Final Fantasy Hacktics

For those of you who missed the stream and don't wanna wait, you can always catch the recording on twitch here http://www.twitch.tv/ffmaster/b/431058519. The matches start at around 31:45.

No that's not what I'm saying at all XD. I'm saying that all 6 possible combinations of:

S-M-L
S-L-M
M-S-L
M-L-S
L-S-M
L-M-S

will always produce the same winners in every contest. If somebody is going to win say, the large map and the medium map, then whether or not they do those first or last isn't going to change the ultimate outcome. The idea that by changing the order we'll favor one team over another isn't really the case, so it doesn't matter what order we decide upon.

As for your point of about making matches more interesting I don't disagree, I was mainly just trying to point out that arguments about competitive advantage didn't really need to happen.

What I'm trying to say Dokurider, is that as long as we have a combination of Small/Medium/Large, the order of things will not change the outcome. I'm definitely not arguing for something like all medium or all large, especially since registration ends tomorrow.

Honestly what does it matter? The order isn't going to change the outcome of any battle anyway. If a team can only win in large maps they're going to lose no matter when the large map fight takes place. And if they can win either the small or medium map along with the large map, then they'll win no matter when the fight takes place.

If you're going to take probable outcomes into consideration, then you should base map order off of what you think would create the largest amount of 2-0 victories to lessen the burden on the members who will be recording videos.

Edit: Of course that only matters if were using 1 of each map type.

Main Team



Experimental Teams

Seems kinda lame to be using the same team from last season, but it's my own fault for not being more active.

Anyway I'd appreciate it if someone could put the team I Forgot the Name of through its paces.

I think 1.38 would be the better bet. Not only would you have to wait for 1.39 to come out otherwise, but there'd also have to be a window of time allowed for people to rebuild their teams to adjust to the changes. Tournaments in general seem like a better idea for the end of a patch rather than the beginning.

Little late in saying this, but thanks to Doku and Barren for the vids earlier. I was mainly throwing things out there to see how they actually work, so even though it was a bit of a train wreck, I did get some ideas for tweaking. And took some of Doku's suggestions.

Which I had not realized you were doing those write ups until just now Dokurider, that's some dedication.

From what I remember as a lurker, it wasn't that Phoenix Down was a problem, but that Poison was a rather worthless status effect and it was thought that making it persist after death and act as a counter to PD would make it a more viable option to use.

I can see all three videos. I'm in the U.S.

Well that was pretty quick. Much appreciated Otabo. And yeah I forgot the name, only record I had of the team was from the Season 1 Tournament thread.

I have sort of a random suggestion to throw out there. I think there might be some use in a -1 movement accessory. There are certain builds that don't really act the way you'd want because the AI marches them forward when they'd better serve their purpose if they held back. Having a way to force certain units to hang in the back without giving them iron boots seems like it'd be useful, if perhaps a little niche in use.

Nothing much to say about the Zareb matches that isn't obvious. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with the team working as intended. I really should look at the list of possible changes before I get too attached to messing around with my teams, but it's fun to tinker around with things.

Much appreciated Otabo, gotta admit those little comments of "double kill" and "rampage" get me every time.

I wouldn't mind seeing your team against my new Buff Mages team Barren, unless I'm misreading you and you wanted somebody else to do videos for you?

With the return of Monsters, will the squire ability Monster Skill see a return? Or is it just not workable even if you modify it? Seems like this skill would have a lot of potential depending on how easy it is to mess with it.

Quick question about bombs, will they have absorb fire?

There seems to be a desire to make use out of Undead units and to build some synergy from them here, if that's the case I'd suggest having an undead monster capable of buffing the undead. The Ghost is already partially filling this role, so I'd say commit to it fully and ditch the add undead skills or add them to another monster. I notice Ghouls aren't on your list. Instead give the ghost a Dark AoE for healing and perhaps something that can raise PA/MA only for zombies and something to add haste/something else beneficial. While it may make sense thematically for the undead to inflict undead on their enemies, any team built with an undead focus will not be the best equipped to kill undead. It will create a situation where teams will have to include units with Raise 2 and Cure's to do damage which really shouldn't be the way an undead team fights. If there is a way to include charm with zombie it might work out smoother, though may make the move a tad overpowered.

One last little comment about undead units that doesn't really belong in this thread, but sort of goes with what I'm saying above. I feel as though a 100% chance of rising again from death when the timer hits 0 is a worthy trade off for not being able to raise your units in any other way. As long as units don't rez with full health it shouldn't be exploitable, as they'd still resurrect far less often than a team with a simple Phoenix down, and be easily brought down by the enemy team if it holds an advantage. It just seems to me that as it is now, even with an attempt to make undead units more attractive of an option, that harsh death issue is going to keep them underused.