I chatted with Sir LD last week in IRC, and he said it might be better if Rad would have sprite changes throughout chapters, too. Sir LD said that rad should be like a red mage, but without a hat and cape.
Vanya provided the first Rad sprite (which we know).
Here's my attempt at a different Rad sprite.
Anyone can help making Rad concepts.
Let's get workin'.
i was gonna say add a cape 1 chapter then another chapter for hat, lol, maybe a change for armor, shoulders, or boots...
A scarf kind of fails to really denote anything about him. I think it should be a gradual change to the traditional look, and I agree that a cape is a good place to start. In my opinion, he should exchange a certain portion of his armor for the more traditional Red Mage garb. Cape, clothing and/or padding, and lastly outer armor, maybe?
QuoteIn my opinion, he should exchange a certain portion of his armor for the more traditional Red Mage garb.
Haha. Yeah. I don't have ideas for the moment, so I posted this so someone can help with a new concept for rad being a red mage.
Anyone know a different red mage concept?
Most updated version of the original art:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/final ... f1-psp.gif (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/a7/RedMage-ff1-psp.gif)
Here's a piece of really nice fan art that looks just like the concept:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/red% ... anshee.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/image/red%20mage/Kittymidi/8BT___Red_Mage_by_NorthernBanshee.jpg)
There is a trend of the Red Mage outfit being very reminiscent of The Three Musketeers. Their outfit is always lightweight and allows for great mobility. There is a protective cloak/cape, and the hat, but you said LD doesn't want the hat or the cape... hm... I guess have him gradually switch over from the basic plate mail he's wearing over to the lighter clothing and just skip the cloak and hat. Perhaps one of these getups (but please, no fluffy sleeves or cuffs...): http://www.zuguide.com/image/Chris-O-Do ... eers.3.jpg (http://www.zuguide.com/image/Chris-O-Donnell-The-Three-Musketeers.3.jpg)
The middle left looks like all it's missing is the cloak and hat, to me.
I see. The last image's outfits are worth a try.
That second picture of a Red Mage is awesome. Really adds to the impression of flambouyancy (spelling?) of the class. Perhaps if Rad's development reflects this it would be a good idea? I agree that he should progress towards looking like a proper red mage, though there must be some way of differentiating him as unique?
yup no cape but how does a scarf/muffler sound?
I like the one in the first post, but I think he needs new arms.
I think he would look more unique if we didn't add the cape or hat, and instead concentrate on the other parts.
Hmm, isn't he wearing a scarf in his first sprite, Winshmo? (Ideally though I wouldn't want him to lose it) Also yes Mike is correct, I don't want him to don the Cape and Hat, it's too distracting, Rad is Supposed to resemble a Red Mage, not play the part, which is what people will assume if he has either of those. Subtlety is key here,also thank you Mike for starting this thread, helps things out a fair bit.
beard
everything gets "awesomner" with a beard
of course, it don't need to be a full kyle katarn
but something like a mutton chop
it should give rad a more threatening appeal
the armor is ok
i think it just would be better to give him a red mage kind of hat
of course, the medieval pimp style of the ff1 could get distracting
but i don't know
why not?
Well , in what ways would Rad develope? From like a noble-looking fellow into a hardened merc? Or is it just a random change of attire?
Quote from: "Fusso"beard
everything gets "awesomner" with a beard
of course, it don't need to be a full kyle katarn
but something like a mutton chop
it should give rad a more threatening appeal
the armor is ok
i think it just would be better to give him a red mage kind of hat
of course, the medieval pimp style of the ff1 could get distracting
but i don't know
why not?
No beard, he's 18-20 by game's end. I don't want to give him a hat because people will Automatically say that he's a Red Mage, which is not particularly true. Rad's not a very threatening fellow, he's not supposed to be, for the most part. He's relatively humble and a very "chivalrous" man.
QuoteWell , in what ways would Rad develope? From like a noble-looking fellow into a hardened merc? Or is it just a random change of attire?
He starts as a Mercenary in Mercenaries, he's the Apprentice (class name) of Gafgarion. I can't really give details as to how he develops because it would ruin the plot, the outfit is only to show a closer relation to his final job (which is Red Mage) Ramza's outfits follow a different set of order.
