Modding => Hacking/Patching Tools => Topic started by: Xifanie on May 03, 2009, 05:21:19 pm
Title: Editing World Events & Drawing
Post by: Xifanie on May 03, 2009, 05:21:19 pm
So with this you can change when the game draws paths and locations... but not only this, you can change where and when the next storyline event will happen. It's possible that this controls everything relating to subquests too as you're not limited to storyline progression when choosing a condition.
I need someone to help me with this.
I made an excel editor that I joined in this post.
I can teach the basics but I don't know a lot myself.
If you see for example 6E000400 006E = condition based on storyline progress. 0004 = value, 04 is set after the first even at Igros after saving Algus.
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Post by: Cheetah on May 03, 2009, 06:02:24 pm
Very cool stuff Zodiac. I look forward to taking a look at this soon. I know Lasting Dawn is going to be all over this when he sees it.
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Post by: Kokojo on May 03, 2009, 07:07:40 pm
wow, neat. I may help when i can get back on my CPU, il tell you tonight. This seem awesome, our own scenarios!
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Post by: Goomba on May 03, 2009, 07:40:07 pm
Amazing.
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Post by: Kaijyuu on May 03, 2009, 09:26:44 pm
O.O
Excellent. Although, does this have anything to do with what dots go to which map/event? And is it possible to make new locations (maybe out of that blank one)?
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Post by: SentinalBlade on May 03, 2009, 09:47:43 pm
If you scroll at a decent speed, There will be numbers on the line between Zirkile Falls and Bed Dessert.
As of now, i dont think we can put blank ones onto the map, you might need pixel co-ordinates, maybe in a similar setup to unit positions on a map.
After a bit zodiac, the numbers shorten. there arent as many lines. Example would be Bed Desert and Zirkile Falls, The falls has a long list of numbers, the Desert, and the ones a good ways before it, have one line. Do you just not have it discovered or figured out yet for those maps, or do the maps with a longer list of numbers need those to function, and things like bed desert only need that?
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Post by: Kaijyuu on May 03, 2009, 09:57:00 pm
Here's my theory:
Each line does something to the map. Zirekile Falls has 9 lines, 8 of which have 6E001200. 12 can reasonably be assumed to be what happens after saving Ovelia. You: Erase the line to Bethla Garrison (1) Draw a line to Zaland (2) Draw a line to Barius Hill (3) Draw a line to Lionel Castle (4)
That leaves 4 lines. Maybe those change the color of and/or draw dots? (change color of Zirekile falls to green, draw Zaland/Barius/Lionel and make them red)
All Bed Desert would do would change it's dot's color to green, so it'd only need one line.
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Post by: SentinalBlade on May 03, 2009, 10:31:14 pm
Yea, but it only has 1. period. it doesnt have one that draws anything, it doesnt have one to initiate the next story partition, its just..there.
Your are most likely right about the bethla garrison eraseing, but the other two seem less likely for an odd reason. I would have to wait for zodiac on this, i have no idea how this would work or behave, but it seems like bed desert would have more than one line... and some of the other maps that have actual story progression and map unlocks only have 1 line... >.<
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Post by: Kaijyuu on May 03, 2009, 10:45:29 pm
Quote from: "SentinalBlade"and some of the other maps that have actual story progression and map unlocks only have 1 line... >.<
Hrm? Like what?
Riovanes has 13 lines: 7 lines to draw, 5 dots to draw, and the color change of it's own dot. Just like it should. Yardow has 1: just a color change of it's own dot.
What confuses me is Limberry. There should be 5 lines of code: 2 to draw lines through Dolbodar, drawing it's dot, changing it's own color and that of Igros. It only has two lines of code.
Zodiac will have to enlighten us.
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Post by: Xifanie on May 04, 2009, 06:17:51 am
You don't actually see Dolbodar drawn on on map, same with Bevernia volcano and the Igros/Zeakden path.
That's already possible in events, you can also activate dots and change its color in events; after spamming the whole map I had a full map and only red dots.
Red dots don't mean something will happen there. It really requires the kind of editing we're talking about now.
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Post by: SentinalBlade on May 04, 2009, 03:06:26 pm
That explains much and prevents any further confusion as to what it is meant for.
but how come there are so many lines fore Zirekille? whats the difference between that and Bed Desert, if al the drawing and color changing can be done in events?
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Post by: LastingDawn on May 04, 2009, 04:33:26 pm
I can't recall... but there are such things as unique propositions if I recall, may it be that some of these unknowns deal with them? (Though that doesn't explain away Zirekile...)
