation in the chatlog made this situation completely irreversible.
Also, can we please stop calling this a troll? It's obvious she was trying to make a new start after a shitty first impression. Also, Zodiac's ban has to do with denying the alt, not making it in the first place. The appropriateness of the ban is exactly proportional to how much he is annoyed by the denial and everyone else should really stop weighing the fuck in on it. The way some of you goaded the situation in the chatlog made this situation completely irreversible.
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 03:12:36 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 03:12:36 am
In other words, you toiled away meticulously to uncover a conclusion that only took us two seconds to realize before we began our grandiose speeches to knock some fucking sense and humanity into some douchebag heads.
Great investigating there, Asmo.
Great investigating there, Asmo.
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Post by: tithin on March 02, 2009, 03:16:42 am
Post by: tithin on March 02, 2009, 03:16:42 am
Quote from: "Bastard Poetry"In other words, you toiled away meticulously to uncover a conclusion that only took us two seconds to realize before we began our grandiose speeches to knock some fucking sense and humanity into some douchebag heads.
Great investigating there, Asmo.
Please provide evidence.
I'm doing my best to remain objective here, but at least he is actively investigating the evidence provided, rather than jumping to conclusions.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 03:20:20 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 03:20:20 am
Explain how you came to your conclusion BP. tia
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 08:24:22 am
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 08:24:22 am
Quote from: "Bastard Poetry"In other words, you toiled away meticulously to uncover a conclusion that only took us two seconds to realize before we began
I don't get this. What conclusions did you reach about this? You just saw a chatlog and started playing devil's. (And upon further reading of your posts last night, the reason you did it was because of your own personal reasons, not because of the evidence you have, which is nothing but dwib's chatlog, really.)
BP you didn't reach any conclusions based on any evidence except "you guys were being too harsh".
I discovered the evidence and later Zodiac confirmed it to be 100% on this site and MSN. That is why he banned. Zodiac didn't ban because I trolled her, or because anyone was "in the mood to 4chan lulz" anyone else. You should know better than anyone that Zodiac listens to himself when he makes decisions like this, and no one else but himself.
Asmo's right about the carebear thing btw. You might not like the people who get absolutely angry at liars on this site like me and dwib, but the fact is, if no one says anything about anyone, nothing would ever happen.
I understand I got out of line with the rage and the trolling, and I can understand why some people feel that is taking it too far.. it probably was.
However rest assured Zodiac banned her for a reason, and the reason wasn't because he felt like hurting someone else, or because any of us want to be "evil". He did it based on evidence, which was right there, in everyone's face, and the person kept lying over and over about it just to save face.
Now please stop pretending like it happened otherwise.
QuoteI'm at a place in my life where I absolutely have to absorb and promote positive things, like the shamrock thing I'm doing lately, because the sheer amount of rage, stress and anxiety that I've been loaded with in the last year or so is causing me to only sleep 1-2 hours per night on average, and my health is declining.
I mean it with the utmost respect when I say this, but if things like this (drama) are such a bother to you, then perhaps you should avoid these situations and these topics.
I'm not saying they are good topics, or good situations, but they are just bound to happen in any kind of community (especially a growing one), like it or not, it's unavoidable.
Like I said before, Zodiac doesn't ban because of the lulz. He bans because he was being lied to while he had evidence right in front of him.
QuoteI've said it before, that I used to be a severe addict to 4chan. Some of the greatest and funniest stuff I've ever seen in my life come from there, and I'm all for the lulz. Unfortunately, it was too addicting, and I needed to break myself off from it in order to focus on various priorities in my life
Perhaps you feel like we are also going down your same path with the "lulz" or something, and you feel people who troll others for fun need to change or something? I don't get how your reversal of lifestyle is relevant, but I can understand you dislike drama and confrontations now unlike you did before. So I can understand you disagreeing with what I did to Jukain out of anger, and that is fine. But the ultimate conclusion to all of this was Zodiac's decision to ban, which was not based on lulz, or trolling, or anything else, but based on evidence.
To summarize; Zodiac did have evidence to come to conclusions, and he did.