Quote from: "LastingDawn"He starts as a Mercenary in Mercenaries, he's the Apprentice (class name) of Gafgarion. I can't really give details as to how he develops because it would ruin the plot, the outfit is only to show a closer relation to his final job (which is Red Mage) Ramza's outfits follow a different set of order.
Ah I see, okay then.
so why don't make him a little more like gafgarion?
the fact is that his face is kind of "standard" right now
of course, gaf's trademark is his mustache, and that is out of question
but that is up to you
maybe something as easy as putting a jack sparrow bandana
How about the current sprite being made the second chapter sprite, the first chapter sprite be the red clothes under his armor, and the third chapter or so could elongate his scarf to mimic a cape without actually being one? The armor would help differentiate him some, and most traditional red mages would have a full blown cape, not a scarf with one end tailing. I think that would be fairly subtle enough. That's only three ideas though, and aren't there four chapters...?
Alright, so the current style is Ch. 1, correct? Give him the cravat by Ch. 2, and start walking away from the armored look. I'd say give him the cape by Ch. 3, but that's out, for whatever reason. Maybe give him longer hair? And by Ch. 4 have him look as close to the Red Mage as humanly possible, without giving him the hat and cape.
Honestly, I say lose the hat, but give him the cape eventually. We don't see too many caped generics, especially in Mercenaries...By the way, can we slowly make him look older or more fierce in the portraits? Like Ramza in Vanilla: he goes from being a cute kid in Ch. 1 to a stoic young man in Ch. 2. All it really takes is some eye modifications and some slight tugs on the hair.
Indeed you may, that is a very deep and underlying points in Mercenaries is the changes that occur with Rad, so that is very fitting, sure I think we can try the cape. But yes, his current look is Chapter 1.
Yeah, giving Rad a cape won't hurt. :)
Winshmo did give Rad a scarf.
Quote from: "mav"can we slowly make him look older or more fierce in the portraits?
I think that is a must.
Here's a rough draft of a rad with a cape because it works with the outfit... for some reason everyone wants every character to have a cape (i.e. ramza). This isn't a comic book...
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/Chicken009/Radpresent.jpg)
It isn't a comic book, but it is a medieval setting.
To be honest, I didn't realize Ramza was getting a cape...two capes may be too many. Heheh.
Especially with essentially two characters.
I would call what Red Mages have a cloak, not a cape. Cloaks serve very practical purposes.
It is different from a cloak, but I don't know the name for it.
Many representations of Sherlock Holmes were one.
Great idea, change throughout the chapter. Hmm...what is suitable? What dwib has there is kinda unique.
Maybe make his dress look like a minstrel?
Like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bQHFCSUnZ48/SjDF3XQ4_VI/AAAAAAAAAbU/xblsjgoMhpw/s1600/ClownWansderer.png)
Left one, but w/ thinner clothes, and less details.
Hmm...Perhaps but less details because if not, Rad will become a clown ^^
Hmm, that minstrel outfit looks nice, if possible to base around that, it might be for the best.
Perhaps it's not a cape, but whatever it is, I think these are great examples of how the minstrel outfit works on the Red Mage:
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/thumb/2/2b/FFIIIDS_Red_Mage.jpg/800px-FFIIIDS_Red_Mage.jpg)
Yeah. Good Old FF3 DS days.
Should we choose the last one? Without the cape and hat of course.
I think the Ingus version i just right for this concept. Without the cape and hat, of course.
Maybe give him matching leg armor to go with the gauntlets instead of the boots?
I think this suit as a reference for that clown's outfit ^^
Okay, I'll try working with the Ingus version plus Rad's scarf.
Here's my work in progress.
Can someone join me with this?
It was based on Barinten's robe/jacket and Zalbag's arms and legs.
(will update the portrait later..)
That looks great Mike!! Very nice but is the glove sticking out a little bit? I mean if you look from the shoulder pad down to the glove, it looks like stick out a little bit. Also, can't really see the arms..just some dark reds at there. Same goes to his right (our left). Anyway, it still looks great ^^
Looks good so far--and no cape required! I'll take the portrait off your hands and ease up that situation; hopefully one of our many spriters can help you complete Rad. This would be Ch. 4, correct?
