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Title: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 28, 2014, 04:08:02 pm
♈ ♉ ♊ ♋S 3 ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏T O U R N A M E N T♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Hosted by Barren, CT5Holy, TrueLight, and Zotis
Legend
Red = Winner's/Regular Bracket Commentators
Blue = Loser's Bracket Commentators
Yellow = Helpers who structured S3 and put the pieces together
Extra Notes
Barren - Checked and registered the teams CT5Holy - Managing the brackets, randomized maps for all matches (includes Winner's + Loser's Bracket and Final Match; X videos in total, Y-Z rounds in total)
FFH AI Tournament Youtube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/ffhackticstournament)
Brackets - http://challonge.com/arenas3
Videos & Maps
Vigilanti vs Angelus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkVwP9fMa1A&feature=youtu.be) S: 8 - Riovanes Castle L: 054 - Lost Sacred Precincts M: 031 - Dorter Trade City
Shadowstrike vs Reks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJmN-oqL9A&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 085 - Mandalia Plains M: 077 - Lenalia Plateau
Mallen vs RedWorld (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18pg8u74kCs&feature=youtu.be) S: 020 - Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: 109 - BRIDGE M: 098 - Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
whitebox vs DARKANGELUXZ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44gB4xjPB7w&feature=youtu.be) S: 065 - Granary of Bethla Garrison L: 071 - Dolbodar Swamp M: 005 - Roof of Riovanes Castle
DomieV vs Zotis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqQWO1Pypso&feature=youtu.be) S: 094 - Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: 102 - Tutorial (2) M: 016 - Inside of Limberry Castle
Eternal vs TristanBeoulve (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8C7JXSkfI&feature=youtu.be) S: 092 - Igros, Beoulve Residence L: 088 - Finath River M: 079 - Yuguo Woods
Barren vs TrueLight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IMpBANCOA) S: 013 - Inside of Lionel Castle L: 100 - Public Cemetary M: 032 - Slums in Dorter
Anima Zero vs Fenire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBfimDLY9E&feature=youtu.be) S: 004 - Office of Lesalia Castle L: 074 - Sweegy Woods M: 077 - Lenalia Plateau
White Knight Wiegraf vs CT5Holy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwt7ZASG99s&feature=youtu.be) S: 051 - St. Murond Temple L: 061 - Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: 049 - Fort Zeakden
silentkaster vs Otabo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPLR2bs5kJs&feature=youtu.be) S: 068 - Bethla Garrison L: 029 - Colliery Underground Second Floor M: 019 - At the Gate of Limberry Castle (2)
Vireblaze vs skiploom188 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCNeZP4uSes&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 055 - Graveyard of Airships M: 032 - Slums in Dorter
Dragonblade vs Dokurider (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_aua-T0oIY&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 029 - Colliery Underground Second Floor M: 028 - Colliery Underground First Floor
reinoe vs Asakawa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zY0kSAcyu4&feature=youtu.be) S: 021 - Zeltennia Castle L: 054 - Lost Sacred Precincts M: 091 - Thieves Fort
spacethypoon vs The Damned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fplcrZLWW7Y&feature=youtu.be) S: 086 - Doguola Pass L: 102 - Tutorial (2) M: 027 - Goland Coal City
Vigilanti vs Leif1991 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_pP7k_nVRY&feature=youtu.be) S: 021 - Zeltennia Castle L: 089 - Poeskas Lake M: 034 - Cellar of Sand Mouse
Reks vs Mallen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqP9NlHMmfM) S: 053 - Entrance to Death City L: 110 - VALKYRIES M: 063 - Golgorland Execution Site
whitebox vs Zotis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLKyYGb8ZM&feature=youtu.be) S: 024 - Military Academy's Auditorium L: 088 - Finath River M: 001 - At Main Gate of Igros Castle
Eternal vs Barren (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1iBQXTvqwE&feature=youtu.be) S: 065 - Granary of Bethla Garrison L: 071 - Dolbodar Swamp M: 034 - Cellar of Sand Mouse
Anima Zero vs CT5Holy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlUfY_-cmRU&feature=youtu.be) S: 112 - HORROR L: 045 - Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: 002 - Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
TristanBeoulve vs TrueLight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JScQxKp_Xrc&feature=youtu.be) S: 053 - Entrance to Death City L: 044 - Bervenia Free City M: 035 - Zaland Fort City
Fenire vs White Knight Wiegraf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGnSLihSRpQ&feature=youtu.be) S: 112 - HORROR L: 125 - Checkerboard Stairs M: 080 - Araguay Woods
silentkaster vs skiploom188 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8t6EF_P7mM&feature=youtu.be) S: 073 - Inside of Windmill Shed L: 105 - TERMINATE M: 016 - Inside of Limberry Castle
Dragonblade vs Malroth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7actXEq-40&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 061 - Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: 010 - Inside of Igros Castle
Asakawa vs The Damned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIi5eKTf3Y&feature=youtu.be) S: 018 - Office of Limberry Castle L: 125 - Checkerboard Stairs M: 003 - Hall of St. Murond Temple
spacethypoon vs Angelus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkSIYWPwaic&feature=youtu.be) S: 024 - Military Academy's Auditorium L: 087 - Bariaus Valley M: 118 - Checkerboard Land 2
Celdia vs Shadowstrike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBN0ApBerc&feature=youtu.be) S: 024 - Military Academy's Auditorium L: 106 - DELTA M: 079 - Yuguo Woods
Vireblaze vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDaj20jEyic&feature=youtu.be) S: 073 - Inside of Windmill Shed L: 125 - Checkerboard Stairs M: 002 - Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
Anima Zero vs TrueLight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2RROYuZxo&feature=youtu.be) S: 092 - Igros, Beoulve Residence L: 006 - At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: 005 - Roof of Riovanes Castle
Eternal vs Fenire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRpZ9sEnBo&feature=youtu.be) S: 103 - Windmill Shed L: 089 - Poeskas Lake M: 001 - At Main Gate of Igros Castle
Reks vs Dragonblade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75a8Q3M6_Y&feature=youtu.be) S: 025 - Yardow Fort City L: 084 - Bariaus Hill M: 010 - Inside of Igros Castle
Vigilanti vs The Damned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fB9mk3oivw&feature=youtu.be) S: 065 - Granary of Bethla Garrison L: 037 - Ruins Outside Zaland M: 069 - Murond Death City
Angelus vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/9WgSAK30-Ik) S: 012 - Office of Igros Castle L: 109 - BRIDGE M: 091 - Thieves Fort
DomieV vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/ao46dxPA-Wg) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 112 - TIGER M: 010 - Inside of Igros Castle
Fenire vs silentkaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20K2ybVwt-g&feature=youtu.be) S: 094 - Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: 100 - Public Cemetary M: 091 - Thieves Fort
Reks vs Vigilanti (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtEnSgHN_Y&feature=youtu.be) S: 051 - St. Murond Temple L: 089 - Poeskas Lake M: 077 - Lenalia Plateau
Zotis vs Angelus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRlMYbXWSc&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 029 - Colliery Underground Second Floor M: 108 - VOYAGE
Mallen vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhlW9itH3js&feature=youtu.be) S: 073 - Inside of Windmill Shed L: 100 - Public Cemetary M: 048 - Slums in Zarghidas
reinoe vs Fenire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YE8NIRpyEk&feature=youtu.be) S: 086 - Doguola Pass L: 074 - Sweegy Woods M: 049 - Fort Zeakden
Otabo vs Reks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UrP9yujOYY&feature=youtu.be) S: 094 - Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: 106 - DELTA M: 017 - Underground Cemetary of Limberry Castle
Zotis vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5i7GRCjiCo&feature=youtu.be) S: 068 - Bethla Garrison L: 029 - Colliery Underground Second Floor M: 063 - Golgorland Execution Site
reinoe vs Otabo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJMI30f6GME&feature=youtu.be) S: 020 - Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: 087 - Bariaus Valley M: 032 - Slums in Dorter
CT5Holy vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqB_UKnUkIQ&feature=youtu.be) S: 068 - Bethla Garrison L: 074 - Sweegy Woods M: 035 - Zaland Fort City
Barren vs reinoe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3qyXT9KVU&feature=youtu.be) S: 018 - Office of Limberry Castle L: 125 - Checkerboard Stairs M: 017 - Underground Cemetary of Limberry Castle
DomieV vs reinoe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRvMq8FNLjc&feature=youtu.be) S: 013 - Inside of Lionel Castle L: 030 - Colliery Underground Third Floor M: 016 - Inside of Limberry Castle
Dokurider vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qaOHZXJczo&feature=youtu.be) S: 058 - Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: 046 - Cemetary of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: 031 - Dorter Trade City
Leif1991 vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNgcm7OSSk&feature=youtu.be) S: 008 - Riovanes Castle L: 037 - Ruins Outside Zaland M: 003 - Hall of St. Murond Temple M: 098 - Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia M: 063 - Golgorland Execution Site
Leif1991 vs DomieV (if necessary) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNgcm7OSSk&feature=youtu.be7=30m58s) S: 096 - Pub L: 074 - Sweegy Woods M: 031 - Dorter Trade City M: 003 - Hall of St. Murond Temple M: 034 - Cellar of Sand Mouse
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 28, 2014, 05:20:28 pm
Here are the teams for this tournament. Good luck to everyone. And to my opponent TrueLight, may the best AI tourney player win. We both have solid teams. I feel its going to be a close one...at least I hope
EDIT: Had to make a couple of corrections from some minor errors but otherwise everyone's teams is 100% all set EDIT 2: Fixed the damned's and otabo's team due to missing skills EDIT 3: Fixed reinoe's thief
Team: Season 3 Palettes: Green/White
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Shinobi Male Pisces 70 40 Ninja Punch Art Damage Split Overwhelm Move-MP Up Hidden Knife Ninja Knife Golden Hairpin Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Meiton Secret Fist, Stigma Magic, Revive
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Shogun Female Virgo 40 60 Samurai Steal MA Save Magic Attack UP Move+1 Kiyomori
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
Liquor Lancer Male Aquarius 70 50 Lancer Sing Auto Potion Maintenance Fly Obelisk Genji Shield Cross Helmet Carabini Mail Battle Boots
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8 Life Song, Battle Song
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Drunken Dancer Female Sagittarius 70 50 Dancer Chivalry MP Restore Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand
Twist Headband Santa Outfit Angel Ring
Wiznaibus, Polka Polka Iron Will, Grand Cross
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Patroni Paladin Male Gemini 55 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Short Charge Move-MP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Crystal Helmet Robe of Lords Dracula Mantle
Nurse, Reraise Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
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Team: Overrated? Palettes: Red/Green
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Rider Female Aries 40 70 Archer Item Projectile Guard Magic Attack UP Jump+2 Glacier Gun Kaiser Plate Black Hood Secret Clothes Defense Armlet
Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Armor Break X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Archer Male Libra 70 55 Monk Ninjitsu Dragon Spirit Equip Ranged Teleport Ultimus Bow
Tetraskelion Female Aquarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic MP Restore Magic Defend UP Teleport Poison Rod
Green Beret Robe of Lords Wizard Mantle
Frog Haste 2, Slow 2, Sinkhole
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Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on July 28, 2014, 05:36:06 pm
Looks like I'm in for a thrilling first round. Good luck to you Barren, may the best team win. It's unfortunate that one of us has to go to the loser's bracket early.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on July 28, 2014, 07:41:07 pm
Oh goodness, up against Otabo in the first round. I can't help but think this was no RNG shenanigans :P good luck :) can't wait to see the start!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 28, 2014, 08:48:59 pm
Good luck have fun everyone! No testing done on my end, so I prob don't have a real chance at winning. And because I'm boring, if anyone tested against my S1 and S2 teams, this team is similar, so that's going to be yet another hurdle XD
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on July 28, 2014, 10:19:52 pm
Knowing my own luck and the RNG, I won't go too far, but good luck to everyone indeed!~
And as Miss Celdie wishes, I'm hoping for a match against you too~
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Anima Zero on July 29, 2014, 12:04:07 am
Heh, not sure what my chances are going to be given that I basically made my team in roughly a day and didn't have the time to test it extensively.
Regardless, good luck to all!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 29, 2014, 12:08:28 am
(Good luck to everyone. Well, except for anyone who goes against me before my inevitable elimination from the tournament; I have bad enough luck as it is.)
I see you've saved the worst for last if spacetyphoon has to fight me. It should be interesting fighting someone I haven't fought before as it is and there are quite a few of them in this tournament. I do find it amusing, however, that spacetyphoon's team is named "Black Sheep" and the first unit in my team is named "Sir Sheep". Guess he'll be in the Black and I'll be in the White. Battle of the Sheep Knights shall be amusing if nothing else.
Thanks again for fixing Saint Cannabis's Zodiac, Barren. I feel like an idiot for missing that I put Leo instead of Libra.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on July 29, 2014, 11:28:58 am
If anyone is curious, here are some stats of the teams.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 29, 2014, 11:49:53 am
(Oh good. Someone else was/is doing the stats thing. I was tempted to try, but I'm currently busy fending off Arachnophobia II in my room and last time I tried, I think either you or CT5Holy beat me to it anyway.
Regardless, thanks TrueLight.)
Poor Cancer. It's so lonely. Also now I feel a bit bad about not choosing Brown as my Secondary as I was tempted to. Rather surprised White is so low as a Secondary. Even though I probably wouldn't use it for this team, I still wish Purple wasn't so glitched; doesn't Yellow also potentially have that problem, actually?
Moving on to more substantive stuff, I must admit that the classes with innate abilities, ignoring both Geomancer and Mime, aren't as high as I thought they would be with a quarter of the available classes beating them out. I'm even more surprised that there's only one Scholar; weird to see it tie with Mime when Scholar is essentially Wizard+ in stats still and yet we have three Wizards. It's not even that popular among Secondaries. Hunh.
Speaking of Secondaries, way less Sing overall than I expected and even less--well, none, Secondary-wise--Dance, though the latter isn't really that surprising.
Other than that, nothing else is too surprising, though it's weird to see anyone using Jump +2 even knowing the one niche it has over Ignore Height given there are still two other superior options that beat it even in a one-of tournament.
Planning on counting up all the abilities and items at a later date, TrueLight? Can't wait to see how many Cursed Rings and Quickening users we have if so. From a glance, the amount of Break skills seems lower than I expected, especially with the amount of Archers, though that's probably in part due to there being less Ninja than I expected.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on July 29, 2014, 01:10:05 pm
Speaking of Secondaries, way less Sing overall than I expected and even less--well, none, Secondary-wise--Dance, though the latter isn't really that surprising.
There is actually one person using Dance as a secondary, I seem to have miscounted somewhere.
Anyways, here are the equipment stats. I was also going to do the ability stats, but I think that's enough stats for me for one day.
Throwing Knife: 1 Repel Knife: 3 Platina Dagger: 2 Main Gauche: 4 Orichalcum: 2 Katar: 2 Air Knife: 1
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on July 29, 2014, 04:15:47 pm
Looking through the stats and the one thing that caught my eye was that I'm the only person running a Choice Band and not a Chakra Band. Makes me wonder if I missed something important on that one. >_>
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 29, 2014, 05:31:09 pm
(Perhaps you're missing how incredibly overpowered Chakra Band is in all that it blocks and how Choice Band doesn't really block anything important save for maybe Dead & Death Sentence? That's kind of important, even if Choice Band has some use as defensive armor, unlike, say, Genji Armor.)
Thank again, TrueLight. To be honest, I didn't expect you to get around anything else today, much less so fast.
Huh. There are mercifully less Cursed Rings than I expected and, thankfully, only one user of the horrible "weapon" that is Phoenix Blade. Still can't wait until that damn thing is gone for good....
Weird to see that I'm the only person using Sleep Sword. While I didn't expect very much of it, it's still weird to see Tactician's Sword, Blood Sword and Platinum Sword being used more than it. Only thing weirder Sword-wise is how literally no one seems to be using Lionheart even though, as I expected, a significant amount of people are using Dancers even if they aren't necessarily using Dance.
Nothing else too surprising weapon-wise outside of perhaps the actual variety in Longbows & Staves being used and how only one Knight's Sword is being used despite Paladins being the most numerous class. My Paladin seems to be using the most common Shield, but that's about all he really has in common with anyone else equipment-wise.
Actually, there's nothing else really surprising in the equipment here besides perhaps seeing a relatively decent amount of the gauntlet-type accessories being used and someone punishing themselves with Salty Rage. We'll see how that works out I suppose.
The amount of Golden Hairpin and Thief Hat isn't surprising, especially given the former is pretty much the only head-covering to give a significant amount of MP on top of everything else it gives. With Move-MP Up being the most common movement....
(Hunh, I am seriously one of only two people not using that.)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 29, 2014, 06:43:42 pm
I will upload the first two matches tomorrow. Just need to do some editting then we are set. I will do as many matches as I can for the rest of the summer and during school and work
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on July 29, 2014, 10:39:38 pm
I'm so excited for this, it's my first FFH tournament. I'm also glad to contribute as an uploader for the looser's bracket. I'm up against DomieV in the first round, and his team looks pretty tough. Very status heavy. I have more AOE damage output, so we shall see, but it's scary. :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 30, 2014, 01:26:29 am
(*facepalms*)
Ugh. Speaking of missing important things, despite bugging Barren about fixing Saint Cannabis's Zodiac and TrueLight about the Ability count, I somehow missed multiple times that I failed to give Doctor Pill the ability "Chronos Tear"; there's no apostrophe given there's none in FFXII where I/we took it from, though I understand that's a spreadsheet issue, so.... I'd like to say this is surprising, but given my general ineptitude, it's only especially galling since I'm the person who suggested it be made for 1.39 ARENA in the first place more than a year ago.
Hurray. I'm back baby.
I'm sure my main healer missing it won't screw me over even though no one else on that team can heal Stop status. Nope. No chance at all....
Quote from: Barren on July 29, 2014, 06:43:42 pm I will upload the first two matches tomorrow. Just need to do some editting then we are set. I will do as many matches as I can for the rest of the summer and during school and work
Excellent. That's already quicker than I personally expected given everything else you have going on. As such, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we don't expect you to drop everything else for the sake of the tournament.
That said, of the teams fighting tomorrow, I'm looking forward to seeing Vigilanti's team the most, especially since he's the only person using Ultima in the entire tournament.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on July 30, 2014, 02:55:27 am
All right! Time to do this shiz!
My heart freakin raised when I saw this thread :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 30, 2014, 05:23:09 am
pre matchup predictions
Angelus has a fragile magic aoe team with little effective healing and Vigalanti has a hard rez and a living wall of a paladin but i'm still leaning toward Angelus because of his speed advantage and Haste2/Slow2 but the match will be close and Vigalanti will have an advantage on maps that start units spread out from eachother. Expect huge damage holy sniping from Vigilanti's squire.
Lief has a huge advantage going into this one, he has better resurection, time magic, higher team speed and a status stacked mediator who has autoprotect as well as elemental resistance from Winterfractal's main damage dealers. Winterfractal also will be unlikely to ever get his stonegunner un petrified since his White mage is his only unit capable of status removal and Lief will likely have her otherwise occupied by the time her turn comes around
Both teams are fragle heavily offensive teams with PA stacked dancers and little healing but Reks has longer range, AOE magic damage, and a super evasive squire who might be capable of soloing Shadowstrike's team so he's my favorite to win in a short brutal match where neither team really gets to show off what they're capable of.
Redworld has all the qualities i look for in a team, Hard Rez, Long range, Time Magic, Varied status attacks, Long term staying power, and AOE but Mallen has an absolutely brutal front line that Redworld just doesn't have the defenses to slow down enough for her stratagey to work. Mallen is heavily favored in this matchup and i expect multiple 1hko's
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on July 30, 2014, 08:48:37 am
To avoid spoilers: I saw the match before it was posted here. Do not read if you haven't seen it yet.
What a match! I don't feel that I have too much to say, though that last round was excellent. Double kill Ultima, and Holy did exactly enough damage to take out the Chemist! GG Angelus and Vigilanti!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 30, 2014, 08:56:18 am
Without any further ado lets begin!
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 1 - Vigilanti vs Angelus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkVwP9fMa1A&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 2 - Winterfractal vs Leif1991 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4iEVSHPvEk&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on July 30, 2014, 10:56:38 am
GG. Your high faith and fury kinda put you at a disadvantage.
I'll be seeing you next round Vigilanti.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angelus on July 30, 2014, 11:37:04 am
I thought I had a chance after round 2 but that double kill ultima and that holy was my undoing. GG vigilanti and good luck from this point forward
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on July 30, 2014, 02:48:55 pm
Good luck eternal and may the best team win. :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on July 30, 2014, 08:11:27 pm
Great job Barren. I really like your new set up with the background music. The quality was excellent.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 30, 2014, 08:46:44 pm
Thanks Zotis, I feel that having background music that fits in makes the video that much more enjoyable. I'll try to get more on tonight if not tomorrow
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on July 30, 2014, 10:09:49 pm
Quote from: Barren on July 30, 2014, 08:46:44 pm Thanks Zotis, I feel that having background music that fits in makes the video that much more enjoyable. I'll try to get more on tonight if not tomorrow
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I mean, I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Vigilanti on July 31, 2014, 09:22:55 am
Ayase Kishimoto was freaking sexy with her holy spells. LOL. But still fun match. GG Angelus. I hope I have the same luck next round
Good luck to you Leif!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on July 31, 2014, 10:36:05 am
After looking at y'all teams, my chances of getting through the first round is now...
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 31, 2014, 10:53:55 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 3 - Shadowstrike vs Reks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJmN-oqL9A&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 4 - Mallen vs RedWorld (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18pg8u74kCs&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on July 31, 2014, 02:26:50 pm
Excellent match! I was rooting for you Reks. That first round made me cringe, but good job on the comback. It was a really close match.
Nice try RedWorld. You put up a good fight, but that damage output was just too much. I hope you fare better in the underworld.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on July 31, 2014, 09:26:37 pm
Took a while to get my words together for this
If my previous post was any notification, I was extremely nervous about this match.
Looking at Shadow's team before, just about all of his units could bypass Luke's evasion, I'd figured that Azra would easily be downed without doing much, and I didn't think that Cynthia and Reksalya (pronounced Reks-al-Yuh) would do so well.
The first match proved that they'll do poorly when placed too close to the opponent with no obstructions, but the larger maps grant more room to play with, and it's in those that I believe I have an advantage in.
That third match was -the- reason I participate in ARENA: Fast, hectic, back and forth, and you just do not know who will win. Barren even sounded excited for it!
So GG, Shadowstrike! I hope you can do well in the Netherworld!
*looks at his next opponent* *gulps*
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Eternal on August 01, 2014, 01:24:19 am
Good luck to all the teams! May my death be as flashy as ever!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 01, 2014, 04:08:13 am
More predictions
Darkangelz team doesn't impress me, He's got a lot of Female melee units and doing nothing to take advantage of the few commands that work better from a female user, he's also got a mono elemental summon magic user targeting one of the more common resistances Whitebox's team has its share of problems mostly his lack of hard rez and healing but at least he's offensively solid. I expect WhiteBox will win this one.
Zotis is running an unfocused Status team with a moderate amount of recovery power but little direct offence or lethal statuses while Domie V is also running a status based offence on anotherwise well balanced team, Expect a very long matchup only 1 unit on each side is even remotely specced as a damage dealer and both teams are relying on piling on nonlethal statuses to gain a turn advantage. My prediction on the Winner is Domie V. He has hard rez, more lethal status effects and faster support units as well as the best damage dealer in the match.
Eternal is running a 2 fighter/2 mage direct damage team with lots of AOE and elemental Resistance while TristanBelouve has a squad of all squishy warrior types with 70 faith. This is the best possible opponent for Eternal's team dispite the lack of active skills on his Squire or his suboptimal damage setups on his wizard and archer, 70 faith across the board with no magical defenses to speak of means Black magic and Lore will deal huge damge numbers to TristanBelouve's team and a swift leathal victory.
Barren's team is a well balanced squad of proven concepts that have faired quite well in previous tournaments with heavy direct damage, Unevadable non faith based Magic AOE, Hard Rez, high accuracy status effects,and Time magic. Truelight has a nearly Identical team down to giving their main damage dealer Stigmamagic but no Chakra to tweak AI Priority from Healing to Offence. This match could really diserve to be in the Finals both teams are brilliant and unbelivebly small details in starting position and the RNG will make a huge difference in the outcomes, If i have to choose I'd say Truelight has a very slight edge due to Stone gun Mediators being bulkier and more versitile than Katar zombie thieves but this will probably be the closest match in the 1st round if not the whole tournament and I would not count out the possibility of these two fighting again in the finals.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 01, 2014, 07:24:54 am
*checks Malroth's earlier predictions against the Round 1 results thus far*
...I haven't got a snowball's chance in hell against you, have I?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 01, 2014, 11:13:12 am
(Hmmm...it would seem that I'm still unable to comment directly to Youtube as I have been since about the beginning of the year. Weird.)
Ugh. First a bunch of spiders in my room and now a bunch of damn ants in my bathroom. This week has certainly been...annoying.
That said, I'm caught up on the one bright spot of it, so I'll just put my comments on the forum. First and foremost, thanks as always for the videos, Barren.
Next, forgive me if my rambling is slightly more off than usual between my having watched the first two rounds a couple of days ago when they went up and being slightly more tired than usual as I type this.
(Vigilanti) Team: Harem Palettes: White/Red
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Aki Male Capricorn 70 55 Paladin Jump Dragon Spirit Maintenance Move-HP Up Defender
Barbuta Carabini Mail Leather Mantle
Nurse, Transfusion, Iron Will Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Aoi Female Taurus 40 55 Geomancer Draw Out Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move+1 Rune Blade Escutcheon II Holy Miter Earth Clothes Magic Gauntlet
Local Quake Bizen Boat, Murasame, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden
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Asuna Female Taurus 40 55 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Teleport Main Gauche
Hunh. I hadn't realized that Vigilanti is also the person to be using the only Knight's Sword in this tournament. That Paladin looks rather...problematic just on a defensive evasion level.
That said, sir knight sure didn't really do much of anything but support given all the damage that all the other units were doing, even if he did manage to off the Undead Ninja in round 1 after the doomed guy got Don't Acted. The Paladin didn't even bother Jump once given he was basically otherwise always busy healing, though that's not necessarily a bad thing outside of Transfusion sort of bleeding him dry.
As for everyone else, they tried their best to break each others' faces. Well, aside from Potz, who was of course mostly just support and got screwed over early in two rounds anyway. As far as damage goes, I must admit that I was only really surprised by how much damage Shinobi was doing with Meiton given everyone on Vigilanti has average (55) or more Faith. He was even doing quite a bit of damage to Ayase the Squire, though I only just recently realized that they have Best compatibility, so that's a large part of it.
As far as rounds, well, the first, small map could have gone either way in my opinion since they both have heavily damaging Samurai. Vigilanti just got rather fortunate off the bat with that Death Sentence and it just kinda steamrolled from there.
The second map was more predictable since it makes sense that Angelus has at least the slight advantage on longer maps between having a gunner, Lich, Kikuichimoji and an Undead Ninja. Still, it was rather close for most of that match.
The third map though...that was pretty much just decided by everyone "smartly" lining up to get hit by Kikuichimoji followed by that beautiful Ultima. I swear, it's like someone always gets utterly destroyed on that Dorter map.
(Winterfractal) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Scarlett Male Leo 70 70 Archer Steal Awareness Concentrate Move+1 Ice Bow
Thief Hat Black Costume Feather Mantle
Arm Aim, Shield Break, Weapon Break Steal Heart
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John Male Leo 70 70 Archer Ninjitsu Abandon Attack UP Teleport Lightning Bow
Flash Hat Brigandine Leather Mantle
Leg Aim, Execute, Head Break, Armor Break Kagesougi
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Tuck Male Sagittarius 70 70 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Move-HP Up Stone Gun
Black Hood Rubber Costume Wizard Mantle
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down Death Sentence, Mimic Daravon
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Marion Female Aries 40 70 Priest Yin Yang Magic Regenerator Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Healing Staff
Golden Hairpin Robe of Lords Elf Mantle
Cure 3, Raise, Esuna Paralyze, Petrify
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Vs.
(Leif1991) Team: The Green Thieves Palettes: Green/Brown
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Malachite Male Virgo 40 70 Time Mage White Magic Dragon Spirit Short Charge Move-MP Up H Bag
Mantis Male Capricorn 40 70 Archer Punch Art Projectile Guard Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Blaze Gun Kaiser Plate Green Beret Brigandine Setiemson
Leg Aim, Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break, Armor Break, Shield Break Stigma Magic, Revive
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To be blunt, Winterfractal's team is heavily flawed on quite a few fronts, though I've certainly made (many) worse teams myself. Besides the unnecessarily high faith as pointed out by Barren and the typical problems with Stone Gun's user potentially not being healed, especially if there's only one Petrify-healer on the team, his (?) team's offense is almost entirely based on projectiles. Even with Projectile Guard being limited to one unit, he can easily be screwed over it i if--well, more like when--his non-Priest units choose to focus on it.
This is basically part of what doomed him in the second round given that while using projectile weapons, the AI seems to have a weird tendency to focus on the Projectile Guard unit, especially if it's the unit with lowest HP or simply, unfortunately the nearest. If it wasn't for that, I probably would have screwed around even more and made an all-Bow team--no guns--myself.
Leif1991 getting rather fortunate with the Repel Knife procs--nice to see more confirmation that it's working as it should--didn't help Winterfractal either.
That said, for all its flaws, Winterfractal's team should do at least slightly better against Angelus's team in "the underworld" for the simple fact that no one Angelus's team has projectile guard. Stone Gun does still hurt quite a bit when it gets to go off and, on top of that, Winterfractal's weirdly high team Faith makes Meiton a lot less valuable in that match-up.
(Shadowstrike) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/Red
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G Male Leo 70 48 Monk Snipe Damage Split Martial Arts Move+1 FS Bag
I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised that Reks won here, if only because he tends to have bad luck and got utterly mauled that first match. Well, that and I was surprised by just how much the once-crappy Don't Move spell determined the difference in that very close final round. This especially since Luke the Squire wasn't achieving his goal of Don't Move (or much else) half of the time.
Speaking of Luke, I find it extremely odd that he kept going for the risky Steal Heart rather than the sure Throw Stone. Then again, even with its CT nerf from a while ago, I'm pretty sure that AI still realizes how potentially powerful Charm be. Well, at least if the Charmed unit doesn't have Esuna or Stigma Magic and nothing pressing that it feels like it has to do.
Regardless, it was a valiant effort by Shadowstrike's team, which I think is more than decently made for the most part, though Snipe on the Monk seems...kinda worthless to be honest. Oh well. Maybe that will prove a worthwhile choice in the Underworld against Redworld.
(Mallen) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Brown/Black
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Malibu Monk Male Libra 70 50 Monk Ninjitsu PA Save Martial Arts Warpath FS Bag
Liquor Lancer Male Aquarius 70 50 Lancer Sing Auto Potion Maintenance Fly Obelisk Genji Shield Cross Helmet Carabini Mail Battle Boots
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8 Life Song, Battle Song
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Drunken Dancer Female Sagittarius 70 50 Dancer Chivalry MP Restore Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand
Twist Headband Santa Outfit Angel Ring
Wiznaibus, Polka Polka Iron Will, Grand Cross
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Patroni Paladin Male Gemini 55 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Short Charge Move-MP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Crystal Helmet Robe of Lords Dracula Mantle
Nurse, Reraise Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
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Vs.
(RedWorld) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Red/Black
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Aerith Female Virgo 40 70 Wizard Summon Magic Counter Magic Magic Attack UP Teleport C Bag
This was rather painful to watch, though that's not because RedWorld's team is poorly made or anything. It was painful partly because most of Mallen's team hits really hard, partly because it got dragged out by all the revival RedWorld's team has and partly because it likely calls forward what's going to happen to my team versus spacetyphoon. The latter especially since I have less damaging offense, especially a range, than RedWorld and that didn't help her (?) much, though she was stuck in rez loops for most of the match, so....