Everyone else is just getting personally involved IMO. (Myself included)
And now:
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 09:17:15 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 09:17:15 am
Alright, the conclusions I came to:
I looked at the evidence, Krazy Klyde's and Jukain's posts, dwibs chatlog, the witchhunt gangbanging, the trolling and Zodiac's "explanation" of the situation, and I came to the conclusion that this is all fucking bullshit. Same as Asmo, except I immediately called on people to look at it for what it really is and demanded for everyone to grow the fuck up. Three pages later, Asmo presents the exact same thing I did, except he called those of us advocating decency a bunch of fuckers who don't do anything worthwhile.
I agree with everything Asmo said in the post before my last one, but I don't appreciate the disrespect towards us. Our stance has been, from the start, for you guys to show some g.od damned civility here. Voldemort admitted that he went too far, and that's all I was asking for. No, scratch that. I'm asking for more. I'm asking for Zodiac to unban Jukain, because she (Klyde or otherwise) had made a stronger effort to be a good member of the community under the name Jukain. And I would also ask--no, straight out DEMAND--that she be given a giant letter of apology, signed by everyone involved.
Same conclusions as Asmo, except I'm trying to, as he said, "do something about it."
What I object to is that FFH has turned into EXACTLY the same fucking elitist hierarchy club that caused Zodiac to leave CoN.
That's the conclusion I came to, and even if I jumped to the conclusion from the start, it's held up pretty fucking well overall.
Voldemort, I'm not playing devil's advocate for the sake of defending Jukain. I don't personally think that Klyde's lying about a 1.3 victory is that big of a fucking deal, but that's just me. I don't personally think that Jukain's attempts to start fresh and deny having any association with Klyde to be that big of a fucking deal. I find some of the attitudes I see here to be far worse than any of that. I'm advocating, and this is the last fucking time I'll say it, decency and respect.
And yes, I have personal reasons to promote my carebear bullshit, but you keep looking at my words and attributing them to the "devil," rather than attributing them to the people I'm TRULY targeting: the friends and people here that I have grown to love and respect over the last year or so, whose recent behavior sickens me to the point that I regularly find myself contemplating FFH, as a whole, as a cancerous force in my life that I don't have the energy or patience to continue dealing with.
I looked at the evidence, Krazy Klyde's and Jukain's posts, dwibs chatlog, the witchhunt gangbanging, the trolling and Zodiac's "explanation" of the situation, and I came to the conclusion that this is all fucking bullshit. Same as Asmo, except I immediately called on people to look at it for what it really is and demanded for everyone to grow the fuck up. Three pages later, Asmo presents the exact same thing I did, except he called those of us advocating decency a bunch of fuckers who don't do anything worthwhile.
I agree with everything Asmo said in the post before my last one, but I don't appreciate the disrespect towards us. Our stance has been, from the start, for you guys to show some g.od damned civility here. Voldemort admitted that he went too far, and that's all I was asking for. No, scratch that. I'm asking for more. I'm asking for Zodiac to unban Jukain, because she (Klyde or otherwise) had made a stronger effort to be a good member of the community under the name Jukain. And I would also ask--no, straight out DEMAND--that she be given a giant letter of apology, signed by everyone involved.
Same conclusions as Asmo, except I'm trying to, as he said, "do something about it."
What I object to is that FFH has turned into EXACTLY the same fucking elitist hierarchy club that caused Zodiac to leave CoN.
That's the conclusion I came to, and even if I jumped to the conclusion from the start, it's held up pretty fucking well overall.
Voldemort, I'm not playing devil's advocate for the sake of defending Jukain. I don't personally think that Klyde's lying about a 1.3 victory is that big of a fucking deal, but that's just me. I don't personally think that Jukain's attempts to start fresh and deny having any association with Klyde to be that big of a fucking deal. I find some of the attitudes I see here to be far worse than any of that. I'm advocating, and this is the last fucking time I'll say it, decency and respect.
And yes, I have personal reasons to promote my carebear bullshit, but you keep looking at my words and attributing them to the "devil," rather than attributing them to the people I'm TRULY targeting: the friends and people here that I have grown to love and respect over the last year or so, whose recent behavior sickens me to the point that I regularly find myself contemplating FFH, as a whole, as a cancerous force in my life that I don't have the energy or patience to continue dealing with.
