Projects => Completed Mods => FFT Arena => Topic started by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 03:48:46 am
Title: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 03:48:46 am
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8044/fftarenalogoenlarged.png) (http://www.youtube.com/ffhackticstournament) ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋S 1 ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏T O U R N A M E N T♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Hosted by Avalanche, Barren, CT5Holy, Dol, Fanatic, Gaignun, and Wiz
Legend
Red = Winner's/Regular Bracket Commentators
Blue = Loser's Bracket Commentators
Yellow = Helpers who structured S1 and put the pieces together
Extra Notes
Wiz = Made this page via copy/paste and S1 Intro clip. Also made slight alterations to the patch such as disabling of weather effects and changing unit placement on a few of the maps. CT5Holy = Checked/Registered, and put the data of the individual teams in spoilers, and made S1 registration page via copy/paste Gaignun = Randomized maps for all matches (includes Winner's + Loser's Bracket and Final Match; X videos in total, Y-Z rounds in total) and generated Winner's/Loser's brackets.
And of course everyone else for giving input and those who put their foot forward making the transition from pussified silly boy/girl to a merciless warrior ready to shed blood :mrgreen:
FFH Season 1 Youtube Account (http://www.youtube.com/ffhackticstournament) (You can also click on the 137b image to get there too)
Match 1 - Leif1991 vs Taichii (http://youtu.be/i7e1CJKmu5w) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (080) Araguay Woods
Match 2 - st4rw4k3r vs mucus (http://youtu.be/cYJoRa7xWyc) S: (103) Windmill Shed L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (095) Church
Match 3 - Eternal248 vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/AJaZrVm47nM) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle
Match 4 - LightningHax vs Kihaku_FTW (http://youtu.be/Gx6KL00spw8) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (017) Underground Cemetery of Limberry Castle
Match 5 - FFMaster vs Dome (http://youtu.be/ofZ0W6-9DPk) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (077) Lenalia Plateau
Match 6 - fattyzila vs Fantactic1316 (http://youtu.be/zj2EAs9g47Q) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (125) Checkerboard Stairs M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse
Match 7 - dinosaur vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/65mAG8R6rbk) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2
Match 8 - The Damned vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&fmt=18&v=NOT7LgDT85o#t=37s) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
Match 9 - Havermayer vs iamBQB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE1gTo9HtiQ&fmt=18) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (110) VALKYRIES M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
Match 10 - Vigilanti vs Avalanche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwN1mFmmsas&fmt=18) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (106) DELTA M: (002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
Match 11 - Kagebunji vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53YHEaZ71Q&fmt=18) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (035) Zaland Fort City
Match 12 - LordBobBree vs Vireblaze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPfNtJvQKyo&fmt=18) S: (041) Besrodio's House L: (045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: (027) Goland Coal City
Match 13 - Ryason55 vs Xeno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ2SPgiR_o8&fmt=18) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (091) Thieves Fort
Match 14 - Celdia vs Dynablade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-Qhu56gvU&fmt=18) S: (096) Pub L: (088) Finath River M: (016) Inside of Limberry Castle
Match 15 - Gaignun vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/q2fpWvm901M) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (037) Ruins Outside Zaland M: (040) Slums in Goug
Match 16 - Shade vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/v3ZLbZ6b2Q0) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (079) Yuguo Woods
Match 17 - jansported vs mucus (http://youtu.be/NlFJtGdaeDE) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor
Match 18 - Otabo vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/Fy49i9ZR4KU) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (105) TERMINATE M: (069) Murond Death City
Match 19 - Squidgy vs LightningHax (http://youtu.be/0rOLxCQnGV4) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Match 20 - Angelus vs FFMaster (http://youtu.be/hHiJTYltDaE) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (072) Fovoham Plains
Match 21 - Wiz vs Fantactic1316 (http://youtu.be/s-1minZlRD0) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (010) Inside of Igros Castle
Match 22 - DomieV vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/vklXXBRxwwc) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Match 23 - AeroGP vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uedJkMWRFik&feature=g-u-u) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (029) Colliery Underground Second Floor M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
Match 24 - Fanatic vs Pride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DRqcxtmo5Y&feature=youtu.be) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (090) Germinas Peak
Match 25 - Dol vs iamBQB (http://youtu.be/RXEALNkAlyQ) S: (096) Pub L: (109) BRIDGE M: (022) Magic City Gariland
Match 26 - Barren vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/d9vIk9h1cfo) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (031) Dorter Trade City
Match 27 - FDC vs Frisky Dingo (http://youtu.be/PuCIjkzGM84) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (106) DELTA M: (003) Hall of St. Murond Temple
Match 28 - CT5Holy vs VireBlaze (http://youtu.be/Qmaq86mmMLc) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (029) Colliery Underground Second Floor M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Match 29 - Pierce vs Xeno (http://youtu.be/Aix6q6i38-0) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (032) Slums in Dorter
Match 30 - Skiploom188 vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/H1YpelBPY0Q) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (075) Bervenia Volcano
Match 31 - Gaignun vs Shade (http://youtu.be/udX2gtoRiDo) S: (103) Windmill Shed L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (048) Slums in Zarghidas
Match 32 - mucus vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/oICics1oe0s) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (109) BRIDGE M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor
Match 33 - Squidgy vs Angelus (http://youtu.be/CDdauOk2_Rk) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (110) VALKYRIES M: (072) Fovoham Plains
Match 34 - Wiz vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/tnD4JSj3Oew) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (035) Zaland Fort City
Match 35 - AeroGP vs Fanatic (http://youtu.be/Ky1eZohH1Og) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Match 36 - iamBQB vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/VHfT6Dc_rcw) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (080) Araguay Woods
Match 37 - formerdeathcorps vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/3lpv1Qr0ctw) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (091) Thieves Fort
Match 38 - Xeno vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/qV7-xdG2t2A) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2
Match 39 - Gaignun vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/OnZrn0_p94g) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
Match 40 - Squidgy vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/oKJPPWOCFRE) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Match 41 - Fanatic vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/vjQfixcItA8) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (088) Finath River M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse
Match 42 - formerdeathcorps vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/sIx_JoGy4bo) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (037) Ruins Outside Zaland M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
Match 43 - Gaignun vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/UT1OCwQ6BKM) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (125) Checkerboard Stairs M: (048) Slums in Zarghidas
Match 44 - Avalanche vs formerdeathcorps (http://youtu.be/XsQXihjViv0) S: (041) Besrodio's House L: (105) TERMINATE M: (017) Underground Cemetery of Limberry Castle
Match 45 - Gaignun vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/Cbhrvy04CaI) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: (010) Inside of Igros Castle
Match 46 - LightningHax vs Kagebunji (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-yZD2YwztE&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=5&feature=plcp) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (027) Goland Coal City
Match 47 - FFMaster vs LordBobBree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1G8PT153ag&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=4&feature=plcp) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (016) Inside of Limberry Castle
Match 48 - Fantactic1316 vs Ryason55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_du1TlcZN9Y&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=3&feature=plcp) S: (041) Besrodio's House L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (077) Lenalia Plateau
Match 49 - DomieV vs Dynablade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okNvmJWbY3g&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Match 50 - Leif1991 vs The Damned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERKF983fqBM) S: (096) Pub L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (032) Slums in Dorter
Match 51 - Jansported vs Havermayer (http://youtu.be/axUPxI7P8rQ) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (095) Church
Match 52 - Otabo vs Vigilanti (http://youtu.be/tQyiJEu9X-0) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
Match 53 - The Frisky Dingo vs Kihaku_FTW (http://youtu.be/5wL_kxwbpmM) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (075) Bervenia Volcano
Match 54 - VireBlaze vs Dome (http://youtu.be/ERzun_Qscug) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (003) Hall of St. Murond Temple
Match 55 - Pierce vs Fattyzilla (http://youtu.be/V3VXrvWqpzI) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle
Match 56 - Skiploom188 vs Dinosaur (http://youtu.be/HSvzR1ePKj4) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (090) Germinas Peak
Match 57 - Reks vs Taichi (http://youtu.be/iSc7-pKty_8) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (040) Slums in Goug
Match 58 - Dol vs St4rw4k3r (http://youtu.be/wsgGTrDX9Yg) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
Match 59 - Barren vs Eternal248 (http://youtu.be/NVJY8dsxw2s) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (079) Yuguo Woods
Match 60 - LightningHax vs LordBobBree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2IkDDrZBjk&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=2&feature=plcp) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (088) Finath River M: (022) Magic City Gariland
Match 61 - Ryason55 vs DomieV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIw4DHif3JQ&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: (069) Murond Death City
Match 62 - TrueLight vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/Do6R2YGVgk4) S: (103) Windmill Shed L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (031) Dorter Trade City
Match 63 - jansported vs Vigilanti (http://youtu.be/hxEQm_VH_rs) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (110) VALKYRIES M: (001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle
Match 64 -The Frisky Dingo vs VireBlaze (http://youtu.be/IK0bHJOL1F8) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (040) Slums in Goug
Match 65 - Pierce vs Dinosaur (http://youtu.be/OXOfYs2XvDc) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Match 66 - Pride vs Taichii (http://youtu.be/5LpImlfGL2Q) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (105) TERMINATE M: (079) Yuguo Woods
Match 67 - Dol vs Barren (http://youtu.be/1jkygqcV4ic) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (075) Bervenia Volcano
Match 68 - iamBQB vs LordBobBree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQNwZ2YNLU&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=2&feature=plcp) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (031) Dorter Trade City
Match 69 - AeroGP vs DomieV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOrNaWQBJM&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2
Match 70 - Xeno vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/AYxFewZ_eSI) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (029) Colliery Underground Second Floor M: (027) Goland Coal City
Match 71 - CT5Holy vs Vigilanti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uR_ycmXhwA) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (037) Ruins Outside Zaland M: (069) Murond Death City
Match 72 - mucus vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxhXMhSOjZo) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (090) Germinas Peak
Match 73 - Shade vs Pierce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8cF6jiG0Uo) S: (103) Windmill Shed L: (106) DELTA M: (077) Lenalia Plateau
Match 74 - Shadowstrike vs Taichii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQRME48zE4&feature=relmfu) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (109) BRIDGE M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Match 75 - Angelus vs Barren (http://youtu.be/pOrDHOEwNXQ) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (125) Checkerboard Stairs M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Match 76 - iamBQB vs AeroGP (http://youtu.be/stNAij7nHi8) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (048) Slums in Zarghidas
Match 77 - Leif1991 vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/J4KGQtMm7UQ) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (088) Finath River M: (091) Thieves Fort
Match 78 - the frisky dingo vs Shade (http://youtu.be/gl-UT2Mpu00) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (080) Araguay Woods
Match 79 - Shadowstrike vs Barren (http://youtu.be/AQnbClmelRY) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (032) Slums in Dorter
Match 80 - dacheat vs iamBQB (http://youtu.be/OXLFQBM4uvU) Match 80 S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (010) Inside of Igros Castle
Match 81 - Squidgy vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/bs_4UuIJNdA) S: (096) Pub L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (016) Inside of Limberry Castle
Match 82 - Fanatic v Shade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngg9DG9jhgc) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (125) Checkerboard Stairs M: (002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
Match 83 - Celdia vs Barren (http://youtu.be/fHNkd9-yuUU) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse
Match 84 - iamBQB vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/Khf_pL5iFg4) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (105) TERMINATE M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
Match 85 - Shade vs Barren (http://youtu.be/2KNj6SM6bbg) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (109) BRIDGE M: (003) Hall of St. Murond Temple
Match 86 - formerdeathcorps vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/EpDBNqrb8Xc) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (022) Magic City Gariland
Match 87 - Wiz vs Barren (http://youtu.be/gsEslm-pmYA) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor
Match 88 - CT5Holy vs Barren (http://youtu.be/924QChJiQjw) S: (041) Besrodio's House L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (017) Underground Cemetery of Limberry Castle
Match 89 - Avalanche vs Barren (http://youtu.be/YpD4xQRrK20) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
Match 90 - Gaignun vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/BgK8bB90oHE) S: (096) Pub L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia M: (035) Zaland Fort City M: (072) Fovoham Plains
Match 91 - Gaignun vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/r_38h5UAsoA) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (095) Church M: (075) Bervenia Volcano M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 03:49:00 am
Entrants
Primary: 2 Secondary: 0
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Jack male aries 70 55 archer ninjitsu abandon attack up move-mp up glacier gun kaiser plate twist headband black costume vanish mantle
arm aim, head break kagesougi
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King male aries 70 55 chemist draw out auto potion equip shield move-hp up romanda gun venetian shield thief hat brigandine n-kai armlet
Ling Male Aquarius 70 55 Thief Item Awareness Equip Shield Move-HP Up Main Gauche Escutcheon II Green Beret Black Costume Small Mantle
Quickening Hi-Potion, X-Potion, Hi-Ether, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Primary: 0 Secondary: 1
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Mediator Male Serpentarius 40 55 Mediator Draw Out Projectile Guard Defense Up Move-HP Up P Bag
Thief Hat Black Costume Setiemson
Blackmail Kiyomori, Masamune
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Priest Female Serpentarius 40 70 Priest Yin Yang Magic Absorb MP Equip Shield Move-MP Up Mace of Zeus Ice Shield Golden Hairpin Black Costume Vanish Mantle
Raise 2, Esuna, Holy Blind, Paralyze
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Dancer Female Serpentarius 40 55 Dancer Punch Art Auto Potion Unyielding
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 03:49:09 am
Winners Bracket
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 1 Leif1991 vs Taichii (http://youtu.be/i7e1CJKmu5w) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 2 st4rw4k3r vs mucus (http://youtu.be/cYJoRa7xWyc) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 3 Eternal248 vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/AJaZrVm47nM) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 4 LightningHax vs Kihaku_FTW (http://youtu.be/Gx6KL00spw8) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 5 FFMaster vs Dome (http://youtu.be/ofZ0W6-9DPk) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 6 fattyzila vs Fantactic1316 (http://youtu.be/zj2EAs9g47Q) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 7 dinosaur vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/65mAG8R6rbk) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 8 The Damned vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&fmt=18&v=NOT7LgDT85o#t=37s) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 9 Havermayer vs iamBQB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE1gTo9HtiQ&fmt=18) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 10 Vigilanti vs Avalanche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwN1mFmmsas&fmt=18) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 11 Kagebunji vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53YHEaZ71Q&fmt=18) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 12 LordBobBree vs Vireblaze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPfNtJvQKyo&fmt=18) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 13 Ryason55 vs Xeno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ2SPgiR_o8&fmt=18) FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 14 Celdia vs Dynablade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-Qhu56gvU&fmt=18)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dome on May 01, 2012, 04:00:13 am
Crap, I'm against FFMaster >_>
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: dacheat on May 01, 2012, 04:06:59 am
Hype! Going up against Eternal's double Mime team first. I don't really know what to expect since I've only seen one mime team before.
Bracket challenge anyone? I doubt it'd turn out as bad as my NCAA Basketball one did this year... :P
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Eternal on May 01, 2012, 04:14:15 am
This is gonna be fun! Good luck, dacheat!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: dacheat on May 01, 2012, 04:17:14 am
Seriously though: Good luck, and may the best AI manipulator win. :D
When should the first round matches start rolling in? Thursday?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 04:18:46 am
Two notes to kick things off:
Be sure to review your team as it appears in the list of entrants. There is a possibility text was scrambled as it passed from one set of hands to another during preparation.
If your team colours are 0 and 1, it is most likely because I did not receive your colour info. If your colours are 0 and 1 and you're sure you requested different ones, notify your host before he casts your match so he can make the appropriate adjustment, and notify me so I can update your team in the list of entrants.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Kihaku_FTW on May 01, 2012, 04:19:25 am
Good Luck to everyone!
This is going to be a blast...
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Eternal on May 01, 2012, 05:02:23 am
Topic stickied.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 01, 2012, 05:18:31 am
This bracket is better than last year. I have a tough first-round match, but after that, things are looking up until Round 5/6. I will root for Eternal to be my final opponent though.
Oh, and Ryason55, your monk has illegal gear.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Ryason55 on May 01, 2012, 06:17:34 am
Huh, only two other people running Mimes in this.
[There was a wall of text here concerning my upcoming opponent... but there's a discussion thread for a reason]
Quote from: formerdeathcorpsOh, and Ryason55, your monk has illegal gear.
Was wondering what the heck you were talking about... and then I remember Monks having a lack of some type of equipment in Vanilla FFT. Gah, freak'n headgear. Guess I'll stick a pretty Ribbon on him instead of a logical Twist Headband. The Master Guide was confusing in that regard; it says "Hdbnd", while "Ribbon" would've been better understood.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on May 01, 2012, 06:56:14 am
Pri Average = 9.2 (5.0%) ie. at perfect balance, 9.2 units will be assigned each primary skill set Sec Average = 9.5 (5.3%) ie. at perfect balance, 9.5 units (excluding mimes) will be assigned each secondary skill set NoPri := Primary skill set is empty
Job Pri (%) Sec (%) NoPri Comments Squire 03 (01.6) 02 (01.1) 00 All squires have Ninjutsu as secondary Chemist 13 (07.1) 31 (17.2) 00 Holy potions Batman! Most popular skill set Paladin 12 (06.5) 05 (02.8) 02 Only 2 know Grand Cross Archer 15 (08.2) 08 (04.4) 01 Monk 14 (07.6) 13 (07.2) 02 Priest 16 (08.7) 24 (13.3) 00 Popularity second to only Chemist Wizard 03 (01.6) 02 (01.1) 00 Least loved mage job; cheering for Wizard teams by default Time Mage 04 (02.2) 07 (03.9) 00 Summoner 04 (02.2) 08 (04.4) 00 Thief 11 (06.0) 12 (06.7) 00 Mediator 08 (04.3) 08 (04.4) 00 Oracle 08 (04.3) 05 (02.8) 00 Geomancer 04 (02.2) 00 (00.0) 00 Least loved non-mage job (shared with Dancer) Lancer 09 (04.9) 01 (00.6) 02 Samurai 13 (07.1) 22 (12.2) 00 31 (89%) know Masamune; 8 (23%) know Masamune and nothing else Ninja 13 (07.1) 17 (09.4) 05 10 know Kagesougi; 5 use it with magic guns Scholar 16 (08.7) 01 (00.6) 00 Don't send another job to do a scholar's work, apparently Bard 11 (06.0) 03 (01.7) 06 55% with empty primary -> Exploited for high base HP, MA Dancer 04 (02.2) 00 (00.0) 00 Least loved non-mage job (shared with Geomancer) Mime 04 (02.2) NA (----) NA
Quote from: Ryason55Guess I'll stick a pretty Ribbon on him instead of a logical Twist Headband.