Then again, it's always painful to see someone fight a clearly losing struggle against the poison of alcohol. Also not looking forward to my Oracle doing the same stupid thing with Paralyzing a Sleeping target rather than trying to Petrify it.
Despite this going the way I thought it would from the outset, there were a few surprising things here. I'm surprised that Blind Rage didn't get a chance to horrifically backfire in the first round. I'm surprised that Wiznaibus was actually kind useful, if only because Poison so utterly screws over mages. And I'm surprised that Rosario the Mediator used the correct barrier in the second round. I have to wonder if the A.I. picked Protect 2 on a whim or just because Protect 2 comes before Shell 2 in the ability list. It's still such a shame that AI is rather blind to playing appropriate defense with the respective barriers since it still clearly can't see ahead with regards to anything that isn't on the CT list or base weapon range.
All that said, RedWorld's match against Shadowstrike should be much closer than this was rather than "just" prolonged. [/spolier]
Also, it might just be me, but I was assuming that RedWorld's Oracle name's "Chelle" was just pronounced like "shell". Essentially "Michelle" without the "mi".
Shrug.
P.S. Please save me from Bug types. Where art thou, Chandelure?
P.P.S. Not sure why I suddenly can't have this outside of spoilers. Hmmm.....
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Xifanie on August 01, 2014, 11:47:56 am
Could you PLEASE record your videos in 4:3? The game was meant to be displayed in 4:3, not 16:9 dammit. It screws up all the proportions. My laptop runs at 1680x1050, which isn't pure 16:9, so I end up with black borders at the top and bottom while 4:3 displays nicely from the top to the bottom edges of my screen.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on August 01, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Lol Malroth. I suppose my team isn't a very good team, possibly due to the fact that I did zero testing. I think next time around I'll be more prepared. I'm not going down without a fight, though. ;) (I also only took about a day to devise my team, so bad preparation + non-existent testing = Time to get stomped into the ground.) Still, good luck to everybody's teams, and I sure hope I at least get through a few rounds in the loser's bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Anima Zero on August 01, 2014, 12:30:39 pm
Quote from: TristanBeoulve on August 01, 2014, 11:52:24 am Lol Malroth. I suppose my team isn't a very good team, possibly due to the fact that I did zero testing. I think next time around I'll be more prepared. I'm not going down without a fight, though. ;) (I also only took about a day to devise my team, so bad preparation + non-existent testing = Time to get stomped into the ground.) Still, good luck to everybody's teams, and I sure hope I at least get through a few rounds in the loser's bracket.
Well now, I don't feel so bad about taking a day to make my team as well, heh. I took a look at my Paladin and I'm just facepalming at the screwup I have on it with his current setup. Oh well, too late to change it now. It's my bed and I'm going to be sleeping in it for this tourney.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 01, 2014, 12:55:17 pm
I did do the next two matches in 16:9 xifanie and its already ready to be uploaded but for now on I will reduce it to 4:3 so that way no one else should have the issue of seeing black bars on their screen for those who don't have resolution to see it in HD
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on August 01, 2014, 01:29:27 pm
Ugh. First a bunch of spiders in my room and now a bunch of damn ants in my bathroom. This week has certainly been...annoying.
That said, I'm caught up on the one bright spot of it, so I'll just put my comments on the forum. First and foremost, thanks as always for the videos, Barren.
Next, forgive me if my rambling is slightly more off than usual between my having watched the first two rounds a couple of days ago when they went up and being slightly more tired than usual as I type this.
(Vigilanti) Team: Harem Palettes: White/Red
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Aki Male Capricorn 70 55 Paladin Jump Dragon Spirit Maintenance Move-HP Up Defender
Barbuta Carabini Mail Leather Mantle
Nurse, Transfusion, Iron Will Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Aoi Female Taurus 40 55 Geomancer Draw Out Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move+1 Rune Blade Escutcheon II Holy Miter Earth Clothes Magic Gauntlet
Local Quake Bizen Boat, Murasame, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden
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Asuna Female Taurus 40 55 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Teleport Main Gauche
Hunh. I hadn't realized that Vigilanti is also the person to be using the only Knight's Sword in this tournament. That Paladin looks rather...problematic just on a defensive evasion level.
That said, sir knight sure didn't really do much of anything but support given all the damage that all the other units were doing, even if he did manage to off the Undead Ninja in round 1 after the doomed guy got Don't Acted. The Paladin didn't even bother Jump once given he was basically otherwise always busy healing, though that's not necessarily a bad thing outside of Transfusion sort of bleeding him dry.
As for everyone else, they tried their best to break each others' faces. Well, aside from Potz, who was of course mostly just support and got screwed over early in two rounds anyway. As far as damage goes, I must admit that I was only really surprised by how much damage Shinobi was doing with Meiton given everyone on Vigilanti has average (55) or more Faith. He was even doing quite a bit of damage to Ayase the Squire, though I only just recently realized that they have Best compatibility, so that's a large part of it.
As far as rounds, well, the first, small map could have gone either way in my opinion since they both have heavily damaging Samurai. Vigilanti just got rather fortunate off the bat with that Death Sentence and it just kinda steamrolled from there.
The second map was more predictable since it makes sense that Angelus has at least the slight advantage on longer maps between having a gunner, Lich, Kikuichimoji and an Undead Ninja. Still, it was rather close for most of that match.
The third map though...that was pretty much just decided by everyone "smartly" lining up to get hit by Kikuichimoji followed by that beautiful Ultima. I swear, it's like someone always gets utterly destroyed on that Dorter map.
(Winterfractal) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Scarlett Male Leo 70 70 Archer Steal Awareness Concentrate Move+1 Ice Bow
Thief Hat Black Costume Feather Mantle
Arm Aim, Shield Break, Weapon Break Steal Heart
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John Male Leo 70 70 Archer Ninjitsu Abandon Attack UP Teleport Lightning Bow
Flash Hat Brigandine Leather Mantle
Leg Aim, Execute, Head Break, Armor Break Kagesougi
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Tuck Male Sagittarius 70 70 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Move-HP Up Stone Gun
Black Hood Rubber Costume Wizard Mantle
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down Death Sentence, Mimic Daravon
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Marion Female Aries 40 70 Priest Yin Yang Magic Regenerator Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Healing Staff
Golden Hairpin Robe of Lords Elf Mantle
Cure 3, Raise, Esuna Paralyze, Petrify
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Vs.
(Leif1991) Team: The Green Thieves Palettes: Green/Brown
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Malachite Male Virgo 40 70 Time Mage White Magic Dragon Spirit Short Charge Move-MP Up H Bag
Mantis Male Capricorn 40 70 Archer Punch Art Projectile Guard Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Blaze Gun Kaiser Plate Green Beret Brigandine Setiemson
Leg Aim, Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break, Armor Break, Shield Break Stigma Magic, Revive
================================
To be blunt, Winterfractal's team is heavily flawed on quite a few fronts, though I've certainly made (many) worse teams myself. Besides the unnecessarily high faith as pointed out by Barren and the typical problems with Stone Gun's user potentially not being healed, especially if there's only one Petrify-healer on the team, his (?) team's offense is almost entirely based on projectiles. Even with Projectile Guard being limited to one unit, he can easily be screwed over it i if--well, more like when--his non-Priest units choose to focus on it.
This is basically part of what doomed him in the second round given that while using projectile weapons, the AI seems to have a weird tendency to focus on the Projectile Guard unit, especially if it's the unit with lowest HP or simply, unfortunately the nearest. If it wasn't for that, I probably would have screwed around even more and made an all-Bow team--no guns--myself.
Leif1991 getting rather fortunate with the Repel Knife procs--nice to see more confirmation that it's working as it should--didn't help Winterfractal either.
That said, for all its flaws, Winterfractal's team should do at least slightly better against Angelus's team in "the underworld" for the simple fact that no one Angelus's team has projectile guard. Stone Gun does still hurt quite a bit when it gets to go off and, on top of that, Winterfractal's weirdly high team Faith makes Meiton a lot less valuable in that match-up.
(Shadowstrike) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/Red
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G Male Leo 70 48 Monk Snipe Damage Split Martial Arts Move+1 FS Bag
I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised that Reks won here, if only because he tends to have bad luck and got utterly mauled that first match. Well, that and I was surprised by just how much the once-crappy Don't Move spell determined the difference in that very close final round. This especially since Luke the Squire wasn't achieving his goal of Don't Move (or much else) half of the time.
Speaking of Luke, I find it extremely odd that he kept going for the risky Steal Heart rather than the sure Throw Stone. Then again, even with its CT nerf from a while ago, I'm pretty sure that AI still realizes how potentially powerful Charm be. Well, at least if the Charmed unit doesn't have Esuna or Stigma Magic and nothing pressing that it feels like it has to do.
Regardless, it was a valiant effort by Shadowstrike's team, which I think is more than decently made for the most part, though Snipe on the Monk seems...kinda worthless to be honest. Oh well. Maybe that will prove a worthwhile choice in the Underworld against Redworld.
(Mallen) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Brown/Black
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Malibu Monk Male Libra 70 50 Monk Ninjitsu PA Save Martial Arts Warpath FS Bag
Liquor Lancer Male Aquarius 70 50 Lancer Sing Auto Potion Maintenance Fly Obelisk Genji Shield Cross Helmet Carabini Mail Battle Boots
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8 Life Song, Battle Song
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Drunken Dancer Female Sagittarius 70 50 Dancer Chivalry MP Restore Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand
Twist Headband Santa Outfit Angel Ring
Wiznaibus, Polka Polka Iron Will, Grand Cross
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Patroni Paladin Male Gemini 55 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Short Charge Move-MP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Crystal Helmet Robe of Lords Dracula Mantle
Nurse, Reraise Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
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Vs.
(RedWorld) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Red/Black
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Aerith Female Virgo 40 70 Wizard Summon Magic Counter Magic Magic Attack UP Teleport C Bag
This was rather painful to watch, though that's not because RedWorld's team is poorly made or anything. It was painful partly because most of Mallen's team hits really hard, partly because it got dragged out by all the revival RedWorld's team has and partly because it likely calls forward what's going to happen to my team versus spacetyphoon. The latter especially since I have less damaging offense, especially a range, than RedWorld and that didn't help her (?) much, though she was stuck in rez loops for most of the match, so....
Then again, it's always painful to see someone fight a clearly losing struggle against the poison of alcohol. Also not looking forward to my Oracle doing the same stupid thing with Paralyzing a Sleeping target rather than trying to Petrify it.
Despite this going the way I thought it would from the outset, there were a few surprising things here. I'm surprised that Blind Rage didn't get a chance to horrifically backfire in the first round. I'm surprised that Wiznaibus was actually kind useful, if only because Poison so utterly screws over mages. And I'm surprised that Rosario the Mediator used the correct barrier in the second round. I have to wonder if the A.I. picked Protect 2 on a whim or just because Protect 2 comes before Shell 2 in the ability list. It's still such a shame that AI is rather blind to playing appropriate defense with the respective barriers since it still clearly can't see ahead with regards to anything that isn't on the CT list or base weapon range.
All that said, RedWorld's match against Shadowstrike should be much closer than this was rather than "just" prolonged. [/spolier]
Also, it might just be me, but I was assuming that RedWorld's Oracle name's "Chelle" was just pronounced like "shell". Essentially "Michelle" without the "mi".
Shrug.
P.S. Please save me from Bug types. Where art thou, Chandelure?
P.P.S. Not sure why I suddenly can't have this outside of spoilers. Hmmm.....
I missed your longer takes and opinion on matches. I look forward to them, actually.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 01, 2014, 03:14:07 pm
...I haven't got a snowball's chance in hell against you, have I?
You've got a chance but not a good one, I'm faster, can heal more reliably, have better status infliction and have 2 good damage units vs your 1 but you've got 2 immortals with 1 capable of starting a rez chain and your holy sniping oracle can 2hko any of my units, if your distraction units can evade status effects long enough to buy her 3 or 4 turns of nuking then you'll win.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 01, 2014, 03:43:01 pm
Well that's a better assessment than I expected. Good luck on the field of battle. ^_^
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angel on August 01, 2014, 04:37:08 pm
Quote from: Barren on August 01, 2014, 12:55:17 pm I did do the next two matches in 16:9 xifanie and its already ready to be uploaded but for now on I will reduce it to 4:3 so that way no one else should have the issue of seeing black bars on their screen for those who don't have resolution to see it in HD
Sorry to derail further, but it's not the resolution that matters, it's preserving aspect. Stretching is always bad. Upload WotL videos at 16:9, because that's the ratio the game is intended to be viewed at. Upload FFT videos at 4:3, because that's the ratio the game is intended to be viewed at. FFT characters shouldn't look wider than they are tall.
Opposite example: say you have a 4:3 monitor of generous resolution (we'll say 1600x1200) and you want to watch the 1959 classic, Ben-Hur. Here is the original ratio as it is meant to be viewed: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77336/benhurwide.jpg)
If you were to fill the screen, this would be your result: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77336/benhursmush.jpg)
If you find you could watch the movie this way, then let me present a more extreme example - say you happen to have a digital projector in Ben-Hur's aspect that you decide to play FFT on and fill the screen: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77336/fftsmoosh.jpg)
I hope you can thusly see what an eyesore it is when presented in such a way. It has nothing to do with HD capability (a 2048x1536 monitor can display 1080p and thensome, despite being 4:3) and everything to do with the source material's intended display.
Again, I apologize for the further derail, and also for being pedantic.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 01, 2014, 04:41:25 pm
No its fine, i'll work on it as best as I can. as I said before I do have the next two matches ready but they are in 16:9 but I will start doing 4:3 for the remainder of the tourney and for future fft vids
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 01, 2014, 09:21:49 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 5 - whitebox vs DARKANGELUXZ (http://youtu.be/44gB4xjPB7w)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 6 - DomieV vs Zotis (http://youtu.be/VqQWO1Pypso)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DomieV on August 02, 2014, 08:14:36 am
Damn that Time Mage sitting in the corner like that! Now I wonder if she were to be undead maybe I should have given her a P Bag for regen and switch black costume for RoL just to cover fire weakness. Meh, can't change it now. GG Zotis, you deserved the win more than I do considering that my team wasn't up to the task. Hopefully I'll have better luck on the doom train as Barren says
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 02, 2014, 08:50:03 am
(*somewhere, Celdia breathes a sigh of relief as one of Malroth's predictions "finally" falters*)
Ugh. I still always see at least one typo I've missed only right after someone quotes me.
Anyway, speaking of missing things, having checked the PM I sent you and the document that I typed that team in, unlike the Leo-Libra bit of stupidity on my part, Doctor Pill does have Chronos Tear among his abilities as he should. So if you could fix that in-thread & in-game, Barren, I would greatly appreciate it; no hurry given my match is last, though the longer you wait, the easier you may forget given everything else you're doing. [/nagging]
As ever, thanks for the videos, though these two turned out to be the longest ones already. I wonder how long some of these will get even though no one's using Slow Dance and only one person is using Phoenix Blade....
Anyway, nice use of mostly Genesis music. Good to hear Dynamite Headdy finally (?) get some attention; I'd say the same of Sonic CD, but I'm pretty sure you've used music from that before and that generally gets way more attention overall.
You didn't really need to be an oracle or have one your team to see how this was likely to turn out given the problems DARKANGELUXZ--it pains me to type that in all capital letters--has given this particular team. No need to really harp on that, though, since it's rather easy to make a flawed team, especially if you're new. So, instead, I will do something uncharacteristic briefly and try to focus on the positives. Knowing my cynical self, however, I'm sure I'll phrase said "positive" commentary in ways could come off as at least passive-aggressively negative though or something along those lines.
With regards to what works on DARKANGELUXZ's current team, his (?) female Paladin did a more than decent job a being obnoxiously tanky. Even though a male Paladin could have done the job slightly better since she wasn't using Dance as her Secondary, which is a shame since she didn't use Secret Fist nearly enough, she just refused to stay down. It was really the rest of the team that dragged her down since she kept needing to refill Samurai's very limited MP, which was problematic since after the Paladin, the Samurai is the next most threatening person on Dark's team. Technically, the Summoner should be the most threatening unit, but between how commonly absorbed Holy element is and how she just eats damage to the face with her squishy HP since she's not the last unit....yeah.
DARKSUM at least now currently holds the record for the unit who died the most in a single round in all of the tournament thus far due to the first round. Yay.
As for whitebox's team, it also has issues, but considerably less comparatively and just his (?) Dancer having such a good set-up is basically what won him the match since his Dancer kept dancing all over every enemy's face...with arrows. Beyond that, I'll admit that when I first looked at whitebox's team, I kinda rolled my eyes at every skill set save for Dance having most if not all of the skills purchased. That said, Execute, Bullrush and, of all things, Houkouton actually put in a decent amount of work in netting whitebox the win.
Ending this on a more characteristically cynical note, though, I do find it rather ironic that Dark's team of all-female, mostly physical combatants, despite having no Dancer and that thus being mostly "wrong", out-damaged two of the males on whitebox's team overall. Then again, at least both Lancers have the excuse that they're support units. Meanwhile, whitebox's Paladin serves as an example of why Southern Cross and Grand Cross aren't actually strong enough to really be worth using unless you heavily skew your equips towards powering them up; it's why I didn't bother giving Sir Sheep Southern Cross, especially since Sleep Sword is even weaker than Koutetsu Knife is, especially for that purpose.
Finally, it's just a tad painful to still be stuck using a version of ARENA where Wish is still so bad. If that Wish had hit, then whitebox likely would have won even sooner or, at least, cut off the Samurai from grabbing the crystal in the first round. Oh well.
(DomieV) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Yellow/Brown
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Paige Male Sagittarius 40 50 Chemist Draw Out Auto Potion Defense UP Move-HP Up Main Gauche
Tetraskelion Female Aquarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic MP Restore Magic Defend UP Teleport Poison Rod
Green Beret Robe of Lords Wizard Mantle
Frog Haste 2, Slow 2, Sinkhole
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Ugh. There was so much damn spinning in this match at certain points due to the Haste 2 Slow 2 War that I'm a bit surprised Spinderella's music didn't come on if Dynamite Headdy's music was (probably) being used. All that repeated spinning is just part of why I rarely bother with Haste on my teams, including the one for this tournament, even if the AI's annoying fixation on adding Haste and Slow statuses is understandable.
That said, despite how long this went on, there's not nearly as much as I want to say compared to the previous match. I'll admit, despite them both being more than decent teams, I'm a bit surprised that DomieV lost and, relatively speaking with regards to units not crystallized, lost so "decisively". To me, this match came down to Zotis largely winning (so "easily") just because Arthur got really, really unlucky overall, especially with his Southern Crosses. I think he only did one Southern Cross that targeted multiple units where someone didn't guard even though Zotis's team doesn't have any units with especially high evasion.
This is not to say that Zotis's team didn't put in competent effort, but the highest damaging person on DomieV's team constantly getting blocked didn't exactly help DomieV at all. Compare and contrast this to Zotis's female Paladin getting often rather lucky with her Talk Skills and own Southern Crosses. Oh well. DomieV is at least in basically no danger of being eliminated in his first loser's match to be frank even if it comes across as more than a bit mean.
Beyond that, I will admit that I was rather disappointed to see how little damage the Holy from Silver Bow did despite all the Faith behind it on top of the good compatibility the Archer & Wizard have. It was also nice to see the A.I. actively use Preach and also have that use actually matter, even if it was arguably "win-more".
Finally, the amount of difference that Sleep status made here despite the Chemist being basically the last unit up and mostly untouched both times makes me slightly, foolishly more hopeful for my own team. [/self-absorption]
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 02, 2014, 01:14:03 pm
Eternal vs TristanBeolouve
I would say that Tristan has the more solid team of this matchup. Tristan's offense, though more orthodox, is plainly better than Eternal's advertisement for his pat-I mean his team. Eternal's idea of combining Dragon Spirit + Moonlight, while commendable, will not work because the AI would rather retreat and heal then go on the offensive. Sad to say, Tristan's MaxiMoonlight Paladin will probably profit more from the Blade Beam proc. However, Gold Staff can do some work here in removing Tristan's various buffs. Eternal's Wizard and Archer are also decent enough. In fact, the Archer is good enough to keep Tristan's K-Ninja, otherwise a unit that would easily chop up Eternal's units, at bay. The Priest does his priestly duties well enough, but I can't help but think he would have preferred Holy/Dia over Shieldrender, as he doesn't have the stats to really take advantage of it. His Archer will eventually be dragged out of combat in favor of sandbagging. Still, this match could go either way, especially in the Small Map match. Tristan is not without his own team inefficencies. His chemist does not need Holy when he has Blaze Gun. Bards can only sing one song effectively besides Life and Angel Song. His physical units do not need 70 faith and his ninja has sub optimal fury (which the Paladin could have gotten away with).
Winner: Tristan has the edge here, but Eternal has potential and can steal the win if Tristan drop control of the match.
Barren vs Truelight
The match of the tournament and it's already here. Both teams sport fierce offenses from Barren's Cursed Katar Thief and GeoSamurai vs Truelight's PowerStone Gun and 5 move ChiriBard. I would like to say that Truelight's Stone Gunner is going to be able to keep that Katar Thief at bay, but you never know about those damn thieves and once he gets into knife range, that Warpath is not going to do him any favors. Still, if that Stone Gunner gets on a roll, he can eventually pick Barren apart.
Winner: Truelight, but y'know, bet against Cursed Katar Thieves at your own peril.
Anima Zero vs Fenire
I was included to favor Anima Zero in this match up, but forgetting to add Blind Protection (or thinking Heal will make up for it) is going to cripple his Brand Crosser. With him only able to attack once every turn (or every turn and failing miserably) Tornado/Quake Samurai and Quicken Monk are going to have to work a lot harder or hope the Mimic Daravons come often. Fenire's team is much more solid and deadly, from Abandoned Shieldrender to Attack Up Cursed Mythril Bow and Zodiacs whenever needed.
Winner: Fenire, but after a good back and forth.
White Knight Wiegraf vs CT5Holy
CT5Holy whipped up quite the nasty team this itneration. Anyone would be hardpressed to beat this team. High powered offense is the theme of the team here. Mimic K-Ninja, Pilgrimgun, Punch Art and ParaSleep are going to give Wiegraf's Mime team a hard day. Mimed Witch Hunt will be mostly ineffectual. All I can say is that the Mimicked Asuras and Odin/Titans better roll.
Winner: CT5Holy will just blitz here.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DARKANGELUXZ on August 02, 2014, 11:58:15 pm
a little late but I just want to say hello, really could not improve enough my team because I found out too late in the tournament but did not want to be left out, I'm learning a lot from all of you thank you friends.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 03, 2014, 01:24:18 am
Oh boy I was practically having a seizure with anticipation when I noticed the match was up. And well to be honest going into the match I was especially worried about Charm, but I didn't see a single charm oddly enough. It was quite the haste/slow war, and I'm really fortunate to have won the status battle. I'm glad Preach kicked in as it's not something the AI is usually willing to use, but I think the way I built that Paladin worked out even better than I had planned in terms of how the AI used it. Overall I'm very pleased to see how well my team was able to maintain control and effectively sandbag. I was able to shut down that Archer for the most part with the 1-hit KO Cyclops'. Sleep is overpowered, and my frogs and don't act got just the right amount of usage. I think everything just came together really well. I guess on the downside my team tends to layer on tons of status before it gets around to finishing people off, and that can give them a chance for a comeback or just needlessly drag on the match. But I would rather err on the side of caution in this case.
DomieV, I think your team was really good. I love your time mage, that Paladin is pretty tough too. I feel odd about the chemist though, and while the archer isn't bad she was just a bit too weak to do much in this match. Unfortunately for you Defense Up and Projectile Guard didn't factor in since my team was a magic focused team. I think more than anything it was simply a bad match up for you. Hopefully you do better in the underworld. You have good survivability, status, and damage, so I think you'll do well.
A couple noteable quotes from Barren:
"It's not a good day to be Arthur right now." After sleep landed on the slowed, poisoned, don't acted, frog. This really made me chuckle. "Wow, Preach Magic Attack Up Moogle for 306, that is pretty impressive actually." It was really cool to see that happen in the match.
If you want music suggestions for future matches Barren, might I suggest NES midis. Especially Final Fantasy, Dragon Warriors, Double Dragon, and Mega Man. Also the Genocyber OST is pretty solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ9QnXJJUu8
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 03, 2014, 01:38:15 am
Welcome to the Forums Darkangeluxz hope you stick around once the tournament is over.
As for Music suggestions anything by Nobou Ueumatsu (ff 1-10) Yasonori Mitsuda (chrono trigger, chrono cross, xenogears, xenosaga ep 1 Xenoblade) Yoko Shimomura (Kingdom hearts, seiken densetsu series) Hitoshi Sakimoto (fft,FFtA, Vagrant story, FF12) Kajiura Yuki (Xenosaga eps 2&3, Pandora Hearts, Fate zero, Dot hack series, More anime series than i can count)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 03, 2014, 02:55:41 am
Try Revenge of Shinobi and Shinobi III for the Genesis. Both some kick ass games and some kick ass music.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on August 03, 2014, 03:10:18 am
Since we are talking musics now, the Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal anime OST (the Japanese one) has some tracks that sound similar to FFT. I can provide the copy if you like sir.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 03, 2014, 07:32:33 am
Thanks guys for the music suggestions that does help me pick some more out for future matches. And skiploom if you want to use that music you want for your match just let me know what particular tracks you have in mind and i will do my best to find them
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 03, 2014, 10:53:44 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 7 - Eternal vs TristanBeoulve (http://youtu.be/8i8C7JXSkfI)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DARKANGELUXZ on August 03, 2014, 11:12:07 am
Thanks, really. some time I am here but I have no. knowledge of FFT like you I manage a group on facebook about it but I do it with all the love I have for this game and desire. learning more. and this is the the right place
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 03, 2014, 12:33:53 pm
Ohhhhhh good music? I wanna hear Mega Man 2 Wily Stage 1...that'd be really awesome in one of the videos :)
Worried about my match with Otabo...I don't think I'm gonna do too well, but oh well. Maybe it'll be another fun, long lasting match like in the stream that one time...
Liking the matches so far :)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 03, 2014, 12:35:15 pm
Worried about my match with Otabo...I don't think I'm gonna do too well, but oh well. Maybe it'll be another fun, long lasting match like in the stream that one time...
Liking the matches so far :)
You got it!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 03, 2014, 12:45:26 pm
Tsuzumasuku was not flagged for AI use. That's why the AI doesn't use it.
I underestimated just how bad of an idea having your Chemist also be your Raise unit. The Paladin's revive simply wasn't cutting it, leaving Tristan with consistently only one source of revival, bad move. Not having Chakra also screwed him hard. That and not having a significant MP pool to draw on. I did say that unnecessarily high faith was going to be a problem and it was.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Anima Zero on August 03, 2014, 12:51:34 pm
Worried about my match with Otabo...I don't think I'm gonna do too well, but oh well. Maybe it'll be another fun, long lasting match like in the stream that one time...
Liking the matches so far :)
You're not the only one worried about your match, heh. I keep facepalming myself for the slip up on my Paladin (Grand Cross without a way to block blind, that was sure smart of me). All it would have taken would be a couple minor changes and I'd be able to run it in almost the exact same way. Alas, I just hope that mistake on my part isn't going to cost me a good match with Fenire.
And if we're going for music requests...you could try the X vs Zero battle theme from Megaman X5 or X6. Also, the Mythos remix version of Departure from Mega Man Zero 2 is pretty rad.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 03, 2014, 01:24:44 pm
Yes, I pretty much like all the Mega Man series music, including the MML soundtracks as well (though they can get a bit tedious, especially the city music when you spend so much time there).
Otabo and I have an unofficial (at least in my opinion) rivalry since we create teams that focus primarily on status. But my oversight was making two offensive units with projectiles and the others have status. His undead thief has projectile guard, so my units might focus on him. On the positive note though if they don't, I might get lucky if all his other units go down first...but that's a long shot. But it could happen, since my blaze gunner may not focus on an innocence thief (and if nameless dance or hawk's eye inflicts oil, his elemental immunities won't matter either).
But again, that's all skepticism. He's favored this time, in my opinion.
(Edit: It'd be nice to have a rivalry match with Otabo sometime, even if it's after the tournament :D)
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Post by: Reks on August 03, 2014, 03:29:26 pm
There's also the music from Xenoblade Chronicles. Some of the best battle themes I've heard in a while.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 03, 2014, 03:41:45 pm
Zotis, I just want to know if you will still be able to do me vs truelight that is coming up soon. If not then want me to see if CT5Holy will be around to do the match?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fenire on August 04, 2014, 06:30:41 am
As the time of my first match quickly approaches I find myself near death with anticipation. I have only one song request for my match at the moment, Boss theme from Dragon Warrior 3 NES. While I appreciate Dokurider's time and effort in regards to his predictions of the match up. I can not help but feel that something is missing without one from Malroth. So Malroth if you read this before my match please do a break down and prediction. I always find you perspective enlightening and in-depth. It is unfortunate that you missed the blindness immunity on your Grand Cross Paladin, but I wish you luck in our match. I cant help but hope it goes to a round 3 decision for no other reason than to prolong the suspense.
On the other hand... I don't want a ticket to the doom train just yet.
Before anyone says anything about my choice to not give my squire Phoenix down , and instead rely on wish for revive, it is so he stays in the frey as opposed to running as far away as possible and throw in his revive. Just had a feeling some might find that an odd choice.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 04, 2014, 01:34:44 pm
More matches while we wait for me vs truelight
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 9 - Anima Zero vs Fenire (http://youtu.be/YIBfimDLY9E)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 10 - White Knight Wiegraf vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/fwt7ZASG99s)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 11 - silentkaster vs Otabo (http://youtu.be/qPLR2bs5kJs)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Anima Zero on August 04, 2014, 02:53:37 pm
Well damn, I won, heh. My team did pretty well considering my Paladin wasn't nearly as effective due to forgetting about blind protection for Grand Cross. That win was 2/3rds in thanks to my Monk & Samurai being pretty good at the damage dealing (And some lucky charm procs).
A damn good match there Fenire. Here's hoping an equally good match occurs with my next opponent!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 04, 2014, 03:20:44 pm
:welcome:
White Knight Wiegraf was robbed in the most painful way possible during round one. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good (but CT5HOLY is also good). Wow. Even though this match was 2-0, it was still absolutely fantastic. I feel for ya White Knight! Good luck in the 2nd chance bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on August 04, 2014, 06:12:06 pm
Revive on an undead unit...bag melees on a HP Restore unit. I hope to all that is holy that Mallory isn't going to act so dumb during future matches.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 04, 2014, 06:40:00 pm
hoooooooooooly shit R1 how what why my goodness i am so lucky. jeez.
That said, Wiegraf, you have my complete support as the one person using a Mime in this tournament. Best of luck in the loser's bracket!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 04, 2014, 07:07:44 pm
Ugh, honestly I wish I didn't win the 1st round. I knew he was favored and winning round 1 gave me hope. Oh well.
Anyway, he got me down pretty hard, though Round 2 was pretty back and forth...that double charm in Round 3 sealed any chance I had of winning. Oh well, maybe I'll do better in the Loser's Bracket. Good luck Otabo!
BTW, Barren...this match is not viewable on mobile devices.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on August 04, 2014, 09:08:42 pm
CT5Holy, you now have the right to give everyone Doom Train Tickets. Cuz that reversal was BEAUTIFUL! If I was White Knight Wiegraf I'm not sure how I will ever recover from that loss. Epic Battle sir.
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Post by: The Damned on August 05, 2014, 08:54:10 am
(I'm...not sure where this music discussion came from, but I can't help but feel I am at least partly to blame. That said, if we're offering up music suggstions, then it's pretty obvious that I have a ton of stuff you could use given the videos I currently can't post anymore of. It would be better to PM you rather than suggest anything in thread at present though, especially given this post is going to get long enough as it is.)
That said, it would seem that I should do that soon since you're getting these out rather quickly, especially with not waiting for Zotis; well, him or CT5Holy--whoever actually records your match(es).