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 09:23:00 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 09:23:00 am
Quote from: "Voldemort"I mean it with the utmost respect when I say this, but if things like this (drama) are such a bother to you, then perhaps you should avoid these situations and these topics.
I'm not saying they are good topics, or good situations, but they are just bound to happen in any kind of community (especially a growing one), like it or not, it's unavoidable.
Like I said before, Zodiac doesn't ban because of the lulz. He bans because he was being lied to while he had evidence right in front of him.
You're right, man. These are unavoidable consequences of a growing community.
I know that it is Zodiac's decision, always, to do what he thinks is right for the community. In this case, we're calling him on it because the overall treatment was, in our minds, worse than her offenses, and that chatlog posted earlier where he said he'd talk to Jukain after a week's ban is what I wanted to see.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 09:51:11 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 09:51:11 am
BP what you basically said is "I saw someone get upset and I wasn't very happy about it so I called bullshit/witchhunt". You didn't come to any reasonable argument for your conclusion on the matter based on the nuts-and-bolts proof zodiac possessed (the links between the IP, email registrations on FFH, dmbdate (or whatever it was called) website link, the myspace link etc etc). You know, the actual SUBSTANCE of his argument that Jukain and KK were the same person. Once again, you saw drama and couldn't resist a wildly emotional appeal. What you did does not count as refuting the case, which, by the way, is still wildly in favour of Jukain = KK. Dude just stick to your previous promise of not getting involved in drama. You fucking suck at it.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 09:57:09 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 09:57:09 am
QuoteAnd I would also ask--no, straight out DEMAND--that she be given a giant letter of apology, signed by everyone involved.
lol
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 10:02:56 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 10:02:56 am
Why don't we think of it this way you guy's.
If KK and Jukain are the same person than doesn't it seem fair to let her have a fresh start.
She did some dumb things realized it, and tried to change. All we did in return is say no second chances banhammer.
If she truly wanted to start over of course she wouldn't want the fact that she is KK to come up or ever be proven.
If KK and Jukain are the same person than doesn't it seem fair to let her have a fresh start.
She did some dumb things realized it, and tried to change. All we did in return is say no second chances banhammer.
If she truly wanted to start over of course she wouldn't want the fact that she is KK to come up or ever be proven.
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 10:17:46 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 10:17:46 am
I personally dont care one way or the other if they're the same person. But some people seem to think a case hasn't been made when it has or that the ban hinges on the outcome of that when Zodiac said it was because of the constant denial in the face of the evidence he presented. I'm just trying to clear up some misconceptions here. The carebear crew who don't seem to fully understand the situation and the trolling brigade who thought they had more evidence than they really did. The remainder of their evidence, however, is still strong.
Basically, Zodiac linked KKs email with a myspace and Jukain with an account on this other website. Scarily, all of these sources indicated a 22 yr old female Virgo and some other similarities. I say scarily because on closer inspection of the profiles they turned out to not be not related to Jukain or KK and it was just one of those freakish coincidences. The Myspace was owned by someone with a much inferior command of english and turned out to be in Italy. The other website indicated a hispanic and a few other things that didn't match.
Basically, Zodiac linked KKs email with a myspace and Jukain with an account on this other website. Scarily, all of these sources indicated a 22 yr old female Virgo and some other similarities. I say scarily because on closer inspection of the profiles they turned out to not be not related to Jukain or KK and it was just one of those freakish coincidences. The Myspace was owned by someone with a much inferior command of english and turned out to be in Italy. The other website indicated a hispanic and a few other things that didn't match.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 10:37:49 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 10:37:49 am
Lol at the coincidences.
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Post by: philsov on March 02, 2009, 10:50:35 am
Post by: philsov on March 02, 2009, 10:50:35 am
Quote from: "Asmo X"Dude just stick to your previous promise of not getting involved in drama. You fucking suck at it.
There's a way to not suck when it comes to drama?
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 11:04:53 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 11:04:53 am
Well you could always not post giant walls of text run entirely on emotion.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 11:07:32 am
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 11:07:32 am
That's what drama is though, emotion, and your "lack of" style of argumentation is fueling even deeper emotion into us "carebears".