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Post by: Cheetah on May 04, 2009, 04:36:17 pm
There is a lot happening at Zirekille Falls. For one you have Gafgarion as a guest changing sides (correct?), then you have Ovelia joining as a guest afterwords (well kind of, she is rather invisible). The instructions may relate to specific characters being in your party, or other events being completed.
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Post by: LastingDawn on May 04, 2009, 04:42:28 pm
I couldn't see that because those are all very simple matters handled ordinarily by the game. ENTD dealings and nothing more, without those "precautions" emulating them would be a simplistic matter, so it must be something more, or something they left out of the final game.
EDIT:The Japanese got a jump on us in this matter, not only in map creation and map structure, but also in these event departments here. Of course a more... legible translation would do us a ton of good.
Title: Re: Editing World Events & Drawing
Post by: Kaije on June 10, 2009, 11:02:30 pm
Quote from: "Zodiac"So with this you can change when the game draws paths and locations... but not only this, you can change where and when the next storyline event will happen. It's possible that this controls everything relating to subquests too as you're not limited to storyline progression when choosing a condition.
I need someone to help me with this.
I made an excel editor that I joined in this post.
I can teach the basics but I don't know a lot myself.
Has any progression been made regarding the world events?
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Post by: Xifanie on June 11, 2009, 12:53:40 am
I should start touching this again in less than two weeks. I'm currently busy with something else.
But no, no progress yet.
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Post by: DonalbaneBeoulve on June 11, 2009, 04:29:56 am
Nice, maybe some previously unaccessible locations such as the Lenalia Mainstreet (via World Debug) can be accessible!
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 11, 2009, 11:11:14 am
We can actually do that currently... that's a simple change in Attack.out, problem is with most maps like that, they're unfinished.
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Post by: Shade on June 12, 2009, 05:24:07 am
So we have now gotten far on this game with this.
Question can we have sub map. that is diffrent from main map. Some little location that you can't see in map, but if you would enter some portal or some crap then you would be there.
Could that be possible?
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 12, 2009, 12:16:24 pm
That's how Murond works, with branching events that's a rather simplicity in actuality.
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Post by: Kaije on June 15, 2009, 04:45:54 pm
Okay, I've managed to scrounge up some time to skim through Zodiac's spreadsheet.
Commands for drawing locations appear to be 16 bytes, for drawing roads are 18 bytes, and the basic storyline events are 12 bytes. There's still 3-4 more command structures that I haven't even looked at yet...
Legend: aaaa = Condition to be checked, 6E00 being for the main storyline. bbbb = Value associated with 'aaaa' that is required for the event to trigger. cccc = Address of location or road to be drawn dddd = I'm not sure, but the pattern is 1900 = storyline event, 2000 = draw road, & 2200 = draw location eeee = ID to draw path from, ie 0600 = Gariland Magic City ffff = ID to draw path to, ie 1800 = Mandalia Plains gggg = ID of location to be drawn, ie 0200 = Igros Castle hhhh = ID of the "intial" storyline event, most likely points to Attack.out beginning at 0x10938 iiii = Possibly the event trigger, 0100 = On enter, 0200 = On exit (Just a guess)
This is just from skimming through the code and comparing it to other info from this site... I haven't had the time to test any of it, so if someone has some free time feel free to or I'll get back to it in about a week or so.
*Editted to improve format...
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 15, 2009, 04:57:55 pm
Whoa! Great work, Kaije! I take it you have some experience in these dealings?
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Post by: Xifanie on June 15, 2009, 08:16:56 pm
Nice, especially with the paths, I have been wondering a lot how the game would know from which location it would start drawing from. Heck I though it was fixed and not easily editable.
iiii is interesting because if you hack and are on the location of the next event, if you enter & exit a menu (world menu, shop, etc.) the event will trigger just like trying to exit the location.
I look forward to more work of yours; we barely have anyone that does this kind of testing.
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Post by: Cheetah on June 15, 2009, 10:56:41 pm
Very nice Kaije. This is very good and very necessary work. Since this contains address of stuff this also opens up the possibility of creating more battles since there is unused space after event instructions in ATTACK.OUT right? Also remember that there are also instructions for activating mid battle events in ATTACK.OUT, perhaps some of the unknowns are address for that information?
Awesome, Awesome, Awesome.
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Post by: Kaije on June 16, 2009, 01:34:44 am
Quote from: "LastingDawn"Whoa! Great work, Kaije! I take it you have some experience in these dealings?