It looks very nice! One thing though: would the hat stay? Because I recall LD saying this:
Quote from: "LastingDawn"I don't want to give him a hat because people will Automatically say that he's a Red Mage, which is not particularly true.
QuoteOne thing though: would the hat stay?
That I think not. lol.
QuoteI'll take the portrait off your hands and ease up that situation
Go ahead.
Yes, it's for ch4. *i think*
@jimmy..
hmm... maybe someone can help me fix it.. hmm..
Barinten! Very nice! Most people wouldn't look to a incomplete sprite, but that looks fantastic! Great work, Mike!
Glad you like it Sir LD! Sir Zozma has an almost finished Barinten sprite, so I'll base the clothes from it.
Looks very nice Mike! It has a slight Red Mage feel but it's not forcing it
The only thing I'm not too fond of is the collar/scarf thingy... I know it goes with the Red Mage thing but... IDK maybe it's just personal taste, so don't mind me much..
Ah yes, speaking of the scarf... do you recall the scarf that Rad has in his first sprite? I was wondering if he could carry it with him through the chapters, it has a storyline purpose of course.
Quick question: Is their going to be a portrait change for Rad? Because as it stands, it pretty much just is a Knight's portrait.
I'd like to see Rad get a more unique portrait as well.
^To the both of ya, I also asked that question. Yeah, I think that Rad needs a unique portrait.
Unless it looks similar to Winshmo's art for him, I'm afraid that's not a possibility, by now Rad is recogizable by his face, but if you do something, base it off of Winshmo's current work, please.
Quote from: "MiKeMiTchi"@jimmy..
hmm... maybe someone can help me fix it.. hmm..
Alright Mike. I'll take a look and try ^^
Quote from: "LastingDawn"Unless it looks similar to Winshmo's art for him, I'm afraid that's not a possibility, by now Rad is recogizable by his face, but if you do something, base it off of Winshmo's current work, please.
Um, so Rad's face and hair has to be that of a knights?
If you take a look at Winshmo's seperate art pieces you'll see he differentiates how Rad looks from his portraits.
Alright, I did a little bit of touch-ups but I'm not sure if I fixed it. Anyway, here you go Mike ^^
What do you think?
EDIT: I touched-up the one on the left, without hat, since Sir LD mentioned no hat. ^^
Quote from: "LastingDawn"If you take a look at Winshmo's seperate art pieces you'll see he differentiates how Rad looks from his portraits.
Where could one find said art pieces?
i have to say, I like it. It would be nice if over the course of the game he gradually got to that point though. The jacket would make for a significant difference without being overwhelming... I think.
Quote from: "Fein"Quote from: "LastingDawn"If you take a look at Winshmo's seperate art pieces you'll see he differentiates how Rad looks from his portraits.
Where could one find said art pieces?
Mercernaries Art Thread.
Ah I see. Well the portrait could be changed. All that is needed is bangs in the front. In fact, it would do Winshmo's art more justice to give Rad a nicer portrait, I think we can agree that the bangs on the knight and the bangs on the Rad of the artwork is a bit different in the first place.
Perhaps if there's no colored art of Rad, he could have brown hair instead of blond. This would differentiate him from Ramza a little more, and make the portrait look less like a knight, especially if someone decides to do some minor alterations to the hair's shape.
That, and as many people have said, there are a lot of blondies.
I think we should still base it from the Knight's portrait.
I'll work on the portrait, you guys on the sprite. Thanks~
This design looks nice, but he is looking more of a noble than mercenary IMO. I think it's because of this white thing around his neck(I forgot how it is called >.>).
Still working on this one, just showing you my progress so far. Tweaked the hair, replaced the eyes and eyebrows, gave him a ponytail (just for kicks) and have begun the process of aging him.
I think it could be based from Gustav portrait,it so cool
the portrait looks great
This is looking great. ^^
Looks really good
Don't know if that's what Sir LD is aiming for though.
The ponytail doesn't look so great right now. Well, I mean it does look good, just not combined with the the thin bangs. Almost looks as if Rad traveled to the 80's.
Oh, very nice! Especially for later on in the game!
Still working on hair. Next step will be fixing the collar, cravat, etc.