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Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 11:12:38 am
Post by: Asmo X on March 02, 2009, 11:12:38 am
Then maybe you guys should chill the fuck out. It's not like you can "hog" level-headedness.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 11:31:48 am
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 11:31:48 am
I know Zodiac doesn't like being lied to and that is what truly caused him to get angry and ban in the end.
I think if you disagree with what he did, you should go question his decision directly via PM, because it's obvious some of us do feel the ban was completely deserved and justified.
Also BP and DP I'm going to point out that as this community grows, the % of people getting banned will be bigger and bigger. If you plan to get involved in everyone of those debacles and question Zodiac''s decisions constantly, then I wish you guys the best of luck.
I don't argue Zodiac's decisions, even when I am not 100% in favor of them (remember when I wanted Asmo as moderator instead of Dominic?), and I suggest you guys do the same.
You don't see me crying to Zodiac that he change his decision.
Zodiac's done a great job so far and will probably continue doing so, but I don't like these demands BP is making at all.
I think if you disagree with what he did, you should go question his decision directly via PM, because it's obvious some of us do feel the ban was completely deserved and justified.
Also BP and DP I'm going to point out that as this community grows, the % of people getting banned will be bigger and bigger. If you plan to get involved in everyone of those debacles and question Zodiac''s decisions constantly, then I wish you guys the best of luck.
I don't argue Zodiac's decisions, even when I am not 100% in favor of them (remember when I wanted Asmo as moderator instead of Dominic?), and I suggest you guys do the same.
You don't see me crying to Zodiac that he change his decision.
Zodiac's done a great job so far and will probably continue doing so, but I don't like these demands BP is making at all.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 12:06:04 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 12:06:04 pm
I know I can't speak for both of us, but we aren't going to questions every decision he makes.
The fact is we question this one.
We didn't go all out over MagiTek, Jacob, Llednar, or Zalge did we?
It is just that this particular case is not agreeable.
Zodiac has made very good decisions in the past despite them being unfavorable at the time.
The fact is we question this one.
We didn't go all out over MagiTek, Jacob, Llednar, or Zalge did we?
It is just that this particular case is not agreeable.
Zodiac has made very good decisions in the past despite them being unfavorable at the time.
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Post by: philsov on March 02, 2009, 12:15:31 pm
Post by: philsov on March 02, 2009, 12:15:31 pm
Quote from: "Asmo X"Then maybe you guys should chill the fuck out. It's not like you can "hog" level-headedness.
I'm just sick of the grave-dancing that goes on here. (Not directed at you, just a general statement.)
She's gone, great. Let's move on instead of prat for pages about it.
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Post by: LastingDawn on March 02, 2009, 12:18:53 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on March 02, 2009, 12:18:53 pm
Oh you fellows don't know the half of it... this is coming from me, last I checked I had a rather trusted stance. Though the way she has acted since her banning really does show some shadow on her "innocent" character. You see, I was a bit sceptical. Originally Zodiac was going to have it as a temp ban for nine days. Then she came back and started to say her ban was "injust" for the crime of being another user and lying to us about it, I'd say nine days is fair... needless to say when I asked about it yesterday Zodiac said three weeks now, since she had gotten huffy about it.
Then she comes in pretending to be a "good friend" of herself. She tries to convince me that she is not Jukain and that Jukain was not KK. Now this was the final straw, I defended her as well as I could. That's too much though, I didn't say anything though. Then she openly pretends to be this friend until we called her out on it (same IP). After that, she admitted to being Jukain and saying this "is the only way", now this is horribly flawed thinking, but does it not mirror another circumstance?
Really think about it... why would two "different people" come to the same circumstance? Especially since this mirrors that KK is Jukain because she took the same steps as she did then to avoid embarassment. Now I hope this will put a rest to this once and for all. She did herself in with the fiasco last night, Zodiac moved it to a full ban.