Thanks, but I don't have any real experience with this. I'm just not afraid to use a hex editor... Besides Zodiac and gomtuu have done most of the grunt work, I'm just connecting the dots with some of the info they've posted.
Quote from: "Zodiac"Nice, especially with the paths, I have been wondering a lot how the game would know from which location it would start drawing from. Heck I though it was fixed and not easily editable.
iiii is interesting because if you hack and are on the location of the next event, if you enter & exit a menu (world menu, shop, etc.) the event will trigger just like trying to exit the location.
I look forward to more work of yours; we barely have anyone that does this kind of testing.
Yeah, I'll get around to some more thorough testing towards the end of the week. And thanks for posting the event instructions on the main site, I would never have been able to make sense of any of this without it.
Quote from: "Cheetah"Very nice Kaije. This is very good and very necessary work. Since this contains address of stuff this also opens up the possibility of creating more battles since there is unused space after event instructions in ATTACK.OUT right? Also remember that there are also instructions for activating mid battle events in ATTACK.OUT, perhaps some of the unknowns are address for that information?
Awesome, Awesome, Awesome.
Well, it just so happens I was poking around in Attack.out a few weeks ago. I don't know how far the community has come on deciphering Attack.out, but I suppose it won't hurt to revisit it since it is kind of relevant to what we're doing in this thread.
The following code was originally posted by gomtuu in the "Maps" thread of the Hacking/Patching Tools section:
x = duplicate, ignored data A = Scenario number: 1 (Just an index for this list, apparently. Also, whichever event is numbered "1" always plays first.) B = Map number: 0x3e (MAP/MAP062.GNS) C = Weather: 0 (Doesn't influence whether the rain animations are used) D = Day/Night: 0 0 = Day 1 = Night E = First Music file: 0x33 (SOUND/MUSIC_51.SMD) F = Second Music file: 0x34 (SOUND/MUSIC_52.SMD) G = ENTD entry: 0x0100 (Looks like this matches the "Game Events" list.) H = Character placement grid, 1st Squad (Placement grids are found in ATTACK.OUT at 0xbbd4) (For first scenario, using this makes the placement screen garbled.) I = Character placement grid, 2nd Squad J = Event script: 0 (Scenario 1 seems to be a special case because Event Script 0 plays just fine. Using Event Script 0 on scenario 3 causes wrong text to display.) (Also seems to control which scenario block the "next scenario" byte is read from) K = Next scenario: 3 (As indexed by A) L = 0x80 = World map follows this scenario 0x81 = Another event follows this scenario (K) 0x82 = Game reset follows this scenario (side effect, or intneded?) Z = Not sure yet, but setting it to 1 makes Ramza mandatory on character placement screen I don't doubt gomtuu's findings when he posted this, but from what I saw the Scenario data is neatly structured in sections of 24 bytes. Unfortunately, gomtuu's legend overlaps into the next event (0x10950 = 02). And as gomtuu noticed, every event is 'duplicated' at least once...
Now let's look at the attack.out code for the fight outside Orbonne Monastery beginning at 0x10968:
I didn't understand why there would be 'duplicate' entries until I decompiled the events and learned that there was a 'pre-event' event that doesn't get decompiled. Basically, every single event gets it's own entry in Attack.out and we have no clue what the first 'event' of any given scene actually does.
So unless you guys know more about this and I just haven't stumbled upon it, adding new battles is a long way off. We'll need to find/make room in Attack.out & Wldcore.bin, as well as expand Test.evt & the Entd files at the very least - unless I'm mistaken.
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Post by: Cheetah on June 16, 2009, 02:44:43 am
Oh I hope I'm not confusing things, because I wasn't following exactly what you were saying because I was unsure as to what file you were talking about decompiling. But I will say this and maybe it will help.
In attack.out JJJJ is the event script number, and this is the value that references where in test.evt to start reading event instructions from. Where the address for these pointers is is still unknown as far as I know.
If you take a look at the Mid Battle event instructions from Attack.out it may make the entire structure make a bit more sense: http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1961 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1961)
I'm not sure that was at all helpful, but hopefully it will enlighten you somewhat. I'm too tired to process this information correctly right now.
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 16, 2009, 02:25:53 pm
Ah, yes what you are referring to at the end Kaije is the "setup" entry, it includes the Actual Music, the event number used, and a few other odds and ends that exists only in the scenario setup. The reason this is done is to run an event from that and use the other as relative "buffers" for midbattle events. For instance...
