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Title: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on June 29, 2010, 01:00:58 am
剣聖 (Kensei) was an honorary title given to a warrior of legendary skill in swordsmanship. Katelyn is the destined host of Shemhazai.

Kaytelyn, Proto R53 Final

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1456/protokatelyn53.png)


Katelyn "Tiara" R52, R51, 50
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3889/protokatelyn52.png)(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6699/protokatelyn51.png)(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9568/protokatelyn50.png)

^ Hair differences.



Katelyn with Cape Proto R42, R41, R40

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6553/protokatelyn41.png)(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7450/protokatelyn40.png)



Katelyn with Mask Proto R35

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4720/protokatelyn35.png)
^ for 1 vs 1 with Agrias (?)


Katelyn Simple Proto R30, R28

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4962/67120770.png)(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5835/screenshot20100701at124.png)

^28 maybe more suitable for Tiamat.



Katelyn Experimental Proto R25, R26 (experimental)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4349/39974093.png)(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1999/59516165.png)


Kate Proto R18, R19

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/733/protokatelynr18.png)(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3845/protokatelynr19.png)



Hair Transitions
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9273/screenshot20100630at836.png)



Katelyn, Proto R13a, R13b, R13c "Mantis Armor"

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4246/protokatelynr13.png)


R9, R10, R11
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7089/protokatelynr9.png)(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8948/protokatelynr10.png)(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/549/protokatelynr11.png)


Katelyn, Proto R3, R5

(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8994/protokatelynr3.png)(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9906/protokatelynr5.png)

^ Having some coloring difficulty in both cases. I do have a new design in mind that could get around the problem...



Trash
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5674/93981006.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: LastingDawn on June 29, 2010, 08:04:01 am
Yes, I was thinking a... warrior like version of...


(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080705150418/finalfantasy/images/thumb/6/65/Hal.jpg/338px-Hal.jpg)

As she was Agrias' teacher after all it seems pretty fitting that she would have the classic teacher look about her, in my opinion.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Kagebunji on June 29, 2010, 02:13:26 pm
Nah, it doesn't look good, LD, look:
download/file.php?id=5775 (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5775)

I think R's concept is better, I can tell right away that she looks like an older, veteran soldier. But, she is all in one color with different shades, maybe try giving her some more colors. Or try making that lower part of skirt into outline, might look nice. If you are definitly unable to change colors, I vote for this + outline I talked about:
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9906/protokatelynr5.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Zozma on June 29, 2010, 03:53:06 pm
i think R1 looks better but with r3, or 5's colors. the position of the skirt looks a little odd to me in r3 and 5
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: R999 on June 30, 2010, 04:40:54 am
New prototype R9 (See main post) update took a while to get right, but that's not exactly working for me either...  I am still going to try at least a few more concepts.

edit: See R10 as well.  That belt was very hard to get right, this sprite, as simple as it might look, was quite challenging. Though I have to say I am still not satisfied with this design overall.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Smash on June 30, 2010, 08:16:28 am
I have no idea how this character should look like, so im throwing this here for C&C

(http://i48.tinypic.com/290vrch.jpg)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Kagebunji on June 30, 2010, 08:24:41 am
I like R9 more, R. Though, maybe give her the gray hair? It looked cooler, more like veteran, wich she is s'posed to be.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Smash on June 30, 2010, 08:28:18 am
I was thinking something like Altima's hair, but with slight yellow tints


Anyways: (Just found the concepts collection thread)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/15xlbub.jpg)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Kagebunji on June 30, 2010, 08:52:46 am
You succesfully gave her older look, Smash. Though, I say, wait with this port for a bit untill we are sure about colors of hair etc. Though her right(our left) part of face looks over-shaded imo, it is too dark. Though this may be thing that makes her look old.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Smash on June 30, 2010, 09:04:30 am
Don't worry about the shading now -I did it in like a minute.

We're still on concept making.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Zozma on June 30, 2010, 01:01:36 pm
its really nice to have u here helping with portraits smash, they always turn out so well
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: R999 on June 30, 2010, 03:51:17 pm
Hair

You did a fairly good representation of her hair comparing to the sprite, but the problem is that I haven't finished her hair yet I am afraid, there's still a possibility that this hair won't be used.

I know it might not look like it, but this is the hair that I was originally going after,

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9053/conceptlilysaberart.jpg)



Face, expression

Anyway though the portrait's face looks like a man to me.  Face expression needs to be changed (and or shape of face). Even though she has attained immortality and eternal youth, I would imagine that she would look possessed by Shemhazai. I think a sleepy look would suit her quite well (with eyes similar to the generic Dancer's portrait) there's no reason for her to look angry.

(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery/female/92-0.gif)

Katelyn should be 30, not very old.



Edit: See first post for R11 update. She has better posture now (standing straight like a Knight) and some minor fixes. Still probably going to change her hair though. R13 would be what I call "Mantis Armor".
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: R999 on June 30, 2010, 11:37:50 pm
Update on hair, R18, R19 (see main thread).
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Holy Swordswoman
Post by: Archael on July 01, 2010, 12:36:24 am
err

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/733/protokatelynr18.png)

R18
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: R999 on July 01, 2010, 05:59:50 am
Added "Simple", "Experimental", and "Mask" concepts in the main post.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Kagebunji on July 01, 2010, 08:25:36 am
No, Arch, this is better IMO.

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4962/67120770.png)
R30 I think.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Smash on July 01, 2010, 01:47:51 pm
Quote from: "Kagebunji"No, Arch, this is better IMO.

(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4962/67120770.png)
R30 I think.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Kagebunji on July 01, 2010, 01:53:10 pm
But really, white hair looked great on her. Since she is not generic, why not give her white hair back? There are already so many blondes in FFT...

