Well, with the extended ISO that comes along with the new beta Shishi, I've found myself to have a bit more sprite space then I did previously... in such there's roughly 61 if not more free sprites to use. I've run out of roughly many ideas for sprite placements, but if you people have any thoughts for specific sprites you'd like to see in Mercenaries, feel free to post the idea here! (Sprites that are free...)
*Changed - Means it's already been changed in someway, but is still the same depicted character.
*??? - I'm not sure what to do with it, it may change, or may be altered completely, of course requests for updated version of sprites are encoraged for these.
*Request - Choose what you will! If it's a fitting sprite, odds are your choice will make it in, just give a brief explanation of why you think this sprite should be in Mercenaries..
*None - No changes will be done to these central story character's. That doesn't mean though I'm not looking for updated looks on them, Mustadio in a different outfit or Algus in a more refined choice of dress, things such as those are encouraged for the "nones".
QuoteRamza 1 - Changed
Ramza 2 - ???
Ramza 3 - ???
Delita 1 - None
Delita 2 - None
Delita 3 - None
Algus - None
Zalbag - None
Dycedarg - None
Larg - None
Goltana - None
Ovelia - None
Orlandu - None
Funeral - None
Reis - Lavian
Zalmo - Kanbabrif
Gafgarion - None
Malak - Request
Simon - None
Alma - Request
Olan - None
Mustadio - None
Gafgarion - Changed
Draclau - None
Rafa - Request
Malak - None
Elmdor - Sephiroth
Tietra - None
Barinten - (Complete Sprite sometime please?)
Agrias - Request
Beowulf - Alicia
Wiegraf - Sari (20 yr old woman)
Balmafula - None
Mustadio - Rad
Rudvich - Request
Vormav - None
Rofel - None
Izlude - None
Kletian - None
Wiegraf - Berserker
Rafa - None
Meliadoul - Blansch
Balk - ???
Alma - Request
Celia - Request
Lede - Request
Meliadoul - ???
Alma - None
Ajora - ???
Cloud - Request
Zalbag - Bolmna
Agrias - None
Chemist - Request
Priest - Request
Wizard - Request
Oracle - Request
Squire - Request
Celia - Request
Lede - Request
Velius - Request
Knight - Request
Zalera - Request
Archer - Request
Hashmalum - None
Altima - ???
Wizard - Request
Queklain - Exodus
Rofokare (Time Mage) - Rofokare (Purple Mystery)
Adramelk - None
Oracle - Request
Summoner - Request
Reis Dragon - Request
Altima 2 - ???
10 yr old boy - Request
10 yr old girl - Request
20 yr old woman - Request
20 yr old man - Request
40 yr old woman - Request
40 yr old man - Request
60 yr old woman - Request
60 yr old man - Request
Old Funeral Man - Request
Old Funeral Woman - Request
Funeral Man - Request
Funeral Woman - Request
Funeral Priest - None
Squire M - Request
Squire M - Request
Squire M - Request
Squire M - Request
Squire M - Request
Squire M - Request
Dami - Iron Giant
Kasanek - Request
Kasanem - Request
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Squire M - None
Squire F - None
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Scryer M - VincentCraven
Scryer F - Request
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Knight M - None (perhaps a look upgrade, but they are pretty unique looking)
Knight F - None " "
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Archer M - Request
Archer F - Request
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Monk M - Request
Monk F - Request
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Cantor M - Changed
Cantor F - Request
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Invoker M - Request
Invoker F - Request
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Warder M- *Placeholder Dark Knight*
Warder F- *Placeholder Monica*
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EsperBlade M- *Placeholder Karsten*
ESperblade F- *Placeholder Saeru*
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Traveler M - Reserved
Traveler F - Reserved
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Inquisitor M - *Placeholder Holy Knight*
Inquisitor F - *Placeholder Miluda*
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Arbalist M - Kent
Arbalist F - Tamara
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Trancer M - Cavalier modified
Trancer F - Request
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Dragoon M - Zozma
Dragoon F - ??
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Reliquian M - Minwu
Reliquian F - Request
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Gambler M - Request
Gambler F - Lust
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Blue Mage M - Request
Blue Mage F - Request
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ohhoooo u know id be all over this topic right?
remember 10yo girl and 20yo woman arde done
oops i see that you're using them but in different places
i didnt see myan on there,
what about the Deis sprite? i could recolor it for you pretty easily;
Ah, Deis, interesting choice, in fact she was my first choice for Arbalist, but I forgot about that when I was putting in sprites, Tamara will be the Female Monk then. Sure, I'd like to see your variation for her.