Something looks off about that line you've got on the collar. It doesn't blend well and I can't tell what it is.
I didn't make the collar, but I believe it's some kind of fold. In any case, I want to get his face and hair down before I start working on the clothing.
In that case, I have no complaints about the face and hair. Looks nice.
Alright round 2: Mav gets bored and decides to fuck around. Result:
Very nice. The buttons are hard to see on the smaller view and might be pointless to have in there, but I don't think they are detrimental. I like it.
The clothing looks great but I don't like the eyes at all... he is missing a bang for his hair also (the one that goes upwards)
Quote from: "dwib"he is missing a bang for his hair also (the one that goes upwards)
I think he got rid of it on purpose.
Nice clothes. They don't seem shaded properly though.. but as I don't know much about spriting I can't point it out specifically =/
I did get rid of the upward bang on purpose, but I figured taking out the other two would be taking away what are arguably his most prominent features. I'll work on the eyes and clothes though--assuming you guys can clarify on what you think needs to be fixed.
By the way, this portrait is probably outside the color limit...
I see Nothing wrong with his eyes, if this is final chapter, the look in his eyes is Perfect!
Still cleaning up the clothing; fixed up the collar, made it look closer to the concept it's based off. Eyes are still the same--I could remove those wrinkly things...I guess.
They give him character and show the stress he's under, I like them personally.
I agree, I like the eyes a lot, and the clothes look much better. I like this quite a bit actually.
That is a cool portrait. Maybe a bit too harsh in nature, but LD would know best haha.
For me, Rad is the innocent one on the team. He should not be angry..
He should be neutral.
Quote from: "Eternal"His outward happiness belies an inner sadness, about his past and his parents....
Quote from: "Sir LD"Rad is meant to be... well he's supposed to be a complicated character,
Meaning he should look mysterious...
Also, I didn't like the new hair..
The clothes were great on the other hand.
I don't know..
In the last chapter, I would assume Ramza and/or the player would have learned more about him, so he would be less mysterious in any case.
IMO just don't make him angry..
He can't get any woman if he looks like that..
unless he gave that up for the final chapter..
Neutral would be ok. As long as you don't make him cheerful...
If not, semi-angry looks fine IMO. It's like he's passed through some harsh things.
I think this looks great. Well done mav ^^
Quote from: "MiKeMiTchi"For me, Rad is the innocent one on the team. He should not be angry..
He should be neutral.
I'll keep the "stress" marks but give him his old eyes back.
And guys, feel free to gimme your suggestions on how to fix some things: e.g. what hair style should he have? The same as he did in Ch. 1? Something more like Gafgarion or something more like what he has now (long, semi-tidy), etc. I prefer to hear what people want rather than give them something that is only somewhat satisfactory.
EDIT: Eyes have been replaced, stress marks still there, now 16 colors (which was surprisingly easy, actually).
EDIT 2: Cleaned up some random blemishes.
I prefer the long haired look to Rad it fits him well for that point in the story.
I like both long hair versions: this one and the other one you did with a ponytail that stood out. Also, I like the expression on his face.
Yes, yes. That's more like it, mav! He looks more like himself.
Excellent. I'll give a try sometime with the hair, too.
But first.. The sprite should be taken cared...
Awesome. Hopefully this new hair style won't complicate the sprite...I don't want to give you too much work, MiKe. Though using Aliste's head (with a quick recolor) should suffice.
Phenomenal avatar, by the way.
Haha Thanks mav.
Okay.. having head swap for Rad won't hurt.. good idea.
Why not use the Mini Scarf so you can make the belt look better. ..
I tried it with my Treize and it left me a lot of space in the lower chest area
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/radmagewiptouchup1_488.bmp)
I wanted to make some recommendations for this but I thought it would be easier just to do an edit myself
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp347/Asmoad/treize_181.png)
Gorgeous sprite...this is easily one of my favorites as of late...
Thanks for the edit Asmo forgot to swap the colors from the butler change. . . I think I should also remove the black and brown pixel below the mini scarf since that was left overs from his previous version. . .
Edit: oh the shoulder was also anti-aliased just noticed it. . . the chest area has been cleared up too. . .I have a huge color problem with this guy now cause of the shoulder pad colors. . .
