Final Fantasy Hacktics

Post here your portrait, spritesheets, tentative skillsets for the 3 new chars:
zodiac, vincent and karsten.

zodiac is a dual wielding fighter
vincent is a cowardly wind mage
karsten is a cheap bastard that uses tricks to get advantages.

will Vincent get even lower brave than rafa?

so here are the infos for the tentative skillsets gathered so far:

QuoteVincent
Wind Mage
Zodiac Sign: Aries
Armored Mage equips? (would fit with the sprite Kourado made)
stats about like priest
3 move, 3 jump

Hmmz... I'd have to make new skills to be a wind mage, so perhaps I'll change class. Then again...
Set:
[Aero]
[Cyclone]
Kamaitachi
Dash

Zodiac
Majestic

Equip: Katana, Ninja Sword, Helmet, Clothes, usual accessories.
Innate Two Swords

moderate-low HP
moderate MP
low PA (due to two swords)
moderate-high MP
moderate SP

Wave Fist
Stigma Magic
Bolt
Blind
Reflect

karsten
mercenary description: a fighter ready to use any trick to win
zodiac sign: phiscus
equips like a squire,
4move/3jump
low magic growth, low faith (40?)
slight above average Hp growth
inherent 2 hands
class evade 10

skillset:
spit: spits at the opponent, enraging him. (add: berserk)
Throw sand: throws sand at the opponent eyes (resets CT to zero, add: blind)
Hidden potion: uses an item hidden for the hard times
hidden phoenix down: uses an item hidden for the hard times
Money Offer: promises money to an opponent. add: charm

vincent so already have a sprite. i have one but the portrait is bad :D

So liek:

Name: Vincent
Class: Wind Mage
Skillset: Wind Magic
Zodiac Sign: Aries
24 Brave 76 Faith

Equipment: Dictionary, Bow, Hat, Clothes, Robe, Shoes, Gauntlet, Armlet, Ring, Mantle
Stats: 36 HPC. 75 HPM. 30 MPC. 120 MPM. SpC 180. SpM 120. PAC 180. PAM 70. MAC 126. MAM 110. 3 Move. 3 Jump. 18% C Ev.
Innate: Defend (cuz I'm a coward)
Half: Wind
Immune: Invite (I am a special character...)


Not so sure about the actual speed/power/mp cost, but I'm aiming for quick but weak attacks on Aero and Aero2.

Wind Magic:
Focus => +1 MA (magical version of accumulate)
Aero => like Fire/Bolt/Ice with Wind; [CT2, Q10, MP6]
Aerora (Aero2) => like F/B/I with Wind; [CT4, Q20, MP25]
Wind Cutter => magic; linear 4v2 attack; [CT5, Q24, MP20] (cannot target opponent)
Cyclone => magic; 3v4 autotarget and harm caster too; [CT6, Q30, MP50]
Dash


Maybe not too useful but you can't say I'm not unique!

Quote from: "VincentCraven"So liek:

Name: Vincent
Class: Wind Mage
Skillset: Wind Magic
Zodiac Sign: Aries
25 Brave 76 Faith (Rafa is 31 right?)

Equipment: Dictionary, Hat, Armor, Robe, Shoes, Gauntlet, Armlet, Ring, Mantle
Stats: 12 HPC. 75 HPM. 10 MPC. 120 MPM. SpC 90. SpM 120. PAC 60. PAM 70. MAC 42. MAM 110. 3 Move. 3 Jump. 18% C Ev.
Innate: Defend (cuz I'm a coward)
Half: Wind
Immune: Invite (I am a special character...)


Not so sure about the actual speed/power/mp cost, but I'm aiming for quick but weak attacks on Aero and Aero2.