Similarly, I should thank you again right now for quickly fixing the error on my Thief with regards to Chronos Tear. Always good to know I'm slightly less insane and/or incompetent than I think, though now it's kind of nagging me that I didn't give Master Whisky an FS Bag; I literally forgot that males could equip Bags in ARENA. Shows how long I've been away....
(Eternal) Team: A Reverie Reborn Palettes: Blue/Red
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Marche Male Serpentarius 70 40 Squire Steal Dragon Spirit Two Swords Warpath Gold Staff Moonlight Thief Hat Black Costume Rubber Shoes
Quickening
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Montblanc Male Serpentarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic Damage Split Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Wizard Rod
Holy Miter Black Robe Chantage
Fire, Bolt, Ice, Water, Poison Sinkhole
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Shara Female Serpentarius 70 40 Archer Item Speed Save Concentrate Teleport Ultimus Bow
Twist Headband Power Sleeve Diamond Armlet
Cover Fire X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Ritz Female Serpentarius 40 70 Priest Lore Auto Potion Equip Light Blade Move-MP Up Shieldrender
Golden Hairpin White Robe Defense Ring
Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna Bio, Bio 2, Bio 3
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vs.
(TristanBeoulve) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Blue/White
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Tristan Male Pisces 70 70 Paladin Punch Art PA Save Two Swords Move-HP Up Platinum Sword Moonlight Grand Helmet Maximillian Diamond Armlet
This was...arguably the weirdest match-up of the tournament thus far. Even the gaffes with DARKANGELUXZ--PAIN--and his team make at least slightly more sense than both of these teams collectively.
On Eternal's team, Marche basically has no skills and is going out of his way to use an unusual Two Swords set-up that a Paladin with Chaos Blade & Concentrate would arguably largely accomplish better. Next, a male Wizard who is apparently just male for theme's sake, which I can respect, since he neither has Zodiac compatibility nor Steal nor Sing. Then, Shara has similar gender weirdness, though it's again to fit the theme. And I'm not really sure why Ritz has Shieldrender of all things. Gender doesn't really explain (or excuse) that and arguably literally any sword would be better on a Priest, even Lionheart. I'm a bit surprised that Eternal didn't go with Ultima Blade if he was giving her Equip Light Blade given all the Ultima [Whatever] skills in Final Fantasy Tactics: Advance and that actually potentially rewarding having high MA.
On TristanBeoulve's team, Tristan's actually a really competent unit and the most competent unit on TristanBeoluve's team. His only problems are the unnecessarily high Faith, even with Moonlight & White Magic support, and lacking Chakra, again even with Moonlight; Chakra is more for Paladin's extremely low MP and how expensive Reraise is. Ziggy's basically suicidal and has a skill that doesn't actually work, though he arguably doesn't really need it; we should probably put a nigh-impossible-to-miss notice somewhere that Tsumazuku and a couple of other skills basically don't work in the current version of ARENA--I thought we already did though. Regardless, despite having "too few" skills like Eternal's Squire, he just needed to play guitar an Initial: Reraise accessory and arguably any secondary that wasn't Draw Out if TristanBeoulve wasn't going to use Haste or Haste 2 from Time Magic or Yell from Basic Skill. It's asking too much of such a suicidal unit to be pseudo-support one as well, at least via self-buffs he has to actively use. Probably should have just given him the entirety of Item and changed the Chemist into a straight out Priest with Time Magic or something and given the Bard Draw Out or something instead.
Meanwhile, both his other units suffer from having too many skills, though the Bard is worse off than the Chemist despite having far few skills. This is because of the Song overlap that it's really easy for new(er) people to miss, which I'll elaborate on now.
While Song is currently (way) better than Dance, you can still only really get away with using three Songs maximum since the A.I. doesn't really keep track of stats or what stats it "should" be boosting unfortunately; in the case of Dance, specifically Polka Polka and Disillusion, it's even worse due to it not keeping track of debuffing stats the other team, not you, at least initially controls; Slow Dance is pretty impossible for the A.I. to screw up though. Additionally, Nameless Song, unfortunately much like basically every self-buff skill that doesn't add Haste still currently, won't be used until someone has at least sustained damage on the Bard's team. So, it overlaps with Life Song.
As such, Song has three classes of "overlap":
1. Life Song & Nameless Song - Together in the first prioritized of "oh gods, someone needs healing! Please don't die before this song is over--I'm not a Chemist or Short Charge mage!". As such, these will only be used in reaction to HP loss.
2. Angel Song - A class of its own. This will only be used if someone on the Bard's team needs MP. As such, this will only be used in reaction to MP loss and if no one is bleeding HP too horribly.
3. Battle Song, Magic Song, Cheer Song & Last Song - Basically everything else is in its own "last" class, though it's also the only class of Song that gets used proactively by the A.I. The "catch" is that, again, the A.I. will switch around a lot and seemingly at random if you have more than one these on a unit even if no one else needs healing of HP or of MP.
The third class of things is basically part of why Eternal won this since TristanBeoulve's Bard just dicked around a lot and did nothing but switch up Songs. He did this even when it did nothing but make him a sitting duck and got him killed, repeatedly, like it did in round three. Sure, Nameless Song actually helped in round two, but only because he got rather lucky with the statuses it gave out, namely Re-raise and Reflect. That said, it's nice to see someone at least try to use Nameless Song since it's normally forsaken for Life Song; even I'm not trying to use Nameless Song given my luck tends to be horrible enough as it is.
Barren already pointed out the flaws with the Chemist-Priest in the video, so I'll just say that Tristan may have actually won even with his current troubles if his Paladin had just been slightly smarter and more proactive in attacking. Despite having the superior Moonlight set-up, Tristan the Paladin was just too focused on healing himself, which is ironically part of the reason why I think it would have been better to go with Chakra over Nurse if he was going to use Punch Art at all. Shrug.
Finally, for all the flack I seem to be giving Eternal's team--well, both teams--during this, I'll also admit that Mont(e)blanc's damage really surprised me for some reason. I suppose I shouldn't be all that surprised given he's all the damage-oriented set-up he still has put into him. It's just weird to see a male Wizard being used at all I guess, especially when a Bard, a female Wizard and either sex of Scholar would be doing more damage still, what with Scholar still having Wizard+ stats.
Still, I can't absolutely hate on a theme team that at least tries to be different, especially one that uses the hideously neglected Gold Staff. As such, I'm glad that Eternal is moving in the Winner's Bracket.
P.S. For those also not in the know yet, Dance basically has four "classes": Wiznaibus, Witch Hunt, Nameless Dance and Polka Polka & Dillusion & Slow Dance & Last Song. You'd think Dance would be better because you could theoretically give your Dance more variety than a Bard but...it's...not. At all. Sigh....
(Anima Zero) Team: Seraphic Blue Palettes: Red/Black
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Anima Male Scorpio 70 40 Paladin Basic Skill Abandon Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand Ice Shield Crystal Helmet Light Robe Leather Mantle
Consecration, Transfusion, Iron Will, Reraise, Grand Cross Accumulate, Heal, Wish
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Minerva Female Capricorn 50 70 Samurai Lore MA Save Magic Attack UP Move-MP Up Chirijiraden
Circlet Robe of Lords Diamond Armlet
Bizen Boat, Murasame, Heaven's Cloud, Muramasa, Chirijiraden Bio 2, Bio 3, Tornado, Quake
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Captain Rex Male Virgo 70 40 Monk Steal Auto Potion Martial Arts Ignore Height
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
...I actually just completely forgot how Anima Zero won (round three) and that's really bad, especially since I can't go back and check right now unfortunately. Like always, I am currently trying to do about three or four things at once right now.
I guess I'll comment on it in my next post in here then and just leave this as a placeholder since I don't want to otherwise delay this post or seem like I'm ignoring their match for some reason.
Apologies, Anima Zero and Fenire. I'll have to re-watch your match later.
Here, White Knight Wiegraf, use this link to vent your frustration over Round 1. (http://nooooooooooooooo.com/) Try not to break it in your justifiable fury.
Sigh. I may be the only person besides (probably) White Knight Wiegraf not really "hyped" about the comeback CT5Holy had in the first round, as cruelly amusing as it. This is largely because the only thing more painful than Wish still sucking is spellguns and Cursed Ring (and Quickening) still being so blatantly overpowered; yes, they're collectively even more painful than Phoenix Blade's obnoxious continued existence. I'm not trying to take away from the fact that CT5Holy builds teams competently, but stuff like comebacks shouldn't happen so easily or constantly and yet they do with Cursed Ring around because the accursed thing basically has no real downsides.
FFMaster! Why you have forsaken us?! Why?!
*cries disgustingly*
Ironically, White Knight Wiegraf might have actually won the first round if the Mime, being wonderful class that they are with their 100% reliability, had randomly failed to Mimic like they sometimes do. At the very least, CT5Holy's Archer would have probably been distracted by being in Critical rather than being healed enough to go back on the offensive.
Not much else to say about the actual match really, so instead I'll just point out the fact that White Knight Wiegraf was also at a general disadvantage because he took his team straight from the regular team thread I think. As such, I think he's only person in the entire tournament whose units are all basically adhering to the usual 3000 JP cap. Not that breaking it would significantly benefit any unit that issn't the Samurai, but between that, the above and his use of a Mime in general...yeah, he's handicapping himself big time. By Hades, White Knight Wiegraf may well have won if he just gave his Samurai Masamune (the ability) given Mimes at least tend not to screw that up and Hasting the Dancer probably would have won him the day.
I'll say that I too give him "respect" for being the only person to use a Mime, even if it's begrudging respect since they're rather unreliable and will remain so until someone looks into actually fixing them somehow. What's more respectable is how hard his Archer Dancer hits though, even if Kagesougi is itself an overpowered, under-costed POS currently and even if he's hardly the first person to use that set-up.
Still, I suppose it's rather fitting that a team named "Revolution Machine" fell to some of the most currently oppressive skills in ARENA. So much for "fight the power".
(silentkaster) Team: Annoying Team Palettes: Blue/White
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Archer 1 Male Aries 40 50 Archer Item Auto Potion Throw Item Move+1 Romanda Gun Zephyr Shield Thief Hat Brigandine Dracula Mantle
Arm Aim, Hawk's Eye, Head Break, Weapon Break Hi-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Archer 2 Male Aries 40 70 Archer Steal Faith Up Magic Attack UP Move-HP Up Blaze Gun Flame Shield Black Hood Santa Outfit 108 Gems
First and foremost, Wily 1's stage music from Mega Man 2? Excuse me while I press that link I just provided White Knight Wiegraf. (http://nooooooooooooooo.com/) It's not like it's a bad song or anything; nothing from Mega Man is, even the stuff in the abomination that is Mega Man X7. In fact, it's pretty great. I just think it's overplayed is all. Way overplayed.
Ahem.
Let's get onto actually relevant commentary. To put it simply, it seems like silentkaster ultimately lost simply because both his Archers are male. Given Steal Heart is still heterosexist, none of stuff that happened at the beginning of the second and third rounds would have occurred if the both Archers were female. They well could have been female since female Archers have slightly better in MA and non-magic guns don't care about stats anyway, though I'm not really questioning why silentkaster made them male. A similar problem would have arisen anyway if he was facing a team with a male Steal Heart user and his Archers were female instead.
This entire match is basically just another example of how swing-y Charm status still is despite being severely reduced in its CT--as it should be--for at least a couple of years. It's either nigh worthless because the unit targeted has Esuna or Stigma Magic or something to cure themselves or it ends up greatly hampering if not outright destroying the other team in about one turn. There's rarely any in between, even if eating up a turn with self-healing Charm can be useful at times without being outright "I'll just throw your own nuke back in your face" levels of useful.
(Speaking of healing Charm, being "hit" by 0 damage Balance and using Transfusion both heal Charm? What. How did I not notice this before.... [/don't answer that])
Death Sentence is much the same way, except that the potential "nigh worthless" aspect comes from the A.I. ignoring the Death Sentence character for the most part, which can easily backfire. As such, I suppose it's rather fitting that those statuses are ultimately what won Otabo the match in combination. Berserk, despite also currently being overpowered as a debuff and severely underpowered as a buff, oddly didn't play much of a role at all even though projectile units are usually much dumber about physically attacking under it. I suppose it helps that the first map didn't really have any obstacles and the briefly Berserk Archer was already in the Monk's face.
Not much else to say about this given it was largely drawn out by the A.I. being really stupid with Otabo's team in the second round and a spellgun & Nameless Dance being otherwise involved. Seriously, all those bag smacks alone suddenly make me less annoyed I legitimately forgot I could have given Master Whisky an FS Bag. I don't even know where to start with regards to that preventable free Crystal grab....
So I'll just end by saying that I think that silentkaster's team is actually pretty well made, Mediator/Chemist thing and spellgun villainy aside, and it's nice to see someone making great use of Faith Up. I also think he'll do better in the "Underworld" given neither Vireblaze nor skiploom188 have units capable of Charming his males; this even though skiploom188 named one of his units "Homosex"....
(Also, to no one's surprise, Balance never came up this match at all from either Priest.)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Eternal on August 05, 2014, 11:45:26 am
You realize, Damned, that I made my team weird for weirdness' sake? :P
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 05, 2014, 02:57:16 pm
Here it is, finally, the moment you've all been waiting for! (I apologize if my commentary isn't the greatest.)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 8 - Barren vs TrueLight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IMpBANCOA)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 05, 2014, 06:32:31 pm
This reminds me sort of season 5's 1.3 Tourney from 3 years ago when we first fought but that was then this is now and I still won rather decisively. I was hoping for a round 3 considering how strong TrueLight's team really is in fact its comparable to mine but unfortunately since I was hitting multiple targets more often than he was is what resulted in his defeat. Round 2, the stop proc gave me pretty much the lead I needed to come out on top. GG TrueLight I'm very sure you'll have a much better showing in the loser's bracket and cause a reign of terror on the doom train. If I do happen to make it as far as to the championship match I'm expecting you to be my opponent by then.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 05, 2014, 07:47:29 pm
Yep. This had a "Season 5" vibe once I saw my team having trouble staying up. Just too much constant damage coming from that Geomancer and my team could never really inflict any damage to her. My Ninja getting stopped in the middle of the battlefield in round 2 prevented me from gaining any momentum. With that said, GG Barren, you have bested me once again. I hope to have a rematch with you in the near future.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 06, 2014, 02:18:17 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 12 - Vireblaze vs Skiploom188 (http://youtu.be/bCNeZP4uSes)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 13 - Dragonblade vs Dokurider (http://youtu.be/k_aua-T0oIY)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 14 - Celdia vs Malroth (http://youtu.be/yOUdpsR5DPQ)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 06, 2014, 03:58:47 pm
WTF???? I ran 50 practice matches and she only won 1 round WHY DID YOU FORSAKE ME SO RNG
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 06, 2014, 04:05:25 pm
I'm SO sorry you were the victim of my madness, Malroth! When I put this team together I thought they might be an amusing annoyance at worst. :oops:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 06, 2014, 04:31:20 pm
I'm really surprised on how differently your units behaved in these matches vs the trial runs I ran, In the pratice matches your Oracle acted pretty much as a full time Holy sniper, Your Monk would run up and die, your chemist and Oracle would nuke my ninja, My Mediator would then raise 2 My Ninja then Your Oracle would alternate between Nuking my Monk and Raising your dead units, once your Immortal units were down once it was pretty much over because you don't have any real healing for them. Those Petrify spells your Oracle threw out of nowhere in the actual matches were huge, Especially since my units were too dumb to soft/stigma magic her
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 06, 2014, 04:59:34 pm
The ninja going down to the Ninjitsu/Holy combo and the repeated Ninjitsu pretty much kept your Archer busy trying to get him back on his feet. She didn't have time to deal with the petrify once it landed because it kept prioritizing Cancel:Dead over Cancel:Petrify. Also, Charm was pretty much the big 'get fucked' in both rounds 1 and 3. Thief earning his keep all up in here.
Good luck on the Doom Train, Malroth. Hopefully you can make a comeback down there. Your team is scary strong.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on August 06, 2014, 09:50:49 pm
Ow, didn't make it. Great job Vireblaze! Not testing teams can really pay in the end. Still, it was a fun watch. Good thing I preordered my doom train tickets in my head before the match XDDD
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 07, 2014, 08:20:59 am
(I'll comment on Barren vs. Truelight's match and Anima Zero vs. Fenire's match later, probably when the final two matches for the first round of winner's bracket go up.
Well, provided I still have Internet at this point since it's been acting up and I have to screw around with my landline to get it to, sigh, actually work again.)
As it is, I just want to get commentary for the last three matches down quickly since I have other things I should be doing, such as PM'ing Barren music like I should have done three or so days ago. Go me. It's probably too late now anyway....
The Bishop Male Taurus 40 70 Priest Summon Magic Absorb MP Short Charge Float Wizard Staff
Golden Hairpin Light Robe Magic Ring
Raise 2, Esuna, Holy Moogle, Carbunkle, Odin
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vs.
(skiploom188) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Green/Yellow
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Burret Male Virgo 70 62 Ninja Snipe Abandon Concentrate Flee Ninja Knife Ninja Edge Twist Headband Power Sleeve Feather Mantle
Shuriken Armor Break, Weapon Break
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Scizzoe Male Taurus 70 65 Lancer
PA Save Attack UP Move-HP Up Obelisk Crystal Shield Crystal Helmet Crystal Mail Chantage
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Homosex Male Taurus 70 65 Lancer Punch Art HP Restore Magic Defend UP Ignore Height Dragon Whisker Escutcheon II Gold Helmet Gold Armor Cherche
Level Jump5, Vertical Jump7 Stigma Magic, Revive
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Deero Male Capricorn 70 70 Chemist White Magic Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move-MP Up Blast Gun
Green Beret Black Costume Angel Ring
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Phoenix Down Raise, Raise 2, Esuna
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First and foremost, it's always nice to see someone use a Harp that isn't Bloody Strings even if that unfortunately outclasses both other Harps presently.
That said, I have to wonder if Vireblaze would have won the first match as well had the "helpful" Counter Flood of Kamaitachi not Don't Acted the Priest. I suppose we'll never know though.
This match mostly came down to Chemist set-ups with White Magic being rather...self-defeating, especially when the A.I. gets forced into resurrection loops where its resurrection can miss. Perhaps if the Ninja hadn't gotten hit by literally every Holy fired his way, then skiploom188 could have won this, but he didn't.
In general, skiploom188's team couldn't dodge much of anything until the very end, where it didn't matter, and then couldn't hit anything starting half way through that third match. Maybe he'll have better luck in the Underworld given his team is competently made save for the arguable issue with his Chemist.
Given that I hadn't and still haven't really looked through anyone's teams before their matches, I was pleasantly surprised to see a Zombie-focused team on Dragonblade's part. Shame that he had such bad luck in the first round; I thought "Luck of the Irish" was supposed to be an ironic phrase for bad luck and yet... The only real good luck that Dragonblade had was in the second round where his Archer hit two 31% Seal Evils, consecutively at that,...only for them to immediately get nullified by Soft.
That's part of why Cursed Ring really doesn't have any downsides: the two anti-Undead techniques of Consecration and Seal Evil currently don't do anything even though they can both miss quite easily.
Besides that, Dragonblade basically just lost because both Dokurider's Summoner and Thief hit really hard and former was only helped by Dragonblade's grouping together for Masamune and other things. It still rather grates me how blind the A.I. can be towards grouping up, especially after it's already gotten nuked once before.
(Celdia) Team: Bad Romance Novel Palettes: Blue/White
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Bait Male Serpentarius 70 40 Thief Sing Speed Save Equip Shield Teleport Phoenix Blade Zephyr Shield Green Beret Secret Clothes Battle Boots
Heretic, Bad Luck, Spellbreaker, Steal Heart Last Song
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Comic Relief Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Draw Out PA Save Attack UP Warpath
Haha at Barren's utter confusion over Celdia's lack of Stigma Magic and Esuna (and then at Celdia winning). Also at me realizing that Malroth accidentally named Assassin as Assasian. I guess he likes big butts and cannot lie. That or "Assasian" just ended being an accidentally meaningful name given how "useful" he ended up being to Malroth as a whole. Really, his constant need to be revived is a large part of cost Malroth the match since Celdia slapped the hell out of him either throughout every round. Berserk meaning he barged forward only to get Holy from a most devout Purity Sue to the face really is what determined everything.
That said, Celdia got extremely fortunate the first round, though as I already said earlier, Charm is either utterly explosive or straight up doesn't matter. So not much else to say there except that the Oil from Bad Luck didn't end up being as useless as I expected; rather the opposite since it got Rider OHKO'd.
Not having anything to cure Petrify at all even though she easily could have screwed her over in round two a ton with Seal Evil actually mattering for once. Only thing surprising about the second round is that a spellgun user with a powered-up set-up hit a Faith Rod user for non-OHKO damage without their being any intervening elements like White Robe or Shell or Magic Defend Up. That Kagesougi crit breaking 450 HP damage is, sadly, not at all surprising and had Malroth's Archer had Pilgrimage, it would have been an OHKO since Celdia's Oracle only survived by 18 HP with Rider "only" at 70 Faith.
I have to say that despite the mistakes from being rusty, Celdia gets my utter respect for using Last Song. This even if Cursed Ring and Phoenix Blade are currently utterly stupid pieces of equipment.
Congrats on beating out Malroth's earlier prediction, even if it's impossible to "predict" how luck will factor into things. You can only really factor for A.I. stupidity and blindness and even then....
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 15 - reinoe vs Asakawa (http://youtu.be/6zY0kSAcyu4)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 16 - spacethypoon vs The Damned (http://youtu.be/fplcrZLWW7Y)
Now lets get the doom train running!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 08, 2014, 01:47:16 am
Round 2 of the match Asakawa got robbed. That paladin had a critical that did no extra damage, all it did was push my theif into the AOE of Cure 3.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on August 08, 2014, 06:20:29 am
What? There's a tournament and nobody told me? I picked the wrong months to space out.
At the very least, I will try to get Camtasia and an emulator up and running on a laptop in case a host needs filling in for.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 08, 2014, 07:37:25 am
At the very least, I will try to get Camtasia and an emulator up and running on a laptop in case a host needs filling in for.
I may need some help because doing the first 16 matches in the winner's bracket while fun can be time consuming but if you want to help me do the winner's bracket we can split the number of matches in the winner's bracket and you can do the matches up to me vs eternal in round 2 and we can go from there. Since truelight and zotis have the loser's covered of course. Normally I'd ask CT5Holy but he's been very busy as of late, hopefully he can also be available at some point. I'll definitely let you know once I am in contact with him
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 08, 2014, 02:10:18 pm
Not busy, just couldn't set my desktop anywhere due to moving =P
Ideally I'll be available for things starting next week, but I'd actually be fine with Gaignun taking over for me, as he's around less often than I am, so we don't usually get to hear his excellent commentary.
I'll still manage the brackets and update the first post, of course. Brackets are updated as I watch the vids, first post is updated a bit more intermittently.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 09, 2014, 11:15:26 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 5 - Fenire vs White Knight Wiegraf (http://youtu.be/fGnSLihSRpQ)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 6 - silentkaster vs Skiploom188 (http://youtu.be/p8t6EF_P7mM)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fenire on August 10, 2014, 09:26:47 am
Not off the doom train just yet. GG WKW
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 10, 2014, 10:20:15 am
Jump is so weird on the AI. Skiploom's lancers were jumping on empty tiles and units they knew were going to move because of Nameless Dance. But that Ninja having such low HP and that chemist constantly busy is what won the battle. Oil procs helped a lot, too. GG skiploom.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 10, 2014, 03:45:51 pm
Is round 2 going to start next, or do we have to wait till the first round of the Loser's bracket is done?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on August 10, 2014, 03:47:30 pm
well nothing in the loosers bracket will effect the outcome so Thats entirely up to Barren
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 10, 2014, 04:44:32 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 7 - Dragonblade vs Malroth (http://youtu.be/v7actXEq-40)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 8 - Asakawa vs The Damned (http://youtu.be/ilIi5eKTf3Y)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 10, 2014, 06:40:33 pm
Ahahahaha. That's funny reinoe. What are your predictions based upon? One match only? Arena is so multi-factorial, from stages to luck using certain moves that it's hard to be so certain.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 10, 2014, 10:02:43 pm
Quote from: Leif1991 on August 10, 2014, 09:11:53 pm Ahahahaha. That's funny reinoe. What are your predictions based upon? One match only? Arena is so multi-factorial, from stages to luck using certain moves that it's hard to be so certain.
Hehe...
I accurately predicted I'd come in third place last time. http://challonge.com/S2PREDICTION I can predict my placement and nobody else'! ;)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 10, 2014, 10:22:07 pm
Well, good job The Damned. You're moving on. However, a heroic thumbs up to Asakawa's priest...epic uses of reflect there. Used reflect to hit the Oracle 2X with Demi and then again in Round 2 to use a short charged Stop to mid-charge him?? That was pretty sweet.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DARKANGELUXZ on August 10, 2014, 11:23:51 pm
we'll see how it goes this time :roll:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Jumza on August 11, 2014, 03:29:35 pm
He's just giving a prediction of the tournament, don't attack him for it 0.o
Anyway, I hope the tournament keeps this speed up, it's very entertaining and it's great to not have a shortage of videos to watch :)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 11, 2014, 04:12:31 pm
reinoe is def just joking around, Leif. He's got the winky smiley and everything! It's ok, sarcasm + internet = kinda hard sometimes.
Also, I'm back (on my desktop)! Moved into new apartment and have internet and stuff. I guess in terms of hosting, I'll fill in wherever's needed. Most likely as directed by Barren (thanks again for all your hard work! and sorry again for mostly bailing out of hosting!).
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 11, 2014, 04:20:14 pm
Daaaaaaaang...someone is taking it a bit seriously. He was joking, and even if he wasn't, who cares? Let people believe and do what they want...:P
I can't wait for some more CT5 commentary.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 11, 2014, 05:48:30 pm
Sorry peeps. Yeah, I guess I got annoyed, my bad.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 11, 2014, 07:14:36 pm
So far I haven't heard from gaignun since I pmd him. CT5Holy if gaignun doesn't respond to me in time would you be able to do the winners match 17 - 20?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 12, 2014, 03:58:27 am
Absolutely!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 12, 2014, 07:19:43 am
Great! You can start either today or tomorrow pending on how much free time you have :-D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 12, 2014, 09:31:24 am
(Blegh. This entire year can go burn. My laptop just had to die on top of everything else.)
I wonder I'll even be able to fit anything in this post since the post preview probably still doesn't show you if you've gone over the speed limit. It doesn't help that I am so behind on things that I have eight commentaries to go over, six of them which ended up being play-by-play commentary.
Regardless, thanks for using the music I gave you Barren and some that I didn't that I thought still fit. I only wish that it wasn't so wasted on a rather crappy match, but that's my fault, not yours obviously.
Matches I "Owed":
(Barren) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Blue/Yellow
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Altair Male Cancer 70 50 Ninja Item Speed Save Defense UP Move-HP Up Repel Knife Ninja Edge Thief Hat Black Costume Setiemson
I actually did watch this already, though the first time I kind skipped over Zotis's analysis since I was busy doing other things and the static was...grating coming from my speakers. It's more bearable coming from headphones, oddly, and I promised myself that I would watch & listen to all of it, so I am.
For the record, no one ever sounds like I expect, but Zotis's voice sounds like a slightly softer, less excitable version of CT5Holy's voice to me.
First Round - The initial Elemental damage from Barren's Geomancer kind set the tone for this round since TrueLight's Priest doesn't have any Cures for some reason. Basically everything snowballed from that since the Katar Thief is fast and hits rather hard. TrueLight's Priest getting effectively Stopped by Kagesougi via Don't Act and Don't Move basically won the round since Phoenix Down can't stand up to any attack Draw Out if you have no M-EV. I am kinda surprised that unit normally as squishy as a Ninja stayed up the longest for Truelight though.
Second Round - TrueLight was just automatically screwed by the Cemetery splitting you up a bit given Barren's team already has an easier time dealing damage. Hell Ivy procing Stop on his Ninja didn't help him at all though. Similarly, his Bard annihilating the Thief with Asura didn't really mean much since the Thief was guaranteed to get back up and in a stupidly short amount of time at that. TrueLight's Priest not having healing screwed him over again, though she was rather too focused on Haste 2 really until after people had died anyway. Raise 2 is all well and good if you can get it off (and it hits), but if you can't and that's your main source of healing...yeah. That just can't work against a team like Barren's where two units are too faster and two of them have basically guaranteed, significant damage. TrueLight will probably do better in the Underworld though.
(Anima Zero) Team: Seraphic Blue Palettes: Red/Black
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Anima Male Scorpio 70 40 Paladin Basic Skill Abandon Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand Ice Shield Crystal Helmet Light Robe Leather Mantle
Consecration, Transfusion, Iron Will, Reraise, Grand Cross Accumulate, Heal, Wish
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Minerva Female Capricorn 50 70 Samurai Lore MA Save Magic Attack UP Move-MP Up Chirijiraden
Circlet Robe of Lords Diamond Armlet
Bizen Boat, Murasame, Heaven's Cloud, Muramasa, Chirijiraden Bio 2, Bio 3, Tornado, Quake
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Captain Rex Male Virgo 70 40 Monk Steal Auto Potion Martial Arts Ignore Height
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
I said last time that I would actually pay attention to how Anima Zero won, so I'll do that. I just remember it being relatively close since both of them have pretty good teams, especially for "newbies".
First Round - No Frog on Bio 2 helps Fenire's team since that's basically only thing that can screw over Cursed Ring at present aside from maybe Berserk. The Archer gets off quite a bit of damage with Hawk's Eye before getting killed for a while. Then there's a rather lot "sandbaging" as various Earth element attacks get launched at the Summoner and co. while she dies repeatedly, which Pilgrimage only helps. The Archer getting up with a mere 1 HP is rather amusing.
The Cyclops form the Summoner nuking Anima Zero's team doesn't even briefly save her since the Monk just beats her face off and the Samurai heals herself with Quake. The female Paladin not getting any Battle Axe procs is something that I remember from this round that helped Anima Zero win this one. So was that Samurai blocking a would-be fatal longbow shot, if only because it caused the Squire to have to kill her when she waltz up with...something. Which, in turn, gets him killed by Spin Fist of all things rather than Repeating Fist.
The female Paladin even goes down soon after and the recently Raise 2'd Summoner gets OHKO by Quake due to Pilgrimage backfiring.
Second Round - I vaguely remember Fenire winning here because Anima Zero's team "smartly" split up from the start and the Undead Archer got Hasted and didn't get immediately Consecrated. He still went down rather quickly, but the Samurai using up turn on a rather weak Tornado and then guarding a healing Earth Slash is basically what started his downfall. Getting nuked by the Summoner, with the Mediator dying to Cyclops, and the female Paladin's Battle Axe finally going off on the male Paladin for fatal damage is basically what sealed it.
After that, it was mostly just a brief, vain struggle from Anima Zero's team, especially with Transfusion & Esuna breaking Charm, having to deal with Throw Stone & Poison & double-hitting Shieldrender and Anima Zero's team kinda having issues with units dying on an uneven terrain.
Third Round - And Mega Man X OST's is the background for Anima Zero's quick victory this round, that starts with the Undead Archer doing down really quickly. The Summoner getting killed by Damage Split of all things after surviving Quake and the female Paladin getting Charmed and then killing the Summoner when she revived with a Battle Axe proc of all things was part of why I guess I forgot this: it was just over so quickly even before Charm figured into it. Seriously, the Undead Archer barely even got a chance to Revive before he got killed by this own ally's Cure 4 of all things.
The only thing that would have been more "insulting" than the Blackmail at the end in this really sudden one-sided "fight" would have been Bio 2 Frogging the Paladin really.
The Rest of Winners Round One:
(reinoe) Team: 10 Gauge Palettes: Yellow/White
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Unit 1 Male Scorpio 70 55 Thief Item Counter Two Hands Fly Platinum Sword
Rune Male Serpentarius 40 70 Paladin Sing Damage Split Unyielding Flee Masamune Platina Shield Grand Helmet Maximillian Rubber Shoes
Nurse, Consecration, Transfusion, Iron Will, Reraise, Southern Cross Angel Song, Cheer Song, Magic Song, Nameless Song, Last Song
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Not much to say about this match given that reinoe just kinda steamrolled over poor Asakawa's team despite Asakawa not actually being all that bad (unlike, say, mine).