It looks like some kind of important general.. ala English guys in 1800 / early 1900. Nice work.
Looking great ^^
Well, I was messing around with the idea of using Rad in my own hack, so I grabbed Vanya's sprite and Rad's portrait and messed around a bit. I figured I'd take a crack at giving him brown hair, like I suggested in an earlier post in this thread.
So, here's what I came up with. Tell me what you think.
Both the sprite and the portrait seem to look flat, for whatever reason.
This was basically a project I decided to do at about 4 in the morning, so it's no surprise there's some things wrong with it; it was a pretty quick edit. What would you suggest, mav? I think the portrait looks acceptable, though.
Quote from: "mav"Quote from: "MiKeMiTchi"For me, Rad is the innocent one on the team. He should not be angry..
He should be neutral.
I'll keep the "stress" marks but give him his old eyes back.
And guys, feel free to gimme your suggestions on how to fix some things: e.g. what hair style should he have? The same as he did in Ch. 1? Something more like Gafgarion or something more like what he has now (long, semi-tidy), etc. I prefer to hear what people want rather than give them something that is only somewhat satisfactory.
EDIT: Eyes have been replaced, stress marks still there, now 16 colors (which was surprisingly easy, actually).
EDIT 2: Cleaned up some random blemishes.
I like this.
Except... there's something about the eyebrows... I don't know what it is.
I think they're the original knight's eyes and eyebrows, but I'm not positive. What do you think is the problem though? The hair makes 'em look off kilter? The shading is wrong?
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp347/Asmoad/treize_181.png)
there's something up with the feet!
Quote from: "mav"I think they're the original knight's eyes and eyebrows, but I'm not positive. What do you think is the problem though? The hair makes 'em look off kilter? The shading is wrong?
Ya the hair does do that a bit, but they seem a little... thick towards the middle of his face.
Could be just me though.
Quote from: "Voldemort"there's something up with the feet!
I see that too. The shape is bit out and with the shading, it looks weird. Though that can be fix easily ^^
the lighter tone should be the shine to the leather but yeah shape wise. . . should probably erase the 3 pixels making it chunky from the original agrias sprite. . .
Hmm...I guess I'll hold off on modifying Ch. 4 Rad till we get a better consensus.
So we have his Ch. 1 down, and he'll have a robe and longish hair by Ch. 4...what should happen in between? Are Ch. 2 and Ch. 3 Rad going to look different from one another, or what?
Okay, mav, I looked at it more closely, and figured out the problem. I did a more intensive edit this time around, and I think it looks much better. Here it is.
Hmm....as far as the portrait goes something has happened to the right side of skin (darkening the hair, but leaving the skin the same is likely the culprit), but the hair alone looks okay. I'll mess around with this too, but I don't know what will become of it.
Btw kafei, that wasn't Rad's original portrait. I made that for another rad sprite, in case.
Quote from: "mav"Hmm....as far as the portrait goes something has happened to the right side of skin (darkening the hair, but leaving the skin the same is likely the culprit), but the hair alone looks okay. I'll mess around with this too, but I don't know what will become of it.
All right, sounds good. There are some lighter browns I added (for the sheen) used in the hair that could probably be used on the face, so that would be a start, I suppose.
Quote from: "MiKeMiTchi"Btw kafei, that wasn't Rad's original portrait. I made that for another rad sprite, in case.
I tried digging around for a current spritesheet of Rad, but I couldn't find one. Was his portrait the same as Vanya's warrior? Is there a sprite that matches this portrait better?
Erm...Isn't this Vanya's Warrior sprite?
Ahh yeah. The submitted sprite for Rad was out of date, too.
However, the Mercenaries demo has it.
Or, we could tell Vanya to post it.
Wait, so which is Rad's new sprite? The above, posted by kafei? Or the one you made, Mike? I'm liking the one you made though.
The Rad sprite in the demo, I believe, is my original Warrior sprite.
As you can see it's just a modified Squire with the Knight's head.
In my personal hack I'm giving the Knight's a helmet, so I decided to keep the old knight head in circulation in this manner.
However, I'm thinking of renaming this sprite Rad (Mercenaries) since that has been it's most prominent use and I've since opted for a Warrior with a more 'FF1' hairstyle.