Wind Magic:
Focus => +1 MA (magical version of accumulate)
Aero => like Fire/Bolt/Ice with Wind; [CT2, Q10, MP6]
Aerora (Aero2) => like F/B/I with Wind; [CT4, Q20, MP25]
Wind Cutter => magic; linear 4v2 attack; [CT5, Q24, MP20] (cannot target opponent)
Cyclone => magic; 3v4 autotarget and harm caster too; [CT6, Q30, MP50]
Dash


Maybe not too useful but you can't say I'm not unique!

i like it. actually a very fast magic to peel damages is a must have in this game. if we add some wind draining equipment (to be stolen or poached) you might be really useful

by the way, i was thinking over when we should join the game. maybe instead of the first battle, wouldn't it better for us to join in the first chronological battle? i mean the one the cadets fight agaisn ramza and delita in the past? instead of battling those 5 "tortured thieves gang" they and to battle us 3... that way we would be available since chapter 1.

ideas?

haha be Algus's buddies at mandalia plains or something

Hmmmm....

If so, then we'd better boost enemy difficulty in chapter 1 by a lot.

I'd rather start the game fighting us 3, go through chapter 1, and then find that instead of getting Rad, Lavian, Aliciia, I get Karsten, Vincent, Zodiac. But it was your idea, so your call.

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Hmmmm....

If so, then we'd better boost enemy difficulty in chapter 1 by a lot.

I'd rather start the game fighting us 3, go through chapter 1, and then find that instead of getting Rad, Lavian, Aliciia, I get Karsten, Vincent, Zodiac. But it was your idea, so your call.

i think you're right, let's make so. by the way maybe as a cameo we can make the enemies' names in the first battles taken from people in the forum

Zodiac
Majestic
Zodiac Sign: Leo (b-day is August 6th)
Brave: 65
Faith: 57
Equip: Katana, Ninja Sword, Helmet, Clothes, usual accessories.
Inherent Two Swords

......   HPC...HPM...MPC..MPM...SpC...SpM...PAC..PAM...MAC..MAM.Mov..Jum..CEv
Majestc   11   105   10   115   092   105   42   060   45   110   3   4   17
Spiritual Arts:
Wave Fist
Stigma Magic
Bolt
Blind
Reflect

Quote from: "karsten"i think you're right, let's make so. by the way maybe as a cameo we can make the enemies' names in the first battles taken from people in the forum

I wonder who gets to be the lucky Squire that gets killed on his first turn? :O

Quote from: "NeedsMoreNoise"

Quote from: "karsten"i think you're right, let's make so. by the way maybe as a cameo we can make the enemies' names in the first battles taken from people in the forum

I wonder who gets to be the lucky Squire that gets killed on his first turn? :O

pick me, but when i die i should explode, prinny style

Zodiac you are selling yourself short a little as far as abilities.  Just an opinion,  but since you are special characters, I feel that each of you should have at least one original or rare ability.  (Zodiac perhaps???)  at least give yourself some magic balls and/or throwing stars.

I love the dirtiness of Karsten.  It's just something about breaking battlefield ethics that is very appealing.

Vincent, I love because of the originality and usage of a rare element.I would possibly add a hurricane attack, simply because i would like to add the animation from haste 2, where the whole board turns green and spins around.

^ That sounds like an easy way to deal with Cyclone's animation.

Just don't use the Hurricane animation to make single target spells(like Wizard's Fire,Ice,Bolt,Flare etc.) coz it crashes the game.

By the way, I like the idea of you guys being the replacement for Rad. Lavian and Alicia.  Are you going to get gained jp up since you wont be available until ch 2.

Quote from: "huthutchuck"By the way, I like the idea of you guys being the replacement for Rad. Lavian and Alicia.  Are you going to get gained jp up since you wont be available until ch 2.

From the things Zozma has been doing with Lavian and Alicia, I think I (and probably lots of others) would rather have those. I mean seriously, look at his sprites. ;-;. I don't mean that Zodiac/Karsten/Vincent shouldn't be included in the game, but not as replacements for Rad/Alicia/Lavian. This is also because from the job descriptions given in this thread, their classes would be less useful than the Mystic Knight/Red Mage/something that were being brewed up in the other thread(s).

Please enlighten me, what plans are for Rad, Lavian and Alicia.  Realize that in this patch Red mage will be a selectable class and not just a special class for Rad.  Also I'm not sure we can currently do the Elemental slash abilities yet.  I know Mystic Knight is one of my personal faves along with red mage, but i don't know of their will be room in this patch for that many special characters.  But please hip me to the work being done.  It's amazing how you can be in one part of the forum and miss something in another part.