Then she comes in pretending to be a "good friend" of herself. She tries to convince me that she is not Jukain and that Jukain was not KK. Now this was the final straw, I defended her as well as I could. That's too much though, I didn't say anything though. Then she openly pretends to be this friend until we called her out on it (same IP). After that, she admitted to being Jukain and saying this "is the only way", now this is horribly flawed thinking, but does it not mirror another circumstance?
Really think about it... why would two "different people" come to the same circumstance? Especially since this mirrors that KK is Jukain because she took the same steps as she did then to avoid embarassment. Now I hope this will put a rest to this once and for all. She did herself in with the fiasco last night, Zodiac moved it to a full ban.
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 12:29:33 pm
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 02, 2009, 12:29:33 pm
Quote from: "Asmo X"Dude just stick to your previous promise of not getting involved in drama. You fucking suck at it.
You're right, Asmo.
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me. As I've said before, I respect your ability to cut through the bullshit and get straight to the point, regardless of how it may offend anyone. So I'm reading your words to me with a measure of fucking humility, and I need you to appreciate that fact.
I'm willing to admit when I'm out of line.
I guess what I'm really asking here is for others to do the same. Voldemort did, and showed that he really is as great a guy as I believe him to be. And all of the guys like Cheetah and darthpaul have gained more respect from me in all of this than they'll ever know.
What's done is done, and I can't keep beating the moral of the story into anyone's head. I think "Klyde" deserved her second chance as the respectful Jukain, and I strongly believe she deserves an apology, even if only for the manner she was banned, rather than the ban itself.
Then again, I don't know her at all. What the fuck do I care if her feelings were hurt?
I shouldn't give a shit about any of you, or the decisions people make here. All of you imaginary internet people are making me shit blood, and I need to get some sleep.
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 01:42:34 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 01:42:34 pm
I think LD might have a point. I could feel sorry more for her if she left for the duration of the ban, but she has to try and justify her point.
Eh what I'm trying to say is the way to take a ban is quietly without making a fool of yourself. Still that doesn't mean she necessarily did anything wrong.
So to close this why don't we wait for her to come back (if she does, (I might not be so inclined if I was her)), and if she doesn't do anything wrong we will drop it.
Eh what I'm trying to say is the way to take a ban is quietly without making a fool of yourself. Still that doesn't mean she necessarily did anything wrong.
So to close this why don't we wait for her to come back (if she does, (I might not be so inclined if I was her)), and if she doesn't do anything wrong we will drop it.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 01:45:49 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 01:45:49 pm
QuoteAll of you imaginary internet people are making me shit blood
this
is what I wanted to hear
thank you
QuoteSo to close this why don't we wait for her to come back (if she does...
From what she has shown so far (getting on a proxy to come to the chat and lying about being an IRL friend of Jukain), I am willing to bet she'll be back, and if she does, I hope ppl support Zodiac when he re-bans new proxy IP
Quoteand if she doesn't do anything wrong we will drop it.
that would defeat the entire purpose of the ban in the first place
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 01:57:21 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 01:57:21 pm
Quotethat would defeat the entire purpose of the ban in the first place
If she came back and continued to do nothing wrong, why not just be the bigger person and let whatever happened in the past stay there?
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:01:27 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:01:27 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"Quotethat would defeat the entire purpose of the ban in the first place
If she came back and continued to do nothing wrong, why not just be the bigger person and let whatever happened in the past stay there?
I am not the one you have to convince
it is Zodiac
the owner of the site
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:02:53 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:02:53 pm
I'm not trying to convince anyone, I just don't see the big deal. I really don't see why she wouldn't deserve a second chance.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:10:57 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:10:57 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"I just don't see the big deal. I really don't see why
If you were Zodiac, and a user on your own site lied to you blatantly to your face, repeatedly, wouldn't you have also gotten angry and banned them?
It's easy to not see it as a "big deal" when you aren't involved, isn't it
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:16:52 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:16:52 pm
Perhaps I would have gotten angry, but if the person was trying for a fresh start, I still think I'd lean more towards the "whatever, don't fuck up again", school of thought.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:18:43 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:18:43 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"Perhaps I would have gotten angry, but if the person was trying for a fresh start, I still think I'd lean more towards the "whatever, don't fuck up again", school of thought.I think you know which school of thought I belong to
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:19:44 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:19:44 pm
The one that lacks forgiveness and doesn't believe in second chances?