Updated.
Edit: Fixed a few minor errors in the math.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on May 01, 2012, 09:06:14 am
I'm going to start off the tourney this season. Expect the first match to be on by tomorrow the lastest
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on May 01, 2012, 11:55:28 am
I have to change st4rw4k3r's team a little bit because there are some things about his team that is illegal
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Post by: Barren on May 01, 2012, 12:27:16 pm
To clarify even though the spoiler tells the wizard has one accessory the spreadsheet I got gave her two so I'm removing the accessory that wasn't listed in the spoiler and that I needed to change his lancer's weapon since its not two handed into something else that is. I'll point it out when I upload the video
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dynablade on May 01, 2012, 12:37:35 pm
Awwww snap we Arena (soon)!
I can't wait, and as always thanks for any and all uploads! Don't know how hard it is to set this stuff up, but can be certain it isn't just a wave of a wand, so I appreciate everything you guys do.
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Post by: Taichii on May 01, 2012, 01:22:06 pm
weee can't wait XD
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on May 01, 2012, 02:22:43 pm
(Great. Now everyone can see how shitty my team is. Thanks Gaignun....)
At least I feel less bad about initially forgetting my palette choices if so many people forgot theirs. Let's see how much bitching I can do before the tournament starts and Reks kicks my ass:
1. Avalanche's Team: Does Tam the Bard honestly not have any active skills? I can understand exploiting the high MA just for Counter Flood, but it seems a bit...odd to have Samurai secondary and not have any other Samurai abilities when he also dips into Geomancer and Wizard. Other than that, I feel less bad about using Perfumes as all my units' accessories.
2. Celdia's Team: Only team to use Execute? Hunh. I'm actually surprised anyone's using it at all.
3. dinosaur's Team: Iron Boots on both of the Priests seems an...odd choice.
4. Dome's Team: Hunh. His team is basically the Earth-absorb team that I was going to make...except that it uses Geomancers, has the Scholars being Undead and is vulnerable to Silence(d). Interesting. Makes me wish I had given my Dancers Float after all. It rather figures that no one is using Consecration or Seal Evil. The only team using Cursed Ring?
5. Dynablade's Team: Oh, someone else is using Execute. Hunh. Makes two whole people. The only person using Hawk's Eye?
6. Fanatic's Team: Raise 2 on the Chemist/Priest seems...odd, if understandable. Not sure how to feel about the team otherwise.
7. FFMaster's Team: Oh, so someone is using Seal Evil, even if it seems kinda...random here as opposed to on a unit with a Blood Sword or a Bloody Strings or on a team that tries to inflict Undead.
8. Gaignun's Team: Hunh. Interesting to see someone finally not just go "All Geomancy! Duh!" even if it's quite...risky to only focus on the ones with more broken procs. The only really common one among those four is Carve Model. Also, first person to use Zombie?
9. Havermayer's Team: Oh, okay, someone else is using Seal Evil...still without life drain or Zombification. 'Kay.
10. jansported's Team: Woot. Someone else trying to use Spellbreaker...and Bad Luck...at the same time. I can't help but think this will end in tragedy.
11. Kagebunji's Team: Ugh. That Monk is rather nasty-looking. Glad I'm not that close to it.
12. Kihaku_FTW's Team: The only person to be using Mad Science? Also, that means at least two other people are using Doku no Kyoukai besides myself given that Reks also is.
13. LightningHax's Team: A lone Archer using a normal gun? Man after my own non-heart. Other than that, I'm glad to see someone using Steal Accessory. It would have been quite "ironic" with all the Perfume that's around if no one at all was using it.
14. mucus's Team: Oh, so someone else is using Mad Science. Hunh.
15. Otabo's Team: Finally someone uses Throw Stone. Not that surprising that Sinkhole is a lot more popular, but still.
16. Ryason55's Team: Kinda surprised that people are using Mimes at all to be honest, even more so after seeing none of them are on the "double Wiznaibus" team of horrors past.
17. Shadowstrike's Team: Oh, hey. Someone using Death. Odd to see since it seems like it probably still sucks, but, eh, we'll see.
18. skiploom188's Team: Using Spellbreaker without the distraction of Bad Luck. Should be interesting (if it gets used at all).
19. st4rw4k3r's Team: All that PA gear on the Mediator with a Spell Gun and no (physical) skills or reaction seems...quite the odd choice unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible. Other than that, hey, someone else is using Cursed Ring.
20. Taichii's Team: Okay, someone else is using Hawk Eye's and Zombie, so Seal Evil finally makes sense on a team.
21. The Damned's Team: This team sucks and is going to lose. This person should have obviously just gone with male Monks whoring Unyielding rather than Dancers with Equip Armor that are probably going to act stupidly with two Dances to choice from. He doesn't even have multi-damaging abilities or more than two reactive reactions. What an idiot. Anyway, both instances of "Arrow Guard" should be "Projectile Guard", which is my bad since I'm still not used to it blocking Guns even though that's what I consciously assigned it for. Also, my Palette choice was Green primary and Blue alternate. I PM'd it to CT5Holy separately because I initially forgot it.
22. the frisky dingo's Team: Okay, so someone is using Consecration. Good.
23. TrueLight's Team: More Steal Accessory and Spellbreaker "goodness".
24. VireBlaze's Team: So that's two people using Consecration and four people using Doku no Kyoukai. Interesting.
25. Xeno's Team: Oh, good, someone's using Nameless Dance as well as Greased Bolt. Too bad that Dancer probably won't ever be doing anything else....
Hunh. I honestly expected a lot more Grand Cross abuse and (for some reason) not as much Perfume use, though the other usual suspects of magic guns (alongside Kagesougi), Raise 2, Masamune, Sinkhole and such aren't remotely surprising. I'm somewhat surprised at the amount of Insult & Bullrush, that 3 other people are using Doku No Kyoukai and 2 people are using Execute at all, but that's it.
Of the "useless" techniques that formerdeathcorps outlined, Doku No Kyoukai is seeing the most use (of course, meaning I could have "focused" on something else), followed by Bad Luck and then a single use of Nameless Dance. Still no use of Thief's Heretic or Mediator's Preach & Solution (despite use of pretty much every other Talk Skill) or Bards' Nameless Song (despite all the Bards), but I'm hardly surprised outside of maybe by Nameless Song. I would have tried to build a team around Nameless Song if I had known that was going to happen.
Ugh EDIT: This post now has at least 90% less typos and omissions. This is what happens when I rush longer posts.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dome on May 01, 2012, 02:42:26 pm
@The Damned Not that it changes much, but my team absorbs & Strenghten both Earth and Dark In case someone use float Which accessory/piece of equipment gives immunity to silence?
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Post by: Reks on May 01, 2012, 02:49:35 pm
@Dome I believe that the Magic Ring makes you immune to silence, along with the Robe of Lords..... Golden Hairpin, I think... No, it does something else. Strengthens Dark and Holy. Oh, and the Reflect Ring also grants Silence immunity.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on May 01, 2012, 03:16:46 pm
Sorry for any mistakes I've made/caught late/etc.
Wiz's team concept seems really cool. Pain to watch, probably, but it looks really well thought out.
I'm actually surprised at the number of people using Insult. 3 or 4ish people IIRC.
Gaignun - thanks for those statistics, as well as everything else. I was especially curious about Masamune. Oh wow, only 2 Grand Cross users, and 5 Magic Gun Kagesougi users? huh. Ok, my team might have a chance. Maybe. My team kinda dies to Kagesougi. But anyways. Yeah, Geomancers... Also a bit surprised at the amount of Perfumes. And here I was thinking I'd be clever.
Haha, AeroGP super metagamed (equips-wise).
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 01, 2012, 03:18:14 pm
AeroGP was expecting people to make squads like mine, but he has to beat Barren (who has a reasonable counter, I think) before that can pay off. Wiz's squad though, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Something seems off about the whole thing.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on May 01, 2012, 03:28:23 pm
Is it because we both favor offense over defense? =P
EDIT: Damned, good catch on Avalanche's Bard. PM'd Gaignun the missing abilities.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on May 01, 2012, 04:01:59 pm
Lol even i didnt noticed the missing abilities on my Bard when watching over my team. I hope every Host is getting the abilities.
seems my Team is facing some very good Teams in the beginning: vigilanty and Barren both of them have very good Teams. Especially with ninjutsu spells, which i guess is my strongest weakness due to innocence.
Another thing was the Winner bracket changed latelly?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 01, 2012, 04:23:12 pm
He'll slowly destroy both his opponent and his host's remaining HDD space with uncompressed video.
Yeah, my team's primary color was Green, not Black. My team is centered around the color green, lol. :P
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on May 01, 2012, 07:24:27 pm
(Ugh, that last post of my mine was horribly typo-ridden. It's fixed now.)
I forgot to say that I'm surprised at the amount of Dispel Magic that people are using, but it certainly makes sense more than the other things I was surprised at.
Anyway, yeah, I was certainly expecting the type of metagame for at least half of the teams that AeroGP's individual units seem to be anticipating. That this didn't happen makes me feel more interested in this tournament than just watching half of the teams gun the other half down (give or take Projectile Guard).