Quote from: "huthutchuck"Please enlighten me, what plans are for Rad, Lavian and Alicia.  Realize that in this patch Red mage will be a selectable class and not just a special class for Rad.  Also I'm not sure we can currently do the Elemental slash abilities yet.  I know Mystic Knight is one of my personal faves along with red mage, but i don't know of their will be room in this patch for that many special characters.  But please hip me to the work being done.  It's amazing how you can be in one part of the forum and miss something in another part.

http://auritech.byethost13.com/viewtopi ... c&start=60 (http://auritech.byethost13.com/viewtopic.php?t=103&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)

http://auritech.byethost13.com/viewtopi ... 4&start=40 (http://auritech.byethost13.com/viewtopic.php?t=114&start=40)

Thanks for the links.  I saw them not too long after my last post.  The problem is that this patch is for the "big three" to insert them into the game.  We are kinda at a fork with this patch and sigma.  This  VK patch I see as a tribute the the three biggest persons responsible for getting this site up and functional especially after Philsov bailed.  Zozma has done some great work and I would love to see it included but it may be in Sigma if Vince and others are up to it.  Maybe it should be a third patch in the workings.

I was under the impression that this patch was going to be "the big one". That includes all changes thus far discussed and would incorporate the changes to Rad, Alicia and Lavian as well as including Vincent, Karsten and Zodiac.

the plan is to work on from the already existant sigma and developing it into something relly new.

I like the sprites and new classes you have been working on, but is there any particular reason that these characters have to be Rad/Lavian/Alicia? If not, then we can easily put these classes in somewhere else. We do have 4 whole chapters to incorporate characters, and we may even be able to add in new events.

Quote from: "VincentCraven"I like the sprites and new classes you have been working on, but is there any particular reason that these characters have to be Rad/Lavian/Alicia? If not, then we can easily put these classes in somewhere else. We do have 4 whole chapters to incorporate characters, and we may even be able to add in new events. ;)
maybe even in special random battles... so that people actually HAVE to explore everything to find the secrets around

Quote from: "karsten"

Quote from: "VincentCraven"I like the sprites and new classes you have been working on, but is there any particular reason that these characters have to be Rad/Lavian/Alicia? If not, then we can easily put these classes in somewhere else. We do have 4 whole chapters to incorporate characters, and we may even be able to add in new events. ;)
maybe even in special random battles... so that people actually HAVE to explore everything to find the secrets around

and seeing how Zodiac and Gomtuu are progressing with map editing and Melonheads FFTacText editor is out there are some pretty cool things that can be done!

im wondering now (off the subject of the specific patch,sorry) is there a way to make it so a special character could appear (on 1 specific map) in a random battle then set a flag so it never appears again even if that random battle were to hit you again? see i like the changes ive made for rad, alicia and lavian myself.. but i dont want them to join you at the monestary i want them to all come in seperately.. rad joining at the monestary but alicia and lavian appearing later...

i think you can add them after story battles. have them as guests.

yeah, imagine having the mystic knight (alicia) right at the start of chapter 2,

magic (black magic) sword skills shed shred the enemies before your slow guest agrias could get to them.. not to mention a strong magician character (lavian) i havent determined what shell be but she sure looks like the "flame seer" ... it would be wrong to let 3 specials join at the same time.. XD

by the way i was thiking about animations for the new skills:


skillset:
spit: spits at the opponent, enraging him. (add: berserk)
ANIMATION: Charging and then Throw soul (big spitting uh?)

Throw sand: throws sand at the opponent eyes (resets CT to zero, add: blind)
ANIMATION: Dusty Sand (geomancy)


Hidden potion: uses an item hidden for the hard times
ANIMATION: potion

hidden phoenix down: uses an item hidden for the hard times
ANIMATION: Phoenix Down

Money Offer: promises money to an opponent. add: charm
ANIMATION: Steal GIL or Gilgame Heart

what do you guys think?

Well, I'd say those are clever ways of showing the skills... the spitting is sort of funny though, lol. That's rather big for his mouth.