That said, I really don't understand why the Paladin didn't make a short move and fatally Southern Cross a unit in the second round. Sigh. The A.I. is so damn dumb at times....
I probably should watch this again given how much I commented on everything else, but...I have way too much I'm behind on presently. Maybe later.
(spacethypoon) Team: Black Sheep Palettes: Black/Green
*submits this team over the only other he finished because he says he wants things to not take long*
*fails to see both how crappy this team is and how a team that's based around Sleep obviously wouldn't finish things quickly*
*facepalms eventually at his usual idiocy*
Sigh. I'm not even surprised this happened given the more I've thought about my team, the more I realized it is rather bad for various reasons:
1. It can't really do any damage without powering up, which it isn't guaranteed to do.
2. It doesn't really have any AoE damage save for Spin Fist.
3. It doesn't heal or resurrect for enough.
4. It's too damn reliant on luck mostly in the form of any form of Sleep hitting and not getting instantly cured, especially when I have notoriously bad luck.
So, really, the wonder is more that I got a win at all, especially since I was severely disadvantaged on all maps versus the most threatening unit on spacethypoon's team, that (damn) Windslash Bow Archer. Every map basically had her immediately getting access to the high ground and getting to keep it, which was obviously bad for me.
Hmmm...I wonder if this abomination of a team is even legitimately fixable without completely overhauling it. It was meant to show off that Sleep is still rather overpowered given it lasts 60 freaking CTs, but, as usual, my ineptitude doesn't show that off well.
In thinking about it over the weekend, here's probably what I would fix without changing everyone's classes outright or something like that:
1. Saint Cannabis loses Petrify: I really should know better by now than to use Petrify on an Oracle unless that's basically all that I want the Oracle to concentrate on. Given Petrify status is a KO status, of course the A.I. is going to concentrate on that over Sleep or basically anything else it has in Yin-Yang Magic save for Dispel Magic as long as it has the MP. Such idiocy.
2. Saint Cannabis loses Dispel Magic: Similarly I already know how much the A.I. prioritizes Dispel Magic despite it currently being nigh worthless at AoE 0, at least with Masamune around. So I should have known better than to that either, especially when I'm already going out of my way to use Reflect on Sir Sheep.
3. Saint Cannabis loses Sing in general and gets Draw Out as his Secondary: He obviously wasn't Singing for the most of the match as it was, mostly only doing so to try and sing ineffectual Life Songs. Yay. Master Whiskey already has Chakra, so Angel Song isn't necessary and Battle Song just forces to me to awkwardly try to use Papyrus Plate on him when he never used that either. I'd probably just give him Murasame, Kiyomori, Bizen Boat and maybe an attacking Draw Out, even those don't benefit from Pilgrimage or his being male. He can maybe keep Papyrus Plate if I didn't just outright invert him and turn him into a Samurai with Yin-Yang Magic; it doesn't/didn't matter either way really.
4. Saint Cannabis gets 70 Brave: Might as well maximize Projectile Guard potential, especially if he's "supposed" to be attacking.
5. Doctor Pill...probably becomes an Lancer Itembot: He doesn't have enough MP to do anything as it is beyond one Quickening and he can't get more in this tournament since the only equipment left to give him MP are Earth Clothes (nigh useless on him), Green Beret (probably the best bet) and Flash Hat (meh on him and possibly disadvantageous on top of being redundant with Heretic). Bad Luck is too whimsical at present to use, especially for someone with bad luck, and while losing Steal Heart and Steal Accessory kinda sucks, the former at least is not all that reliable despite its potential power given its gender dependency. Heretic is basically only used on reaction to spells that weren't targeting him anyway, which Jump also basically gets around, and Quickening still needs to die in a fire, so....
6. Master Whisky gets a P Bag: Might as well, even if the A.I. can be rather dumb about using bag smacks over more damaging options even on even ground.
7. Master Whisky loses Insult for Death Sentence: Because of course I would think it was a bad idea & "buy" it anyway and of course he would use it in the dumbest way possible in the second round. At least Death Sentence wouldn't see an outright damage boost despite the potential problem of unit-ignoring and Doomed/Death Sentence not canceling or blocking Reraise. Gods. What an idiot.
Sir Sheep, despite those pathetic damage Wave Fists, is mostly fine as well, though maybe I'd give him Robe of Lords over Light Robe just so that he could get Nurse and also not be so vulnerable to Poison. I had again forgotten, as with many things apparently, that being poisoned with a P Bag or Light Robe on means that you stay poisoned unless cured of it directly since you can't reapply Regen.
Oh well.
Despite the mistake with your Paladin having damaging Draw Outs, spacethypoon, my team obviously had way more issues, so you earned your win. So "good game" and all that. I'll doubtless lose to Asakawa as well, though that fight will probably be slightly less horrible for me. We'll see I guess.
P.S. Barren, what my team's names are referencing is the title of the team name, though I'd understand if perhaps you haven't heard of the guy. The team's name is the only song I've heard from him myself. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G29lvYkSjY) Well, that and "officially", you don't seem to be using (or at least mentioning) the team names this tournament for the teams that have them, so it's not like it would come up.
P.P.S. Yeah, I gave the Monk Maintenance out of an abundance of caution as per usual. On top of being an idiot who apparently entertains Complexity Addiction in every team's thematic design, I also of course plot things too defensively. I expected there to be [a]a lot[/b] more teams with break skills, if only because I (way) expected more Ninja and Archers in general and given I can never avoid anything, I figured that using up a "free" Support slot on that would be better than trying to chance misses that would normally be free turns for other people. Still, Martial Arts probably would have indeed been better. Oh well. Too late there too.
The...Second Half of Losers Round One?:
Team: A Knight at the Movies Palettes: Black/White
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The Untouchable Male Sagittarius 70 40 Squire Item Abandon Throw Item Warpath Shieldrender Escutcheon II Twist Headband Power Sleeve Wizard Mantle
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
First Round - That was smart of the Mime to block Hawk's Eye with his face. That was not so smart of him to waltz up into Zodiac's range when he didn't have to, even if it was for the kill. This round reminded me that I still wonder what Sand Storm would be like if it was causing Berserk like it was "supposed" to instead of Stop, which actually ended up mattering since that led directly to the Squire's death where as Berserking him would be a mixed bag.
It's kind of weird to see Witch Hunt actually make something of a difference here, even if Fenire's team getting lucky with longbow accuracy and then Battle Axe activating basically invalidated that. I have to wonder why the Mime didn't bother moving on the turn that Poison killed him since it wouldn't have otherwise. It's not like it would have ultimately mattered, but still I wonder.
Second Round - The Undead Archer going down early helped quite a bit, but since Cursed Ring is so fucking stupid, it's unsurprising that it didn't help, especially since he had Kiyomori'd the Mime before "dying". Mimes are already ineffectual as it is when they can actually hit with their attacks. When they get Blinded, however, while mostly Mimicking physical attacks as well? And when they have to deal with potentially getting countered by Battle Axe while Poisoned? ...Yeah, they're screwed even when their team is intelligent and fortunate enough to be able to capitalize off their positioning. The double Fairy was nice, but not enough, especially when the Mime double Kagesougi'd the Samurai immediately after that and the Geomancer got nuked by Zodiac shortly before that happened.
So it would seem that White Knight Wiegraf is the first person eliminated from the tournament technically given the first four rounds of losers haven't been done. Unfortunate, but given that he had at least two self-imposed handicaps compared to everyone else--still using the standard 3,000 JP cap and a Mime--it's not at all surprising.
(silentkaster) Team: Annoying Team Palettes: Blue/White
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Archer 1 Male Aries 40 50 Archer Item Auto Potion Throw Item Move+1 Romanda Gun Zephyr Shield Thief Hat Brigandine Dracula Mantle
Arm Aim, Hawk's Eye, Head Break, Weapon Break Hi-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Archer 2 Male Aries 40 70 Archer Steal Faith Up Magic Attack UP Move-HP Up Blaze Gun Flame Shield Black Hood Santa Outfit 108 Gems
(skiploom188) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Green/Yellow
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Burret Male Virgo 70 62 Ninja Snipe Abandon Concentrate Flee Ninja Knife Ninja Edge Twist Headband Power Sleeve Feather Mantle
Shuriken Armor Break, Weapon Break
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Scizzoe Male Taurus 70 65 Lancer
PA Save Attack UP Move-HP Up Obelisk Crystal Shield Crystal Helmet Crystal Mail Chantage
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Homosex Male Taurus 70 65 Lancer Punch Art HP Restore Magic Defend UP Ignore Height Dragon Whisker Escutcheon II Gold Helmet Gold Armor Cherche
Level Jump5, Vertical Jump7 Stigma Magic, Revive
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Deero Male Capricorn 70 70 Chemist White Magic Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move-MP Up Blast Gun
Green Beret Black Costume Angel Ring
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Phoenix Down Raise, Raise 2, Esuna
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First Round - I still wonder why the A.I. is blind to some obstacles and not others even when not Berserked given that the windmill cogs blocked at least one of the Archers' shots. Also, there were a weird amount of missed Jumps this round when the A.I. tends not to miss Jumps that often. The Lancers' A.I. was at least smart enough, however, to redirect the Priest's Stop (twice) to herself even if it got immediately Chronos Tear'd away (twice). Not much else to say about this round given there are spellguns and a lot of Nameless Dance involved except that we finally saw a Priest (named Priest coincidentally) use Balance on someone and that it was nice to hear "The Passing of the Blue Crown" (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01723) used. (Hunh, I can't seem to find the digital copy of it that I downloaded earlier this year--I'll just have to download it again then.)
Second Round - I'll readily admit that I was only half-paying attention here given the result seemed a bit obvious between the spellguns, skiploom188's Ninja going down that quickly and silentkaster's excellent use of otherwise never-used-for-some-reason Faith Up. Given all the accurate Stops on top of that and that silentkaster's team basically was never put in a corner at any time save for the Undead Monk getting banged up for a bit and, yeah, no surprise who won this unfortunately. I also approve of "Wily's Reqiuem" (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00708) being used even as much as I said eariler I think Wily Stage 1 from Mega Man 2 tends to get overplayed--that includes getting over-remixed.
Guess that means skiploom188 is the second person eliminated from the tournament. Unfortunate given I think he's surprisingly the only person using dual Lancers, though I admittedly don't mind no longer having to read the name "Homosex". Still not sure what story there is or with the rest of his team's names....
Of the four loser's matches, this was the only one that I was actually "excited" for. I really like Dragonblade's team conceptually and was a bit annoyed at how quickly it got screwed over in winner's:
First Round - Holy shit. A 97% chance of Zombie without Faith Rod? Off the bat? Geez. That it was followed by Dragonblade's Paladin getting one-shot and then a Wish missing (again) and a 22% shot for significant damage connecting was...horrible luck for Dragonblade. Dragon Spirit going off on the male Mediator and Raise 2 downing the now-Undead Mediator helped make up for it a bit though, especially since Dragonblade's female Archer was Cursed Ring Undead anyway. The Berserk Ninja was a pain for everyone on Dragonblade's team though and he didn't get taken care of nearly quickly enough, basically killing everyone on Dragonblade's team at least once. Malroth's female Mediator getting up from Undead after the Oracle got Poisoned basically doomed poor Dragonblade anyway. Sigh.
Second Round - A much better start for Dragonblade given that the Ninja got Slept and then hit with Undead. This despite half of Dragonblade's team dying immediately after and then crappy Consecration missing before the Paladin got Death Sentenced. I wonder if the Counter Magic Zombie hitting would have changed anything in this round, especially since the female Mediator would not have wasted a turn trying to Death Sentence the Oracle then.
Regardless, both the Ninja and female Mediator Crystalizing after their first and only deaths was huge and what won Dragonblade this round despite Malroth's Archer blocking the majority of the things before her death.
Third Round - Geez. The Mediator caused Undead on the Ninja all three times he hit the guy? In every round? Malroth really did have horrible luck this tournament.
Still, an early Armor Break on the Oracle and the Mediator separating himself from the rest of Dragonblade's team early on didn't help matters at all for Dragonblade. Neither did Counter Magic Zombie hitting the Oracle this time or Dragonblade getting hit through Projectile Guard when Malroth's Projectile Guard blocked a more accurate shot. The same goes for Dragonblade's team constantly not grabbing crystals for some reason on top of his Undead Oracle not getting up at all when Malroth's Undead Mediator did.
The most confusing thing, though, is that Malroth's Archer didn't bother attacking Dragonblade's Paladin nearly as often as she could have towards the end. That's basically what ended up costing Malroth a very close round three and it's not like it was an issue of Move or preserving CT.
Sigh. The AI is so weird at times in its decisions. This is why it's difficult to "predict" things.
It's weird to see Malroth get eliminated so early, especially since he's gotten (much) better at team building in the time since he's been here. As much as I want to say I'm not sad to see a team that uses Spellguns, Kagesougi and Hidden Knife go, at the same time I can empathize with getting screwed over by bad luck, especially when you feel like you've actually built your team competently (and you have).
(Asakawa) Team: Team KG Palettes: Black/Blue
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Nosumo Male Libra 70 40 Lancer Punch Art PA Save Overwhelm Move-HP Up Javelin Escutcheon II Mythril Helmet Reflect Mail Feather Mantle
Sigh. Why did the hell didn't I just submit another team, even the Bollywood one that would have taken probably less long despite Slow Dance? How could I possible think any team based on Sleep, even one that was better made than what I submitted, would be "quicker"?
Oh well. Might as well get this over with and start commenting on this too-long abomination.
First Round - Gods my Paladin does pathetic damage though at least my Monk hit with Mimic Daravon off the bat on one person. 82% Petrify hits only to get nullified to no one's surprise even though it's apparently only "really" 61% when she's not charging due to Elf Mantle. I have no idea why the hell my Monk decided to charge towards the Geomancer...oh, to Insult him. Of course. I'm sure that will end well.
Two Steal Hearts have missed when two Petrifys have hit, but at least Insult takes "care" of another source of Petrify-healing since Geomancer has Refute. The Berserk Geomancer also "ironically" does less damage with physical hits than with his Geomancy, though that's not really surprising given how he's built. No Flare from Papyrus Plate--no surprise--and an interesting fatal double Demi via the Lancer's Reflect goes off while the Oracle gets to continue being ineffectual bait overall and I somehow manage to still have trouble with a 3 vs. 4 because my team sucks so much. The Priest keeps dodging things as Asakawa's Paladin finally wakes up and my Oracle keeps going for Petrify instead of actually useful things, like say Dispel Magic'ing away the Lancer's Reflect or focusing the arguably deadlier Sleep.
Gods, I just realized how useless all of my reactions save for Auto-Potion are against Asakawa's team unless I get rather lucky with HP Restore for once.
Anyway, Death Sentence from Secret Fist finally hits the Priest...only to get nullified by her (?) Paladin's Reraise of course. I'm way more surprised I didn't miss that Revive to get Doctor Pill up before he Crystallized or that I've been continually hitting these Petrifys. How the hell have I not missed one Petrify yet?
A too slow Paralyze goes off on the Priest after she Cure 4s herself, but it at least means the Geomancer is forced to Crystalize.
100% Undead on the Priest?! Oh, right. Saint Cannabis basically has 100 Faith by now and she's Disabled/Don't Acted, so she's screwed, especially since the Lancer just got Berserked, which weirdly makes him way less dangerous as well since Asakawa's team also has damage issues outside of the Priest's Holy and Geomancer's Geomancy. That's really the only reason I'm winning this given how much trouble I was having even when her Paladin was in Dream Land. I guess I'm just more surprised that Saint Cannabis is finally using Zombie at all rather than firing off another blasted Petrify.
(Oh, Asakawa the Priest and Saint Cannabis the Oracle apparently have Best compatibility. That explains things.)
Asakawa's Paladin dodges Secret Fist twice and Mimic Daravon once while Last Song'ing, only to only Quick himself after the Zombie Priest gets Paralyzed at 100% and take an extremely low-damage swing. Kind of amusing to see Masamune the Katana's current Dispel Magic proc go off to absolutely no avail since I so rarely use (temporary) status buffs despite playing defensively.
And then he, too, gets hit by Insult.
Well, this round is over then since the now-Undead Priest is down and the Lancer got put to Sleep as well, especially since then both the Lancer and Paladin get hit by Mimic Daravon (and Silence Song and Steal Accessory and Paralyze and...). Yep, the Priest just Crystallized instead of getting up, the Berserk Paladin got Petrified (again, seriously?) and the Berserk Lancer got Death Sentenced. Yeah.
(Oh, now you start using Battle Song, Saint Cannabis? You poorly constructed jackass....)
Second Round - ...And, as if hearing that, Saint Cannabis of course starts off with Battle Song now that he isn't focused on getting other people hard for nothing; if this team wasn't following thematic naming and if I was keeping Petrify, I'd totally name him "Saint Cocktease". Meanwhile, Asakawa's Paladin starts some type of Song as well since he also has nothing better to do yet; it's difficult to tell which since he has all but two of them. Oh, it's Magic Song. That's...wonderfully problematic if he sticks to it.
Anyway, it's odd that my Thief didn't move or act at all after Battle Song went off and of course both HP Restore doesn't go off and my Oracle stops Battle Song for goddamn 46% Petrify on the Geomancer.
...Which hits...only to get instantly cured. And yet Doctor Pill continues to not be able to hit anything even though that Steal Accessory was 83%. Why is Petrify being so generous to me all of a sudden?
At least Asakawa's Paladin stopped singing Magic Song for the sake of a pathetic damage Southern Cross and Doctor Pill didn't outright die. Death Sentence starts flying around on both teams after the Priest gets Paralyzed as the Asakawa's Paladin uses his last 5 MP on Nameless Song to cause Reflect (!) on 2 units and Shell on the problematic Geomancy. Dispel Magic finally gets targeted on someone with Reflect and takes away all the Paladin's positive statuses (Haste, Regen & Reflect), though Refute from the Geomancer takes away the Paladin's Death Sentence as well. Just like the Geomancer Refutes himself to get rid of Death Sentence (and Shell) the turn after that. Grrr....
Oh! Reflected Stop...off of my Paladin to Stop my Oracle even though my Oracle hasn't been using my Paladin to Reflect anything. Haha. My Oracle even gets Blackmailed by Geomancer while Stopped and still Charging. Sigh. At least Doctor Pill is at least smart enough to finally revive the Paladin whom had gotten killed after and who dies again to Comet anyway despite Iron Will.
Man, Asakawa's Lancer does terrible damage to both of my units with Spin Fist, but I guess I can't talk about doing terrible damage. Only reason I've been doing this well is because of status and a weird amount of luck for once. Both of the Paladins die as Asakawa's Paladin finally succumbs to Death Sentence only to get Raise 2 locked on to him.
...Which misses at 92%. What.
Blackmail somehow hits the Lancer as my Paladin keeps getting put down despite Iron Will via Comet and Geomancy. Raise 2 finally hits on Asakawa's Paladin just as both my Oracle and Asakawa's Paladin decide to have another Sing-off: ineffectual Life Song vs. ineffectual Angel Song.
Gods damn it. Someone needs to die permanently on someone's side. Pretty please.
My Monk misses Insult as Doctor Pill finally gets my Paladin enough health to stop him dying so easily and the Priest decides to use Slow 2 on him as such.
And, wow, I manage to then hit three separate Sleeps in a row between my Oracle's Sleep on Asakawa's Paladin, my Monk's Mimic Daravon on the Lancer and my Paladin's Sleep Sword on the Priest. Geez, why the hell couldn't you guys do any of this earlier against spacethypoon? Also, gods, Sir Sheep still does terrible damage even with 70 Brave and Warpath. I know Sleep Sword is a pretty weak sword and Sir Sheep has been attacking mostly 40 Brave units, but what the hell.
I get my Thief and Paladin Slowed off the Geomancer's Pitfall, but I've basically already won this since he's the only unit left active presently even though Refute is the only Talk Skill that currently works through Sleep (though it shouldn't). So, theoretically, he could heal them. It's just a question of if he's going to.
Ah, nix that. Master Whisky decides to be a brilliant jackass and wake the Lancer with a punch only to get a vicious crit-hit for 238 as the Lancer immediately gets his turn. You buffoon. Oh well, Repeating Fist puts him down just before I somehow manage to hit yet another Petrify at only 77%. How the have I not missed yet? Is it just because none of them have mattered anyway?
...And yet another Petrify on the same Paladin after Refute had healed it. Geomancer finally misses a Refute before getting Blackmailed into effective Silence--well, Disable/Don't Act--and targeted for a 79% Petrify that...also hits.
I...what. Why did I win this? Why did I actually hit so many Petrifies the one time I'm not actually building around the damn thing? Why? ...How?
Anyway, Asakawa the Priest wakes up after dodging Secret Fist only once in her Sleep and decides it's better to Holy my Thief to death briefly than Esuna either either of her allies for...some reason. This even though everyone ran away from her because she has cooties Death Sentence and she easily could have cured both of them while still being ignored before she died.
Noooooooo! (http://nooooooooooooooo.com) I...won. But how? Even doing this almost-turn-by-turn I still don't understand why I managed to get so lucky this game when my luck normally sucks. I wasn't even using reverse psychology, Lady Luck; why you are such a massive jackass to me?
Sigh. Good game Asakawa. I really did want you to win this, but I suppose I'll just have to die to Dragonblade or, possibly, to spacethypoon again should he (probably) lose to reinoe. Whichever.
(I literally hit every Petrify though. What the hell.)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on August 13, 2014, 01:18:50 pm
I'd like to suggest some music: Lost Odyssey's "A Mighty Enemy Appears" And the game's Main Battle Theme, or "The Gun Barrel of Battle" as it's called.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 13, 2014, 01:54:44 pm
Winner's Round 2!
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 17 - Vigilanti vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/l_pP7k_nVRY)
With more to come!
EDIT: FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 18 - Reks vs Mallen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqP9NlHMmfM)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 13, 2014, 02:28:25 pm
GG, Vigilanti. I got lucky with Talk Skill there.
I know CT5Holy, Abandon was a mistake on my part. However, it does give Myrtle a chance to avoid being OHKO'd by a Two Hand Katar Thief with good compatibility, or non-transparent physical attackers in general. Vigilanti's Squire can't OHKO my Time Mage; he survives a Holy Spell with 1 HP if he's at max health. If she were a Pisces, he would be dead meat. The Time Mage has Cure spells for emergencies.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on August 13, 2014, 02:35:21 pm
Umm... Barren, I looked over the team draft I sent you and Tristan DID have Chakra. Please check your inbox, I was confused when I saw the video and you said I didn't have Chakra.
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Post by: Barren on August 13, 2014, 02:59:51 pm
Yea I checked and I made a mistake there. I'll make note to Zotis that if he hasn't already recorded your match then to be sure that he would include chakra on your paladin. Sorry about that
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Post by: TristanBeoulve on August 13, 2014, 03:19:33 pm
Yeah no problem. I suppose I would have lost the match anyway, so no hard feelings.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 13, 2014, 06:47:50 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 19 - whitebox vs Zotis (http://youtu.be/wnLKyYGb8ZM)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 20 - Eternal vs Barren (http://youtu.be/X1iBQXTvqwE)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 13, 2014, 07:37:57 pm
Both rounds were pretty close matches. Round 1 especially with everyone dropping like flies. That last few seconds were crucial for my team to clean up the damage. Round 2 Cursed Ring saved the day. GG Eternal, your squire showed some spunk with that blade beam proc
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Post by: The Damned on August 14, 2014, 06:38:13 am
(Not sure what's happening with the first half of Losers Round One, but since it doesn't directly affect me [yet], I'm not going to nag anyone about it.)
Oh, haha. I just realized that in my match against Asakawa, TrueLight accidentally misnamed "Doctor Pill" as "Doctor Phil". Doctor Pill isn't that crooked of a "doctor"--honor among Thieves and all that.
I also just realized that I never responded to Eternal, that apparently there's a post missing in this thread beyond the one that Leif1991 deleted & I never saw and that TrueLight never got around to counting up Abilities.
Regardless, I'll comment on the latest batch of matches before I respond to Eternal. Nice to hear CT5Holy back on narration.
(Vigilanti) Team: Harem Palettes: White/Red
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Aki Male Capricorn 70 55 Paladin Jump Dragon Spirit Maintenance Move-HP Up Defender
Barbuta Carabini Mail Leather Mantle
Nurse, Transfusion, Iron Will Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Aoi Female Taurus 40 55 Geomancer Draw Out Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move+1 Rune Blade Escutcheon II Holy Miter Earth Clothes Magic Gauntlet
Local Quake Bizen Boat, Murasame, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden
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Asuna Female Taurus 40 55 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Teleport Main Gauche
Mantis Male Capricorn 40 70 Archer Punch Art Projectile Guard Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Blaze Gun Kaiser Plate Green Beret Brigandine Setiemson
Leg Aim, Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break, Armor Break, Shield Break Stigma Magic, Revive
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Well, this was disappointing between my wanting Vigilanti to win since he's only person using a Knight Sword & Ultima and the total one-sidedness of it. Not much to say about given spellgun's current level of bullshit, though oddly the Thief was basically inconsequential to Leif1991 winning unlike in his first match, where Thief's Repel Knife kept going off.
(Reks) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Luke Male Taurus 70 40 Squire Steal Abandon Defense UP Move-HP Up Hunting Bow Escutcheon II Green Beret Santa Outfit Feather Mantle
Liquor Lancer Male Aquarius 70 50 Lancer Sing Auto Potion Maintenance Fly Obelisk Genji Shield Cross Helmet Carabini Mail Battle Boots
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8 Life Song, Battle Song
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Drunken Dancer Female Sagittarius 70 50 Dancer Chivalry MP Restore Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand
Twist Headband Santa Outfit Angel Ring
Wiznaibus, Polka Polka Iron Will, Grand Cross
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Patroni Paladin Male Gemini 55 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Short Charge Move-MP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Crystal Helmet Robe of Lords Dracula Mantle
Nurse, Reraise Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
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Yay, someone finally had a match that was longer than one of mine this tournament:
Round One: Outside of the Squire trying for a crossbow shot on a unit already marked for death that could have knocked him out of range if it had hit and the Samurai & he wandering out of Haste 2 range, Reks's team was extremely smart about this round both spell and Jump-wise. The Squire was just kinda there for a really one-sided "fight". (Also, yes, CT5Holy, Jump doesn't care about Blind.)
Round Two: I figured that Mallen would win this round soon as I saw it was that particular Deep Dungeon map given he has Battle Song, which he (?) kept hitting everyone with. Ergo, the only surprising thing about this was that Wiznaibus made such a difference and didn't really backfire at all. I also hadn't realized how much Poison is on Mallen's team or how much Don't Move is on Reks's team.
Round Three: I can only imagine that the Samurai used that useless Tornado on the Monk because the Squire didn't wander out of range of the first Haste 2 this time. Who knows with some of the things the A.I. does though. This probably would have been over early again if Steal Heart hit off the bat, but it didn't, which is what led to Reks's team getting split up. The Samurai acting stupid about healing herself is part of what screwed him over here on top of Comet basically being made useless via the Lancer's Auto-Potion. Speaking of Comet & the Lancer, yes, he Lancer would have died if it wasn't for that Life Song going off just before Comet it hit. If Comet had killed the Lancer, then Reks's probably would have won this. Weird to know that Life Song made such a difference when it healed for so little.
Still, the Squire having bad luck with Bad Luck and everything else he did this round didn't help Reks. The Priest being so dumb and having a rather weak reaction, however, is what ultimately otherwise what put the nail in the coffin for Reks. This especially since she got trapped in the corner and was separated with the only unit on Reks's team she couldn't revive. Just as with Life Song above, it's a bit weird to think that Reks might have won just if the Priest had Regenerator, as weak and overlooked as that often is, given Poison is what took her down in the rounds he lost.
Overall, Reks's Priest was kinda the weak link on this team as it is between being the most vulnerable unit, the only real reviver (since Wish is horrible presently) and mages currently getting utterly destroyed by Poison. Still, for a team that Reks's thought was going to perform quite poorly, it's more than decent otherwise. Certainly better than my tournament team.
Also, yes, Bad Luck triggering Counter is part of why it currently sucks, CT5Holy.
(Eternal) Team: A Reverie Reborn Palettes: Blue/Red
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Marche Male Serpentarius 70 40 Squire Steal Dragon Spirit Two Swords Warpath Gold Staff Moonlight Thief Hat Black Costume Rubber Shoes
Quickening
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Montblanc Male Serpentarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic Damage Split Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Wizard Rod
Holy Miter Black Robe Chantage
Fire, Bolt, Ice, Water, Poison Sinkhole
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Shara Female Serpentarius 70 40 Archer Item Speed Save Concentrate Teleport Ultimus Bow
Twist Headband Power Sleeve Diamond Armlet
Cover Fire X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Ritz Female Serpentarius 40 70 Priest Lore Auto Potion Equip Light Blade Move-MP Up Shieldrender
Golden Hairpin White Robe Defense Ring
Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna Bio, Bio 2, Bio 3
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vs.
(Barren) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Blue/Yellow
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Altair Male Cancer 70 50 Ninja Item Speed Save Defense UP Move-HP Up Repel Knife Ninja Edge Thief Hat Black Costume Setiemson
I'm admittedly surprised that CT5Holy wasn't as befuddled by Ritz having a Shieldrender as I was.
Not much to say here except that Cursed Ring and Katar were being their stupid selves, but I'll admit that this was closer than I thought it would be given Eternal purposely made a "weird" team and the above.
Tetraskelion Female Aquarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic MP Restore Magic Defend UP Teleport Poison Rod
Green Beret Robe of Lords Wizard Mantle
Frog Haste 2, Slow 2, Sinkhole
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Still calling Gastraphetes "Gastrointestinal" I see, CT5Holy:
Round One: This round was basically decided by Secret Fist even with as much damage as whitebox's Dancer does and it being kind of a big deal that she can OHKO the Summoner. I have to wonder if the initial Slow 2 hitting the Dancer would have changed anything here given the smallness of the map.
Round Second: A complete reversal of fortune with Zotis getting really fortunate here while whitebox didn't, what with constantly missing Secret Fist on the Summoner among other things. That's why I wasn't surprised that 37% Frog hit on the first try even if Zotis had already won the round by that point due to Slow 2 hitting all of whitebox's team early on. I also just realized that whitebox's team is one of the few teams not running any form of Haste, which rather showed here.
Round Three: Have to admit that I thought Zotis would win here from the beginning when I saw that first Secret Fist miss again and the Summoner mostly stay away from the Dancer. The Paladin becoming obsessed with Secret Fist seemed to be the chief problem given Death Sentence backfired a lot as it often does. I say that slightly edges out also huge problem of the Dancer being in Critical for half of the round, negating Reraise's effect, in being what ultimately cost whitebox the match. I wonder if he would have won the match if she had Wiznaibus or some other Dance considering how long she was cowering in the there....
Yeah, Solution is completely...counterintuitive and counterproductive on Zotis's team, but it's still nice to see someone try to use it at all as well as see the A.I. finally try to use it. The same goes for Preach and Bullrush.
Regardless, it's a bit funny how ultimately, despite as much damage as both the Dancer and Summoner do, it was ultimately Death Sentence and Slow that decided everything. Also rather funny how despite all of the status flying around, Wizard ever only tried Frog once and when it she did it was for a low percentage that still hit.