EDIT: Come to think of it, Myan isn't on that chart, just an oversight, she'll be added in.
well, okay, so her boots and skin are pretty much stuck as is with slight variation possability, but her hair and clothes can pretty much be turned any color (this is the capability of a palette change only)
I wanna see that chawcawbaw skins used for something, they look cool (blue mage perhaps?).
*sigh* If only I knew how to sprite, I would help...
new generic sprites!
MOAR GENERIC SPRITES!
I'll try my hands at......
Invoker M/F
for now.
Ah, thanks. Well the problem with the Chocokins is that the creator of such hasn't been around to complete the sprite. Also thanks for offering the Invoker's Philsov!
add vincent valentine from ff7 and change clouds sprite for advent cloud
Oy... Sephiroth is enough FF7 that I need, I have a personal vendetta against the game, but since Elmdor's gone I decided to bring in his cousin... then again... killing Vincent or Cloud is an interesting possibility... I will definitely consider it, hehe...
Why do you have a vendetta on FF7? If you don't mind me asking.
Oh, not really a "vendetta" but it's just over rated in my opinion. Making Cloud and Vincent into Bounties should satisfy enough people though, I need all the custom sprites for those guys as I can.
It is definitely given more rope than it's worth, though on that note I am overly fond of it as my first RPG encounter.
Come to think of it other than the weapons, FF7 does fit well into the "My First RPG" section of any game list.
well i enjoyed it, one of my favorite rpg characters, barret, is there.
Funny note, the first time my brother played that game his starting party was named Spikey, Blacky, and Tits.
EDIT: This is proof that sometimes the ability to name your characters is sometimes a bad thing.
lol talk about pointing out the most obvious aspects
edit: oh but anyway theres not even a good seph sprite anyway, not without smash doing that body.
i really think vincent is overused as well.
Back on topic, I'd like to take a hack at making new Rafalak sprites, as I've always thought they were ugly sprites. Gimme a week or two, and I'll start'em up. Also, I'll get to work on the heavy armor Ramza that I started awhile back ago.
I'd start on'em earlier, but you know my story.
Oh? Thank you very much Kuraudo! I was wondering about a new look for them... but I wasn't actually expecting to get them! This is a wonderful surprise!
If you're gonna put in already-created sprites in the game, I'd love to see Smash's Generic Cavalier Male (http://www.ffhacktics.com/sprites/CavalierGeneric.SPR) in there somewhere...it might even work for a generic. Likewise, I think the redone Agrias (http://www.ffhacktics.com/sprites/NEWAGURI.SPR) would look good in this patch.
But as far as creating sprites goes, I'd help, but I lack the talent.
I was also thining the Agrias one would do nicely, but thats all I can think of.
Well actually the Cavalier Male is (slightly modified) the Trancer. The redone Agrias looks too similar for the generic Saeru, also I feel that doesn't fit Agrias too well, for some reason. Her character in Mercenaries anyhow. Saeru generic sprite has made it in as the (temporary) female Inquisitor, with Kent as the temporary male Inquisitor.
I have few ideas but I don't know if you will be interested:
1. Maybe you will replace Agrias with Beatrix? I read somewhere on forum that Agrias won't fit in this patch too well. If you wish I can make skillset for Beatrix ( I remember her sklls from FF9), only names should be changed, nothing else
2. Cloud replaced with Zack would be good too, o'course as fully playable character
(I can give suggestions of renaming skillsets too)
Well if you want I can think of more, just ask.
Quote from: "Kagebunji"I have few ideas but I don't know if you will be interested:
1. Maybe you will replace Agrias with Beatrix? I read somewhere on forum that Agrias won't fit in this patch too well. If you wish I can make skillset for Beatrix ( I remember her sklls from FF9), only names should be changed, nothing else
2. Cloud replaced with Zack would be good too, o'course as fully playable character (I can give suggestions of renaming skillsets too)
Well if you want I can think of more, just ask.
1. Hmm... I'm not sure where you heard that, Agrias is the leader of the Supporting Cast, her role is integral to the plot. It's a matter of conflicts, the main Mercenaries story actually has... just very long missions, (that's why I decided to add a series of sidequest to break up the monotony), Agrias is Stoic and Honorable, Gafgarion on the other hand is "careful" and would betray anyone given the right amount of money, but there is a lot more to both of these characters and Mercenaries will do it's best to explain it...