Kinda me wish I submitted that Fire-based team given there are a lot less Black Costumes than I thought there would be....
Oh well. Now fully realizing what Wiz's team intends to do makes me masochistically and sadistically want to see how it and Y U SO DERP fare against each other despite all my joking about how the latter team shouldn't be allowed in the tournament earlier. I really don't envy anyone who has to run his matches as it is, despite the fact I'm getting the same "off" feeling it formerdeathcorps was talking about; I think its the 40s for the Auto Potion units, though 40% is still decent. We'll see how it fares in action, though.
Quote from: Dome on May 01, 2012, 02:42:26 pm @The Damned Not that it changes much, but my team absorbs & Strenghten both Earth and Dark In case someone use float Which accessory/piece of equipment gives immunity to silence?
Ah, I missed the Dark absorption on the Geomancers first time around. Too busy rushing and focusing on the Blood Swords and the lack of Silence protection alongside the lack of Echo Grass I guess.
As for what gives Silence immunity, everything that Fantactic1316 said. You can worry a bit less about it that, unlike in Vanilla, it's cured by Dead in ARENA. ...Too bad Undead only have a 50/50 chance of getting back up versus Crystallizing--after having to wait 3 turns--and can't be raised normally.
Ah, okay, thanks. It wasn't a huge deal anyway, especially since it was my fault to begin with.
Speaking of Dancers, even with the problems that Nameless Dance has and coming back to see their rates pretty much lower than Bards all around, I'm still surprised they're tied for second to last in use after freaking Wizards and Squires. Similarly surprised to see they're equal in number to Mimes, whom they're tied with in number (alongside, surprisingly, Geomancer), yet no Mimes and Dancers aren't on the same team even with Speed Save's weakening.
It's quite odd to think about/realize the fact that if I had submitted another team (or not submitted one at all) then they'd be dead last, which is probably what would have happened if I focused on any other "useless" technique except for Nameless Dance (and maybe Bad Luck). Hunh.
But, anyway, I'm typing more than I need to (as always), so I'll wait until the first videos get posted, especially since I need to do actual work in real life.
I'll try to not to disappoint too horribly, though I have no control over my Dancers being dumbasses about movement and Dance choice at key moments among most other things.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on May 01, 2012, 09:08:29 pm
Looks like I'm actually going to make it to round 2 this season :mrgreen:
GL to you Shade :D
Here are some stats...hope my math is correct :|
Reactions Auto Potion 35 Damage Split 20 None 14 Abandon 12 Counter Flood 10 PA Save 10 HP Restore 9 MA Save 9 Projectile Guard 9 Absorb MP 8 Counter Magic 8 Dragon Spirit 8 Awareness 6 Finger Guard 4 Regenerator 4 MP Restore 4 Counter 3 Critical Quick 3 Speed Save 3 Distribute 2 Faith UP 2
Supports Short Charge 31 Attack UP 21 Equip Armor 17 Magic Attack UP 17 Defense UP 13 Equip Shield 12 Unyielding 12 Overwhelm 10 Throw Item 9 Equip Ranged 7 Martial Arts 7 Magic Defend UP 6 Equip Polearm 5 Two Swords 5 Equip Heavy Blade 3 Half of MP 2 Two Hands 2 Equip Clothes 1
Movement Move-HP UP 54 Move-MP UP 39 None 21 Fly 15 Move+1 14 Teleport 9 Float 8 Jump+1 7 Flee 5 Jump+2 5 Ignore Height 3
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on May 01, 2012, 11:13:42 pm
(Poor Equip Clothes looks so lonely down there. Even more sadly, it's probably just glad it got picked at all for once.)
Thanks for the tally of RSMs, TrueLight; I'd double check that if I weren't already behind in other things. You as well for the class one, Gaignun.
Anyone want to do a tally of the active abilities used? I'm curious to find out what the most frequently used non-resurrection (and non-healing) technique is despite--arguably, given--the really large pool of abilities to choose from. Given how sparse Grand Cross seems to be, it might actually be surprising and not be Kagesougi.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 02, 2012, 01:32:25 am
Masamune features pretty heavily at 32, compared to 5 Haste and 0 Haste 2. Also a moderate amount of Armor Break, and quite a bit of Steal Heart/Beguile. Only 3 Zombies to 13 Holy Waters. You guys can pick at the rest of it yourselves.
============ SHIELDS ============ Name Count Comment Mythril Shield 02 Gold Shield 00 Ice Shield 02 Flame Shield 01 Aegis Shield 06 Diamond Shield 01 Platina Shield 01 Crystal Shield 01 Genji Shield 09 Dat +1 PA Kaiser Plate 06 Venetian Shield 12 Kaiser plate/black robe/magic gun/you-lose-good-day-sir counter Escutcheon II 02
============= HEAD ============= Name Count Comment Barbuta 11 PA-stacking Mythril Helmet 00 Gold Helmet 04 Cross Helmet 07 Diamond Helmet 11 Ever-so-popular reraise Platina Helmet 00 Circlet 03 Crystal Helmet 09 Paralyze: most anticipated of all status ailments Genji Helmet 00 Grand Helmet 03
Green Beret 15 Twist Headband 10 Holy Miter 11 Black Hood 09 Golden Hairpin 43 Most utility (MA, MP, Holy/Dark strengthening) Flash Hat 05 Thief Hat 24 -ton/lore counter, SP
Cachusha 04 Barette 01 Ribbon 08
============= BODY ============= Name Count Comment Gold Armor 07 Diamond Armor 05 Platina Armor 05 Carabini Mail 09 Crystal Armor 02 Genji Armor 03 Reflect Mail 06 Maximillian 05
Wizard Outfit 10 Brigandine 08 Santa Outfit 06 Power Sleeve 17 More PA-stacking Earth Clothes 11 Modest number of earth synergies Secret Clothes 05 Black Costume 36 Blaze Gun/Koutetsu counter/synergy Rubber Costume 05
Linen Robe 02 Silk Robe 04 Wizard Robe 02 Chameleon Robe 03 White Robe 08 5/8 are paired with Setiemson. Good luck magic gunners! Black Robe 04 Light Robe 05 Robe of Lords 12
========== ACCESSORY ========== Name Count Comment Battle Boots 05 Germinas Boots 07 Rubber Shoes 04 Feather Boots 00 Sprint Shoes 07 Red Shoes 07 Iron Boots 03 Power Wrist 01 Genji Gauntlet 00 Magic Gauntlet 08 Bracer 09 Reflect Ring 03 Not a lot of Faith Rods that need covering for Defense Ring 00 As expected Magic Ring 09 Cursed Ring 03 Angel Ring 15 Diamond Armlet 07 Jade Armlet 00 As expected 108 Gems 02 N-Kai Armlet 10 Koutetsu synergy, meiton counter Defense Armlet 00 As expected Small Mantle 05 Leather Mantle 00 Wizard Mantle 02 Elf Mantle 03 Dracula Mantle 01 Feather Mantle 04 Vanish Mantle 06 Chantage 20 Reraise with frog and sleep protection > reraise with dead and blind protection Cherche 20 Setiemson 26 Most popular accessory Salty Rage 00
Index := (Abs+Cnc+0.5*Hlv)/n where n = 4*46 (number of units) Measure of collective resistance to given element. Basing offense in an element with a lower index will be more profitable. eg. Index = 100 element is completely ineffective Index = 0 element is completely effective
Fi Ic Lt Wn Wt Er Hy Dk Abs 37 08 08 15 05 13 12 49 Cnc 00 00 04 07 07 13* 09 00 Hlv** 17 20 20 23 22 23 00 00 Index 25 10 12 18 13 20 11 27
*Does not include units with dispellable float (ie. float from Diamond Helmet) **Does not include units who also absorb or cancel the element
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 02, 2012, 06:33:30 am
Predictions (Round of 16):
Lief vs. Shade mucus vs. ET Squidgy vs. Angelus Wiz vs. DomieV AeroGP vs. Fanatic Dol vs. Barren fdc vs. LordBobBree Ryason55 vs. Celdia
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on May 02, 2012, 08:38:26 am
finally........Finally.......FINALLY THIS TOURNAMENT HAS JUST BEGUN! Enjoy :mrgreen:
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 1 Leif1991 vs Taichii (http://youtu.be/i7e1CJKmu5w)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 2 st4rw4k3r vs mucus (http://youtu.be/cYJoRa7xWyc)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Shade on May 02, 2012, 10:26:23 am
*looks at TL's team*
This is going to suck hard. Two black costumes... again.
Looked at what not healing skills are most used... masamune 32. Steal heart at 17... god I hate that ability. Also what is up with holy these days, it seems everyone uses holy instead flare these days.
Also 36 black costumes... dafuq? I mean we don't even have many kagesougi users.
I am really happy that I gave my kagesougi users the unfaith skill (I think I shoulda give some other one of the unfaith skill to them now that I think of it so I could bypass black costumes.... it's too late isn't it?)
FDC I know that you "predicted" me that far in to the tournament just because of my team's name (FDC Corporation) and that there is a guy named FDC in it.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 02, 2012, 10:46:54 am
Black Costume is also used on Shadow Shade and Koutetsu/Demi absorb teams. As for granting you the win, just wait until you see your match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Shade on May 02, 2012, 10:53:31 am
Can we get the videos in the discussion topic?