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:21:07 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:21:07 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"The one that lacks forgiveness and doesn't believe in second chances?
No, the Blaise Pascal School of Factual Thought
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:24:00 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:24:00 pm
Which if you had to summarize in paragraph or less would mean...
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:24:20 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:24:20 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"Which if you had to summarize in paragraph or less would mean...
The Blaise Pascal School of Factual Thought
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:25:44 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:25:44 pm
Which if someone put a gun to your head and said "what the hell does that mean?" summarizes to...
The Blaise Pascal School of Factual Thought? I'm just going to round that to down to nothing T__T
The Blaise Pascal School of Factual Thought? I'm just going to round that to down to nothing T__T
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:26:31 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:26:31 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"Which if someone put a gun to your head and said "what the hell does that mean?" summarizes to...
The Cool Kids School, ok?
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:27:27 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:27:27 pm
The one filled with annoying trendy music and 200 dollar jeans?
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:28:23 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:28:23 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"The one filled with annoying trendy music and 200 dollar jeans?
:oops: I didn't want to talk about that...
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:29:36 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:29:36 pm
You have just been defeated. WITH SCIENCE. Surrender or die in obscurity.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:34:41 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 02:34:41 pm
Quote from: "plainswalker18"You have just been defeated. WITH SCIENCE. Surrender or die in obscurity.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/9vf71i.jpg)
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:36:23 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 02:36:23 pm
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g218/planeswalker18/replyturtle.jpg)
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Post by: Ant on March 02, 2009, 03:19:35 pm
Post by: Ant on March 02, 2009, 03:19:35 pm
Wow, this last page is among the most epic things I've ever seen on this site.
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Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 03:22:02 pm
Post by: Archael on March 02, 2009, 03:22:02 pm
(http://i40.tinypic.com/htsppv.jpg)
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Post by: Ant on March 02, 2009, 03:22:39 pm
Post by: Ant on March 02, 2009, 03:22:39 pm
Wat.
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Post by: Dokurider on March 02, 2009, 03:25:07 pm
Post by: Dokurider on March 02, 2009, 03:25:07 pm
Topic is macro spam tiem
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Post by: Redux on March 02, 2009, 04:12:26 pm
Post by: Redux on March 02, 2009, 04:12:26 pm
Just passing through the mountains of Epic Win and lulz and fail. =) I find htis topic funny yet a bit unappetizing for my forum palette. Can't we all get our rage out on MagiTek? or is she old news now?
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Post by: gojoe on March 02, 2009, 04:39:33 pm
Post by: gojoe on March 02, 2009, 04:39:33 pm
i say BAN EVERYONE then you could all go out and get some white tea
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 05:33:22 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 05:33:22 pm
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g218/planeswalker18/1207164499807.jpg)
On topic: Tits. Are they bannable here?
On topic: Tits. Are they bannable here?
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Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 06:36:51 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on March 02, 2009, 06:36:51 pm
Finally spam is back to the way it should be.
Also I belong to the "show me your facts and I will point out the flaws(if they exist)" school of thought.
Also I belong to the "show me your facts and I will point out the flaws(if they exist)" school of thought.
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Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 06:39:22 pm
Post by: plainswalker18 on March 02, 2009, 06:39:22 pm
I resent my insightful commentary being described as "spam".
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Post by: Redux on March 02, 2009, 08:42:58 pm
Post by: Redux on March 02, 2009, 08:42:58 pm
I resent. Period.
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Post by: tithin on March 02, 2009, 09:44:51 pm
Post by: tithin on March 02, 2009, 09:44:51 pm
Resent deez nutz.
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Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 03, 2009, 01:38:31 am
Post by: Bastard Poetry on March 03, 2009, 01:38:31 am
Quote from: "Voldemort"QuoteAll of you imaginary internet people are making me shit blood
this
is what I wanted to hear
thank you
Oh. Good. I. Am. Glad. This. Had. A. Happy. Ending.
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Post by: TRC on March 03, 2009, 02:21:22 pm
Post by: TRC on March 03, 2009, 02:21:22 pm
ITT: lulz