I really like the idea of a Bribe, it adds uniqueness and depth to the character. As well it shows believability that a person would return to it's normal "allegiance" when struck by the enemy that gave them money, or knocked to their "senses" by an ally.

Btw, how do I link sprites to a class slot?

Karsten, when you say 'equips like a squire' for your class, do you mean the original squire?

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Btw, how do I link sprites to a class slot?

Karsten, when you say 'equips like a squire' for your class, do you mean the original squire?

oh yes it was a copy/paste from before we allowed squires to equip everything

Quote from: "VincentCraven"Btw, how do I link sprites to a class slot?

Karsten, when you say 'equips like a squire' for your class, do you mean the original squire?

If you know how to link a sprite to a different class slot please be sure to post that info on the custom sprites section since id love to be able to link things like the mime sprite, to a custom job....

If we don't know how to link a sprite to a class slot (even an empty class slot), then we'll either need to replace classes that we can do without, or we'll have to drop this plan altogether.

I'm not sure how we're going to insert all of these characters, but I believe we may have to fudge the original characters a bit to fit in all of the characters.  Who do we have so far?
Zodiac - Majestic
Karsten - Mercenary?
Vincent - Wind Mage
Alicia - Mystic Knight
Lavian - strong magician character ("flame seer"?)


I don't know where exactly where all these special characters are going, but I do know that currently we don't have sprites for Zodiac or Karsten.  If you two would like to tell me what exactly you want to look like I'll get started on them. [Nevermind, these apparently are taken care of.]

Edit: Sprite making is soo easy with ShiShi.  Thanks melonhead! I went from "here's a taste" to "here's the first draft."
Still didn't add the portrait, though you can see that off to the left.  

Edit2: Finished!  My sprite is a type2, so I might replace one of the Lede dupes.

oo i like it!

It is a good start for sure. And Karsten has had a sprite for a long time. I think the only one left is Zodiac.

trust me im not abandoning my plans to create a sprite for zodiac but rl issues have forced me to put everything internet related to a complete hold for now. my computer recently crashed for one thing thank god i had the opportunity to back up everything first....

Well then, if you got that taken care of I'll just worry about touching up my own sprite (as far as sprites go).

I may change the arm accessories a bit, but it seems like a lot of work for little reward.  Mayhaps later.

wonderful Vincent! it loks great, really.

by the way guys i've not disapeared, but i'm sick :P)

we are missing female red mage and male blue mage and we should be done i think

Errr... we have a slight problem.

The male Red Mage sprite is a typeI, yet both Calculator and Mediator are typeII sprites.

Also, do we have a good female Blue Mage sprite?  I'll look around again, but...

type 1? type2?

i'm dragging behind... what's the deal? :shock:

Vincent means the red mage uses the Type1 SHP. You are trying to replace the calculator or mediator which use the Type 2 SHP. As a result, the red mage will have misplaced parts.

You can check the SHP of the sprite types using the latest release of the SpriteEditor. Just scroll thru the animations and check where the arms are placed correctly.

I am working on finalizing my Female Blue Mage. Look under "Female Sprite" topic under custom sprites.

Hmm I didn't know that about the type of the Calculator class. Maybe I can have the redmage work with that type though?

There is this weird glitch now where attachments that were lost during the "one week warp" or whatever are randomly popping up in other posts.

i understood the problem. i tought that all the human sprites were of the same class :P

Quote from: "karsten"i understood the problem. i tought that all the human sprites were of the same class :P

Yeah i thought so too CRAP! whats different like the arms?

Mostly.  I first noticed when I was using typeI for my sprite.

It was going fine until I got to the walking sequence that included two overlapping face sprites, and they were out of line.

Naturally, I was thinking "Man, I got to fix that" and I kept looking at the pics on the side which were fine until I saw the arms.  Then it just looked awful.  That's when I knew it was something else.  The typeI sprites don't seem to have the problem of an unlined face (using typeII) but the arms are always a big problem.

I'm sure I could just modify the arm locations or something, though I'm not sure that's the only problem.

Because of the name of topic I think we should talk Izlude job Knight Blade.