This is all explored in depth in our wiki, if you haven't read it, I deeply suggest that you do. With your skills I'm sure you can find so much more out with the info. as such available.
ffhacktics.com/wiki
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Post by: Kaije on June 16, 2009, 08:26:24 pm
Yeah, I'll give it Attack.out a better look once I'm through with Wldcore.bin. With that said, I actually had time to run some tests today...
Everything worked the way I thought it would except for the "iiii" - I've no idea what else it could mean right now.
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 17, 2009, 12:20:51 pm
Wait... does that mean you could connect a dot from let's say... Murond Death City to the Deep Dungeon for instance?
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Post by: Kaije on June 17, 2009, 01:40:48 pm
Well, prepare yourself for a long anwer that isn't straight forward...
Possibly, but it's not likely... I'm not quite sure how this works exactly, which is why I didn't try to explain it in my previous post, but we're limited to what we can do with this code. Let's take my Gariland Magic City example, it has six entries (the first one being unique and I don't know what it's for) two of which are for auto-drawing locations, two more for auto-drawing roads, and the final one for Balbanes death flashback.
Most of my testing was drawing Igros Castle - Road to Mandalia - Mandalia Plains - Road to Gariland, and then have the Mandalia Plains event trigger on exit. The drawing occurs in the order the line entries are listed, so I reordered the entries through a hex editor and it froze the game. I suspected as much, yet I had to 'know' - those entries are referenced by pointers and the unequal byte lengths are a killer for mixing things up in game. Basically, the closest I could get to having things draw backwards was drawing the road from Igros to Mandalia, next Igros, then the road from Mandalia to Gariland, and finally Mandalia Plains - all of which looks very odd in game.
Also it's important to note that roads end before a location and you cannot pass through the void without a location present. So unless soemone expands and rewrites the code and pointers, it would be best to have roads and locations drawn from a Test.evt event. I suspect since storyline event commands are the shortest in bytes that they can replace the original draw commands, but even this will have it's limits. My theory as of now is, the game only checks the code entries for any given location when you are in fact on that location... so we still won't be able to add more storyline events to any place that only has one or none entries attributed to it.
I still have much more work to do to understand it all better, but it's a start... Any of that make sense or actually answer your question?
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Post by: LastingDawn on June 17, 2009, 03:03:50 pm
Indeed, it's basically a "maybe, but doubtful" sort of scenario. Test.evt is more then likely the way to go for the majority of it, but this allows us to control order of events, also if we can figure out what makes the Mustadio relevant sidequests activate we can change that to basically anything we want... this is a grand start though! It's another piece to a fragmented puzzle.
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Post by: Cheetah on June 17, 2009, 06:51:19 pm
Good answer Kaije, that makes sense. Still good news and you are definitely finding stuff that is pointing us in the correct direction. Keep it up!
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Post by: Xifanie on June 17, 2009, 08:04:15 pm
My spreadsheet already covers the pointer, and IIRC there is a lot of free space you can use to add world map events there. If you want to move a line, make sure you copy/paste and not 'cut'.
Are you just hexing manually? because since the spreadsheet already generates all the pointer values I feel it would be a waste of time.
Oh, as for the structure: Each world map location has a pointer, and it will continue reading until the next pointer. Concerning the storyline progress, if you want a specific value or something, you should use the Event Decompiler and find instructions like ADD(x006E,x002A). By checking the text, you can easily determine when world map events will activate.
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Post by: Kaije on June 17, 2009, 11:18:39 pm
Well Zodiac, I think I have some work for you... For the Beowulf side quest in Goland Coal City, there's two entries with the second one being the first mission with Beowulf. My memory is a bit hazy here, but aren't the following missions with Beowulf selected from a menu on the world map? I don't see anything in your spreadsheet linking to any of the scenes/battles/events accessed via the menu, so that's my job for ya when you get some spare time.
And yes, I prefer to hex manually... Someone else should confirm or correct any of my findings at some point in time, or so I would hope.
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Post by: karsten on June 18, 2009, 03:12:25 am
i think the city just turns red after talking with beo
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Post by: Kaije on June 20, 2009, 05:31:58 pm
I haven't had much time to look at this the past few days, but I did forget to mention the erase codes last time...