Such a beautiful sprite...
So what are the plans for Ch. 2 sprite? I definitely agree that we should keep the scarf in there, in some way, shape, or form, but what can we do to age him? A ponytail, perhaps?
Thanks, Mav. ^_^
Something like this for the portrait:
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/ch4rad_100.png)
But young-ify it some.
The sprite would be like ch1, but with the scarf and more red mage-like boots. Maybe modified arms and armor, too.
So, Vanya's Warrior sprite is Rad Ch1, and the above portrait is Rad Ch2? What about the sprite that Mike made? Is it going to be use?
That above portrait just one part of the work in progress for Ch. 4 Rad, I believe.
I was fucking around in MS Paint (which I declare to be the single greatest program ever), just to try and make a slightly new face. I don't mean this to be the next Rad portrait, but I just wanted to show an example of how we may be able to change the angle Rad's facing for his portraits. Kinda like Ramza in Vanilla.
Indeed, it would be great if some of the "Emotions" were portrayed as such, as well.
Though for Ch. 2, I want him to move from Armor to... well Red Mage outfit, thing, so what should the next step be taken at Chapter 2...?
Perhaps an armored top, but robed legs? Does that make sense?
To me, a robed top and armored legs would make more sense, but I'm not quite sure...I would love to see him keep the scarf though; it's a great memento for him, but obviously it would clash with a robe on top.
Hmm, very true, and I don't want him to lose the scarf either, hmm... perhaps a move from an armor like base to a cloth base atop?
What about a modified Onion Knight type sprite? Helmetless, replace the cape with a scarf, make sure armor placement fits within the scheme we're going for, and give him a dirtier, more crimson color scheme and you'd be set. It wouldn't be as neat or creative as his Ch. 4 version, but it's somewhere in between a Red Mage and a Warrior/Squire class.
Maybe not though; the Onion Knight isn't all that much like the Red Mage and I don't know how people feel about that particular sprite...
I thought the Onion Knight looked nice, and their outfits were top notch, in Chapter 1, he's wearing what seems to be rather bulky armor, then onto Light armor, than onto a sort of clothing/robe combination then the Red Mage Outfit, does that sound good?
Makes sense to me. Let's hear what the spriters have to say.
That portrait is great mav. Looks unique. As for the sprite, I think the scarf should stay too. Its like a unique look for Rad ^^
I think Onion Knight looks good too, though its armored rather than robe/cloth like Sir LD said.
Wait, you mean from Ch1 (armor) to Ch4 (robe)?
I think I'll wait on doing my Rad modifications until we get these sprites out of the way. Right now, they seem all over the place, and no one can really provide the definitive Rad concept.
Yeah Jimmy, Ch. 1 was armored, Ch. 2 will likely be only partially armored, Ch. 3 will be relatively armorless but not completely covered in the Red Mage robes, and Ch. 4 will be the modified robe style that MiKe posted earlier (which is so fucking gorgeous...great job on that one).
Basically with the Onion Knight, once you drop the helmet it's just not too armored. It looks a little too noble, but it's alright...So where would that fit? Ch. 2, perhaps? I dunno. Maybe I'll try making a sprite tonight, so we can visualize what Ch. 2 Rad needs.
Okay, let's see about the Onion Knight idea.
I think that fits for chapter 2.
I'll be working with the rough draft on the ch4 sprite. Once I get a finished Barinten sprite, which Zozma have.
I see. Alright, thanks mav. Yeah, Onion Knight without helmet, aren't much armored, and its outfit is cool. Hmm...I wonder how its going to turn out? Looking forward to it, mav and Mike ^^
I would try with Rad, but I'm too busy with other sprites, so it's all up to you guys.
If I remember, I'll post the diagonal tonight. I haven't made it yet, but I'm sure it won't be tough.
And it wasn't. Keep in mind that this was just a quick color replacement. I just stole most of the shades from Rad's Ch. 1 sprite, and did the headswap. It's not amazing or anything, but it's a possible outfit for Ch. 3 Rad...Or was it Ch. 2 Rad? You decide...
i like where this outfit is going a lot... NICE work mav
Should we drop the mini-cape thing? If so, that may require a little bit more work, but I think we can knock it outta the way. Like on his Ch. 1 sprite, the scarf isn't evident--so I (or whoever does the portrait) will definitely have to include it on the portrait
I believe the cape is not neccessary. Other then that, it looks great.