Can we see how many skill sets are being use and how many jobs?
Also I would like to see how many weapons there are too.
Also FDC look at our post counts. Make a post (doesn't have to be here), so we can have both 1074 posts :3
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 02, 2012, 11:57:13 am
More often than not, Holy is all you'll need to get the job done against level 35 units. Holy is strengthened by the Golden Hairpin, which also gives 1MA and 70/50. Flare costs more MP at a longer charge time. And Holy is part of a skillset that includes raising, curing, and status healing.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dome on May 02, 2012, 12:35:18 pm
Having 2 stickied topics about the tournament is confusing me >_>
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Post by: Gaignun on May 02, 2012, 01:14:02 pm
I'm going to be putting links to the videos in the OP so people who fall behind don't need to fish for them. I find Youtube's playlist to be inconvenient when browsing through dozens of videos.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on May 02, 2012, 02:33:08 pm
Quote from: Dome Having 2 stickied topics about the tournament is confusing me >_>
With that said, now I will add to the confusion by talking about the matches here! =P
Agree with fdc about Leif's low damage output.
I like how mucus is using Equip Armor. Dunno if it's a "good" or "bad" way to use it since I'm not a big fan of Equip X abilities, but those Scholars can take a few hits, have Reflect, and get healed up a bunch from Hi-Potion.
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Post by: Pierce on May 02, 2012, 03:09:05 pm
I like how mucus is using Equip Armor. Dunno if it's a "good" or "bad" way to use it since I'm not a big fan of Equip X abilities, but those Scholars can take a few hits, have Reflect, and get healed up a bunch from Hi-Potion.
thanks! yeah those scholars are a little tanky, it's really cool to see how much punishment they can take.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on May 02, 2012, 04:17:37 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 3 Eternal248 vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/AJaZrVm47nM)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 4 LightningHax vs Kihaku_FTW (http://youtu.be/Gx6KL00spw8)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on May 02, 2012, 09:43:58 pm
My predictions for Round of 16:
Gaignun vs Shade mucus vs dacheat Squidgy vs Angelus Wiz vs DomieV AeroGP vs Fanatic iamBQB vs Barren fdc vs CT5 Ryason55 vs Celdia
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Post by: Reks on May 02, 2012, 10:53:51 pm
Thanks for the faith, CT5. Nah, jk.... I know I'll likely lose. But hey, the fun is in not knowing
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Post by: dacheat on May 02, 2012, 11:19:53 pm
Thanks for the vote of confidence CT5. :3
Hopefully it's right.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on May 03, 2012, 01:26:21 am
(I kinda agree with Dome here, which is funny because I was going to joke at his expense about it.)
Thanks for the tallies of things, Fantactic1316 and Gaignun.
Anyone want to finish things off and do a tally of weapons used? I'm pretty sure Throwing Knife and some of the crappier ones won't show up at all even as one-ofs. *cough*BowGun*cough* [/asking too much]
Anyway, I find it hilarious that 36 Black Costumes is low. Hahaha...that's kinda bad, especially given at least two other things absorb Dark that don't totally suck now, though at least N-Kai Armlet could still use a boost since Confusion doesn't even exist in ARENA anymore.
Quote from: Shade on May 02, 2012, 10:26:23 amLooked at what not healing skills are most used... masamune 32. Steal heart at 17... god I hate that ability. Also what is up with holy these days, it seems everyone uses holy instead flare these days.
Besides what Fantactic1316 already said, it's also because, on the flip side, Black Magic still sucks or, rather, it's at least still outpaced by other things as it unfortunately always has been since vanilla. All it has over Summon Magic, which has revival that Black Magic lacks and gets past both Reflect and M-EV, is Frog, Death, Poison and Flare. Death and Poison suck and are obviated by far too many things to be worth counting, so only Flare and Frog really count. Ironically, due to Reflect Ring's upgrade to blocking Silence and boosting magick, despite both Flare and Holy being reflectable, it means that the decreased use of Magic Ring means that Holy element isn't absorbed any more. As such, when that Reflect eventually does go down, Holy is not going to be absorbed and it is better for interrupting things and being more difficult to interrupt itself even without Short Charge as well as being cheaper MP-wise.
It's not that Black Magick isn't usable. It's just that, besides Flare (arguable), literally the only things it has going is elemental-absorption, that the elemental Tier 4 that gets past Reflect and Frog, which is useful if Frogged.
Even then, though, elemental-absorption is pretty much restricted to Fire since Scholars better Ice and Lightning abilities to abuse and even then Wizards have to compete with the utter BS of the currently overpowered magic guns, which are 100% accurate and don't take MP. Furthermore, outside of Flare, Wizard's whole direct offense gets severely hampered by singular pieces of equipment due to White Robe and Venetian Shield. Even Frog has to compete with both a couple of instant-cures to Frog (Stigma Magic & Maiden's Kiss) and the much quicker, more accurate Esuna as well as (ab)useable equipment that already blocks Frog like the universally wearable Chantage.
On top of all that, Black Magic has to compete with every other Faith-based magic being more useful since all that Black Magic can do is ultimately cause damage--usually only to single target--if it can get past M-EV or try to Frog people; Poison and Death don't count less because of the dismissive argument that they "suck", but because they're both ultimately useless since all Black Magic does besides Frog people is damage. Why the hell would you bother with minimal damage over time--especially when other classes have 100% Poison abilities--and an iffy chance pf single-target instant-Death when you already do is direct damage capable of OHKOing and you already have to deal with Raise 2's "everything's 100% okie-dokey" bullshit?
...Sorry, that ended up being a rant that would be better-suited Abilities thread and that isn't something I feel FFMaster or even ARENA itself are necessarily to blame for. However, needless to say, it's really not surprising that Holy is a lot more popular than Flare, especially since Mages don't automatically absorb Holy now by virtue of Magic Ring being the only mage-accessible item to block Silence.
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 03, 2012, 01:51:14 am
You are right in saying that wizard as a main class is inferior to summoner (which is why I suggested innate immunities to silence and berserk) and that wizard as a skillset is fairly repetitive (while not as defensive as lancer or quirky/fast as geomancer). This is why I suggested added status procs to Tier1 and UnFury attacks to Tier 2 (while still being blocked by M-EV/Shell). You are right in saying that reflect ring's should be changed (to null berserk and not to usurp magic ring with null: silence). You are right in saying that venetian shield and white robe halving an entire build is probably too defensive (drop halve: bolt because there's already enough anti-lightning gear. I say that an entire build is being halved because Wizards always do more with flare than the faster elemental spells so it's folly to run elemental spells and flare on most wizards. The only exception may be elemental boosted Bolt4 vs. Flare [which is another good reason to exclude bolt from these equips], but both are too slow.)
However, I wish to challenge your unstated implication that we should nerf everything else because much of your evidence doesn't really hold water. Raise2 averages 80% now and if you tried running 100% Raise2, your units are all exposing themselves to faith based attacks. Mages shouldn't be automatically absorbing holy for the same reason why people shouldn't automatically slap on projectile guard; unless you are going to use it constructively to strengthen your team's synergy, it's too specific a metagame counter to merit notice. Also, Damned, because of the changes to how faith and reaction abilities work, many holy casters CAN and do 1HKO or 2HKO physical units as well. Stop thinking of mages as only fighting other mages: black magic now does a reasonable amount (more than summoner and scholar) to 40 Faith. Yeah, holy may do more for the same CT, but black mage has AoE; nobody should be using black magic just for flare because that necessitates short charge. Look at the other options: Fire2/3's CT and AoE are comparable to summoner, but with more damage; elementally boosted bolt4 does enough damage to rival flare while not being reflectable while AoE bolt attacks can easily be used (see my Broken team) on a 4x absorption team which completely obviates the need for cure and greatly speeds up the offense; ice functions as a MP efficient option and as an anti-metagame weapon because of how many people are trying to absorb fire/dark. As for the spell guns, Damned, they really are not as good as black magic when used for spells. A competent black mage with a black robe does more damage (especially off faith rod) because such a black mage ALWAYS will use Tier 2 or 3 spell rather than using the Tier 1 spell at 60%. The arguments about evasion and instant attacks are mostly spurious. If you synchronized your team correctly, you shouldn't be getting mid-charged (nor should it be a serious issue) and nobody runs M-EV right now except on overall evasion teams or as an afterthought on the venetian shield/kaiser plate. The spell guns are currently broken because of high WP, leading to Kagesougi spam, which is broken and will be addressed in the next update. The solution is simple: force the guns to always proc the Tier 3 spells and lower the WP by 4-5.
Unrelated, but:
Quote However, Stigma magic being back to AoE just bugs me because of the sheer amount of things it cures and the fact that it hits the Monk using it at instant speed and that it's basically 100% successful.
Not really a problem. If we compare this to Esuna (which people always run at Good/Best compat), that too is 100%, but is at range. It's a fair tradeoff for the speed of the monk ability. Also, many white mages are strictly support and are more likely to use Esuna compared to a monk with stigma magic (who may also have a KO at hand). Considering most good teams have their mages with some innate MP restoration abilities, MP costs aren't really an issue for priest.
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Post by: Dome on May 03, 2012, 03:47:07 am
Quote from: FFMaster in the other threadNo idea why there are 2 threads. Closing this one and unstickying. Go to the other thread.
<3
Anyway, fun matches so far. MOAR!