Legend: aaaa = Condition to be checked bbbb = Value associated with 'aaaa' that is required for the event to trigger. cccc = Address of location or road to be drawn dddd = I'm not sure, but the pattern is 1900 = storyline event, 2000 = draw road, 2100 = erase road, 2200 = draw location, 2300 = erase location, 2400 = ??? eeee = ID to draw path from ffff = ID to draw path to gggg = ID of location to be drawn hhhh = ID of the "setup" storyline event iiii = ???
I was going over Mustadio's and Beowulf's events, but haven't made a whole lot of progress as of yet. I'll also be away on business for about a week, so it'll be a while before I can get back to any of this or give an update.
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Post by: Xifanie on July 08, 2009, 02:43:33 pm
Structure: Conditions, Actions
Refer to http://www.ffhacktics.com/instructions.php?id=B0 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/instructions.php?id=B0) for Integer IDs.
2200 0D00 (draw Bevernia Free City) DDDD EEEE DDDD = 0x0022 EEEE = Location IDMake sure you create a condition to only draw the location if it wasn't already drawn. Example: 0x0001 0x020D 0x0000 or 01000D020000 (checks Bevernia Free City)
2000 1F00 0700 (draw path from Yuguo Woods to Yardow Fort City) FFFF GGGG HHHH FFFF = 0x0020 GGGG = Path to draw FROM HHHH = Path to draw TOMake sure you create a condition to only draw the path if it wasn't already drawn. Example: 0x0001 0x023A 0x0000 or 0100 3A02 0000 (checks Yuguo Woods - Yardow Fort City path)
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Post by: LastingDawn on July 13, 2009, 03:17:08 pm
Well Zodiac was on quite a roll last night! He basically cracked all of the unknowns in here (as well as his list right above helps)
We know how every sidequest in the game is activated and ran now.
May I say it is Much simpler then I ever personally anticipated. Want to kill Mustadio but also get the rest of the sidequests? Want to make a sidequest requiring Cloud? Or perhaps you're adventurous and want a sidequest that requires Kletian, Vormav, and Rofel. Though maybe you don't care much for a party, but are a treasure hunter... well how about making sidequests dependent on the Treasures you've acquired? In any case, such possibilities are no longer pipe dreams!
Allow me to explain...
Let us begin with the first optional event...
Steel Ball Found!
In Goug Machine City, let's bring up the hex that decides this...
G - Scenario Number (Refer to the wiki entry on Event order and Correlation)
H - End?
The event underneath that reference is the same but instead has a True for Aquarius and a 00D4 for Scenario. That's to awaken Worker 8.
Below that is the Odd Machine event, which occurs if you don't have the Cancer stone, the event below that (Summon Cloud) occurs only if you have the Cancer stone (and presumably if you've seen the event prior).
Zodiac has said that there is probably much more that can be done then the game shows, such as an event that occurs when you have over 65,536 Gil in any location, and I'm willing to bet that Undiscovered Lands could also play a part. Really... even Biographies could play a part. There is So Much possibility here! And now that we have it in our hands I hope you fine folk use it to the best.[/quote]
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Post by: Kaijyuu on July 13, 2009, 07:08:25 pm
I've always been bad at converting hex to code manually...
I figure I'll start with something easy. Say I want to take the Igros castle completion requirement away from the cloud recruitment battle at Zarghidas. There seems to be a bunch of conditions; is there any way I can tell which does what beforehand? Or would I have to mess with each condition to figure out what it does?
EDIT: Side question... I need a hex editor that doesn't suck. Every one I've tried keeps trying to insert the code generated by Zodiac's spreadsheet as text, instead of hex. Ex: http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4993/facepalm.png
Any suggestions? :P
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Post by: Xifanie on July 14, 2009, 01:12:43 am
Not only does it allow multiple spaces, but it uses the courrier font which makes every character the same width.
I'm not even sure myself of how you wanted it to look like, so I'll let you do it.
Just type it in notepad, when it looks good copy & paste in your post and wrap in a [code] tag.
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Post by: LastingDawn on July 14, 2009, 01:44:23 am
Alright, redid... that does that look any better and/or sensible?
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Post by: Kaijyuu on July 15, 2009, 05:30:24 am
Well, after a couple hours I figured this stuff out enough to do what I wanted. Cloud recruitable much earlier in chapter 4; the whole chain can be completed before Bed Desert. 99% bug free.
That 1% is a small thing. When I draw Zarghidas at the start of chapter 4, the camera doesn't move far enough to the right to show it properly. Is that controlled with this or something else entirely?
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Post by: Xifanie on July 15, 2009, 12:32:00 pm
I don't see why not, but if someone gives me an example of when the game moves the camera I could very easily find it