Okay, with the cape out that does mean this'll take more editing that I know how to do. I don't wanna be an asshole, but would anyone be willing to remove the Onion Knight cape? I would if I could but I can't, so I won't. I could probably get Rad's head on there with little to no problem and editing the palette should take a couple minutes, at most.
Yeah, it fits him well.
Hmm.. removing the cape would be the hard part.
Yes, that fits well on Rad. Looking great and yeah, no cape ^^
Haha...yeah. Difficult...hmm
What's the thing on his chest? Make it clearer
Here's the art this sprite is based on for referance:
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/d/d2/FFIII-onionknight.jpg)
we should put his scarf over that weird sash thing on his chest for simplicity and consistency
EDIT : Although this might be a little too simple.. kinda boring
I agree.
Hmm..with that scarf, its good too.
Here's what I'm working on currently... though, not sure if this really pertains to Mercenaries or not anymore. I touched up the harsh outline you pointed out on the face, mav, though it may not be perfect. I also made some slight alterations to the eyes and hair to make him look a little younger, and to distance him further from the Vanilla Knight.
Though this probably won't be used in Mercenaries, feel free to take some ideas from it if it helps you. I'll probably use this for Rad in my own personal hack, but it's still a WIP.
The longer part of the hair looks a bit too blocky.
Is his hair going to be brown now or is it supposed to darken over the chapters or something?
Quote from: "Vanya"Is his hair going to be brown now or is it supposed to darken over the chapters or something?
I was about to ask the same thing. I like it blonde.. like it was before =/
Quote from: "Vanya"Is his hair going to be brown now or is it supposed to darken over the chapters or something?
I started this project as an attempt to give everyone another perspective of what Rad could look like, and maybe give people some ideas. It will not be included in Mercenaries, though I will likely use it somewhere myself. So, to be clear, Rad is blond and that's not changing.
Quote from: "Sephirot24"I was about to ask the same thing. I like it blonde.. like it was before =/
I would like it more if it didn't remind me so much of the Knight and there weren't already so many people that are blond. Don't worry, though, LD prefers Rad to be blond. This is less of an issue in Mercenaries itself, but should someone else want to use this Rad in a more traditional Vanilla hack, they'll have yet another blond that looks like the Knight.
I know what you mean. I guess I got used to seeing him blonde.
Quote from: "Asmo X"What's the thing on his chest? Make it clearer
Yeah, I didn't know what that was till Vanya posted the FF3 Onion Knights...Which is why I like dwib's version. Simple clear, translates easily to sprite form.
Quote(http://ffhacktics.com/forum/files/radchange_203.png)
Yeah, ^ looks good.
Can we keep the cape?
Quote from: "kafei"I would like it more if it didn't remind me so much of the Knight and there weren't already so many people that are blond. Don't worry, though, LD prefers Rad to be blond. This is less of an issue in Mercenaries itself, but should someone else want to use this Rad in a more traditional Vanilla hack, they'll have yet another blond that looks like the Knight.
Yeah, the use of that head for me is totally dependent on the old knight sprite not being in the hack; which it isn't in my personal hack.
On a side note, its too bad we can't give each special unit it's own set of sprites like in FF5.
I kinda like the new portrait, which Fein mentioned abit blocky. It looks good. Very nice kafei. And yes, blonde with knight head used too much. I think brown looks good. ^^
Been working on rad ch2... getting rid of the cape is hard but I got one view to look alright i think... definitely needs crits
IMO Rad should stay the same in ch1 and 2.
I guess that look should be for ch3. That's what I think..
EDIT: Hmm.. maybe that clothes would fit for ch2 after all, coz' ramza changed his outfit, too. makes sense.
Quote(http://ffhacktics.com/forum/files/radback1_704.png)
Fairly nice, add more dark shadings(esp. near his upper clothes) for the back. Good start dwib!
PS:
Sir LD, please make chapter 1 a bit longer!
Yeah, It's coming along. It definitely needs better shading for the pants.