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Post by: FFMaster on May 03, 2012, 03:59:28 am
Edited the 3rd post with all the video links.
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Post by: mucus on May 03, 2012, 12:48:57 pm
If I can put you into sandbag mode early I think I can win. My Holy users like to pre-charge Holy onto downed units that are about to reraise so that might hurt your Mad Science spamming a bit. That's easier said then done though since your Scholars are so tanky.
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Post by: Barren on May 03, 2012, 03:43:07 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 5 FFMaster vs Dome (http://youtu.be/ofZ0W6-9DPk)
The rest of my matches thus far will come between tonight and tomorrow night
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Post by: Dome on May 03, 2012, 04:00:14 pm
That Raise2 pwned my team pretty hard Seems it's time to search for a better accessory...or buff undeads a bit? Maybe allow them to return to life from death after the counter gets to 0? Anyway, GG :-)
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Post by: Zareb on May 03, 2012, 04:02:52 pm
That Raise2 pwned my team pretty hard Seems it's time to search for a better accessory...or buff undeads a bit? Maybe allow them to return to life from death after the counter gets to 0?
I like your last suggestion.
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Post by: Dome on May 03, 2012, 04:04:54 pm
TBH...That's what I did for FFT: Plus XD
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 03, 2012, 04:57:03 pm
Undead users need to have reflect and halve: fire or they risk instant death. It's perfectly doable as a team concept, just you need immediate offense to flatten someone.
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Post by: The Damned on May 03, 2012, 06:49:26 pm
(Another wasted day, another reply for me.)
Might as well do this before I clean out this sluggishly slow computer of mine, especially since re-doing Team Submissions can wait a bit longer before I just go on that week-long hiatus.
The rest of my matches thus far will come between tonight and tomorrow night
Good to know. Again, remember not to burn yourself out Barren. [/nag]
Thanks again.
What? A Cursed Ring team lost to a team with Raise 2? Let me put on my shocked face.
....
Heavy sarcasm aside, I basically agree with formerdeathcorps here. That or the Raise spells just need to become Holy element, though that would make people use Holy-blocking gear besides Cursed Ring even less.
Maybe a compromise and just have it so that Undead units are guaranteed to always get back up (eventually), just not necessarily at full HP like they can now? That seems a lot more fair--yes, I'm using that horrible word--than this 50/50 "hope they get up" thing that people using Cursed Ring have to deal with on top of all the other issues with willing putting units under permanent Undead for very little reward.
Anyway, as for the match itself, I'm honestly surprised that Dome was able to win one, though I guess it helped in the second round that the Time Mage never got anywhere near either Scholar. Also, I think the Geomancer didn't attack the Time Mage because he saw that Shadow Shade was going to kill her...before the Moogle hit at least. Silly AI.
I can only hope that my match doesn't end up boring everyone to death, especially when it's apparent that I'm going to get my ass kicked. I preemptively allow you to skip ahead, Barren.
Quote from: formerdeathcorps on May 03, 2012, 01:51:14 amYou are right in saying that wizard as a main class is inferior to summoner (which is why I suggested innate immunities to silence and berserk) and that wizard as a skillset is fairly repetitive (while not as defensive as lancer or quirky/fast as geomancer). This is why I suggested added status procs to Tier1 and UnFury attacks to Tier 2 (while still being blocked by M-EV/Shell). You are right in saying that reflect ring's should be changed (to null berserk and not to usurp magic ring with null: silence). You are right in saying that venetian shield and white robe halving an entire build is probably too defensive (drop halve: bolt because there's already enough anti-lightning gear. I say that an entire build is being halved because Wizards always do more with flare than the faster elemental spells so it's folly to run elemental spells and flare on most wizards. The only exception may be elemental boosted Bolt4 vs. Flare [which is another good reason to exclude bolt from these equips], but both are too slow.)
Well it's good to know that we can at least still agree on some things, though (and as hypocritical as this may seem in the face of some of Embargo's generics) I don't think innate Silence and/or Berserk immunity is the way to go about it here. I agree with everything else though, even as untested as "UnFury" abilities are.
I'll use spoilers for everything else just because a) I don't want to clog up this thread and b) it actually separates things more easily.
Never said we should nerf, though I could see how you get that implication given how much I've kvetched about it. It's not like it's any secret that I hate the ability and it instantly restoring people to full health more reliably than pretty much any other revival save Phoenix Down and Raise. However, I've long accepted that it's not going to change any time soon, so yeah.
I only brought up it because it's literally the exact opposite of Death right down to being, you know, usable whereas Death isn't (for reasons more than just Raise 2). Why bother using something like Death when Raise 2 is going to always be around? Why bother when you can more reliably OHKO with other spells in the same skill set that get around Reflect and M-EV?
Seriously, Death just needs to die. That's all I'm getting at. Raise 2 being as predictably popular as it is just seems like that should be all the more apparent--like Ninjutsu needing to be evadable given its power & speed--and yet it's still around for some unfathomable reason. It's not like Raise 2 is going anywhere any time soon, even with the "risks" you're talking about.
Yes, mages and higher Faith units aren't the only units that have to worry about getting nuked by Holy. ...And?
All I was pointing out was that, due to Magic Ring no longer being the sole Silence-blocking equipment piece that mages could readily use, despite Reflect Ring's popularity, Holy has "ironically" become even more reliable since mages that want to block Silence don't automatically end up blocking/absorbing Holy and Wind elements as well. That's it. With Reflect Ring and Robe of Lords both blocking Silence now, it means that Holy (element) indirectly got a boost since it ends being absorbed far less regularly.
Let's face it. When it comes to the abundance Holy-blocking-or-absorbing gear, most physical units aren't going to be using that stuff. Even the universally usable Small Mantle isn't something that people ever really use just because M-EV (alone) tends not to mean crap against the popular forms of magic, Faith-based or otherwise. So, yeah, while physical units have to worry about being targets as well (which I never denied, much less mentioned), that was never issue because they almost never used any equipment that got in the way of Holy doing damage to begin. The sole regular exception were Paladins when Excalibur absorbed Holy; I suppose when/if magical guns gets nerfed, we might see Paladins starting to use wear Chameleon Robes alongside Excalibur for Grand Cross's sake, but otherwise...yeah, I don't exactly expect to see a huge rise in Crystal Shield use and the like.
I never said that Black Magic has no good points. If I didn't think it did, then I would have outright said it was useless, which it isn't; it's just still almost as out-classed as it has been since vanilla. Again, yes, Black Magic can do quite a bit of damage, but outside of Frog, that's all it can do.
Additionally, even for all its damage potential, it has to contend with M-EV and Reflect getting in the way of most of its spells when most other forms of popular magical damage either have to only contend with one (M-EV for Draw Out, Reflect for Holy, technically Yin-Yang Magic if unit has Dispel Magic) or neither (Summon Magic, half of Lore). Fat lot of good doing more damage is going to do you when you can't hit anything as reliably as another class that has more AoE than you and revival.
Admittedly, my mention of spell guns with regards to Black Magic was poorly written, especially when they're neither the key issue to Black Magic's main problems nor is Black Magic the key victim of their current overpoweredness with Kagesougi & Grand Cross. That said, even being on classes with piss-poor MA (at least innately), their existence when Black Magic is already as relatively weak as it is doesn't help; I think even given your reservations about my "spurious" implications and claims, we can agree there.
It's like if there was a gun that was made to act like a longbow that ended up being overpowered due to some reason that had nothing to do with longbows. Sure, it wouldn't exactly do much more damage to longbows' relative weakness and lack of use, but it certainly wouldn't help. Spell Guns are the same, especially since, even as much you're downplaying it, their instant speed and getting past Reflect & M-EV do count for something; even if they do a lot less damage reliably than a Wizard (with/forced to wear Strengthening gear), they still do damage more reliably than said Wizard. The lack of MP use with them is a lot less of an issue, but it means not having to worry about MP restoration or MP depletion, which is certainly an issue among pretty much all mages.
No comment on the "solution" to those at present.
Yes, synching speed is good and all that, but it still doesn't do anything to prevent the potential mid-charging you seem to be definitively saying that it would. Even before the popularity of Haste & Slow and the various other abilities that freeze CT or lower Speed, it's rather inevitable that if a match drags on long enough, a unit with higher speed will eventually start out pacing an 8 Speed Wizard. This doesn't even address lower speed units intentionally "built" to disrupt mages with things like Throw Stone or Sinkhole or Talk Skill or Yin-Yang Magic or whatever.
Even for people who can actually build teams like you or RavenofRagriz or Wiz or Barren or CT5Holy, things don't always go off without a hitch, especially with the AI involved.
I already addressed the Stigma Magic thing, so let's just say that we'll have to agree to disagree, if only because I doubt you'll be able to convince me why it deserves to still cancel Charm even if you managed to convince me that it deserves its AoE (which you haven't).
Omission EDIT: Stupid omissions finally fixed.
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Post by: Barren on May 03, 2012, 09:53:17 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 6 fattyzila vs Fantactic1316 (http://youtu.be/zj2EAs9g47Q)
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 03, 2012, 10:36:30 pm
W00T!
Good game though. Lot of good Charms in round 1. Can't believe Echo used the Blast Gun to break Charm on the other high Faith unit, but I suppose that's better than if Sierra had started using good/best compat Holy on Victor and Alpha. Then Alpha loses his armor in round 2. Craziness. All the Raise 2 really had me worried for a bit, but good luck that it missed. That was really exciting to watch.