And Smash, your avatar is fitting for Cecil-Zombie IMO, hehe.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2010, 02:00:25 pm
Quote from: "Kagebunji"But really, white hair looked great on her. Since she is not generic, why not give her white hair back? There are already so many blondes in FFT...

And Smash, your avatar is fitting for Cecil-Zombie IMO, hehe.


uhhh she looked like an old maid with hair done like that... what about really light blonde hair instead?

btw, i agree, R30
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Kagebunji on July 01, 2010, 02:04:58 pm
Well, she is s'posed to be vet after all. I am alright with black, brown, even red, but please no more blondes, it is SO boring in FFT.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2010, 03:19:53 pm
Katelyn.... a red head maybe lol tho i donno how well that goes with the rose colored outfit
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Kagebunji on July 01, 2010, 03:53:10 pm
I was kiddin about red, but still, it would look better than blonde I am certain...hehe
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2010, 04:52:09 pm
what i was referring to with blonde anyway was the REALLY light variety, thats almost unnatural lol, like how my monica's sprite has an odd shade for blonde, its still not like the other blondes
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint
Post by: R999 on July 01, 2010, 04:58:58 pm
The problem with a different hair color scheme (and I believe this is the primary reason why most generics are orange-blonde) is for the simple fact that the colors can be shared with skin color. Currently she is using no less than 5 colors for her hair (1 sharing with the brightest skin color for highlights, 2 darkest colors of orange shares with the skin, and 2 unique hair yellows). Without at least 5 colors, the hair would lose its detail in her case. Yes, I could live with a less detailed hair, which I will be trying out later today when I get home.


First update: Kate with Cape, R42, 41, 40 (see main post).
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 01, 2010, 08:23:27 pm
Katelyn with Tiara Proto 50, 51.  This one comes with a new hair style.  See main thread.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Zozma on July 01, 2010, 08:35:49 pm
i like R42 (but with the rose gauntlets) more than R50 actually, the hair is more unique that way....
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 02, 2010, 01:35:28 am
Too bad, she's the King's Guard, so this hair would fit her more.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1456/protokatelyn53.png)

This is final, revision R53.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Kagebunji on July 02, 2010, 03:27:38 am
I like it, but I think that old hair looked better, more unique like Zozma said.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Lijj on July 02, 2010, 04:18:45 pm
Looks good! We have plenty of hair styles to hand out. I think this look suites her.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 03, 2010, 02:12:39 pm
Liking the new concept.



I made a new port concept btw, using the recent changes to the sprite:

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2lo1zxy.jpg)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: winshmo2 on July 03, 2010, 02:23:42 pm
I like :)
Good job! Especially with shape of the hair.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 03, 2010, 02:43:29 pm
Updating now

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2vm7uo9.jpg)


The patterns on the headgear are of Shemhazai's, btw.


No shading yet, a concept still
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Kagebunji on July 03, 2010, 03:03:37 pm
This is good, Smash, though, I can't escape the feeling, that her left eye should be visible, headgear prevents that though.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 03, 2010, 04:03:53 pm
@Smash: Looks to me the positioning of the eyes and lips are off. The bangs are too long, and the back hair shouldn't be very visible from the front.  I'll see if I can pull up a reference...
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 03, 2010, 05:09:20 pm
Quote from: "R999"@Smash: Looks to me the positioning of the eyes and lips are off. The bangs are too long, and the back hair shouldn't be very visible from the front.  I'll see if I can pull up a reference...
Don't know what you mean with "off".

I think a quick edit would help loads than refs to steer me in the right direction.. Since I don't really know exactly what's planned for this character, It's like shooting at the dark with these concepts.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 03, 2010, 05:47:05 pm
That crown thing looks really nice! You might want to use more pixels for her face because there's too much white space to the lower right of her face right now. As per our discussion in chat, there's no need to keep those eyes anymore.

Posting this for safekeeping, Refs for "mature woman" expressions
 
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery/Others/149.gif) (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery/Others/aeris.gif) (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/images/avatars/gallery/Others/155.gif)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 26, 2010, 09:05:50 pm
Newest
[attachment=0:2ewod5yc]Port wip.png[/attachment:2ewod5yc]

Looking for C&C before refining.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 26, 2010, 09:32:18 pm
I actually liked the old hair a little better (the new one looks very unnatural). Though I think the hair to the ----> of her neck needs to be visible more, almost like Miluda or the Queen's portrait. Does that make sense? If not I'll draw an illustration.

Edit: Something is not looking right about the neck, but I am not sure what.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 26, 2010, 09:43:10 pm
I get it

As for shading, remember it's still a rough draw. This is nowhere near final yet, just a preview of the general shape.
Unless it's a crit of the shape of the bangs?
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 26, 2010, 09:50:43 pm
Hmm.. Perhaps?  It seems as if the length and shape of the bangs on the previous one looked better for me.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: Smash on July 28, 2010, 06:04:47 am
Final v.1

[attachment=0:110bo32g]Port wip.png[/attachment:110bo32g]
Title: Re: [Sprite] Katelyn, The Sword Saint (剣聖)
Post by: R999 on July 30, 2010, 05:23:08 am
I wanted to comment on this before but couldn't figure out what exactly I wanted to say.. heh

(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1526/screenshot20100730at220.png)

So I made some simple edits instead. Now.. was there a BMP in the folder that I am not aware of?


But basically, her eyes are a few pixels too small,  the neck needed to be changed, some minor clean ups here and there. It's a just a very rough edit. The first impression I got from the new portrait was she looked like a guy. I would go change her the clothing to fit her neck some, and then do some more cleaning.

Lijj was saying her chin line could be darkened more -- I think he's right.