Maybe it would be easier to switch those crappy SquEnix pants for similar ones from one of the other sprites like Algus, Delita Ch1, Cloud, or the Monk?
Very nice dwib. However, shouldn't the pants be a little shorter? I mean the upper part of the pants, the waist area, should be lower a bit, don't you think? ^^
Uh oh, looks like three shades aren't enough for these pants...Try stealing the legs from the male Ninja, the back from the Bard, and the arms and gloves from the male Onion Knight. I dunno...this seems like a lot more work than it should...
While it looks good, I really do not like that scarf, Rad is not an attempted noble, the scarf I picture is one more around his neck then tucked into his shirt (that can be seen on Winshmo's logo and artwork, as well as the bottom of the actual portrait). Also the first chapter's length in Mercenaries is very similar to it's normal length. I think Rad should have an outfit switch in each chapter, there is really no reason not to.
Blah, disregard my previous post: use the male Thief's pants (the red palette with black pants shouldn't need much alteration--the palette for the pants is perfect)...
And I agree LD, Rad deserves a different outfit each chapter--it'll keep things looking fresh. And although we wanna keep the scarf, which technically wasn't seen on the first sprite, how could it be implemented on this one? Should it be worn differently?
Hmm, perhaps around the neck, rather then wrapped around it?
Also I was wondering if we can retroactively add it to the first chapter sprite, if possible.
I can add the scarf to the Ch1 sprite in no time, but what do you mean by this?:
Quote from: "LastingDawn"Hmm, perhaps around the neck, rather then wrapped around it?
I think I meant hanging loosely around his neck, rather then wrapped around but... that seems sort of silly in retrospect. I think I prefer to have it wrapped if at all possible.
Should I use Winshmo's logo as a reference?
With the part hanging down the front like that?
If need be, but I would moreso prefer the scarf around the neck, rather then hanging, for the sprite.
OK. I'll post something later.
Hmm...Hanging around the neck for the scarf...Perhaps Mediator's scarf?, Like what I did with the Scholar for the scarf.
So how is progress on this sprite people?? Tell how far with works you all are, and if you are bored with sprite, just tell, I will try to finish it.
Well, I'm preparing for my exams as you can see from my signature. So, I'll get back once my exams are over ^^
Good luck with exams, I will have mine soon.
Btw, only you work on Rad sprite?? I know that other people were involved as well.
Thanks Kage ^^
Erm, no actually. I did help to fixed a bit of Mike's Rad sprite though.
MiKe was working on the Ch. 4 version, using [an incomplete] Barinten as the base. I think he's holding off for Barinten to be completed before he picks up where he left off. The portrait for it was ready too, if I recall correctly. I think the Ch. 2 and/or 3 versions were being worked on by a couple people, including dwib. LD also mentioned that he kinda wanted to see a scarf placed on the Ch. 1 version, so maybe someone can pick up on that?
Well I can't help, I have much work to do and school, maybe I will help some other time.
I want to help but I have exams. Haha.
Though, Sir LD mentioned about the scarf being hanging around the neck instead of tuck in, do you think that Scholar/Mediator's scarf could work?
Probably yes, I may look into it when I finish other things.
Sooo, looks like everybody ditched and we have to work on it from the start. I viewed whole topic to refresh my memory, and all we could use is CH4 Portrait of Rad, all else is unfinished. About sprite, I think it is concept time, who will volunteer?
Well Ch. 1 Rad is taken care of, right? Or are we planning on redoing the scarf for that sprite? Either way, let's work on completing Ch. 4 now; we know what we want (based on MiKe's concept and the portrait I did) and it would probably be more complicated than Ch. 2/3.
Here's the portrait, so we don't have to go digging again:
(http://ffhacktics.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3978)
I've said it before, I'll say it again, that portrait is fantastic! I also love how you managed to put in the slight bags under his eyes (similar to Delita Ch. 2)
Hah, many thanks, LD. Making portraits is easy with a project as inspiring as this one. Now let's see if we can't take that inspiration and churn out a few sprites here or there.
CH1 is done then, all we have to do is CH2&3 sprite and port, and CH4 sprite. We can do it, once I stop doing "those" sprites, I will help you with this LD.
wow is that your new Rad? looks great
I like that portrait. Looking good