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Post by: Barren on May 04, 2012, 10:59:07 am
Wiz, it's your turn to take charge!
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 7 dinosaur vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/65mAG8R6rbk)
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Post by: dacheat on May 04, 2012, 12:05:38 pm
That second match was great. Back and forth for about four or five minutes before Dinosaur got taken down in a decisive 30 seconds.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 04, 2012, 01:40:14 pm
I didn't really get it, why did the white mages BOTH have Iron Boots. Not being able to move wasn't terrible, but when your only method of revival past 10HP can't get to you..
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Post by: Reks on May 04, 2012, 02:40:52 pm
Yay, my match is up next. Good luck, The Damned!
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Post by: The Damned on May 04, 2012, 07:24:20 pm
(Our/my match is next? That's my cue for me to disappear for a week then.)
Good luck to you as well, Reks. Not that you should need it. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to kick my ass handily. I can only "hope" it doesn't take too long since despite my lack of AoE and healing, I have this sinking feeling that ours will be the first match to run past 20 minutes.
As such, advanced and special thanks to Wiz or Barren or whoever has to suffer through recording that match.
Not much to say about this that I didn't already on Youtube, really. Thus far, Charm isn't being as decisive a status in this tournament as I'm used to it being. I wonder if that will change down the line.
Not to knock dinosaur or anything, but I'm far more surprised that he lasted that long or that Death hit that many times than that his team lost. It seemed pretty obvious from the beginning that the Iron Boots were going to end up screwing him over. Hell, I didn't even realize until it happened that neither Priest blocked Silence (or Berserk), which also spelled doom both times even though the Chemist and both Priests had means to cure Silence; for the record, I'm pretty sure Silence wouldn't have done anything to the Bard's ability to use Dia (or even use Sing) if he had lived another round, Barren.
Not being able to move meant that even with the blundering into range the AI did (read: had to do) and Holy (and Dia and the gun's) range, the Priests were automatically cut off from the almost mage-standard Move-MP Up Movement. They were thus dependent on the singular Chemist (since it's not like the Bard had Angel Song) to re-supply them with Hi-Ethers, which never happened for a couple of reasons.
Ironically, due to all the Counter Magic from Shadowstrike's Scholar, dinosaur might have been able to win (or at least hold out even longer) if at least one of his Priests and/or his Bard absorbed Holy. That and had Carbunkle (or something beyond the iffiness of MP Restore) to restore MP in case the Chemist had other things to do. Oh well. We'll see if that becomes an issue in the Loser's Bracket.
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Post by: dinosaur on May 04, 2012, 11:23:39 pm
My team is meant to be super tanks and I am weak against status. The first battle I had to end up with a person who relies heavily on status procs. I think would I have good chance with a more offensive team.
Anyways, The Damned and DaCheat say that iron boots were a bad choice because the moveable units will be out of range of my preist. However, in the battle my units were always in the preist range for any spell. And if my moveable units do die, they have reraise to allow them to move back to my preist range anyways. I am not concern about iron boots, more so status effects. TO THE NEXT BATTLE! [/spoiler=dinosaur vs. Shadowstrick]
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Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2012, 01:36:58 am
Matches 8-11 will be uploaded in about an hour after I #11 get done rendering in Camtasia.
I'll give a thorough account of what I think of matches 1-7 in the next post along with my vids so yeah. I'll probably address some of the comments that mentioned me since I guess I'm that popular too.
Edit: Internet's being dumb and refuses to upload any vids, so I'll try it again in 9 hours or so.
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Post by: Eternal on May 06, 2012, 01:50:39 am
Huzzah! I was afraid you wouldn't be able to finish your matches, since you mentioned being busy with work before. Glad to see that's not the case.
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Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2012, 12:03:41 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 8 The Damned vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&fmt=18&v=NOT7LgDT85o#t=37s)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 9 Havermayer vs iamBQB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE1gTo9HtiQ&fmt=18)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 10 Vigilanti vs Avalanche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwN1mFmmsas&fmt=18)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 11 Kagebunji vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53YHEaZ71Q&fmt=18)
I'll update this post with the other matches as they upload.
In the meantime, I may as well make comments on the vids + a couple of the things that addressed me.
I was surprised how long Taichii stood out before the berserk procs messed him up horribly
The speed gear although is a nice bonus, it backfired in that mucus's units moved immediately afterwards and punished st4r's team with Frog Procs from Bio 2.
Karma's a bitch. It sucks that the Faith Rod backfired for ET
Status rape from LightningHax all the way especially all those charms hitting in R1.
Not a lot of offensive power on Dome's end, which is what ultimately did him in. The heal to the undead via Blood Sword although is unique, it's not that great.
Not really that interesting of a match to me. Low damage output from both teams and both have odd setups. Knights with crossbows, Priests with Guns + Stigma Magic, ugh... Oh well, looks like I'm clinching my match most definitely.
Right, lots of death procs + stupid priests with Iron Boots. Although it's most effective to have those on small maps, medium and large maps screw dino's team over big time. Even then, he still lost in R1 due to the priests only targeting single panel holy's + the lack of MP restoration.
Quote from: The Damned on May 01, 2012, 07:24:27 pm Oh well. Now fully realizing what Wiz's team intends to do makes me masochistically and sadistically want to see how it and Y U SO DERP fare against each other despite all my joking about how the latter team shouldn't be allowed in the tournament earlier.
Well, if you want me to spoil the results for you...
The Speedsters Reincarnated wins. Mediators Berserk the entire team disabling Move-HP UP as well as Slow Dance Spamming. Thieves also gain speed at a faster rate then they'll lose it since self-quickening's are 100% accuracy vs the 25% Slow Dance. They're also immune to death sentence via the Angel Ring, which I put on there more for the immunity to blind from Kagesougi Spammers. Getting hit with it would reduce their shots from 100% to 50%, something I'd never want to deal with especially if I have to anti-sandbag and kill recently resurrected units.
Quote from: FFMasterEdited the 3rd post with all the video links.
Why? The OP already hast them. Seems pretty pointless.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 06, 2012, 01:42:01 pm
RNG luck in the first Round and an advantage on larger maps made it look pretty devastating for Vigilanties team. Still i think his team is much stronger than it looked. So Good Luck in the looser bracket.
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Post by: dacheat on May 06, 2012, 01:52:49 pm
Pardon my French, but what the fuck is going on at the beginning of this video?
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Post by: Leif1991 on May 06, 2012, 02:00:01 pm
I don't mind what you did; in fact, it gives the video your own personal, little touch, alongside the music choices and commentary. Everybody needs to relax.
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Post by: Dome on May 06, 2012, 02:56:47 pm
I don't get the blue-haired lady part, but I liked the video anyway
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Post by: dacheat on May 06, 2012, 03:16:32 pm
It wasn't so much anger as it was surprise. Here I am waiting to watch a bloodbath, and a creepy blue-haired chick pops up and starts serenading me about cats.
Wut.
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Post by: Vigilanti on May 06, 2012, 03:51:46 pm
damn man, RNG just got the better of me today. these thieves were just too much! GG Avalanche
btw, you gotta live frisky dingo's team Wiz :P
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Post by: Barren on May 06, 2012, 03:57:23 pm
Reks team looked good even in cookie cutter but hey it works. Keep up the good work.
Tanky Samurais, Tanky Lancers Tanky Palys, TANKY TANKY TANKY! But in all seriousness I was impressed that BQB actually won despite being in a disadvantage on both maps.
Just goes to show everyone that RNG can and will decide your fate anytime. Looks like we'll meet on battleground fellow host
LOLOLOLOLOL I laughed my ass off wiz when you read his team's name! "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT!!!" That was classic man! But match itself, his damage output was very effective in many ways.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 06, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
Like others have said, it wasn't stupid, but it was pretty random. Maybe if it was just the worm part it would have been a funny introduction, but it goes on for so long, thought I was being trolled..
When the only people who can revive die, you most times lose. Not much else to say other than that status effect Ninjutsu takes forever to finish.
Good damage on all of BQB's units, and plenty of HP with Transfuse and Nurse to keep the party flowing. The archer for Haver did his job, but everyone else couldn't stand up to that damage, 500HP double team jump? Kay. Haste would have been really good for Haver, since his team was mostly physical.
Those thieves are cool, able to inflict status, sandbag, get a lot of speed and are innocent with cherche, so taking them down is difficult. Only reason it took so long was because of charm.
Wow, frisky's team has gotten a lot of bite since the beginning. Everyone in the party does great damage and are decently fast, thanks to Haste. But I don't know whether to say that frisky was beasting, or that Kagebunji had a weird team..
As always, good stuff. So nervous, the match after next is mine. Celdia's ninjas are scary..
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Post by: Gaignun on May 06, 2012, 10:45:36 pm
I'd say no personally if only because you yourself are opening up that possibility. In regards to this instance, Reks gave Vireblaze his team, They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 09, 2012, 01:01:29 am
It's also happened before. (The3rdOracle and Akwikone) I don't think anyone minds.
Man, the mime use was very nice round 1. That was cool.
Wow, nice comeback from Celdia round 1! I thought she'd be stuck in resloop, but she broke out of it. Good damage from those ninjas.
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Post by: dacheat on May 09, 2012, 01:06:42 am
Mmk. Just wondering.