For anyone who's ever read Les Miserables, Agrias is sort of like... Javert, though Gafgarion's troupe doesn't exactly measure up to being Jean Valjean, of course. An onging theme of Mercenaries is conflicting personalities and complimenting personalities, believe you me, Agrias's role is very well cemented
2. The only "fully playable characters" in Mercenaries are Rad and Ramza, they are the two subordinates of Gafgarion, who is the one that decides what they will use in each battle. I would definitely not put in an FFVII character to ruin this precious balance. Zack will probably make it in, but he won't be replacing Cloud, I'll probably have them both as bounties anyhow.
I wanna see Doga as enemy
(well if possible)
Just saw this thread for the first time... Delita won't be in the story at all?
Pardon? Delita is one of the main antagonists, hehe. Also I love that Doga sprite! He'll definitely make it in (a sidequest of course) where he shows up. Though wasn't Doga on the side of the Light Warriors? Are you sure he shouldn't be on the ally side?
You fight him in FF3 for some reason I am not aware of because I never got that far.
However, you also fight Unne. So it might be cool to have them both.
Hah, shows what I know... but yes, I would love to see a decrepid old woman sprite for Une, that would be a bit of an undertaking though.
Ahh yes, Doga was on the good side. :)
Hmm, maybe put a bounty on him, but the party lets him go, bec. they realize Doga's in their side, or..
he's defeated by the crew but suddenly teleports into another dimension, bec. he still has a mission to make?
Bounty seems the best way to do it, mainly because it is a Great Tribute, to FFIII, and him vanishing at the end of it, saying something he was gauging the Mercenaries strength or something along those lines. But Doga really needs Une, I feel, they're such a pair... hoping for Xande is too much though, haha!
Yeah.. Unei it is!
Good idea LD, something like that would be awesome.
Quotehim vanishing at the end of it, saying something he was gauging the Mercenaries strength or something along those lines.
However, if I can't make Unne, we still have an excuse since she's sleeping.
Haha, very true, very true. No need to think about it all too much, hehe.
You know what I'd love to see? This (referring to the Gilgamesh, by the way):
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/gilgamesh_203.png)
Though I don't want to ask Kuraudo to finish it, knowing how busy he is, but I don't know who else could/would...
I don't think I ever saw that one per se, but I love the expression on his face, he looks so happy and carefree, which is rather characteristic of Gilgamesh, hehe.
Doga would be a terrific addition! I like the idea of adding Gilgamesh as well.
The only possible issue with this Gilgamesh is that he's based of Velius's sprite type...so giving him human skill sets and such may be outta the question, right?
I would more worry about sprite than skillset
, if Kuraudo won't finish it, then who??
Yes, skillset isn't really that important at the moment. It would be a great service to the community over all to finish the Gilgamesh sprite.
Ashley Riot (Vagrant Story) should be seen in Mercs too.
I believe VS and FFT had the same world and quite the same timeline,
(i think fft came first)
What do you think sir LD?
Quote from: "Kagebunji"I would more worry about sprite than skillset , if Kuraudo won't finish it, then who??
Your guess is as good as mine. Kuraudo had a pretty high level of skill, this sprite seems mostly custom, and I don't know how fair it'd be for us to pick up this sprite without his consent. That doesn't mean that we don't have spriters who
could do it, but I dunno if we
should do it.
And I don't really care too much about skill sets--I just wanna see this completed...
Vagrant Story is Far after FFT, it would be a full breaking of timeline, I feel. It just wouldn't work too well in my opinion.
there is the japanese Gilgamesh
That sprite is crazy confusing...
The japanese tried to put every detail from FFXII Gilgamesh,It needs to be polished
It's not very... good looking ingame, but if a Lucavi sized sprite were first fixed up it would Need to be Exodus. (He IS the final boss of the game anyhow) currently his sprite is extremely... blocky, and could be fixed I feel.
Kuroudo's Gilgamesh is much better. The japanese's is messy, need to be clean-up, like Blood said.
Quote from: "Bloodthirster0"The japanese tried to put every detail from FFXII Gilgamesh,It needs to be polished
Well, to be fair, the dudes in Japan didn't really do much of anything to this sprite because it's pretty much directly ripped from Revenant Wings.
If it looks shoddy, it's because Square did a pretty bad job with all the sprites in that game.
Quotedirectly ripped from Revenant Wings.
That's right. Most monster sprites from the japanese spritepack were ripped from Revenant Wings.