Yes, I know. I wasn't calling you out on the "overall" weirdness like I said, especially since it would hypocritical of me to do so given all the theme teams I've made. I'm just still weirded out at Shieldrender over literally any other weapon. Any reason why that?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 14, 2014, 07:22:28 am
Probably because that Eternal wanted to keep true with his FFTA team and since Ritz uses a rapier as a weapon. Faithfulness in the character I guess
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Post by: Jumza on August 14, 2014, 09:32:04 am
I think a Rune Blade would have been more fitting to the character (since a lot of rapiers teach spells), and more useful for the team, but I guess it's Eternal's decision :P
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 15, 2014, 02:34:07 am
Quote from: Jumza on August 14, 2014, 09:32:04 am I think a Rune Blade would have been more fitting to the character (since a lot of rapiers teach spells), and more useful for the team, but I guess it's Eternal's decision :P
If you want to get even more technical, Ritz wields a staff in her official artwork. So, I guess a wizard staff would have been ok. http://chrysaliswiki.wdfiles.com/local--files/people:ritz-malheur/ritz_ffta.jpg (http://chrysaliswiki.wdfiles.com/local--files/people:ritz-malheur/ritz_ffta.jpg)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 15, 2014, 04:05:46 am
Sorry for the delay guys. I have been procrastinating. I'm recording the matches now. I re-patched a fresh FFT iso, so hopefully move-mp up, hp up, and projectile guard are working properly.
I was holding my breath there. To be honest I was really shocked when I lost the first round. I hadn't really considered how squishy my Summoner was, giving her Auto Potion to keep her alive was so hard countered by that big damage one shot. I have a feeling it's going to be my downfall at some point in this tournament. I absolutely love my Wizard, she is just so perfect and does exactly what she's built for very effectively. Actually everyone on my team functions well the way they are designed, it all came together well. My team has good survivability despite the achilles heel, but it's an even bigger problem since my Summoner is my other revival unit. When both the Summoner and Mediator die, that's it I'm done for. Going up against Barren in the next round is going to be scary too since I suspect I'm going to run into similar problems. Fortunately with a little luck some statuses can go my way, but I think it's really going to come down to luck and Barren will have the edge.
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Post by: The Damned on August 15, 2014, 04:17:24 am
(Thanks for letting us know what's going on, Zotis.)
No, I totally get that it was Eternal's decision and I respect that. I just think that literally any weapon, much less sword, would have been better if you were going out of your way to equip Light Blade on a Priest that isn't even physically attacking.
It's not a huge deal or anything though, especially since Eternal's team is decent otherwise. I'm just nagging about this because a) nagging is what I do and b) I'm still sort of disappointed no one in the tournament is using an Ultima Blade. That weapon still gets overlooked even though I think it's easily one of the better Swords at present.
Oh well. None of the teams I just made ended up using an Ultima Blade, so it's not like I can talk.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 15, 2014, 07:27:40 am
Well, the first match is slowly uploading. I'm off to bed now though, so I'll post the link when I get up. It should publish as soon as it's done processing, so check the channel in about half an hour.
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 1 - Angelus vs Winterfractal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeIrem2iz4)
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Post by: Eternal on August 15, 2014, 10:52:55 pm
Honestly, I just chose Shieldrender because I like its name. Mystery solved.
EDIT: I asked Barren to put Throw Stone and Dash on Marche before the tourney started before the team submission was over, so that he'd use Quickening, so I knew about the AI issue. I'm sad it wasn't fixed, but eh, no big deal. :P
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Post by: Vigilanti on August 17, 2014, 11:47:11 am
Yea my team had horrible luck with talk skill in this one. The reason why I wanted maintenance was because I was paranoid with break/steal skills. Though I wished I thought of a better way to improve my paly's defenses. Plus I wanted to be different and use a knight sword instead of a spear to do jump damage. GG leif you definitely kicked my ass. Now how comfy is the doom drain?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 17, 2014, 01:03:55 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 21 - Anima Zero vs CT5Holy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlUfY_-cmRU&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 22 - Otabo vs Vireblaze (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rExOv1Z25uk&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Anima Zero on August 17, 2014, 01:39:45 pm
Kinda had a hunch I was at a disadvantage here. Partly due to forgetting about darkness protection and partly because a Blaze Gun on a fire weak unit isn't a pleasant experience, heh.
Anyways, nice job there sir. Time for me to get comfy on the doomtrain now.
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Post by: CT5Holy on August 17, 2014, 03:16:32 pm
Well, R1 was realllly close - I got lucky with your Charm missing and my Charm landing. I was pretty far behind, so your charm landing would've been insta-lose for me. My charm connecting brought me back in the game. Honestly might've won it for me right then and there. Less pressure on me, your Samurai helps with anti-sandbag + gives me time to get my Cursed Ring Ninja back up.
Though yeah, weak to fire unit was a definite problem, esp since the Paladin then spent the next two turns on self-buffs.
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Post by: Barren on August 18, 2014, 12:00:29 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 23 - Dokurider vs Celdia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97outA_jp0o&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 24 - reinoe vs spacethypoon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJMEyBj55U&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: The Damned on August 18, 2014, 12:13:28 pm
(I see, Eternal, and yet I am still blind.)
I feel like I'm forgetting something, but I think it's partly because I'm being nagged by Barren's pronunication of Minerva. It's not a huge deal, especially since I've gotten used to the Boston accent over the years, but I think it's just weirding me out that someone wouldn't have heard of a rather prominent goddess's name.
Just for the record, you're supposed to stress the "er" of Minerva, Barren, and separate it from the "min". Min/er/va. Again, not important, but just figured I'd say something for the sake of clarity even though this is probably coming off with some asperity that I don't intend.
Anyway, the three last matches were all kinda of one-sided unfortunately and I can still blather on about them just as well:
(Angelus) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Green/White
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Shinobi Male Pisces 70 40 Ninja Punch Art Damage Split Overwhelm Move-MP Up Hidden Knife Ninja Knife Golden Hairpin Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Meiton Secret Fist, Stigma Magic, Revive
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Shogun Female Virgo 40 60 Samurai Steal MA Save Magic Attack UP Move+1 Kiyomori
(Winterfractal) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Scarlett Male Leo 70 70 Archer Steal Awareness Concentrate Move+1 Ice Bow
Thief Hat Black Costume Feather Mantle
Arm Aim, Shield Break, Weapon Break Steal Heart
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John Male Leo 70 70 Archer Ninjitsu Abandon Attack UP Teleport Lightning Bow
Flash Hat Brigandine Leather Mantle
Leg Aim, Execute, Head Break, Armor Break Kagesougi
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Tuck Male Sagittarius 70 70 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Move-HP Up Stone Gun
Black Hood Rubber Costume Wizard Mantle
Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down Death Sentence, Mimic Daravon
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Marion Female Aries 40 70 Priest Yin Yang Magic Regenerator Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Healing Staff
Golden Hairpin Robe of Lords Elf Mantle
Cure 3, Raise, Esuna Paralyze, Petrify
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Hunh. I'm rather surprised at how one-sided this was for Angelus even though it took a while for him to win. Winterfractal's team had more overall damage between Stone Gun and Kagesougi, but his team really doesn't have any AoE at all, which is basically what ended up screwing him over when facing Lich, Slow 2, Koutetsu and Kikuichimonji. As such, his M-EV didn't really matter since he couldn't catch up when he fell behind outside of the Priest landing Paralyze, so it only delayed the inevitable. His Chemist did tank and dodge hits rather nicely towards the end of round two though--I can't deny that.
Dark attacks are actually pretty damn powerful when you don't actually absorb them and Winterfractal's team is one of the relative few that doesn't have Cursed Ring; he does have at least one unit that absorbs Dark, though, unlike what I thought earlier given I'd forgotten Scarlett's Black Costume. Additionally, Tuck's Flash Hat backfired here, if only in the second round, due to it turning the Ninja's guaranteed Meiton into an OHKO on that particular Archer; sure, it only made Meiton an OHKO once, but that was enough when it's difficult for Winterfractal's team to comeback against Angelus. Meiton otherwise wasn't bugging him due to the weirdly high Faith of his non-spellgun-using shooters. Finally, though it didn't matter in this match, Winterfractal's team is absolutely weak to Projectile Guard, especially if the unit with it has protection from Disable/Don't Act, protection from Sleep and/or low Faith. Still, it was nice to someone try to use not only Stone Gun, but also Lightning Bow & Ice Bow given how absurdly powerful spellguns still are.
That said, I have to wonder how poorly Angelus's team will fare against the many teams that have a fellow Cursed Ring user or more than one unit that absorbs Dark. His team has more ways to get around its hard counter than Winterfractal's team does to get around Projectile Guard, but it would still be a problem, especially since that unit would likely be tankier than Scarlett. This even with his Ninja being basically immortal because Cursed Ring is stupid like that now.
P.S. Speaking of stupid things in 1.38 that we still have to endure a year later, I really want Kagesougi and the other (Ninjutsu) skills to still get labelled if 1.39 ever rolls around because it's still rather grating to miss Kagesougi going off without realizing it. For example, I thought for a while it was a normal Lightning Bow shot that had caused Immobilize/Don't Move early on in round one on the Time Mage even though Lightning Bow isn't Gaignun's Sword of Storms. It doesn't help that both Lightning Bow and Kagesougi can cause Disable/Don't Act, though at least Lightning Bow being able to cause Disable/Don't Act is fair.
(Anima Zero) Team: Seraphic Blue Palettes: Red/Black
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Anima Male Scorpio 70 40 Paladin Basic Skill Abandon Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand Ice Shield Crystal Helmet Light Robe Leather Mantle
Consecration, Transfusion, Iron Will, Reraise, Grand Cross Accumulate, Heal, Wish
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Minerva Female Capricorn 50 70 Samurai Lore MA Save Magic Attack UP Move-MP Up Chirijiraden
Circlet Robe of Lords Diamond Armlet
Bizen Boat, Murasame, Heaven's Cloud, Muramasa, Chirijiraden Bio 2, Bio 3, Tornado, Quake
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Captain Rex Male Virgo 70 40 Monk Steal Auto Potion Martial Arts Ignore Height
Not much to say here given that spellguns are spellguns--tautology!--and given that CT5Holy's team is unsurprisingly decent despite him thinking it might be crap. "Hitting hard" is all that really matters when you're guaranteed to hit and since spellguns are guaranteed to hit....
Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind spellguns being subject to M-EV since you asked Barren. I'm not sure, however, if it actually can be made to do so (easily) between it being a gun and technically still a regular physical Attack (and still not knowing jack about how to code). At least, I'm relatively sure that MA-based weaponry like Staves and Sticks are still affected by Defense UP and Protect rather than Mag. Defense UP and Shell, even if, yes, spellguns are exempted from that as well anyway. Shrug.
Regardless, as others and I expressed almost a year ago already when 1.39 talk came up "seriously", the only real way to balance spellguns if they're going to be around at all is have them not go off Faith & thus not be boostable by Pilgrimage (or Muramasa the Katana). This and also have them be Forced Two Hands. They might need a slight WP boost of one point to compensate for being switched over to the Nether spells, but that's really the only way they're going to be remotely fair if they exist. As such, when it comes to guns, it's more of question of what to do with Romanda Gun and Mythril Gun still from what I've seen really.
Anyway, getting back to the actual match, I'll comment on something related to Anima the Paladin: despite Barren commenting on his set-up twice so far with respect to Ice Brand Grand Cross self-blinding, I can't recall Anima actually using it as of yet. I don't think he even used it in the first match before this either. So now I wonder if he'll use on the Doom Train (provided my memory isn't just failing me like always and he's used it already) or if Anima Zero's team will get eliminated without the Paladin using Grand Cross at all for some weird reason.
Regardless, it's pretty rare to see someone not only not cover a weakness, but also have that weakness actually get exploited. It's even more rare to see that weakness by due to something other than Cursed Ring, though it is amusingly still a Fire weakness. Anima Zero just got (extra) unlucky in that CT5Holy had exactly the spellgun he was weakest to as well. Burn, baby, burn. (Disco inferno.)
(Otabo) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Brown/Black
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Teabag Female Scorpio 45 40 Thief Draw Out Projectile Guard Equip Armor Move-HP Up Sasuke Knife
The Bishop Male Taurus 40 70 Priest Summon Magic Absorb MP Short Charge Float Wizard Staff
Golden Hairpin Light Robe Magic Ring
Raise 2, Esuna, Holy Moogle, Carbunkle, Odin
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And, unlike the above match, this match was almost entirely decided by status, especially that second one. It's rather particularly ironic given that Vireblaze's Paladin might have the most anti-status unit in the entire tournament (who isn't a Monk with access to Chakra Band)...and he still got violated by Sleep status in both rounds; Paladin was also violated by Slow 2, but more so Sleep. And all that Charm and Berserk status flying around in the second match...geez.
As amusing as it was to see HP Restore go off repeatedly in the first round, I mostly just felt bad for this being so one-sided for Vireblaze. Sure, I'd say that last two matches I just commented on were also relatively one-sided, but at least both Winterfractal and Anima Zero largely got to play; they just couldn't make comebacks against their respective opponents. Meanwhile, Vireblaze just got steamrolled by way of the RNG loving Obato throughout the entire match and there's not really much you can do about that, especially when your team already has the match-up disadvantage.
EDIT: Oh, apparently two more matches are up now. Well, that figures. Thanks for the celerity, Barren.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on August 18, 2014, 12:17:40 pm
Speed disadvantage + little status removal was mainly the reason why Vireblaze lost. Slow, as we all know, is devastating, and if a team can't deal with it, and if the enemy team has fast hasted units like thieves and whatnot, then there's not much said team can do, really. But yeah, I figured HP Restore would be obnoxious again here, but that's mainly due to RNG factors. Seeing as my girls all have low to mediocre damage at best, HP Restore is going to be obnoxious no matter how I look at it - the team isn't designed to deal with HP Restore via damage, but by DS/status instead. GG Vireblaze.
EDIT: Time to knuckle up ladies. We're against CT5Holy next round. This should be good.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on August 18, 2014, 01:06:37 pm
Seeing The Damned's most recent post, I figured I would comment on my bard, Ulfric Stormcloak. I had figured Barren would have recognized the Elder Scrolls reference, but I guess this forum is filled mostly with JRPG players. That's it.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 18, 2014, 01:44:13 pm
CHOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
There were a couple points in those fights where if the RNG had leaned the other direction it could have easily gone in my favor (I'm looking at you, Steal Heart) but I think overall it really just came down to speed/team positioning that left my Oracle behind the mark and unable to drop Doku's summoner before she could become a problem.
Good match, Doku. :)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 18, 2014, 02:10:12 pm
Yeah you could have taken a round from me while the RNG gods were giving me a once over. I guess my Irish Luck was to compensate for the fact I could have easily been facing off against a Phoenix Balancer. *shudders*
Don't worry I did make a team with your name on it while I was gone, which I'm waiting until the tourney's over to unveil.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 19, 2014, 03:28:58 pm
(So...we're already at the end of Round 2 Winners...and yet I have no idea what's going on with the matches 2-4 of Losers still.)
Granted, this still doesn't affect me since it's apparently been decided that I'm going to get my ass kicked by Vigilanti--woot--already, but...yeah. Inquiring minds wish to know.
In finding out that I am getting eliminated by Vigilanti though, I saw that Dragonblade is apparently fighting Reks next round of Losers. That's...unfortunate since I didn't want either of them to get eliminated this early. Sigh.
(Dokurider) Team: Luck of the Irish Palettes: Green/Black
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Fand Female Serpentarius 45 70 Time Mage White Magic Finger Guard Short Charge Move-MP Up H Bag
Yeah, despite being destroyed by Dokurider's superior firepower off the bat in both rounds, Celdia could have easily come back in at least the first one between the power of Charm/Steal Heart and how obnoxious Phoenix Blade and Cursed Ring can get at times. Well that and Dokurider's (O)Irishness declaring itself by making him miss two 89% Raise 2's on the squishy Summoner in a row. By Aine, what the hell was that?
Anyway the thing that really doomed Celdia overall, besides Dokurider just hitting much harder in general, was the Thief mostly opting for ineffectual Last Songs whenever he got a turn/got up and the Oracle getting done in before she could really abuse Faith Rod in anyway. Speaking of Faith Rod, I have to admit that I was surprised the Oracle lived through that Salamander given she didn't have Magic Defend UP or Shell or White Robe or worse than Neutral compatibility.
(reinoe) Team: 10 Gauge Palettes: Yellow/White
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Unit 1 Male Scorpio 70 55 Thief Item Counter Two Hands Fly Platinum Sword
And we go from a short match to an even shorter match with an even more severe damage difference even before Blast Gun came in. Even with as lucky spacethypoon got with the most/only dangerous unit on his team, and her causing constant Hurricanes with her Windslash Bow, it didn't come close to being enough since we saw the real reason why Draw Out is terrible on low-MA units: if they have Murasame, they'll still use it to try to heal even if it's for completely pathetic amounts of HP, especially if it can heal others. This even if it has other healing options that will heal for superior amounts of HP, as seen with the Paladin foregoing Nurse in the second round for a Murasame of 50 HP.
I mean, at least Koutetsu can be used to deal with Phoenix Down even if your MA is low. Murasame goes from being arguably overpowered to an utter liability when your MA is low. Combine that with spacethypoon's Ninja getting slaughtered by reinoe's Ninja off the bat twice in a row and his Priest being easy pickings for Blast Gun and it's quite easy to see why he was basically doomed against reinoe's team from the start. Even at her best, the Archer couldn't and can't solo reinoe's team.
A bit underwhelming to have the last two matches of the current Winners round be even more one-sided, but considering we're still early on in the tournament, it's neither that surprising nor that disappointing.
Quote from: TristanBeoulve on August 18, 2014, 01:06:37 pm Seeing The Damned's most recent post, I figured I would comment on my bard, Ulfric Stormcloak. I had figured Barren would have recognized the Elder Scrolls reference, but I guess this forum is filled mostly with JRPG players. That's it.
Good to know, though I thought it was fairly obvious that it came something Elder Scrolls-related and I haven't even played those games while I think like...half of the people in this thread have, if not in the forum. That said, I can't speak for anyone else, so who knows.
I'm personally way more of a platformer, fighting and puzzle game guy than I am an RPG guy, much less (nigh) exclusively JRPGs.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 21, 2014, 06:49:49 am
I might just have to work on the loser bracket matches 2 - 4 since I haven't heard from zotis this week so I'll get them up by today if not tomorrow
EDIT: Just heard from him he'll finally get it done today
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 21, 2014, 08:41:09 am
Sorry everyone... I'm recording the next one now.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 21, 2014, 10:05:28 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 25 - Leif1991 vs Mallen (http://youtu.be/U-P9u-oCNrg)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 26 - Zotis vs Barren (http://youtu.be/82cHbT4Txds)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 21, 2014, 10:26:19 am
I was fairly certain I would win this one though I had minor doubt I would. But still charm helped in the beginning and cursed ring...soo sooo soooo good. GG zotis. Good luck on the doom train
And leif, guess we are in for one hell of a battle coming up. Best of luck to you
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 21, 2014, 10:31:54 am
I finished recording Shadowstrike vs RedWorld, so I'm just uploading it now. I should be able to do the other two matches tonight.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 21, 2014, 12:57:48 pm
I was fairly certain I would win this one though I had minor doubt I would. But still charm helped in the beginning and cursed ring...soo sooo soooo good. GG zotis. Good luck on the doom train
And leif, guess we are in for one hell of a battle coming up. Best of luck to you
Barren, you spoiled my match before I got to see it. :(
My Mediator was the MVP in this match. She shut down that Paladin before he could raise units back up.
Well, I will have to get lucky with status procs if I am to beat you Barren.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on August 21, 2014, 05:33:43 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Looser's Season 3 Match 2: Shadowstrike vs RedWorld (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4RC1ssIgs)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 22, 2014, 09:52:54 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 27 - CT5Holy vs Otabo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck8FKpqKFds&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 28 - Dokurider vs reinoe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meyTDY6sq3Y&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 22, 2014, 01:03:48 pm
All I have to say is, what an upset.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on August 22, 2014, 03:36:54 pm
Man, I knew it. I even went to a fortune teller and she warned me that darkness was about to befall my team because there was a traitor amongst them. I guess she was plotting revenge for me calling her stupid earlier. Seriously though, three berserks on that ninja? And THEY ALL LANDED? As if that wasn't enough to royally screw my team, the usual RNG shenanigans played its part at points, too. At least I got further than I expected. We get revenge on the doomtrain, ladies. It's a matter of time.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 22, 2014, 04:33:55 pm
To be perfectly honest, I thought it was going to be Reinoe that was going to knock me onto the Doomtrain. I was not really expecting to win, let alone by such a wide margin. He had what it took to kill my mages and minimize the threat of Hornswoggle. I think Reinoe could have won the short map round if given a better close range map that would have allowed him to get to my mages easily.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 22, 2014, 04:41:03 pm
So many missed Charms for Otabo! More charms would have easily killed me.
Leif - what makes you think Dokurider vs reinoe was an upset?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 22, 2014, 10:15:56 pm
I think people expected reinoe to win, especially reinoe himself. ;)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 23, 2014, 02:29:41 am
blech. That ninja should have used throw stone when the chemist was charging a comet. I guess the Kagesougi was supposed to proc "Don't Act" in the ninja's mind though. Oh stupid stupid A.I. I wasn't going to win anyway. Surprised that that summoner has no protection from spellguns, but clearly she didn't really need it.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on August 23, 2014, 02:56:20 pm
QuoteSurprised that that summoner has no protection from spellguns, but clearly she didn't really need it.
Well, she couldn't have it. I already gave my TM White Robe and my Thief Projectile Guard.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 23, 2014, 03:04:46 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 13 - Eternal vs Fenire (http://youtu.be/VoRpZ9sEnBo)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 14 - whitebox vs silentkaster (http://youtu.be/4CajBz8LVrY)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 15 - Reks vs Dragonblade (http://youtu.be/S75a8Q3M6_Y)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 16 - Vigilanti vs The Damned (http://youtu.be/4fB9mk3oivw)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 23, 2014, 03:30:33 pm
(I'll catch up on those matches later tonight.)
We still need two from the first round of Losers anyway. I say I can't believe we're up to the second to last round of Winners already, but this is kinda what happened last Season, so....
(Leif1991) Team: The Green Thieves Palettes: Green/Brown
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Malachite Male Virgo 40 70 Time Mage White Magic Dragon Spirit Short Charge Move-MP Up H Bag
Liquor Lancer Male Aquarius 70 50 Lancer Sing Auto Potion Maintenance Fly Obelisk Genji Shield Cross Helmet Carabini Mail Battle Boots
Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8 Life Song, Battle Song
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Drunken Dancer Female Sagittarius 70 50 Dancer Chivalry MP Restore Attack UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand
Twist Headband Santa Outfit Angel Ring
Wiznaibus, Polka Polka Iron Will, Grand Cross
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Patroni Paladin Male Gemini 55 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Short Charge Move-MP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Crystal Helmet Robe of Lords Dracula Mantle
Nurse, Reraise Raise 2, Protect 2, Shell 2, Esuna
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I'll fully admit that I actually laughed aloud at the whole coffin metaphor towards the end. Throwing it into the sea seems like such pollution to the enviroment and at the same time not enough overkill though. Shame.
Anyway, as for the actual match itself, I hadn't really paid much attention to how fast Leif1991's whole team actually is even though I'm pretty sure it was pointed out earlier too. Despite the severe speed disadvantage, Mallen actually did decently well, mostly due to his sheer power. He might have actually won at least the first round had his Dancer used another Grand Cross instead of Iron Will upon getting up from her Angel Ring. Her tendency to go for Iron Will upon revival instead of that and Mallen's Lancer's ineffectual Songs are ultimately what cost him though, at least as far as his own team goes. After all, it's not like Leif1991's team is a slouch when it comes to damage either.
Regardless, I'd say those are the only real flaws on his team, though the White Magic Paladin is still a bit...odd to me. As such, I'm sure Mallen will win at least one match in Losers.
(Zotis) Team: Good Morning Althea Palettes: Blue/Yellow
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Galory Female Aquarius 55 70 Paladin Talk Skill Absorb MP Defense UP Move-HP Up Ice Brand Aegis Shield Cross Helmet Black Robe Dracula Mantle
Yeah...Barren's pre-match verbatim commentary was pretty accurate: Zotis's team basically did just die to getting rushed down. So there's not really anything to say here, even for me. So (for once) I won't...save for admitting I'm disappointed that Frog missed, even if I doubt it would have changed anything, especially with Barren's Priest still up.
(Shadowstrike) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/Red
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G Male Leo 70 48 Monk Snipe Damage Split Martial Arts Move+1 FS Bag
Rather a shame to see RedWorld go, but I figured it was over as soon as I saw that her (?) Oracle Chelle got OHKO'd by Priest T's Short Charge Holys. That Chelle kept trying to go for slower Petrifys anyway didn't help at all--even if she had hit, the Monk or Thief would have just undone it. Getting outsped and outdamaged was basically the name of the game here, though the Dancer was less influential than I expected. Rosario the Mediator getting mostly unlucky didn't help RedWorld either, especially when his weirdly high Brave meant he took the most damage of everyone on RedWorld's team for basically no reason; it's not like bags are ever killing units outside of Critical in most instances and Talk Skill eschews Brave and Faith.
Not much else to say except that I'm surprised the A.I. didn't go for any frivolous Breaks since it often does that even when it can probably outright kill. It's also nice to see someone use Tactician's Blade, especially on a unit that isn't a Teleport Draw Out-bot Geomancer.
(CT5Holy) Team: Pray Faith Palettes: Green/White
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Haku Male Aries 70 40 Ninja Talk Skill Counter Attack UP Move-HP Up Short Edge Hidden Knife Twist Headband Black Costume Cursed Ring
Kagesougi Blackmail, Mimic Daravon
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Hatsu Male Aries 40 70 Archer Draw Out Damage Split Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Blaze Gun Kaiser Plate Thief Hat Santa Outfit Setiemson
Arm Aim, Seal Evil Masamune
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Chun Male Aries 70 45 Monk Steal Speed Save Martial Arts Warpath H Bag
This was a rather disappointing match, to be honest, if only because of how interesting the first round of it was. So that of course was spoiled by the Otabo's Monk supremeely shooting him in the foot thereafter; she basically blew his foot clean off really. I mean, damn, I thought Master Whisky was being extraordinally stupid with Insult on a Ninja, but Otabo's Monk did it thrice, so I feel slightly better now; it's probably because Insult is the only distance technique she has, which means that Master Whisky actually still has less of an excuse.... On top of that, she was basically ineffectual even when she wasn't being self-sabotaging what with the bag whacks and weak Chakras and zero attempts at Secret Fist. Oh well, depending on who he goes against in Losers, she might not weight him down nearly as much as she did here, especially since Berserk can have its place as a debuff obviously. It's just that said place is not against units with close-range attacks that are guaranteed to hit, especially if they have high Speed or Move or both--like Ninja--and especially on a team where all your units are (physically) squishy.
That said, going back to the first round, I'd quite readily argue that was the best round of the tournament thus far, especially since Seal Evil actually came in handy for once and from a Charmed unit at that. So Otabo at least gets a temporary sort of consolation prize I guess.
P.S. It's a bit darkly amusing that the one time his Priest finally decides to use Balance, Balance misses despite relatively high odds. This especially given it was actually a pretty damn good a tactical move on her part since it would have killed the Ninja; the A.I. usually heals itself in Critical even when it can use Balance to kill or at least send units to Critical. So, of course, one of the few times it foregoes healing....
(Dokurider) Team: Luck of the Irish Palettes: Green/Black
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Fand Female Serpentarius 45 70 Time Mage White Magic Finger Guard Short Charge Move-MP Up H Bag
Not much to say here either given I think this was the quickest match in the tournament thus far and it's just more evidence that Tornado is currently at least a tad too strong for how quick and widespread it is. Quake is obviously in mostly the same boat, except there at least Float can protect you without necessarily having to use an item space to absorb or null the offending element; still, all of the null or absorb Wind items are pretty good, so....
I'd also argue that it's arguably evidence that Dougola Pass might either need the starting coordinates changed or just need to be outright banned. That narrow corridor at the bottom where everyone now starts just gets utterly abused by any AoE, so it's absolutely no surprise that Dokurider won that the first round so swiftly despite the fact reinoe was using a Spellgun/Magic Gun. A large map didn't exactly save him from Tornado either though, especially since Cure 4's slow speed actually worked out for Dokurider, even with Short Charge.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 25, 2014, 03:20:14 am
(I loathe doubling posting, but I have "no" choice.)
Thanks for getting the matches out of the way quickly, TrueLight. It was nice to have my ass kicked to Guilty Gear's older OST at least, though I must admit my surprised to not hear anything from Xrd; that's probably just because I listened to it rather recently.
Anyway, as my thanks, I did something that I had intended to do a while ago and did the list of Active Abilities for you. I decided to be detailed about it given that I wasn't doing anything more productive anyway, so I listed everyone's names that used the ability in addition to the number of course. The first set of parentheses indicates the person used the ability as part of a unit's Primary and the second set of parentheses indicates the person used the ability as part of a unit's Secondary. I didn't bother making another set of parentheses for the few people who had duplicate skills sets on a team, like silentkaster having two Archers, though I was tempted to. (Eternal's name is in brackets twice under Basic Skill because those are skills his Squire was "supposed" to have, but that Barren never got around to fixing apparently, at least on the first page list.)
Needless to say, this took a while and Item was especially fucking annoying, excuse my (constant) profanity. (Numbered EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the numbers on some of these, especially since I apparently left the numbers off a few of them entirely.)
SING/SONG Angel Song = 2 (N/A) (Asakawa, The Damned)
Life Song = 2 (N/A) (Mallen, The Damned)
Cheer Song = 2 (TristanBeoulve) (Asakawa)
Battle Song = 4 (TristanBeoulve, Vireblaze) (Mallen, The Damned)
Magic Song = 1 (N/A) (Asakawa)
Nameless Song = 2 (TristanBeoulve) (Asakawa)
Last Song = 2 (N/A) (Asakawa, Celdia)
DANCE Witch Hunt = 1 (White Knight Wiegraf) (N/A)
Wiznaibus/With Knives = 1 (Mallen) (N/A)
Slow Dance = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Polka Polka = 1 (Mallen) (N/A)
Disillusion = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Nameless Dance = 1 (N/A) (silentkaster)
Last Dance = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Anyway, moving onto commentary, I did those too of course. Be warned that if you're destroying your eyes with these for some reason (Reks), then a lot of this set is me grousing about Cursed Ring being so overpowered. You've been warned:
(Eternal) Team: A Reverie Reborn Palettes: Blue/Red
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Marche Male Serpentarius 70 40 Squire Steal Dragon Spirit Two Swords Warpath Gold Staff Moonlight Thief Hat Black Costume Rubber Shoes
[Bullrush, Throw Stone] Quickening
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Montblanc Male Serpentarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic Damage Split Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Wizard Rod
Holy Miter Black Robe Chantage
Fire, Bolt, Ice, Water, Poison Sinkhole
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Shara Female Serpentarius 70 40 Archer Item Speed Save Concentrate Teleport Ultimus Bow
Twist Headband Power Sleeve Diamond Armlet
Cover Fire X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Ritz Female Serpentarius 40 70 Priest Lore Auto Potion Equip Light Blade Move-MP Up Shieldrender
Golden Hairpin White Robe Defense Ring
Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna Bio, Bio 2, Bio 3
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vs.
(Fenire) Team: A Knight at the Movies Palettes: Black/White
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The Untouchable Male Sagittarius 70 40 Squire Item Abandon Throw Item Warpath Shieldrender Escutcheon II Twist Headband Power Sleeve Wizard Mantle
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
Bleh. Cursed Ring. I honestly completely forgot that Fenire's had it the first round given that Regen covered it up. I'm just so sick of seeing that thing, especially since I'm at least partly if not primarily to blame for getting it buffed to this point in the first place after how much it sucked originally. Sigh.
It totally looked like Eternal was going to win the first match too until the Undead Archer popped back up, even though Eternal got quite unlucky with Dragon Spirit in that round; the one time it did go off was in the second round where it didn't help at all.
Oh well. Eternal's team put up a valiant effort, especially for how "bizarre" it was. I see that Marche got fixed to at least have Bullrush and Throw Stone so he would use Quickening given that stupid ability is most of what he was using this match. Still, at least that got fixed before his elmination. So thanks for that too TrueLight.