I have to disagree with that Vanya, I've been playing the game recently, and with the space given to them, they did a Fantastic job with the artwork, I believe it's just because of the dimensions being foreign to FFT and the resolutions being ruined which makes it difficult to port.
I think they could have done better.
At any rate the art style of the 2 games is quite different, I wouldn't use RW sprites as they are.
Mixing styles in hacks is a strong pet peeve of mine. It's to the point that I just won't play hacks that have a lot of style mixing.
Anyway, I was planning to have a Gilgamesh Cameo in my personal hack at one point.
He got cut in favor of the missing Lucavi, so I'd like to see him here. (Albeit with a sprite in the proper style.)
where is Kuraudo's gilgamesh?
This is Kuraudo's WIP:
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/files/gilgamesh_203.png)
Found in this topic (http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=507).
cool
I still think the one above, polished and simplified, would look pretty good
well, if Cloud is somehow incorporated with this version of FFT could we replace him with either Zack or Sephiroth, and if u replace him with sephiroth, could he be like a mini boss ^_^
Cloud is just a bounty, he and Aeris are both part of a side quest, Sephiroth Might make it in as a bounty down the line, not so sure yet.
How about Firion? Have you any use of him in Mercenaries?
There might actually be a place to fit in Firion, especially because the Palamecian Empire is mentioned by name in FFT.
I see, I have an idea for sidequest with Firion, but in that case it's too bad.
Yojimbo and Daigoro!! :O
i hope my boy barret makes it, i would also like to see zack fair and chrono triggers frog in the mix.
i hope my boy barret makes it, i would also like to see zack fair, misty from saga frontier 2 and chrono triggers frog in the mix.
I want to see Celes and Locke make a cameo.
Hell with it: Cameos for all FF6 characters.
Also make use of the Knight Balbanes sprite somehow, it's really good.
New generic job sprites.
GS, there are spriters that are currently working on that, but it is quiet lately so I will try to revive that topic.
Quote from: "Luminar"i hope my boy barret makes it, i would also like to see zack fair, misty from saga frontier 2 and chrono triggers frog in the mix.
Barret is pretty much the only character from VII that I can Stand, so he'll be put in, sidequest or something of course.
QuoteI want to see Celes and Locke make a cameo.
Hell with it: Cameos for all FF6 characters.
Also make use of the Knight Balbanes sprite somehow, it's really good.
Haha! I'll see what I can do, so far we have... Terra in the works? And a Kefka design, and I might be able to make use of the Balbanes sprite in a dream sequence. There is actually a Locke reference (no sprite yet, unfortunately) ... but I can't say anymore then that
QuoteNew generic job sprites.
Heh, that has been in the work for some time now.
There's a Locke WIP if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, Bloodthirster was doing it, but I dunno what's happening with him lately.
I for one would like to see Ashley Riot in Mercenaries. Maybe replace MP with Risk? Not sure if others suggested him as I am brand new in this community.
Welcome, Rei. I believe LD mentioned interest in the Ashley Riot sprite as well, but I can't recall 100%. There are gonna be a lot of cameos in this game, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley makes an appearance.
^ here mav:
Quote from: "Sir LD"Vagrant Story is Far after FFT, it would be a full breaking of timeline, I feel. It just wouldn't work too well in my opinion.
Well Cat in the Hat and that's that. My mistake, sorry about that, Rei.
By the way, you know what sprite I'd love to see in Mercenaries? The Iron Giant completed sprite by Luiakyn (with a phenomenal portrait by Curu). If all it takes is a sidequest to fit this bloke in, then I think we'll see this beast of a machine in no time...
Yes, I definitely love to see that and fight that badass monster.
Oh, that fellow's been planned for some time, I think his implementation should be rather amusing and innovative at the same time.
Excellent. On the subject of monsters, I was wondering whether Vanya's Classic Hydras would make it in. They're exceptional palette swaps, but if Hydras weren't gonna appear anyway, then I guess it'd be outta the question.
Eh, Hydra's to me are basically just another Dragon sprite, perhaps later on, but it's not in the planning currently.
I would love to see Iron Giant as well.
I'd love to see someone from IV and someone from IX.
From IV there is Rydia done by me, and I will soon finish Garnet from IX, so LD MIGHT use it.
I would love to see the Chocokins,I really dont know if they are going to be implemented(read the chocokin thread),but they would something very interesting
As I've said, if anyone wishes to finish the Chocokin sprite, it would be a great help, I have no spriting talent, I would also like to see it put in as well.
I could try to do chocokin, but I'm not promising anything.
Awesome. Good luck, Kage.