...Why do Cover Fire and Ninjutsu trigger Faith Up? I guess that thing really does still tend to erroneously trigger off anything with that uses MP like it did in vanilla. I had forgotten that particular "error" though. Similarly I'm not used to seeing any of the Ninjutsu get Counter Magic'd, partly because Counter Magic is so rare and partly because people just tend to (ab)use Kagesougi when it comes Ninjutsu and nothing else.
I am, unfortunately, quite used to Consecration sucking for how expensive it is though. The second round at least had a pretty showy instance of it with the Paladin flying all the way to the top of the arch just to use it. There was still no substance to that flash, of course, given he missed, but it's the thought that counts I suppose.
Anyway, the first round could basically be summed up as whitebox being unable to sandbag in the face of gunfire, getting relatively unlucky with the damage on Cover Fire and getting distracted by the Undead Monk too much. The second round is kind of the same thing, except that whitebox didn't get as unlucky with anything save for still not being able to avoid Secret Fist. Well that and the Priest leading off with Protect 2, which is extremely effective against whitebox's team, over Shell 2. Given she used Protect 2 first twice, I have to think that the A.I. maybe really does go in list order, meaning that the Protects take slight priority over the Shells if you have both skills unless some MA-based attack is charging.
Regardless, Cursed Ring yet again rears its ugly head, though in a far more passive way than in the match just before this. This makes me rather glad at least Phoenix Blade is dying since it effectively does the same obnoxious thing.
(Reks) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Luke Male Taurus 70 40 Squire Steal Abandon Defense UP Move-HP Up Hunting Bow Escutcheon II Green Beret Santa Outfit Feather Mantle
Fortunately Dragonblade's team can deal with the Undead quite handily in theory and I was rooting for him anyway. Unfortunately, he is going against Reks, who I also rather would not see eliminated this early, and is using a Cursed Ring himself because you can't really fight it without using it, just like Quickening unfortunately.
Getting on to the actual match, I'm surprised that the Dancer got hit with Seal Evil and didn't get immediately healed in the first round. Then again, the only person on Reks's team who can deal with Petrify status is the Priest, who basically got hit by Sleep shortly after. I'm unsure why she felt the need to go for a non-lethal Cure 4 on the Undead Archer, however, instead of an Esuna on her own Dancer in the first place, even with if it did send the Archer into Critical.
Equally weird to see the Sleep spell actually be key to victory in the first round since A.I. usually screws it up even when it does hit and Mimic Daravon tends to outclass it as such. Still, it put the Priest and the Samurai to sleep in one go and the Samurai is easily the most damaging units on Reks's team. After that, the Squire, for all this dodging, couldn't really do a damn thing in the first round.
The Squire was similarly ineffective in the second round even though Reks's team won that due to the Samurai and the Priest staying up. The Squire got hit by a 36% Zombie and then got hit by an about 65% Raise 2 shortly there after. Poor guy. It's even more humorous given that shortly after that, the Dancer causally dodges the Consecration thrown at her even though it came at 87%. I swear, Consecration is like one of those useless wedding-related--but I repeat myself--items: far too expensive for the singular, non-guaranteed use it purports to wastefully serve.
The third round, though, had Squire arguably make the difference just because Charm can be so strong at times. Not that Reks's team wasn't dominating the round before that given the Dancer finally got some extremely high-damaging Jumps off. It also helped Reks immensely that Dragonblade's team had little choice but to waltz into the Samurai's overpowered AoE due to the funnel that map has on the bridge and how the A.I. (blindly) functions. Hell, Reks won the third round so quickly that the Undead Archer didn't even have a chance to get back up.
I'll admit that I'm slightly surprised to see Reks win since I thought Dragonblade was slightly favored just due to all the anti-Undead stuff he has. Mind you, I'm glad to see Reks win. I just find it both slightly amusing and exasperated that both of the teams that Dragonblade lost had Undead units on them. It's unfortunate to see one of the more varied teams go, especially so early in the tournament.
(Vigilanti) Team: Harem Palettes: White/Red
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Aki Male Capricorn 70 55 Paladin Jump Dragon Spirit Maintenance Move-HP Up Defender
Barbuta Carabini Mail Leather Mantle
Nurse, Transfusion, Iron Will Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Aoi Female Taurus 40 55 Geomancer Draw Out Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move+1 Rune Blade Escutcheon II Holy Miter Earth Clothes Magic Gauntlet
Local Quake Bizen Boat, Murasame, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden
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Asuna Female Taurus 40 55 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Teleport Main Gauche
Honestly, I'm surprised that I held out for so long, especially given how horrible most of my healing actually is. It was pretty obvious that Vigilanti was going to beat me, but I certainly didn't it expect it to be this close. I was helped out a lot by Death Sentence not being formally canceled by Reraise and vice versa and his A.I. being dumb about some things. I was helped quite a bit by the Geomancer getting Slept so early on in the first round since she's the most dangerous unit on his team.
I might have even actually won given how long I held out if my team could do any damn damage. Not sure why I keep making teams that rely so heavily on luck when my luck is so notoriously bad; I think I have complexity addiction like some bad Saturday morning cartoon villain. The same goes for making too many teams with Sing on them just because I can, as tempting as it is; hell, all of the new teams I just made had Sing them without consciously realizing it--gonna change that within the next few hours.
I've also certainly had more humilating defeats to less well-made teams to music that wasn't (mostly) from Guilty Gear. So I'm fine with this loss, especially since Vigilanti's team isn't using bog standard stuff and he's the only person using Defender or Ultima, both of which worked out quite well for him. This even if my own Insult and Holy worked out for the Paladin and the Squire better overall.
Speaking of Monks being stupid with Insult yet again, we both got surprisingly lucky with Talk Skill. Pretty much every instance of Talk Skill hit except for the opening Mimic Daravon in the second round, which probably would have only delayed the inevitable.
Oh well. As crappy as my team is, it at least got to show how powerful Sleep can be in its Losers matches. I still wonder what the best way to fix this team would be. Hmmm....
Regardless, well met, Vigilanti. Thank you for ending me. Shame it couldn't have been before I beat Asakawa, but I suppose it's nice to not have the team be a complete failure, even if I still feel a bit guilty about lucking out so hard against her.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 25, 2014, 07:36:39 am
I pm'd zotis on when he can get the next matches up and I haven't heard from him this weekend so if he can't get them up in time or he is inactive then I'll finish the othet loser bracket matches for him. We do got to get it moving
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 25, 2014, 12:59:00 pm
Agreed, I think it would be nice to be on round 3 or 4 of the loser's bracket before we proceed with the winner's bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on August 25, 2014, 04:56:42 pm
Thanks for getting the matches out of the way quickly, TrueLight. It was nice to have my ass kicked to Guilty Gear's older OST at least, though I must admit my surprised to not hear anything from Xrd; that's probably just because I listened to it rather recently.
Anyway, as my thanks, I did something that I had intended to do a while ago and did the list of Active Abilities for you. I decided to be detailed about it given that I wasn't doing anything more productive anyway, so I listed everyone's names that used the ability in addition to the number of course. The first set of parentheses indicates the person used the ability as part of a unit's Primary and the second set of parentheses indicates the person used the ability as part of a unit's Secondary. I didn't bother making another set of parentheses for the few people who had duplicate skills sets on a team, like silentkaster having two Archers, though I was tempted to. (Eternal's name is in brackets twice under Basic Skill because those are skills his Squire was "supposed" to have, but that Barren never got around to fixing apparently, at least on the first page list.)
Needless to say, this took a while and Item was especially fucking annoying, excuse my (constant) profanity. (Numbered EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the numbers on some of these, especially since I apparently left the numbers off a few of them entirely.)
SING/SONG Angel Song = 2 (N/A) (Asakawa, The Damned)
Life Song = 2 (N/A) (Mallen, The Damned)
Cheer Song = 2 (TristanBeoulve) (Asakawa)
Battle Song = 4 (TristanBeoulve, Vireblaze) (Mallen, The Damned)
Magic Song = 1 (N/A) (Asakawa)
Nameless Song = 2 (TristanBeoulve) (Asakawa)
Last Song = 2 (N/A) (Asakawa, Celdia)
DANCE Witch Hunt = 1 (White Knight Wiegraf) (N/A)
Wiznaibus/With Knives = 1 (Mallen) (N/A)
Slow Dance = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Polka Polka = 1 (Mallen) (N/A)
Disillusion = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Nameless Dance = 1 (N/A) (silentkaster)
Last Dance = 0 (N/A) (N/A)
Anyway, moving onto commentary, I did those too of course. Be warned that if you're destroying your eyes with these for some reason (Reks), then a lot of this set is me grousing about Cursed Ring being so overpowered. You've been warned:
(Eternal) Team: A Reverie Reborn Palettes: Blue/Red
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Marche Male Serpentarius 70 40 Squire Steal Dragon Spirit Two Swords Warpath Gold Staff Moonlight Thief Hat Black Costume Rubber Shoes
[Bullrush, Throw Stone] Quickening
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Montblanc Male Serpentarius 40 70 Wizard Time Magic Damage Split Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Wizard Rod
Holy Miter Black Robe Chantage
Fire, Bolt, Ice, Water, Poison Sinkhole
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Shara Female Serpentarius 70 40 Archer Item Speed Save Concentrate Teleport Ultimus Bow
Twist Headband Power Sleeve Diamond Armlet
Cover Fire X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Antidote, Chrono's Tear, Echo Grass, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Holy Water, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Ritz Female Serpentarius 40 70 Priest Lore Auto Potion Equip Light Blade Move-MP Up Shieldrender
Golden Hairpin White Robe Defense Ring
Cure 3, Raise 2, Esuna Bio, Bio 2, Bio 3
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vs.
(Fenire) Team: A Knight at the Movies Palettes: Black/White
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The Untouchable Male Sagittarius 70 40 Squire Item Abandon Throw Item Warpath Shieldrender Escutcheon II Twist Headband Power Sleeve Wizard Mantle
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
Bleh. Cursed Ring. I honestly completely forgot that Fenire's had it the first round given that Regen covered it up. I'm just so sick of seeing that thing, especially since I'm at least partly if not primarily to blame for getting it buffed to this point in the first place after how much it sucked originally. Sigh.
It totally looked like Eternal was going to win the first match too until the Undead Archer popped back up, even though Eternal got quite unlucky with Dragon Spirit in that round; the one time it did go off was in the second round where it didn't help at all.
Oh well. Eternal's team put up a valiant effort, especially for how "bizarre" it was. I see that Marche got fixed to at least have Bullrush and Throw Stone so he would use Quickening given that stupid ability is most of what he was using this match. Still, at least that got fixed before his elmination. So thanks for that too TrueLight.
...Why do Cover Fire and Ninjutsu trigger Faith Up? I guess that thing really does still tend to erroneously trigger off anything with that uses MP like it did in vanilla. I had forgotten that particular "error" though. Similarly I'm not used to seeing any of the Ninjutsu get Counter Magic'd, partly because Counter Magic is so rare and partly because people just tend to (ab)use Kagesougi when it comes Ninjutsu and nothing else.
I am, unfortunately, quite used to Consecration sucking for how expensive it is though. The second round at least had a pretty showy instance of it with the Paladin flying all the way to the top of the arch just to use it. There was still no substance to that flash, of course, given he missed, but it's the thought that counts I suppose.
Anyway, the first round could basically be summed up as whitebox being unable to sandbag in the face of gunfire, getting relatively unlucky with the damage on Cover Fire and getting distracted by the Undead Monk too much. The second round is kind of the same thing, except that whitebox didn't get as unlucky with anything save for still not being able to avoid Secret Fist. Well that and the Priest leading off with Protect 2, which is extremely effective against whitebox's team, over Shell 2. Given she used Protect 2 first twice, I have to think that the A.I. maybe really does go in list order, meaning that the Protects take slight priority over the Shells if you have both skills unless some MA-based attack is charging.
Regardless, Cursed Ring yet again rears its ugly head, though in a far more passive way than in the match just before this. This makes me rather glad at least Phoenix Blade is dying since it effectively does the same obnoxious thing.
(Reks) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Luke Male Taurus 70 40 Squire Steal Abandon Defense UP Move-HP Up Hunting Bow Escutcheon II Green Beret Santa Outfit Feather Mantle
Fortunately Dragonblade's team can deal with the Undead quite handily in theory and I was rooting for him anyway. Unfortunately, he is going against Reks, who I also rather would not see eliminated this early, and is using a Cursed Ring himself because you can't really fight it without using it, just like Quickening unfortunately.
Getting on to the actual match, I'm surprised that the Dancer got hit with Seal Evil and didn't get immediately healed in the first round. Then again, the only person on Reks's team who can deal with Petrify status is the Priest, who basically got hit by Sleep shortly after. I'm unsure why she felt the need to go for a non-lethal Cure 4 on the Undead Archer, however, instead of an Esuna on her own Dancer in the first place, even with if it did send the Archer into Critical.
Equally weird to see the Sleep spell actually be key to victory in the first round since A.I. usually screws it up even when it does hit and Mimic Daravon tends to outclass it as such. Still, it put the Priest and the Samurai to sleep in one go and the Samurai is easily the most damaging units on Reks's team. After that, the Squire, for all this dodging, couldn't really do a damn thing in the first round.
The Squire was similarly ineffective in the second round even though Reks's team won that due to the Samurai and the Priest staying up. The Squire got hit by a 36% Zombie and then got hit by an about 65% Raise 2 shortly there after. Poor guy. It's even more humorous given that shortly after that, the Dancer causally dodges the Consecration thrown at her even though it came at 87%. I swear, Consecration is like one of those useless wedding-related--but I repeat myself--items: far too expensive for the singular, non-guaranteed use it purports to wastefully serve.
The third round, though, had Squire arguably make the difference just because Charm can be so strong at times. Not that Reks's team wasn't dominating the round before that given the Dancer finally got some extremely high-damaging Jumps off. It also helped Reks immensely that Dragonblade's team had little choice but to waltz into the Samurai's overpowered AoE due to the funnel that map has on the bridge and how the A.I. (blindly) functions. Hell, Reks won the third round so quickly that the Undead Archer didn't even have a chance to get back up.
I'll admit that I'm slightly surprised to see Reks win since I thought Dragonblade was slightly favored just due to all the anti-Undead stuff he has. Mind you, I'm glad to see Reks win. I just find it both slightly amusing and exasperated that both of the teams that Dragonblade lost had Undead units on them. It's unfortunate to see one of the more varied teams go, especially so early in the tournament.
(Vigilanti) Team: Harem Palettes: White/Red
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Aki Male Capricorn 70 55 Paladin Jump Dragon Spirit Maintenance Move-HP Up Defender
Barbuta Carabini Mail Leather Mantle
Nurse, Transfusion, Iron Will Level Jump6, Vertical Jump8
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Aoi Female Taurus 40 55 Geomancer Draw Out Counter Flood Magic Attack UP Move+1 Rune Blade Escutcheon II Holy Miter Earth Clothes Magic Gauntlet
Local Quake Bizen Boat, Murasame, Kikuichimonji, Masamune, Chirijiraden
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Asuna Female Taurus 40 55 Chemist Talk Skill Auto Potion Defense UP Teleport Main Gauche
Honestly, I'm surprised that I held out for so long, especially given how horrible most of my healing actually is. It was pretty obvious that Vigilanti was going to beat me, but I certainly didn't it expect it to be this close. I was helped out a lot by Death Sentence not being formally canceled by Reraise and vice versa and his A.I. being dumb about some things. I was helped quite a bit by the Geomancer getting Slept so early on in the first round since she's the most dangerous unit on his team.
I might have even actually won given how long I held out if my team could do any damn damage. Not sure why I keep making teams that rely so heavily on luck when my luck is so notoriously bad; I think I have complexity addiction like some bad Saturday morning cartoon villain. The same goes for making too many teams with Sing on them just because I can, as tempting as it is; hell, all of the new teams I just made had Sing them without consciously realizing it--gonna change that within the next few hours.
I've also certainly had more humilating defeats to less well-made teams to music that wasn't (mostly) from Guilty Gear. So I'm fine with this loss, especially since Vigilanti's team isn't using bog standard stuff and he's the only person using Defender or Ultima, both of which worked out quite well for him. This even if my own Insult and Holy worked out for the Paladin and the Squire better overall.
Speaking of Monks being stupid with Insult yet again, we both got surprisingly lucky with Talk Skill. Pretty much every instance of Talk Skill hit except for the opening Mimic Daravon in the second round, which probably would have only delayed the inevitable.
Oh well. As crappy as my team is, it at least got to show how powerful Sleep can be in its Losers matches. I still wonder what the best way to fix this team would be. Hmmm....
Regardless, well met, Vigilanti. Thank you for ending me. Shame it couldn't have been before I beat Asakawa, but I suppose it's nice to not have the team be a complete failure, even if I still feel a bit guilty about lucking out so hard against her.
I read a lot of books and TV Tropes, so reading longer posts and descriptions is nothing to me :P
Plus, you ARE the one who takes the most time and thought to write these. I love reading them and appreciate you for that.
EDIT: After reading through the abilities list, I'm rather surprised that Wizard skills were next to unused.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 26, 2014, 03:35:03 am
(Yeah, catching up on Zotis's videos for him seems like a necessary evil. It's possible he lost Internet for a bit like what happened for a bit when we did Season 2, though I got my videos in, so....)
I'm not really surprised that Black Magic is so unused: Death and Flare kinda suck currently and the level 2--technically 3--series of spells are rather too slow compared to the damage they do that the level 1 and Nether spells--technically level 2--can near match anyway more quickly. On top of that, Wizards are still squishy as hell and I'm sure I wasn't the only person thinking that there would be even more instances of Spellguns (and Cursed Ring) than there actually are. The only thing about Wizards that surprise me with regard to the tournament is that there are more of them than Scholars despite the fact that Scholars still have Wizard+ stats and equipment.
As for what surprises me about the abilities used, there are four things provided I didn't (horribly) miscount:
1. No one at least is using Focus, which is the only ability I find it weird that's at 0. 2. There's less Grand Cross than I was expecting. 3. There's far less Hawk's Eye than I was expecting. 4. No one is using Elemental as a Secondary.
I suppose it's also weird to see that if I had gone with the Bollywood team, then I'd literally be the only person using Slow Dance in this tournament despite the fact that it's easily the Dance ability that got the greatest boost from the current format. After all, the thing that troubles it most is the even more overpowered Quickening, but Quickening is only limited to one unit now rather than two, so....
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 26, 2014, 03:31:24 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 19 - Fenire vs silentkaster (http://youtu.be/20K2ybVwt-g)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 26, 2014, 05:14:45 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Seaosn 3 Loser's Bracket Match 3 - DARKANGELUXZ vs DomieV (http://youtu.be/nhD121nE2Rw)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Seaosn 3 Loser's Bracket Match 4 - TristanBeoulve vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/JScQxKp_Xrc)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fenire on August 27, 2014, 12:17:05 am
That was an intense match. It all came down to poison on your white mage in round one with bad luck on the monk's attempts to revive. Projectile guard won me round two. Your blaze gun archer had me really worried. GG silentkaster.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 27, 2014, 03:27:12 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 20 - Reks vs Vigilanti (http://youtu.be/SMtEnSgHN_Y)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on August 27, 2014, 07:18:06 pm
I don't feel that I would have won this as apparently as I had, had your units not continually lined up for all of that AoE
Dancer proves her derpiness and awkward speed messes up her jumping, but that's not a complete deal breaker. Still, you had me VERY nervous here.
GG, Vigilanti! I hate to see you go
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: silentkaster on August 27, 2014, 08:15:38 pm
GG Fenire and GL...I loved Round one...didn't know who was taking it til the very end. Round two was a bit more decisive, though still a decent match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 28, 2014, 02:45:14 pm
(Thanks for doing extra work yet again, Barren, especially so quickly.)
You too, TrueLight, though I must admit the new text intros is going to take some getting used to despite doing some textual commentary in videos myself. For the record, though, you've accidentally called "compat." "compact" twice, probably because your mind is auto-correcting the abbreviation into an actual word.
(Fenire) Team: A Knight at the Movies Palettes: Black/White
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The Untouchable Male Sagittarius 70 40 Squire Item Abandon Throw Item Warpath Shieldrender Escutcheon II Twist Headband Power Sleeve Wizard Mantle
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
I'll be honest: This match was rather...annoying after having just kvetched about Cursed Ring given that it was a Cursed Ring against Cursed Ring match for the second time in Losers already--since Reks vs. Dragonblade happened before this--and it seemed rather inevitable that Fenire would win. I say this not because silentkaster's team is outright bad or anything like that. No, I say it because his team is extremely single-minded and the only really threatening unit on his team is the Spellgunner, with everyone else being there literally just to support said Blaze Gunner. The other Archer picks people off who are either in Critical or revived by non-magical means when he's not channeling Hakan and trying to Oil people up with Hawk's Eye. The Undead Monk is meant to do Nameless Dance and can do very little else, especially against people immune to Death Sentence or with Reraise. The Priest is meant to support through healing, spell disruption and statuses that are mostly buffs, but she has a bit too many statuses overall and can't do jack about being poisoned, as we saw.
As such, it's unsurprising that silentkaster's team ends up running into a (demon) wall when he fights anyone whose main threat or threats can't be OHKO'd or even hit with regularity by Blaze Gun. Given that both Fenire's Summoner and own Archer fall into those two categories with White Robe and Projectile Guard respectively...yeah. For as dragged out as this was by constant reviving (via Cursed Ring), this fight was actually pretty one-sided in my opinion and the first round only really lasted as long as it did because the Summoner kept getting hit by last-minute statuses that kept her from sweeping silentkaster off the board.
Granted, silentkaster got bitten by bad luck in the first match as well with his Priest getting stuck in an irksome fatal Poison loop for way too long; yet more proof that current Poison screws over mages more than Berserk, Malroth. There was also a weird instance of his support Archer choosing to Hawk's Eye his other Archer in the back towards the end of first round for seemingly no reason, even if it did end up triggering Faith Up for a paltry 36 damage. That said support Archer did this instead of moving and using it on the Summoner was even more odd since then the other Archer would have been able to OHKO her (finally). I have no idea why the hell he did, really, even as much as we're supposed to know the A.I. to be it. It seemingly defies even the usual A.I. stupidity like what happened in second round with Hawk's Eye.
Speaking of which, similarly I have no idea why the same unit would cancel his own Hawk's Eye in the second round of this match by selecting it and then immediately moving. This especially when the A.I. has been surprisingly good about not doing that even if Hawk's Eye doesn't temporarily use up your move like how Charge did out of preventative necessity.
Speaking of the second round, that mercifully went much quicker, partly just due to how unlucky silentkaster got, what with being unable to hit Fenire's Archer at all and silentkaster's units doing a bunch of ill-advised things as a whole. I don't really like the cemetary map, though, at least with current starting coordinates since it seems like rounds there always end up one-sided due to how teams get so easily split up, especially for the person who starts nearer the graves. That was rather the case here too even before bad luck since it enabled Fenire's Summoner and Archer to pick silentkaster's team off even more easily as his Summoner didn't really get touched this round. Fenire's other two units even helped a bit, though First Knight's Cure 4s were even more pitiful on offense than defense. At least her Battle Axe didn't get destroyed this time unlike round one where it got sniped off the bat--not that the axe changed much either way.
Given the possible tone of all this, it would perhaps seem that I'm "glad" that silentkaster lost, but I'm not, really. As much as I dislike the current state of Spellguns and of Cursed Ring (and of Quickening and of...most things in existence), those aren't his fault and it was nice to see someone finally use Faith Up, especially so intelligently. It was/is also nice to see some of the newer people doing well, especially in a tournament. Given both Fenire and silentkaster are "new" (to me), I suppose however the match went down, one of the newer people would have been eliminated anyway though.
Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break, Armor Break, Weapon Break Quickening, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry
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Serena Female Gemini 40 70 Time Mage White Magic Damage Split Short Charge Move-MP Up Rainbow Staff
Black Hood Robe of Lords Cursed Ring
Haste 2, Slow 2, Sinkhole, Balance Raise 2, Esuna
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Unlike the above, I wasn't really surprised that this match took a while even with the severe flaws of DARKANGELUXZ's team. Even with an all-female team with some...questionable equipment and other decisions, all of them save for the Summoner have pretty high health and all of them including the Summoner can heal themselves and others. So, yeah, when combined with the fact that DomieV's team lacks any damaging AoE save for Southern Cross, which of course did a good deal of work in the first round, it's not surprising this took a while. Counter Magic proving actually useful for once by "reflecting" Slow 2 also dragged things out.
That said, outside of the fact that A.I. is still doing those weird Balances for 0 damage--why?!--in instances where it isn't breaking Charm, I like what I saw from DomieV's team. It was nice to see the high Faith on a non-Spellgun Archer pay off for once--at least twice, actually--since the proc'd Holy of Silver Bow usually does paltry damage much like with Ice Brand and its Ice 2. Here it did 141 damage, which was almost as damaging as the arrow itself.
The first round was also the far more entertaining round given the Summoner got both her Golden Hairpin and Wizard Outfit broken, leaving her at a pitiful 96 HP when she was already getting OHKO'd by Southern Cross just after her Hairpin broke. That 16 damage Jump after the Lancer's spear got broken was also darkly amusing. Geez. I can't remember ever seeing such a steep damage drop after a weapon got destroyed; even with her contrary set-up, she still did a respectable 121 damage with the Spear, so the fact that it dropped by 105 is rather...severe. DomieV had the round one in such command that I don't think the Time Mage even got damaged at all during it. Of course, damaging her just led to her slinging around Balances in round two from what I remember, so it was kind of a lose-lose situation there for DARK.
DARK's team did slightly better in the second round in general, but his team has, among other problems, the same issue as mine did in that it can't really do any damage. It shouldn't given he at least has attack magic and AoE, but given how many people absorb Holy just due to Magic Ring, how the Summoner only has Holy element magic and his easily his Samurai gets stuck in loops...yeah. Granted, those Holys hurt when did hit, OHKOing the Silver Bow Archer, but between their cost and the A.I.'s tendency to Holy itself to health when it really shouldn't, I'm not sure how worth it they were when she also had Short Charge Cyclops.
Oh well. I've thought about how to improve DARK's team since no one has really talked about that, but I'll go over that in a separate post below this.
So, ignoring the obvious presumptuousness of this between both suggesting any advice at all and taking your team names out of Caps Lock, I'll just say that I'm doing this partly out of the usual boredom but mostly out a sincere attempt to be "helpful"; also, I'm not using CAPS Lock since, among other things, it geniunely gives me a bit of a literal headache if there's a bunch of it. Regardless. it doesn't exactly help anyone to be told that they're wrong without being told how to improve or at least being told in actual detail what they're doing wrong.
As such, I'll just go through this unit by unit. I'll try to improve units while keeping them as they are, at least as far as Primary and Secondary skill sets go. For the sake of this exercise, I'll assume that we're under the usual 3000 cap, though at the same time I'll note what other abilities could be used if there was another tournament like this. Similarly, I'll be keeping all active abilities, RSMs and equipment used to one-ofs instead of the usual two-of.
Removed abilities are in parentheses, while ones suggested to be added are either pointed to by arrows if non-active or put in brackets if active:
Dark Knight: She's obviously meant to be the physical attacking unit of the team between Punch Art, Blood Sword, Martial Arts and Counter. This means that, unfortunately, she'd likely be better off as a male since female Paladins & other physical units are only really better than at Steal Heart and having access to Dance. The MP and MA boosts they get are so negligible that they're not really better at magic, as seen with the older versions of DomieV's previously all-male Famous Knights team. Still, I'll leave her and the others as female since that's obviously what you wanted.
Now, despite her initial issues, she's easily the least flawed unit on the initial team and she has a bunch of JP to work still even if we're going with the 3000 cap. First of all, she doesn't really need anything higher than 40 Faith, partly due to the revival that I'm going to use for Dark Summoner being Raise, which can get past 40 Faith easily with good compatibility and high MA. I'm fairly certain that even with 40 Faith, the Summoner can still resurrect her with Raise 100% of the time (provided her equipment doesn't get destroyed again).
So, with that done, we move on to her RSMs and equipment. Her RSMs are mostly fine and I can understand why Teleport is there, but I think she'd be better off with Warpath given she's trying to get as much mileage out of Blood Sword as possible. While Teleport lets her get behind or to the side of people more easily, it also still doesn't guarantee she'll hit them even from behind and Paladins can't get (easily) get enough movement to make Teleport all that useful. Since we're foregoing Tactician's Blade, Equip Light Blade for Knives and any form of shoes as equipment, Teleport gets the boot. (Har har.)
Getting to equipment, Blood Sword obviously stays, but everything else changes. Given Barren mentioned it at least twice, there really is no reason to have three pieces of equipment that happen to block Dead. I don't think you were actually trying to do that intentionally, but that's what happened and it just ended up wasting space. Chameleon Robe especially isn't something you want on her given even if you let the Summoner keep Holy, you really don't want her to waste time, turns and MP trying to heal with Holy instead of the much quicker, AoE-hitting Moogle. Given Chamleon Robe serves no real purpose for her otherwise...
Similarly, I'm guessing that Genji Shield was there both for the +1 PA and for the minimal M-EV to not get in the way of potential Holys. Since that's no longer the case and it's best to try to take advantage of Nurse's Defending status, I figure it would likely be "best" to go kill two birds with one stone and just use Diamond Shield since that Nulls Holy (and Earth) and has higher evasion all around. It's not like a single point of anything really amounts to much unless its Speed or maybe Move, so the loss of +1 PA is insignificant, especially in the face of Warpath.
Angel Ring and Crystal Helmet are fine, but Paladins both have easy access to Blind-immunity via Diamond Armor and anti-Death Sentence measures via Reraise (the skill). As such, they're both superfluous when you can use Wizard Mantle for Don't Act-immunity instead, especially when it benefits from Nurse and when you already get Berserk-immunity from Diamond Armor--otherwise I'd be suggesting Dracula Mantle. I was initially tempted to say that her helmet "should" be Diamond Helmet just to complete the Diamond "set", but then I ended up letting your Samurai keep Heaven's Cloud (the ability) and realized Initial: Float is a bit redundant to Null: Earth, even with the Initial: Reraise. So Platina/Platinum Helm(et) it is, if only really for the Slow-immunity--feel free to go back to Diamond Helmet.
As for active abilities, she's mostly fine there. Earth Slash is kind of pointless even with the AoE and Range. She never used it anyway, so it goes, especially since she gains enough JP back to get Reraise after buying the "necessary" abilities of Consecration, Iron Will and Repeating Fist. Consecration, as much as it sucks for its expense, is largely necessary mostly due to the unfortunate amount of Cursed Ring users around and Blood Sword being unable to touch them. It's part of why Diamond Armor seems important so as not to get Berserked since you'd just end up healing those asses while killing yourself.
Even without the 3000 cap, the only thing I'd maybe change is giving her Spin Fist or Wave Fist. No real need for her to Earth Slash back and getting Transfusion is out when she already has competing healing modes by way of the "necessary" evil of having both Nurse and Chakra. Similarly, both Cross skills is right out because of how relatively weak the WP of Blood Sword is and how you have no PA boosts anymore, not that a mere +1 PA would have helped much.
Dark Lancer: I'll try to keep this shorter than the above, even though there's a lot more wrong with every unit after Dark Knight. Still, paradoxically, due to having more wrong with them, their flaws are more easily summed up. For this unit, the chief problem is this: you're trying to make an attack unit out of a unit that should just be a speedy Item-bot despite the fact that it only has 40 Brave and no equipment that boosts PA.
That's...problematic. As such, I'm ditching everything save for Platina Shield equipment-wise despite the Platinum set theme and even there I'm tempted to go with Zephyr Shield; I probably would if I wasn't letting the Samurai keep Heaven's Cloud. Instead of the Platinum armors, Dark Lancer is now gilded in Gold so she's immune to Frog, Sleep, Don't Move, Dead, Petrify and, though it doesn't matter, Silence since she's the main status-healer as Item-bot. She also now has a Dracula Mantle instead of an Elf Mantle because she's Dark like that so as to protect against the evils of Berserk. Finally, she gets a Javelin for +2 Speed because she's don't care much for actually attacking.
Aside from that, like Dark Knight, she doesn't need more than 40 Faith, even if it undermines Moogle, since she can heal herself if need be. She should also probably be Scorpio like the Samurai so as to not give Muramasa potential damage bonus since I can't remember if Murasame cares about compatibility; like Transfusion, I don't think it does. Meanwhile, under the 3000 JP Cap, her Jump ranges have to be scaled back some and she has go to with Ether over Hi-Ether, but that's fine; arguably she benefits a bit from being forced to have a Jump range that isn't longer than her Throw Item range anyway.
If there was no JP cap as is the case with this tournament, then obviously Jumps and Hi-Ether can stay. I'd also say that having Hi-Potion in addition to X-Potion would be beneficial given I think it heals everyone but the Summoner more than X-Potion. Finally, while her RSMs are mostly fine, unfortunately Ignore Height is still currently inferior to Teleport and Fly as it was in vanilla unless you're really paranoid about fall damage from random push-back. As such, replacing it with one of those would likely be for the best--I'd personally go with Teleport given Dark Knight is no longer using it. That said, since I'm giving Dark Samurai Teleport presently, Dark Lancer would have to settle for Fly.
Dark Summoner: The chief problem with this unit is even simpler: you made her mono-elementally focused, which negates pretty all of the power she has when faces the many, many units that absorb or nullify said element--in this case, it's Holy. She also weirdly has neutral compatibility with the rest of her team for some reason despite being the main reviver & thus being the main reason two units who eschew Faith have more than 40...and yet she's not Serpentarius. On top of that, she has too much Brave--she should have 40--despite having no reason to physically attack save a death wish, has HP Restore with extremely low HP, has Wizard Outfit over a superior Robe and has Holy with Magic Ring. Granted, the last thing wouldn't be a flaw if it wasn't for the fact that the A.I. unfortunately uses Holy to heal itself if it has Magic Ring on when it really shouldn't; not this is your fault or that you had much of a way of knowing this. (Despite the fact that Holy needs at least a slight nerf, I'd be fine with slightly buffing it in the form of making it no longer able to self-target.)
Anyway, those things are easily fixed fortunately. Her Zodiac becomes Cancer instead of Libra. Her Brave--well, Fury--goes to 40. Her reaction becomes Projectile Guard due to all of the Spellguns running around. Her Wizard Outfit becomes a Wizard Robe, which means she loses a mere 15 HP to gain 40 MP while retaining +2 MA still. Her Summons extend to include at least Ifrit and Odin while under the 3000 cap, even though it means she has to lose Holy, which is frankly better than losing Magic Ring in my opinion, at least presently. (Wizard Staff gets changed to Wizard Rod because it's functionally the exact same anyway, which why I'm still campaigning for Wizard Staff to die/change to something else completely, Priests & Time Mages who want to forego C Bags be damned.)
Sure, White Magic thus becomes a bit of a waste as he r Secondary, but Raise is still the most accurate magical revival, so that's something. Even without the JP cap, the only other things I think you could want would be Esuna and maybe Wall as far as White Magic goes. As for Summon Magic, though, buying basically all of the spells there would probably be for the best there, hence why part of why Summon Magic eclipsed Black Magic and Lore this tournament.
Dark Samurai: The chief problem with this unit isn't as bad as it is with the Lancer or the Summoner, but there are still problems: you're trying to split the difference between having a support unit and a unit that can attack well and only attack well, but attack on both sides. Thus you're not really achiveing much of anything due to lack of focus. There is literally no reason she should have Attack Up if she's not a male Samurai or lacks a physical secondary, especially given she (also) has no PA-boosting gear and is already dipping into Black Magic for Counter Magic, which has Magic Attack Up. Given Magic Attack Up would be much more helpful to both Draw Out and Time Magic....
She similarly neither needs nor wants 60 Brave when 40 will do, especially now with more damaging Draw Outs via Magic Attack Up. She should be sticking with debuffs for support Time Magic if she has Time Magic at all, especially since Slow 2 helps this particular team way more than Haste 2 does, particularly the Summoner. Slow 2 also usually makes much more impact on a single unit than Haste 2 does, especially on a team where one or more of your allies might be Jumping out of the way of Haste 2. Finally, she's also vulnerable to Silence in her initial set-up, though that's not horrible since she has Draw Out to fall back on.
Regardless, she loses Move-HP Up for Teleport mainly because it costs way too much JP under the 3000 JP cap for relatively little benefit on this type of unit. Admittedly, I don't think I'd give Move-HP Up back to her even without the cap despite Samurai having the same movement "issue" I brought up under Paladin with regards to Paladin. Samurai at least has the benefit of larger AoE that isn't driven by Brave/Fury on top of that. As a consequence of that Movement change, she has no more reason to use Grand Helm(et) or Maximillian, especially as weak as they are presently. So instead she gets Mythril Helmet to primarily to prevent Slow as well as Robe of Lords for a lot more MP--Slow 2 is expensive--and to prevent Silence.
Speaking of MP-drain, her initial set-up had her using the dubious Counter Magic with only about 96 MP, even though Counter Magic drains your MP to, well, counter magic. Between that, the fact that Counter Magic often backfires and the fact that Counter Magic is currently too expensive for how often it backfires, she loses it for Chrono Trigger. Granted, Chrono Trigger is also currently overpriced, but at least it has compatibility with being immune to Slow, being a Slow-causing unit and helps deal with the "lack" of Masamune (the ability).
Chirijiraden (the katana) and Chantage are fine, though she doesn't really have the JP to get Kikuichimoji alongside Chijiraden (the katana) unfortunately and Chantage could maybe be something else, like Setiemson. Shrug. She gets Sinkhole since she's mostly support and since the Demi spells are largely redundant to Draw Out, especially on a team where no one absorbs Dark element for all the DARK in their names; even if they did, Kotetsu would still be be preferred given its instant activation, wider AoE and the drop in the Paladin and Lancer's Faiths.
Without the 3000 JP, I'd only probably give her Kikuichimo(n)ji and Comet as additional abilities. She could maybe get Asura, Bizen Boat and Kiyomori, but that seems like that would be pushing it. No Masamune because, again, if there's only one Haste-adding support unit on a team, it usually wastes too much of its time to trying to Haste everyone, often because it's forced to do so over separately rather than all in one go; Haste 2 can forego this at times, but, like I said, it's difficult to use as it is, much less on a team where a unit has Jump.
Yadda yadda yadda. One hour later, here are my arrogant suggestions. Gaze upon them and weep, ye mighty:
Team: Jessica Albas Dark Angels Palettes: Black/Blue
Dark Summoner Female Libra --> Cancer 53 --> 40 70 Summoner White Magic HP Restore --> Projectile Guard Short Charge Move-MP Up Wizard Staff --> Wizard Rod
Golden Hairpin Wizard Outfit --> Wizard Robe Magic Ring
Ah, crap. This means I missed Chakra on TristanBeoulve's team when I was tallying things. I've fixed that now then.
Otherwise, there's really not much to say about this match. Barren basically summed up the chief problem with TristanBeoulve's team in introductions: his Ninja tends to run ahead and get himself killed. This even though said Ninja oddly doesn't really have the attack power to really back it up even with, well, Attack UP. Really, he should at least have max Brave if being so suicidal and probably have Power Sleeve, if not also Twist Headband. If you really wanted Thief Hat, then it probably have been best to use a Short Charge Lore unit with Maelstrom or Earth Dragon and given him Dragon Spirit as well over Counter. After all, there is probably no point in having Counter since he's likely to die to get 2HKO'd at best to against most things, but I can see why it's there I suppose.
That said, I'd argue that TristanBeoulve's Chemist was almost as big a liability. White Magic Chemist just don't work between being mostly redundant and usually making the Chemist more vulnerable to spells than they "need" to be. Speaking of which, she similarly didn't need anything higher than 40 Brave, just like how no one on this team really ended up benefiting from 70 Faith, but meh. The Bard's set-up isn't exactly useful either, but at least isn't an active detriment like the two above units outside of when he's facing Undead...which there are a lot of due to Cursed Ring being everywhere. Oops.
Speaking of Cursed Ring (again), sadly, this is the first match in a while to not have the damn thing in it after like...ten in a row and that's ignoring the fact that this match should have been up a while ago sequentially. Ugh. Oh well. The brief break from Curses was nice even if the match-up was one-sided, especially since Stone Gun hurts even if it's largely overshadowed by Spellguns.
Not really much to say about the actual match except that I'm still surprised whenever Sinkhole misses and I legitimately laughed at Barren's "and now this is where he becomes an idiot" comment about Tristan's Ninja and his suicidally rushing/flying off in the second match. The latter was helped by the dorkiest song in Super Mario 64 coming on right at that moment.
As much as I've been seemingly chewing out TristanBeoulve's team, it's a shame to see him having been eliminated so early between it being nice to see someone (finally) use the set-up he has on Tristan and his being one of the few teams without Cursed Ring. Oh well.
(Reks) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Black/White
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Luke Male Taurus 70 40 Squire Steal Abandon Defense UP Move-HP Up Hunting Bow Escutcheon II Green Beret Santa Outfit Feather Mantle
Unlike Reks, I'm not really that surprised he won given he and Celdia constantly underestimate themselves and his Samurai and his Dancer hurt a lot. The fact that said Samurai basically effortlessly murders Vigilanti's chief damage dealer, Ayase the Squire, is largely why Reks took this. Granted, Reks got overall luckier with status between all the Don't Move flying around in the first round and that Charm on Ayase in the second round, but I don't think it would have changed much otherwise. Asuna getting nuked by her own unit in the second round certainly helped on that front, as did being the first and so far only person to in tournament to actually get a Dead proc off of Bad Luck; at least, I think he is....
I say this given that the A.I. has the frustrating tendency to group together even when it shouldn't given it's aggravatingly blind to any AoE the enemy may have unless it's actively charging. This even if such abilities have used immediately before. [/eternal complaint]
I suppose Reks did also get somewhat lucky with his Undead Pole(arm) Dancer coming back not in Critical in the first round as well given she has no way to heal herself. Even without her helping, however, he would likely have won the first round still. She was acting kind of weird anyway, at least in the second round.
I mean, why the hell didn't the she just Jump on Vigilanti's Knight Paladin from the get-go given he was Don't Moved instead of going for two 12% pokes that of course missed? Sigh. The A.I. Why? It was made even "funnier" since the Squire got in a single 12% shot right after those two misses before she finally just jumped on the Paladin anyway for a rather absurd 352 damage, especially since I think it was through Protect.
That said, again, Reks winning is slightly marred by him eliminating one of the more interesting teams from the tournament. Farewell, Ultima and Defender. You will be missed.
Ugh. I keep wanting to put space in TrueLight's name and call Fury "Brave".
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on August 28, 2014, 03:17:56 pm
Bracket and first post updated.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on August 28, 2014, 04:10:03 pm
Awesome, we need about six more Doomtrain matches to be caught up with the winner's bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 28, 2014, 06:41:25 pm
I'll begin doing rounds 2 and 3 of the loser's bracket matches tomorrow. Meanwhile enjoy the winners bracket
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DARKANGELUXZ on August 29, 2014, 03:55:03 am
Unlike the above, I wasn't really surprised that this match took a while even with the severe flaws of DARKANGELUXZ's team. Even with an all-female team with some...questionable equipment and other decisions, all of them save for the Summoner have pretty high health and all of them including the Summoner can heal themselves and others. So, yeah, when combined with the fact that DomieV's team lacks any damaging AoE save for Southern Cross, which of course did a good deal of work in the first round, it's not surprising this took a while. Counter Magic proving actually useful for once by "reflecting" Slow 2 also dragged things out.
That said, outside of the fact that A.I. is still doing those weird Balances for 0 damage--why?!--in instances where it isn't breaking Charm, I like what I saw from DomieV's team. It was nice to see the high Faith on a non-Spellgun Archer pay off for once--at least twice, actually--since the proc'd Holy of Silver Bow usually does paltry damage much like with Ice Brand and its Ice 2. Here it did 141 damage, which was almost as damaging as the arrow itself.
The first round was also the far more entertaining round given the Summoner got both her Golden Hairpin and Wizard Outfit broken, leaving her at a pitiful 96 HP when she was already getting OHKO'd by Southern Cross just after her Hairpin broke. That 16 damage Jump after the Lancer's spear got broken was also darkly amusing. Geez. I can't remember ever seeing such a steep damage drop after a weapon got destroyed; even with her contrary set-up, she still did a respectable 121 damage with the Spear, so the fact that it dropped by 105 is rather...severe. DomieV had the round one in such command that I don't think the Time Mage even got damaged at all during it. Of course, damaging her just led to her slinging around Balances in round two from what I remember, so it was kind of a lose-lose situation there for DARK.
DARK's team did slightly better in the second round in general, but his team has, among other problems, the same issue as mine did in that it can't really do any damage. It shouldn't given he at least has attack magic and AoE, but given how many people absorb Holy just due to Magic Ring, how the Summoner only has Holy element magic and his easily his Samurai gets stuck in loops...yeah. Granted, those Holys hurt when did hit, OHKOing the Silver Bow Archer, but between their cost and the A.I.'s tendency to Holy itself to health when it really shouldn't, I'm not sure how worth it they were when she also had Short Charge Cyclops.
Oh well. I've thought about how to improve DARK's team since no one has really talked about that, but I'll go over that in a separate post below this.
So, ignoring the obvious presumptuousness of this between both suggesting any advice at all and taking your team names out of Caps Lock, I'll just say that I'm doing this partly out of the usual boredom but mostly out a sincere attempt to be "helpful"; also, I'm not using CAPS Lock since, among other things, it geniunely gives me a bit of a literal headache if there's a bunch of it. Regardless. it doesn't exactly help anyone to be told that they're wrong without being told how to improve or at least being told in actual detail what they're doing wrong.
As such, I'll just go through this unit by unit. I'll try to improve units while keeping them as they are, at least as far as Primary and Secondary skill sets go. For the sake of this exercise, I'll assume that we're under the usual 3000 cap, though at the same time I'll note what other abilities could be used if there was another tournament like this. Similarly, I'll be keeping all active abilities, RSMs and equipment used to one-ofs instead of the usual two-of.
Removed abilities are in parentheses, while ones suggested to be added are either pointed to by arrows if non-active or put in brackets if active:
Dark Knight: She's obviously meant to be the physical attacking unit of the team between Punch Art, Blood Sword, Martial Arts and Counter. This means that, unfortunately, she'd likely be better off as a male since female Paladins & other physical units are only really better than at Steal Heart and having access to Dance. The MP and MA boosts they get are so negligible that they're not really better at magic, as seen with the older versions of DomieV's previously all-male Famous Knights team. Still, I'll leave her and the others as female since that's obviously what you wanted.
Now, despite her initial issues, she's easily the least flawed unit on the initial team and she has a bunch of JP to work still even if we're going with the 3000 cap. First of all, she doesn't really need anything higher than 40 Faith, partly due to the revival that I'm going to use for Dark Summoner being Raise, which can get past 40 Faith easily with good compatibility and high MA. I'm fairly certain that even with 40 Faith, the Summoner can still resurrect her with Raise 100% of the time (provided her equipment doesn't get destroyed again).
So, with that done, we move on to her RSMs and equipment. Her RSMs are mostly fine and I can understand why Teleport is there, but I think she'd be better off with Warpath given she's trying to get as much mileage out of Blood Sword as possible. While Teleport lets her get behind or to the side of people more easily, it also still doesn't guarantee she'll hit them even from behind and Paladins can't get (easily) get enough movement to make Teleport all that useful. Since we're foregoing Tactician's Blade, Equip Light Blade for Knives and any form of shoes as equipment, Teleport gets the boot. (Har har.)
Getting to equipment, Blood Sword obviously stays, but everything else changes. Given Barren mentioned it at least twice, there really is no reason to have three pieces of equipment that happen to block Dead. I don't think you were actually trying to do that intentionally, but that's what happened and it just ended up wasting space. Chameleon Robe especially isn't something you want on her given even if you let the Summoner keep Holy, you really don't want her to waste time, turns and MP trying to heal with Holy instead of the much quicker, AoE-hitting Moogle. Given Chamleon Robe serves no real purpose for her otherwise...
Similarly, I'm guessing that Genji Shield was there both for the +1 PA and for the minimal M-EV to not get in the way of potential Holys. Since that's no longer the case and it's best to try to take advantage of Nurse's Defending status, I figure it would likely be "best" to go kill two birds with one stone and just use Diamond Shield since that Nulls Holy (and Earth) and has higher evasion all around. It's not like a single point of anything really amounts to much unless its Speed or maybe Move, so the loss of +1 PA is insignificant, especially in the face of Warpath.
Angel Ring and Crystal Helmet are fine, but Paladins both have easy access to Blind-immunity via Diamond Armor and anti-Death Sentence measures via Reraise (the skill). As such, they're both superfluous when you can use Wizard Mantle for Don't Act-immunity instead, especially when it benefits from Nurse and when you already get Berserk-immunity from Diamond Armor--otherwise I'd be suggesting Dracula Mantle. I was initially tempted to say that her helmet "should" be Diamond Helmet just to complete the Diamond "set", but then I ended up letting your Samurai keep Heaven's Cloud (the ability) and realized Initial: Float is a bit redundant to Null: Earth, even with the Initial: Reraise. So Platina/Platinum Helm(et) it is, if only really for the Slow-immunity--feel free to go back to Diamond Helmet.
As for active abilities, she's mostly fine there. Earth Slash is kind of pointless even with the AoE and Range. She never used it anyway, so it goes, especially since she gains enough JP back to get Reraise after buying the "necessary" abilities of Consecration, Iron Will and Repeating Fist. Consecration, as much as it sucks for its expense, is largely necessary mostly due to the unfortunate amount of Cursed Ring users around and Blood Sword being unable to touch them. It's part of why Diamond Armor seems important so as not to get Berserked since you'd just end up healing those asses while killing yourself.
Even without the 3000 cap, the only thing I'd maybe change is giving her Spin Fist or Wave Fist. No real need for her to Earth Slash back and getting Transfusion is out when she already has competing healing modes by way of the "necessary" evil of having both Nurse and Chakra. Similarly, both Cross skills is right out because of how relatively weak the WP of Blood Sword is and how you have no PA boosts anymore, not that a mere +1 PA would have helped much.
Dark Lancer: I'll try to keep this shorter than the above, even though there's a lot more wrong with every unit after Dark Knight. Still, paradoxically, due to having more wrong with them, their flaws are more easily summed up. For this unit, the chief problem is this: you're trying to make an attack unit out of a unit that should just be a speedy Item-bot despite the fact that it only has 40 Brave and no equipment that boosts PA.
That's...problematic. As such, I'm ditching everything save for Platina Shield equipment-wise despite the Platinum set theme and even there I'm tempted to go with Zephyr Shield; I probably would if I wasn't letting the Samurai keep Heaven's Cloud. Instead of the Platinum armors, Dark Lancer is now gilded in Gold so she's immune to Frog, Sleep, Don't Move, Dead, Petrify and, though it doesn't matter, Silence since she's the main status-healer as Item-bot. She also now has a Dracula Mantle instead of an Elf Mantle because she's Dark like that so as to protect against the evils of Berserk. Finally, she gets a Javelin for +2 Speed because she's don't care much for actually attacking.
Aside from that, like Dark Knight, she doesn't need more than 40 Faith, even if it undermines Moogle, since she can heal herself if need be. She should also probably be Scorpio like the Samurai so as to not give Muramasa potential damage bonus since I can't remember if Murasame cares about compatibility; like Transfusion, I don't think it does. Meanwhile, under the 3000 JP Cap, her Jump ranges have to be scaled back some and she has go to with Ether over Hi-Ether, but that's fine; arguably she benefits a bit from being forced to have a Jump range that isn't longer than her Throw Item range anyway.
If there was no JP cap as is the case with this tournament, then obviously Jumps and Hi-Ether can stay. I'd also say that having Hi-Potion in addition to X-Potion would be beneficial given I think it heals everyone but the Summoner more than X-Potion. Finally, while her RSMs are mostly fine, unfortunately Ignore Height is still currently inferior to Teleport and Fly as it was in vanilla unless you're really paranoid about fall damage from random push-back. As such, replacing it with one of those would likely be for the best--I'd personally go with Teleport given Dark Knight is no longer using it. That said, since I'm giving Dark Samurai Teleport presently, Dark Lancer would have to settle for Fly.
Dark Summoner: The chief problem with this unit is even simpler: you made her mono-elementally focused, which negates pretty all of the power she has when faces the many, many units that absorb or nullify said element--in this case, it's Holy. She also weirdly has neutral compatibility with the rest of her team for some reason despite being the main reviver & thus being the main reason two units who eschew Faith have more than 40...and yet she's not Serpentarius. On top of that, she has too much Brave--she should have 40--despite having no reason to physically attack save a death wish, has HP Restore with extremely low HP, has Wizard Outfit over a superior Robe and has Holy with Magic Ring. Granted, the last thing wouldn't be a flaw if it wasn't for the fact that the A.I. unfortunately uses Holy to heal itself if it has Magic Ring on when it really shouldn't; not this is your fault or that you had much of a way of knowing this. (Despite the fact that Holy needs at least a slight nerf, I'd be fine with slightly buffing it in the form of making it no longer able to self-target.)
Anyway, those things are easily fixed fortunately. Her Zodiac becomes Cancer instead of Libra. Her Brave--well, Fury--goes to 40. Her reaction becomes Projectile Guard due to all of the Spellguns running around. Her Wizard Outfit becomes a Wizard Robe, which means she loses a mere 15 HP to gain 40 MP while retaining +2 MA still. Her Summons extend to include at least Ifrit and Odin while under the 3000 cap, even though it means she has to lose Holy, which is frankly better than losing Magic Ring in my opinion, at least presently. (Wizard Staff gets changed to Wizard Rod because it's functionally the exact same anyway, which why I'm still campaigning for Wizard Staff to die/change to something else completely, Priests & Time Mages who want to forego C Bags be damned.)
Sure, White Magic thus becomes a bit of a waste as he r Secondary, but Raise is still the most accurate magical revival, so that's something. Even without the JP cap, the only other things I think you could want would be Esuna and maybe Wall as far as White Magic goes. As for Summon Magic, though, buying basically all of the spells there would probably be for the best there, hence why part of why Summon Magic eclipsed Black Magic and Lore this tournament.
Dark Samurai: The chief problem with this unit isn't as bad as it is with the Lancer or the Summoner, but there are still problems: you're trying to split the difference between having a support unit and a unit that can attack well and only attack well, but attack on both sides. Thus you're not really achiveing much of anything due to lack of focus. There is literally no reason she should have Attack Up if she's not a male Samurai or lacks a physical secondary, especially given she (also) has no PA-boosting gear and is already dipping into Black Magic for Counter Magic, which has Magic Attack Up. Given Magic Attack Up would be much more helpful to both Draw Out and Time Magic....
She similarly neither needs nor wants 60 Brave when 40 will do, especially now with more damaging Draw Outs via Magic Attack Up. She should be sticking with debuffs for support Time Magic if she has Time Magic at all, especially since Slow 2 helps this particular team way more than Haste 2 does, particularly the Summoner. Slow 2 also usually makes much more impact on a single unit than Haste 2 does, especially on a team where one or more of your allies might be Jumping out of the way of Haste 2. Finally, she's also vulnerable to Silence in her initial set-up, though that's not horrible since she has Draw Out to fall back on.
Regardless, she loses Move-HP Up for Teleport mainly because it costs way too much JP under the 3000 JP cap for relatively little benefit on this type of unit. Admittedly, I don't think I'd give Move-HP Up back to her even without the cap despite Samurai having the same movement "issue" I brought up under Paladin with regards to Paladin. Samurai at least has the benefit of larger AoE that isn't driven by Brave/Fury on top of that. As a consequence of that Movement change, she has no more reason to use Grand Helm(et) or Maximillian, especially as weak as they are presently. So instead she gets Mythril Helmet to primarily to prevent Slow as well as Robe of Lords for a lot more MP--Slow 2 is expensive--and to prevent Silence.
Speaking of MP-drain, her initial set-up had her using the dubious Counter Magic with only about 96 MP, even though Counter Magic drains your MP to, well, counter magic. Between that, the fact that Counter Magic often backfires and the fact that Counter Magic is currently too expensive for how often it backfires, she loses it for Chrono Trigger. Granted, Chrono Trigger is also currently overpriced, but at least it has compatibility with being immune to Slow, being a Slow-causing unit and helps deal with the "lack" of Masamune (the ability).
Chirijiraden (the katana) and Chantage are fine, though she doesn't really have the JP to get Kikuichimoji alongside Chijiraden (the katana) unfortunately and Chantage could maybe be something else, like Setiemson. Shrug. She gets Sinkhole since she's mostly support and since the Demi spells are largely redundant to Draw Out, especially on a team where no one absorbs Dark element for all the DARK in their names; even if they did, Kotetsu would still be be preferred given its instant activation, wider AoE and the drop in the Paladin and Lancer's Faiths.
Without the 3000 JP, I'd only probably give her Kikuichimo(n)ji and Comet as additional abilities. She could maybe get Asura, Bizen Boat and Kiyomori, but that seems like that would be pushing it. No Masamune because, again, if there's only one Haste-adding support unit on a team, it usually wastes too much of its time to trying to Haste everyone, often because it's forced to do so over separately rather than all in one go; Haste 2 can forego this at times, but, like I said, it's difficult to use as it is, much less on a team where a unit has Jump.
Yadda yadda yadda. One hour later, here are my arrogant suggestions. Gaze upon them and weep, ye mighty:
Team: Jessica Albas Dark Angels Palettes: Black/Blue
Dark Summoner Female Libra --> Cancer 53 --> 40 70 Summoner White Magic HP Restore --> Projectile Guard Short Charge Move-MP Up Wizard Staff --> Wizard Rod
Golden Hairpin Wizard Outfit --> Wizard Robe Magic Ring
Funny, as he pointed me out in particular when he mentioned them before.
Actually, I get a bit... Fanatical, after a few matches have been posted. I'll refresh over and over waiting for them.
You might think I am kidding you. I am not.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Xander on August 29, 2014, 06:50:36 pm
Would someone be so kind to point me to an explanation of all this awesome? From what I see... You build a team with one of's, and the let the AI "flawless" battle to see who has better planning?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on August 29, 2014, 08:39:43 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 23 - reinoe vs Fenire (http://youtu.be/6YE8NIRpyEk)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 24 - Otabo vs Reks (http://youtu.be/8UrP9yujOYY)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on August 29, 2014, 09:51:17 pm
After the atrocity that Mallory pulled in the match with CT5Holy, she decided to get her act together for this match. Good girl. Seriously though, Don't Moves everywhere. But yeah, I figured that this would be the result. Reks's team simply has too many weaknesses for my team to exploit; specifically berserk. Although the samurai and dancer could do some pretty significant damage, once Insult and/or Death Sentence landed on that samurai and the dancer neutralized, in the long run, it wouldn't have mattered what the priest or squire did. Also, lulz at the 27 damage Tornado on Mackenzie and the 98% missed Steal Accessory. Pretty one-sided match overall. GG Reks.
Now if they can get past a certain Attack Up ninja and a certain Two Handed Thief, I think we might just make it off the doomtrain. *prays to RNG goddess* Please, oh PLEASE don't let Mallory be stupid next round...
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Post by: Fenire on August 30, 2014, 08:22:03 am
This is my stop. GG reinoe and GL
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Post by: Barren on August 30, 2014, 08:58:07 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Seaosn 3 Loser's Bracket Match 9 - spacethypoon vs Angelus (http://youtu.be/LkSIYWPwaic)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Seaosn 3 Loser's Bracket Match 10 - Celdia vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/DoBN0ApBerc)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on August 30, 2014, 11:56:53 am
Round 2 was a fun bit of RNG but my luck totally ran out with those misses in Round 3. Was very happy to see a Kiyomori proc in there at least once.
I came, I saw, I caused havoc. It was a good run.
GG, Shadowstrike. Good luck getting off the DOOM TRAIN! Why don't we have an emote for that? We totally should.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 01, 2014, 07:06:56 am
Just to let everyone know that I just spoke to Zotis and he told me that he can no longer assume the responsibility to upload anymore of the loser bracket matches. I will get started on the rest of round 2 loser's bracket tomorrow because I got one more long day of work today. If anyone want to help out and take over for zotis let me know please. Thanks everyone for your patience and sorry for any further delays
And if anyone wants you can commentate some of the loser's bracket with me (if you have a skype account). Figured it would be cool :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on September 01, 2014, 09:23:12 am
Quote from: Barren on September 01, 2014, 07:06:56 am Just to let everyone know that I just spoke to Zotis and he told me that he can no longer assume the responsibility to upload anymore of the loser bracket matches. I will get started on the rest of round 2 loser's bracket tomorrow because I got one more long day of work today. If anyone want to help out amd take over for zotis let me know please. Thanks everyone for your patience and sorry for any further delays
And if anyone wants you can commentate some of the loser's bracket with me (if you have a skype account). Figured it would be cool :D
I'd love to co-commentate (I have to limit my internet usage too much to reliably upload things like videos)
The mere thought of it made me nervous, but hey.
*EDIT: Forgot to mention, but because of my still-no-job status, I'm available at all hours to do so.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 01, 2014, 01:46:09 pm
Barren, I wouldn't mind skyping. Although, since school starts tomorrow for me, what time do you have in mind for the match?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 01, 2014, 02:05:57 pm
Anytime after 6pm. pm me your skype account and ill friend request you
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on September 01, 2014, 02:13:51 pm
(I'll comment on the latest matches next time I post. I need to rewatch them at this point. I'll comment on the other posts directed towards me at the same time.)
Barren, please stop apologizing given it's not your fault at all.
If anything, then you should probably take a break for a day or two, especially since today is one of the few holidays that isn't complete bullshit. I was honestly worried that you were losing your voice towards the start of the tournament and you haven't really had much time to relax from this as it is even before doing the extra work for Zotis. No reason to burn yourself out, as much as the quickness of everything is appreciated like always.
My laptop is unfortunately still basically dead, so I can't really do anything to help or else I'd try to get back into recording. This even though I'm not sure if I could even upload anything, at least from this computer, given Youtube hasn't let me post anything all year from my desktop for whatever reason. Granted, pretty much all of my attempts have just been trying to post comments, but since that's kinda related to video stuff....
It's a shame to hear that Zotis has to forego helping with the rest of the tournament, but given that things rarely go smoothly in any event, I can't say I'm surprised that something happened with someone. This especially since I had a bit of trouble last tournament myself. Oh well. I'll see if I can maybe get a hold of another laptop, but it's not anything guaranteed. At least it looks like other people want to and/or possibly can help, so that's good.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 01, 2014, 07:31:19 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 11 - VireBlaze vs DomieV (http://youtu.be/bDaj20jEyic)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 01, 2014, 10:20:57 pm
Damn... I get Internet from my step dad's tire shop... (which closes at 5:00 pm) I -do- get up at 4 AM, but I doubt you can record at that time.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on September 02, 2014, 01:38:53 am
Well, I'm not saying I won't be able to record any more videos for the rest of the tournament. But I've only been able to get up like one a week. This whole tournament I was only able to do 3 videos so far. I work 12 hour shifts four days on and four days off, but this week I'm going to visit family and friends back in Ottawa and then I'll be back to work again. So I at least won't be able to record anything until next weekend. Even then I don't know if I can promise more than one a week, and I don't want to slow the tournament down. So I'll try to be in touch with you Barren and let you know when and if I can record any more and try not to take more than I can handle.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 02, 2014, 02:42:04 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 26 - reinoe vs Otabo (http://youtu.be/UJMI30f6GME)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 02, 2014, 06:50:43 am
Quote from: Zotis on September 02, 2014, 01:38:53 am Well, I'm not saying I won't be able to record any more videos for the rest of the tournament. But I've only been able to get up like one a week. This whole tournament I was only able to do 3 videos so far. I work 12 hour shifts four days on and four days off, but this week I'm going to visit family and friends back in Ottawa and then I'll be back to work again. So I at least won't be able to record anything until next weekend. Even then I don't know if I can promise more than one a week, and I don't want to slow the tournament down. So I'll try to be in touch with you Barren and let you know when and if I can record any more and try not to take more than I can handle.
In that case how about for now me or CT5Holy do your matches until you are able to finish your sections of the loser's bracket. Don't feel rushed to get back into it but just keep in mind that we need to get on with the tournament. Hopefully you can do at least one more match
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on September 02, 2014, 08:36:05 am
Yeah that's fine Barren. I'll let you know when I can do another match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on September 02, 2014, 02:43:27 pm
Mmm hmm, I saw this coming. You know what though, I might be out of the tourney now, but at least I can go home proud because it wasn't solely Mallory's Insult that lost me the match (like it did against CT5Holy in the winner's bracket), I lost to RNG and poor AI decisions on my team's part. Which is one of the most common ways a team can lose a match. But damn, Mallory almost gave me a heart attack every time she went for Insult; thankfully most of them missed. GG, until next time.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 02, 2014, 05:43:02 pm
Mmm hmm, I saw this coming. You know what though, I might be out of the tourney now, but at least I can go home proud because it wasn't solely Mallory's Insult that lost me the match (like it did against CT5Holy in the winner's bracket), I lost to RNG and poor AI decisions on my team's part. Which is one of the most common ways a team can lose a match. But damn, Mallory almost gave me a heart attack every time she went for Insult; thankfully most of them missed. GG, until next time.
As for me, I have the reason of THE WORST GOD DAMN TEAM EVER (sorry for the swears) as to why I lost. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite good at FFT (humble, right?), I would never use the chemist the way I did in this, I just blew that idea out of my ass. Besides that, though, I could have made good use of that team in real FFT, but this is different. Learning is what matters here, besides.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 02, 2014, 05:44:43 pm
And also as long as you have fun. Sure we make competitive teams or sometimes joke teams but we all have fun in the end
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 02, 2014, 05:46:38 pm
This. Yeah, we're at the mercy of the AI or the RNG - sometimes both, but at the end of the day, having fun is all that matters. If Arena was seriously tryhard-level competitive, then this'll be a whole different ballpark altogether.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 02, 2014, 09:24:42 pm
Sorry if there is audio problems at some parts due to me and silentkaster doing the duo commentary as he was contacting me via skype and the mic audio lowering all the way down as I record with camtasia studio 8 but hopefully I will find the answer to it soon. Meanwhile enjoy this match
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Bracket Match 12 - Anima Zero vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/f_2RROYuZxo)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 03, 2014, 01:17:42 am
Dual Commentary was a nice bonus to the video. Always good to hear two different perspectives on the match and teams. As for the match itself, that Paladin did not want to die. He blocked Asura after Asura. I know he has decent magic evasion, but jeez. Bard continues to die even though he has the highest HP, good thing his teammates are always there to revive him. GG Anima Zero, you made a pretty good first team.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Anima Zero on September 03, 2014, 12:32:20 pm
You know, I'm rather amused it took my Paladin this long to bust out Grand Cross. Not that it made me feel any better about forgetting darkness protection, heh.
A good match there sir. Also thanks for the kind words about my team. Surprised how well it held up considering I made it in basically a day with no extensive knowledge of Arena beforehand (I had participated in AI tourneys before, just not any with the Arena patch).
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 05, 2014, 04:10:59 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers' Bracket Match 17 - Angelus vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/9WgSAK30-Ik)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers' Bracket Match 18 - DomieV vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/ao46dxPA-Wg)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on September 05, 2014, 04:34:02 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers' Bracket Match 18 - DomieV vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/ao46dxPA-Wg)
Phenomenal.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 05, 2014, 05:50:14 pm
What's with this place being dead lately?!?!?!?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angelus on September 05, 2014, 06:05:14 pm
Can't believe that im still alive in the doom train, GG shadowstrike, sorry you had to lose the way you did. I wonder how much more my luck can hold out
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 05, 2014, 07:19:27 pm
Best match of the tournament so far? Perhaps. Too bad I was the person on the losing end. Those Southern Crosses hurt a lot more than I had expected and it didn't help that my team was staying too close together for multiple hits. I'm also surprised I won round 2 despite all those sleeps on my team early. Round 3 was filled with all sorts of shenanigans. My Ninja losing all his buffs while the Paladin repeatedly getting HP Restore didn't help things. Kind of reminds me of my team from last season haha. GG DomieV, that was one heck of a fight. Good luck in your future matches on the Doom Train.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 06, 2014, 02:03:27 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Bracket Match 21 - Zotis vs Angelus (http://youtu.be/0iRlMYbXWSc)
I'll upload Loser's match 22 later on tonight, having some problems with my internet
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on September 06, 2014, 05:32:11 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers' Bracket Match 18 - DomieV vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/ao46dxPA-Wg)
This was such a good match. I kinda feel bad for shadowstrike. He always seems to make these formidable teams that never really go far.
Well we get one every season. An incredible match that just blows you away.
The tradition of Loser's bracket being way more exciting than winner's bracket continues.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 07, 2014, 08:00:42 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Bracket Match 22 - Mallen vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhlW9itH3js&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DomieV on September 07, 2014, 09:20:52 am
Damn man that as a long match. I just happened to get fortunate that truelight got caught in a corner with my AoE southern cross and that chemist is a trooper. seriously it took all of truelight's units to take him out in round 2. GG TrueLight, that's definitely a upset victory for me
Round 1 was intense as hell with the back and forth sandbag. And my chemist again, the trooper! And my archer held up as well. That 385 crit was beautiful! GG Mallen, now I face the guy that put me on the doom train in the first place
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on September 07, 2014, 05:52:54 pm
Is DomieV vs Zotis up next? That should be good to watch. Reinoe is right about the Loser's bracket being more exciting than the Winner's bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 08, 2014, 11:56:11 pm
Hope no one minds the next winner's bracket match...
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 29 - Leif1991 vs Barren (http://youtu.be/Qe0ASx4UoQ4)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on September 09, 2014, 01:32:03 am
I feel terrible. I got so lucky with Round 1. Earlier in the season, I ran a few practice matches with Barren's team and it did curb-stomp mine during some of the matches; his damage output is much higher than mine. GG Barren, you would have won if I didn't get lucky with Charm and Don't Act procs.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 09, 2014, 06:12:43 am
that dont act and charm really set the tone for my loss in round 1 and i just got squashed due to rng wanting revenge on me. Round 2 pretty much the same. GG Leif. Good luck in the next match. Now its my turn to visit the doom train
Let's add another visitor to the doom train!
FT ArenaAI Tournament Season 3 Match 30 - CT5Holy vs Dokruider (http://youtu.be/F6O3FVT1Yl4)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Leif1991 on September 09, 2014, 12:30:52 pm
that dont act and charm really set the tone for my loss in round 1 and i just got squashed due to rng wanting revenge on me. Round 2 pretty much the same. GG Leif. Good luck in the next match. Now its my turn to visit the doom train
Let's add another visitor to the doom train!
FT ArenaAI Tournament Season 3 Match 30 - CT5Holy vs Dokruider (http://youtu.be/F6O3FVT1Yl4)
Shortest match ever. Dokurider steamrolled right through CT5's team. O_O
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on September 09, 2014, 12:51:20 pm
Oh this video is 5 minutes long. Looks like I finally get the stomping I deserv-WHAT THE FUCK? How the hell did that just happen? My team's name is turning out to be far more prophetic then I ever thought it would be.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 09, 2014, 09:33:29 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Losers Match 28 - Barren vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/7n3qyXT9KVU)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 09, 2014, 09:40:59 pm
Looks like I lost...again. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. GG reinoe
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 09, 2014, 10:53:06 pm
I knew I lost when I saw the match was so short. That Summoner was going to be a huge problem. The other problem was your Thief 1-shotting my ninja on turn 1. Didn't see that coming, but yeah it was alllll bad for me haha. Good stuff Doku.
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Post by: reinoe on September 10, 2014, 01:34:59 am
At 9:32 when the geomancer got revived. I thought it was curtains fo me. I thought the geomancer was going to use kotetsu to kill 2-3 of my units and heal Barrens Ninja, but she didn't do it. Instead she used masamune. Wow. There were several points where I thought it was going to be curtains for me, but nope. Never happened.
GG Barren.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 10, 2014, 08:40:06 am
I felt that i did slightly better than season 2 but i was no where as dominant as I was in season 1. I felt that there was something i could have done better with my team by like adding reflect or projectile guard. Also the rng completely shat on me during my last 2 matches and while having masamune in general is great unfortunately what reinoe pointed out costed me my match since my geo didnt attack with koutetsu. I know it sounds like im complaining somewhat but i couldnt help but to be a bit let down for me that i didnt win. But hey cant win all the time. Maybe I'll try again next season pending on if i can think of one.
Good luck to the remaining players in the tourney
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on September 11, 2014, 05:26:41 am
(So I'm apparently ten matches behind not counting the four I had rewatch to jog my memory of what happened during them. Hunh.)
As it was, I got through only two of the still-new-to-me matches before I got distracted by BotanicSage, of all people, and by learning that apparently Mr. Herriman's voice actor is the person who is Magneto's MvC3 voice actor. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSBZzBbyevY) I just had to see that in related videos for some reason--Youtube is so weird like that. My accursed attention span grows ever shorter, it would seem.
Oh well. I guess it's for the best given I did promise I'd get to those now two-page-old quotes in the next post I did. Getting through about half of the video backlog seems a fine set-up for next time, especially given how long it seems one of DomieV's matches turned out to be:
(reinoe) Team: 10 Gauge Palettes: Yellow/White
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Unit 1 Male Scorpio 70 55 Thief Item Counter Two Hands Fly Platinum Sword
Sniper Male Sagittarius 70 40 Archer Draw Out Projectile Guard Attack UP Move-HP Up Mythril Bow
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Seal Evil, Hawk's Eye Kiyomori, Masamune
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First Knight Female Gemini 40 70 Paladin White Magic Counter Magic Defend UP Move-MP Up Battle Axe Diamond Shield Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Setiemson
I'm admittedly surprised that the battle at Dougola Pass didn't go Fenire's way even with the obvious speed advantage reinoe had due merely to Fenire having a Summoner. Then again, given how annoyingly overpowered Hidden Knife and Spellguns currently are, the Summoner being forced into healing earlier is likely what saved reinoe there given how much damage that single Cyclops did. She generally got stuck healing when she wasn't dying.
As it is, reinoe largely won this due to having a speed advantage and three out of four units on his team not giving a damn about The Untouchable the Squire's significant evasion. That one of those units--the Ninja--could OHKO Fenire's Undead Archer as well and that neither Fenire's Paladin nor Archer could really do much of anything only doomed Fenire more. Maybe if Fenire's Archer had dodged that Raise 2 early on in round two he could have won that round and maybe the match as a whole. After all, said Archer is the most dangerous unit on Fenire's team after the Summoner, who was too slow here. Then again, Hawk's Eye was also shown to be a bit too slow though, so who knows.
(Otabo) Team: Season 3 Palettes: Brown/Black
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Teabag Female Scorpio 45 40 Thief Draw Out Projectile Guard Equip Armor Move-HP Up Sasuke Knife
I have to wonder how the first round would have worked out for Reks if the Samurai hadn't stepped out of the way of Esuna and then gotten Insulted. Similarly, I have to wonder if the Priest used Esuna on the Berserked Samurai & the Don't Act Dancer instead of going for fucking Regen--what in Athena's name was she thinking? Finally, I have to wonder if Reks could have won the first round had the Otabo's Monk's Revive missed on his Thief after the two Raise 2s amusingly missed her. Who knows.
As it was, Reks just got kind painfully picked part by a bunch of negative status effects, especially given both of his most damaging units didn't really get to do what they were best at, especially in the first round. Luke wasn't exactly helpful the entire match despite Steal Heart, especially given he ran away like an idiot while Death Sentence'd in the second round. Isolating himself right before he was about to die sure was a genius move. Yep....
A lot of Don't Move got thrown around in the first round and Cursed Ring, of course, and Sleep generally dragged things out much longer than they needed to be. Otherwise, there's not much else to say about this beyond Reks getting further than he thought he would and my being sorry to see him go even if it's not like he lost to a crappy team.
I suppose I am/was a bit suprised that all that Charm didn't really amount to much of anything for either of them, but meh--Charm is always pretty hit or miss in the devastation it does or doesn't get to reap unlike, say, Slow. That 98% Steal Accessory missing for Reks in the second round was a bit thematically appropriate too I suppose.
(spacethypoon) Team: Black Sheep Palettes: Black/Green
I must admit that I'm rather surprised at how close spacethypoon came to winning the first round before the Chemist's timely Arm Aim ended up screwing him over. If I had expected anyone on Angelus's team to run roughshod over spacethypoon, it was Angelus's Samurai between just Asura and Koutetsu. Between Angelus's Chemist being a wall to spacethypoon team & stopping spacethypoon from taking round one, however, and Angelus's Time Mage being a damage dealer and disrupter, his Samurai got severely outpaced as MVP.
The second round worked out a lot less well for spacethypoon than I expected it would between his having a Ninja and Kikyo the Archer getting to maintain higher ground for all of a round again. Not much else to say about the second round really except that I think it was the first instance of Krypt the Paladin getting Charmed that ultimately did spacethypoon in here. I say that due to the sheer amount of damage that he did to Kikyo with Southern Cross despite her both not dying and Auto-Potioning. Not that it wouldn't have mattered had Angelus not had a gun to advantage, but he did, so....
As a whole, Krypt the Paladin generally was the weakest link on spacethypoon's team between the Draw Out mistake and Reflect Mail not really helping his team. Hell, like with my team, Reflect Mail actively worked against him.
Still, it was nice to see someone's team actually use Wall and it's indeed rather rare to see Sinkhole KO someone.
(Celdia) Team: Bad Romance Novel Palettes: Blue/White
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Bait Male Serpentarius 70 40 Thief Sing Speed Save Equip Shield Teleport Phoenix Blade Zephyr Shield Green Beret Secret Clothes Battle Boots
Heretic, Bad Luck, Spellbreaker, Steal Heart Last Song
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Comic Relief Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Draw Out PA Save Attack UP Warpath
For a "joke" team or at least a team that she didn't expect to do well, Celdia actually got decently far and did decently well. It's just that Shadowstrike's team did too much damage for her to handle, especially G the Monk who also has far too much range. Her Chemist having Ninjutsu, Shadowstrike's Dancer & Monk getting back up quickly when they went done and Faith Rod's Faith working against her Oracle is what specifically lost her the match. That first round was lost almost solely to G's Earth Slashes though.
It's kind of amusing to see that she essentially won the second round primarily because her Monk who otherwise kept missing the Dancer hit said Dancer with Kiyomori early on. That Reraise loop was rather annoying though, which is exactly part of reason why Reraise the ability shouldn't be 0 CT. Celdia's Monk got relatively unlucky otherwise, at rather crucial times too. Still, she did at least take round two.
I have to wonder if she would have won round three and thus the match had Secret Fist not missed the Priest, even with Shadowstrike's Dancer having Reraise.
Not much else to say about this outside of being a bit weird see the only Phoenix Blade go. I honestly expected a lot more people to use it, not that I'm aggrieved to see that not be the case. I'm similarly not sad to see it go, but it was nice to see someone at least try to use Last Song.
Regardless, between Reks and Celdia doing better than me while claiming to have worse teams they supposedly just kinda of threw together, the message is clear: Aim for the lowest goal possible rather than have any expectations of hope or focus in mind. Truly a truthful and life-affirming insight (that I already knew).
Arm Aim, Seal Evil, Head Break, Armor Break, Weapon Break Quickening, Steal Heart, Steal Accessry
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Serena Female Gemini 40 70 Time Mage White Magic Damage Split Short Charge Move-MP Up Rainbow Staff
Black Hood Robe of Lords Cursed Ring
Haste 2, Slow 2, Sinkhole, Balance Raise 2, Esuna
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Haha at the first things that happened being everyone but the Paladin on VireBlaze's team getting Slowed by a single Slow 2 and then DomieV's Time mage getting her Cursed Ring stolen and almost killed by Holy because of it. I have to wonder if Vireblaze could have won round one had the Time Mage gotten hit with Charm or Sleep given how unlucky he got outside of hitting Mimic Daravon on two units simultaneously twice. I mean, The Sheriff the Squire couldn't really dodge anything save for that single Slow 2 for all the evasion he had. Shades of reinoe's fight with Fenire, only without guaranteed hits.
Speaking of luck, DomieV's Archer generally got rather fortunate with dodging things & generally didn't care about being Charmed since she kept Quickening (ugh) herself. Mimic Daravon also worked out really well in round two for Arthur given how long he got stuck fighting half of Vireblaze's team in the form of The Bishop the Priest and The Knight the Paladin; he almost outright killed them both with the resultant Southern Cross due to Sleep's damage bonus.
Even Vireblaze getting rather lucky with Charm status and The Knight's HP Restore going off didn't really do anything for him, especially since his Bard both got relatively unlucky and decided to be a dumb-ass. I swear, it's like half of the time the A.I. deigns to use Insult, the go after the worst possible unit to Berserk.
Anyway, it's a bit telling how one-sided the second round actually was that causal Balances from the no-longer-Undead Time Mage actually proved a deciding factor. Funny how she would have just died from The Bishop's Holy would have killed her if The Prince the Bard had just hit her with Fairy Harp instead of trying to oddly kill the Critical, just-Charmed Archer. Sigh. Why are you so dumb at times even on things you aren't blind too, A.I.?
Finally, ending on oddities, I still don't understand why the A.I. insists on using equipment Breaks on units without that particular piece of equipment as just another way to regularly attack instead of just attacking normally. DomieV's Archer kept using Weapon Break on The Knight despite the fact that he's a Martial Arts Paladin with only his fists as weapon. Is the A.I. just trying to spice up its artificial life by using something that's essentially the same thing, sort of like (trophy) wife-swapping between suburban W.A.S.P.s?
(reinoe) Team: 10 Gauge Palettes: Yellow/White
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Unit 1 Male Scorpio 70 55 Thief Item Counter Two Hands Fly Platinum Sword
Given how horribly the first round started off for Otabo, I thought it would be over much quicker. Then Raise 2 and Stigma Magic happened to get rid of the Monk being Dead and Charm & Poison & Blind respectively. And then I saw how laughably little damage the Blast Gun did to Otabo's Mediator before Otabo's Thief Charmed both reinoe's Thief and Ninja, who both promptly teamed-up to kill the Time Mage. That was when I figured it wasn't going to be that clear-cut at all.
Despite being a quite good back-and-forth, there's not really much to say about the actual fighting itself since this is one of those matches where it could be close either way and thus Charm was usually a lot more devastating than it might normally be. The good compatibility also meant that much of the back-and-forth was "just" sandbagging given how easily the Ninja could kill the Mediator and Cursed Ring being in play on Otabo's side as well as reinoe's Thief having a one time Reraise. That reinoe's Insulted Thief got almost immediately put to Sleep in the first round also made that round longer than it most likely would have been otherwise despite reinoe still managing to win the round anyway.
I suppose the rounds were also slowed down a bit by Innocent lasting so long, meaning the overpowered Blast Gun did jack all damage to half of Otabo's team for most of the match; of course, that's assuming it hit at all given Otabo's Thief also has Projectile Guard. The laughable 35~ damage it was doing to his Mediator, however, was still enough to negate Phoenix Down. There was also a lot of Sinkhole from Perria the Priest and generally undoing statuses on both side, including Charm, rather than letting it "ride", at least where it could.
*looks at Insult and Death Sentence*
Otabo's Monk also having HP Restore kinda slowed down things as well. I have to wonder if he still would have won the second round had it not gone off or had Insult not hit the Archer. (Or had reinoe's Archer just waited for the Ninja to lose Charm rather than using Hawk's Eye to basically kill him for reinoe.) Shrug.
The third round just saw Otabo getting steamrolled because reinoe finally got Haste 2 off on his entire team in one go and Otabo got less lucky with Talk Skill while his team rushed ahead to risk using it as the A.I. is wont to do. Also, Death Sentence on the Ninja kinda backfired due to the A.I. ignoring units with that status. Oh well. Match-ups were good compatibility is a factor are usually kind of quick, so I'm more surprised that this match ended up taking so long, relatively speaking.
*looks at DomieV's next match with dread*
It's a shame to see Otabo go given he usually makes good teams, but I'm not at all unhappy to see another team with Quickening and (the current form of) Cursed Ring go. Those things can burn.
I've only now realized that I was capitalizing "Teams" and "Commentary" in the spoiler titles before. Figures. I'm not going to back and fix that, at least not right now.
Yeah, sorry. I kind of default to sarcasm for most things, even if I'm being blunt, and the Internet's--well, text's--utter lack of audible tone only exacerbates that. As long as it helped a bit, then I suppose that's good. At least I had a bit of a semi-legitimate excuse to not be concise for once.
Noted and thanks. It's useful to know some other poor unfortunate can endure my abrasive, demonic walls of text.
That said, I'll probably disappear again at some point though; it's rather inevitable. It's just a question of whether I disappear sooner than later and for how long.
I'll try to stick around to at least the end of the tournament though.
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Post by: Barren on September 13, 2014, 12:52:27 pm
FFT Arena Season 3 AI Tournament Loser's Bracket Match 25 - Zotis vs DomieV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5i7GRCjiCo&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Reks on September 13, 2014, 03:36:02 pm
That was a complete reversal of what happened before.
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Post by: Barren on September 17, 2014, 12:02:30 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Bracket Match 27 - CT5Holy vs DomieV (http://youtu.be/FqB_UKnUkIQ)
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Post by: Otabo on September 17, 2014, 06:54:13 pm
Cursed Ring at its best. For sure that was the greatest comeback I've seen in quite some time. Time Mage and the female archer share the title of MVP no doubt; the instant Raise 2 on the archer, then the Arm Aim on the male archer, then the charm on the ninja!? Epic stuff.
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Post by: reinoe on September 17, 2014, 09:22:42 pm
DomieV is having a cinderalla season! Holy cow. I'm scared because I made some errors when I created my team.
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Post by: DomieV on September 18, 2014, 09:33:09 am
Holy shit what comeback I made in round 1! Makes me feel bad for CT5Holy that arm aim and charm screwed him over but I needed those to win. I guess the AI will resort to anything, GG CT5Holy. That was a fun encounter.
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Post by: Fenire on September 18, 2014, 09:50:07 am
That was an epic first round to be sure. What a comeback.
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Post by: TrueLight on September 18, 2014, 12:20:53 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Semi Finals - DomieV vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/sRvMq8FNLjc)
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Post by: Leif1991 on September 18, 2014, 12:51:53 pm
Wow, DomieV is guaranteed third at worst in this tournament. Congrats.
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Post by: reinoe on September 18, 2014, 01:29:02 pm
Ugh. Those were some terrible choices my team was making. Oh well, considering the RNG favoritism I was getting last tournament I can't be mad. It was a good run.
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Post by: Barren on September 18, 2014, 02:47:45 pm
For those who have been waiting for the winner's bracket finals between Leif1991 and Dokurider I will get started on it sometime during tomorrow evening when I get out of work and should be up by either that night or this weekend. CT5Holy will handle the championship match afterwards.
Also either Zotis or TrueLight will do the loser's bracket finals at some point soon. So with the remaining three left take your pick on whose going to win the whole thing. Will it be one of the two favorites or the underdog?
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Post by: TristanBeoulve on September 18, 2014, 07:25:48 pm
Wow, I can't believe it's almost over. I haven't watched any matches since my elimination, so....... damn.
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Post by: Barren on September 19, 2014, 08:08:07 pm
Here it is folks!
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Match 31 - Leif1991 vs Dokurider (http://youtu.be/MBzBO1TYA3Y)
This is Barren signing off
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Post by: Dokurider on September 19, 2014, 09:37:20 pm
Well the battle was well met, Leif. I attached Projectile Guard to the wrong unit, it's as simple as that. My summoner needed it more.
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Post by: Leif1991 on September 19, 2014, 10:02:21 pm
Wow, I thought lost Round 1; I was lucky. GG Dokurider, don't feel bad about Projectile Guard being on the wrong unit. It's hard to really know what one's team is weak against. Plus, I'd argue that Projectile guard is a smarter reaction ability because it blocks against both the Blaze Gun and Seal Evil for your undead Thief.
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Post by: reinoe on September 20, 2014, 02:34:14 am
No offense to Dokurider or Leif1991, but I want DomieV to win. He lost his first match of the tournament and has been riding the DoomTrain ever since. He even came back to defeat the person who put him on the train after his first loss. For sheer awesome story potential, I'd like DomieV to take it.
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Post by: DomieV on September 20, 2014, 05:55:20 am
Charm did it again for me. I'm really on a roll aren't I? GG reinoe and thanks for the praise. But I fear my chances even more than I did before because of who I have to face in order to get off the doom train alive. Needless to say I'm pumped but nervous as hell
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Post by: TrueLight on September 23, 2014, 09:39:28 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Loser's Finals (http://youtu.be/2qaOHZXJczo)
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Post by: Otabo on September 23, 2014, 11:09:36 pm
ARE THEY GODS!? CAN THEY NOT BE DESTROYED!? The dream lives on!
Seriously - yet another great matchup. Round 3 especially; it was looking bleak for DomieV until the paladin decided to Leeeeroy Jenkins up to that summoner and Southern Cross her face in and the archer's 31% Seal Evil hitting the thief through Projectile Guard. Couldn't have come at a better moment for DomieV. Time Mage went for the Raise 2 - as expected, and she got midcharged - as expected. Match was over at that point since Phoenix Down can only do so much, and with the paladin still up, it was inevitable that the chemist was going to get put to sleep at some point.
Amazing match.
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Post by: CT5Holy on September 23, 2014, 11:21:37 pm
Wow!
Holy crap R3, I thought it was over for DomieV when Doku landed the triple-kill Titan! But a timely Holy proc from the Archer, and the Seal Evil too!
Great match.
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Post by: Otabo on September 24, 2014, 01:12:42 am
Oh yeah, that triple kill Titan. That was pretty sick.
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Post by: Leif1991 on September 24, 2014, 02:45:45 am
Good luck DomieV. See you in the next match..
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Post by: Barren on September 24, 2014, 05:57:06 am
Congrats Domie for making it all the way to the championship match. This could be history in the making
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Post by: Dokurider on September 24, 2014, 10:40:47 pm
Welp, yet another tournament title just barely slips away from my grasp. I think what I should have done was run a Nether Wizard instead of a Summoner so I can still have high damage AoE yet resist Spellguns. Actually, my main flaw in team construction was overestimating the strength of Raise 2 and not putting my units in the proper slots like I was going to. Damn it, well, I'll get to be champ next year. You guys will see.
In any case, best of luck to both DomieV and Leif1991.
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Post by: Leif1991 on September 25, 2014, 12:40:49 am
Welp, yet another tournament title just barely slips away from my grasp. I think what I should have done was run a Nether Wizard instead of a Summoner so I can still have high damage AoE yet resist Spellguns. Actually, my main flaw in team construction was overestimating the strength of Raise 2 and not putting my units in the proper slots like I was going to. Damn it, well, I'll get to be champ next year. You guys will see.
In any case, best of luck to both DomieV and Leif1991.
Hey, you got third in the tournament; that's nothing to sneer at.
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Post by: Barren on September 25, 2014, 06:48:57 am
I can relate to how Doku feels, I finished third in season 1 a couple of yeas ago where I would have wished to use chantage on my archer instead of angel ring because of the sleep procs. But hey can't predict everything like Leif said
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Post by: CT5Holy on September 30, 2014, 06:12:44 pm
Planning to record it tonight, then upload tomorrow.
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Post by: TristanBeoulve on October 01, 2014, 11:11:20 am
Can't wait to watch the finale!
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Post by: CT5Holy on October 01, 2014, 06:13:34 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 3 Grand Finals - Leif1991 (W) vs DomieV (L) (http://youtu.be/PGNgcm7OSSk)
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Post by: Leif1991 on October 01, 2014, 06:54:00 pm
Uhh, the video is private CT5Holy. Can't watch it.. :(
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Post by: CT5Holy on October 01, 2014, 07:16:41 pm
Fixed! Sorry about that.
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Post by: Barren on October 01, 2014, 08:35:39 pm
Hats off to both guys in that match. This told a story definitely. DomieV stuck around as long as he could but Leif keeps getting in his way. I thought for a moment DomieV had a chance in the final match but unfortunately Leif nailed those don't acts in round 2 and the archer wasn't much of use since she kept running away. DomieV has nothing to be ashamed of and Leif has a lot to be proud of. Congrats to out new champion and congrats to DomieV as well. Great job guys
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Post by: DomieV on October 01, 2014, 08:42:31 pm
Hats off to you Lief, you beat me pretty decisively, though I was miffed that my archer didn't attack more often than she should have even with your thief in range when both of our girls were in critical. I won't complain too much about it though because like Barren said I have nothing to be ashamed off. I had a awesome run here and pull off some miracles but I guess the clock struck midnight for me
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Post by: Leif1991 on October 01, 2014, 10:16:35 pm
Ahahahahahaha! Oh my gosh. That was incredibly intense. I thought I lost. Your team was so amazing DomieV. You made me lose lots of matches there, which no one did this tournament. You were, by far, my toughest opponent. I'm happy to be the champion of Season 3! Thanks y'all!
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Post by: Barren on October 02, 2014, 05:14:40 am
Come to think of it since the final match did go 7 bouts in 2 matches why not for season 4 our final matchup be a single best of 7?
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Post by: Reks on October 02, 2014, 08:14:44 am
Because that may not be necessary, and it kinda favors the loser's bracket finalist.
Then again, I'm bad at tournaments, so.
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Post by: Shintroy on October 02, 2014, 08:41:07 pm
Is the JP limit still 3000? Why do some teams cap near 5000 JP?
Grand Finals was sick by the way. The first set was extremely one sided in the underdog's team favor.
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Post by: Otabo on October 02, 2014, 11:27:03 pm
Because there was no JP cap for this specific tournament.
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Post by: CT5Holy on October 03, 2014, 01:54:08 am
Hi guys top 8 stats here and I'm lazy so it's probably super messy and unreadable or something:
Head: chakra band 2 thief hat 7 flash hat 4 golden hairpin 6 holy miter 2 twist 2 black hood 3 crystal helm barbuta green beret 3 cross helmet
Body: black costume 5 power sleeve 5 wiz outfit robe of lords 3 santa outfit 2 white robe 6 wizard robe 2 diamond armor chameleon robe linen robe brigandine gold armor silk robe rubber costume black robe
Accessories: cherche 3 setiemson 6 cursed ring 6 red shoes n-kai def ring 4 magic ring 2 108 gems diamond armlet 2 feather mantle 2 angel ring sprint shoes dracula mantle wizard mantle
The 3 spellgunners all had kaiser plate, MAUP, pilgrimage. 2 of them had punch art secondary with the same two skills (stigma magic and revive) Aside from zotis' summoner, all other units with DO secondary had masamune I was the only player in top 8 to not have someone with time magic or short charge Half of the armor was worn by units with equip armor (in other words, abysmal representation from the armored classes, although I guess there's only like 3 of them anyway so it's not actually that surprising) Basically everyone used the same secondaries (doku with lore and reinoe with basic skill are the exceptions) To no one's surprise, everyone had a unit with move-hp up and move-mp up Esuna was on everyone's team! Maybe not that surprising either. The most commonly used weapon was H Bag! Units with white magic secondary were either Time Mages (4) or Oracles (2) The two priests both had time magic secondary The 5 thieves all had quickening, steal heart, and steal accessory. all units with steal had quickening and steal heart (sorry steal accessory!) The archers all agreed that arm aim and seal evil were a must Only 2 of the 6 item users had ether. poor ether The wizard isn't even used for damage, just frog The Damned is probably going to say something like "well, good to see ____ (chameleon robe? who knows) was used, dunno why it isn't used more" and "not as much quickening/cursed ring/2H katar thieves/kagesougi ninjas/spellguns as i expected" find your own!