Great comeback. Lots of awesome Mime shenanigans from Xeno, but they weren't enough in the end.
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Post by: Xeno on May 09, 2012, 01:14:32 am
Just WOW! GG
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 09, 2012, 02:07:41 am
For the winner of Match 14 (Celdia vs Dynablade), I'm pretty sure that this thought crossed over that person's mind after looking at the winner's bracket...
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2edboko.jpg)
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Post by: Celdia on May 09, 2012, 02:37:30 am
I wholly expected to be done after seeing the double-sleep proc at the start. Guess my change of a 2nd Priestess to that Chemist was a good move.
@skiploom: I look forward to our match. I know what my team's major weaknesses are and I'm not certain how they'll hold up against your crew. Either way, good luckYou're next!. :D
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Post by: Ryason55 on May 09, 2012, 02:41:40 am
Well that happened. Doesn't help that Serge's Charm missed, like, all 3 times in round 3. As well as that one Sleep from Vernette. Clearly, the RNG has issues with me.
Oh well. At least I caused something interesting on the way down. :P
Good game, Xeno!
... And now off to contemplate Wiz and Fantactic's teams to see if there's still hope for me in the other bracket.
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Post by: Eternal on May 09, 2012, 02:46:08 am
I'm not sure if I should root for Celdia or Skiploom in their battle! ;_;
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 09, 2012, 03:50:45 am
I wholly expected to be done after seeing the double-sleep proc at the start. Guess my change of a 2nd Priestess to that Chemist was a good move.@skiploom: I look forward to our match. I know what my team's major weaknesses are and I'm not certain how they'll hold up against your crew. Either way, good luck You're next!. :D
Here's a little trivia... I did not test my team. So you may have a good chance of sending me to hell.
Guess I'll wait for match 30 then, see you there :mrgreen:
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Post by: Barren on May 09, 2012, 08:55:35 am
I guess Lord of the Rings does indeed reign supreme here! Bob Bree just couldn't stand waiting 3 hours for the movie to end so he asked for a quick exit from the movie theaters!! But in all seriousness the low HP on Bob Bree's team cost him the match defintely. That Ninja was impressive though, ninja edge with platina dagger climhazzrd proc guarantees a OHKO
Interesting the way this match went. I'm glad you tweaked your thief Xeno when your thief started to use greased bolt with his blaze gun doing the extra damage. Charm could have finished you off but I guess the Monk got unlucky (I hope that doesn't happen to me). But all that matters is the battle is won and there's plenty more to go
Wow those ninjas hurt! and the chemist was indeed effective in Round 1. Time mage with best compat raise 2's certainly prevented you from getting screwed by the ever fickle RNG! Good job Celdia I hope you do well in this tourney! and Dynablade, let's see how well you do in hell :D
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Post by: Dynablade on May 09, 2012, 12:24:10 pm
HP, damn. Did anyone on that squad have more than 350? Couple that with units that couldn't do a ton of damage (save the ninja who only did so thanks to Climhazzard) and..
Mimes are cool. Coupled with moves that buff in Quickening and Masa/Mura gives the Mime a ton of survival. Second map, Bad Luck turned good, and two clutch charms sealed it. Nameless Dance turned out to be clutch on the third map, slowing down the Samurai and Mime so that the priest could put them down with Holy.
Damn that was free. Even with the two Sleeps the team neither has AOE or big big damage. Most of it is guaranteed, but I got unlucky certainly in the first round with a 88% hit missing a critical ninja.. Those ninjas are so goddamn scary. Once they go down it can be cake, but it's like trying to eat through glass to get to said cake..
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 09, 2012, 04:19:51 pm
Ryason55 had the better team, I think. He just failed in the execution against Xeno due to some lucky procs (and repeated failure to land 55% charms in Round 3 while his opponent's negative status effects all connected).
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Post by: Barren on May 09, 2012, 07:38:33 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 15 Gaignun vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/q2fpWvm901M)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 16 Shade vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/v3ZLbZ6b2Q0)
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 09, 2012, 08:33:55 pm
The problem with low damage output. =P
I guess Shade got decently lucky with those Mimic Daravons? And Leif certainly got unlucky with Insult.
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Post by: TrueLight on May 09, 2012, 09:29:15 pm
..I thought it was going to be bad...but I didn't think it would be this bad :| Once I saw those three sleeps in round 1, I knew it was over. My team tired their best, but only got a mini "comeback" that didn't last long. That 600+ damage Kagesouji was brutal, but quite Epic at the same time! Round 2 was just as bad. Great map for sniping and those Mimic Daravons at the start clinched it. Darn you charmed Chemists! Why are you not using Mimic Daravon on your fellow Paladins :roll: GG Shade & GL in your next match! :)
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Post by: Dynablade on May 09, 2012, 11:09:20 pm
Dat Geomancer. So much damage with draw out, and healing through dark absorbed Kotetsu.
Wow, a small wall in the paladins and low Fr/Fa Chemists with AutoPotion keeps them around, Sleep and Death Sentence are the real killers. But holy shit that Kage, 700 damage?!? Most I've seen though this so far, and hell anything will have a hard time beating it..
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Post by: Xifanie on May 09, 2012, 11:29:58 pm
I ran all this seasons' teams on the first page in my new memory card generator with advance error checking and there was surprisingly, only one team with errors left. So I say well done on the manual error checking!
AeroGP's squire has a Giant Axe, which the Master Guide and FFTPatcher disallow to equip. It's used in his setup to strengthen his ninjitsu.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 09, 2012, 11:34:54 pm
:o
Wow, we all assumed that Squires could equip Axes/forgot they couldn't.
So, why can't Squires equip Axes? I'm guessing it had something to do with Squire overshadowing Geomancer, but I'm not sure. Seems weird that they can't.
Anyways, sorry for another error!
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Post by: dacheat on May 10, 2012, 02:37:18 am
Really close match. If Leif had gotten a timely Berserk hit or two I think that he would have taken game 1.
Weird match... Lots of charm and sleep shenanigans.
Otabo, I'm coming for you. :D
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Post by: Pride on May 10, 2012, 04:39:23 am
I simply adore Gaignun's team. It has a very nice balance between its Offense, Defense, and status effects. Even some lesser seen spells like Dispel Magic being used. Chiri for the pure damage, and the huge aoe of Kotetsu for healing + damage. Kotetsu would be better if Dark absorb wasn't so common (black costome...) however.
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 10, 2012, 07:43:34 am
See? I told you there was nothing to worry about. Death Sentence would pick up where the blaze guns left off.
As always, you have a CT synchronized team that's reasonably fast on the right units. I hope we never have to meet.
I'm guessing AeroGP wants to replace his axe with a prismatic rod?
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Post by: Otabo on May 10, 2012, 10:32:34 am
Really close match. If Leif had gotten a timely Berserk hit or two I think that he would have taken game 1.
Weird match... Lots of charm and sleep shenanigans.
Otabo, I'm coming for you. :D
Yeah, and it'll be a quick win for you. Two Holy users = GG. I'm not expecting much.
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on May 10, 2012, 11:16:04 am
Predictions
Round of 8: Gaignun vs. dacheat (mucus has at least a 1/3 chance due to frog) Angelus vs. Wiz AeroGP vs. Barren (Out of the four teams, iamBQB has the best team to beat Barren with but I'm not sure he can get past Dol.) fdc vs. Celdia (Xeno has at least a 1/3 chance due to various status effects)
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Post by: Barren on May 10, 2012, 11:31:28 am
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 17 jansported vs mucus (http://youtu.be/NlFJtGdaeDE)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 18 Otabo vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/Fy49i9ZR4KU)
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Post by: Dynablade on May 10, 2012, 11:42:10 am
Bio2's pretty awesome, good speed and damage plus the chance at Frog. Paladins did what they were supposed to, staying alive and assisting with items and the occasional ~110 damage. Good stuff mucus, that team is solid.
First map, Summon Magic + Holy raped. With no where to go, Otabo fell early. Dacheat's team is really synched well, with the summon, time spell and Holy all landing at the same time.
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Post by: Otabo on May 10, 2012, 01:11:00 pm
And that's what happens when you make a team in five minutes and not test it at all. Very one sided match; not surprised of the outcome. To be honest - this was expected. Maybe I'll have a shot in the underworld, though. Not a single Kagesougi, though? Meh. :roll:
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Post by: mucus on May 10, 2012, 01:46:38 pm
HOHOHO! Look at all those frogs! MORE FROGS I SAY!!! MORE!! Your priest wasn't doing enough heal duty, should ran that Esuna a LOT more. Mighta saved ya.... Thank you for the match though, it was nice to see my team working in perfect harmony like that!
otabo!!!! you were made into mince meat!
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Post by: dacheat on May 10, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
And that's what happens when you make a team in five minutes and not test it at all. Very one sided match; not surprised of the outcome. To be honest - this was expected. Maybe I'll have a shot in the underworld, though. Not a single Kagesougi, though? Meh. :roll:
Yeah, I dunno what was up with the lack of Kage. Good game though. Your team did a decent job taking the hits, but it couldn't respond with enough damage.
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Post by: mucus on May 10, 2012, 02:35:46 pm
dacheat~! you're doing down brother!
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Post by: dacheat on May 10, 2012, 02:43:05 pm
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Post by: mucus on May 10, 2012, 03:26:42 pm
oh shit, you brought a graphic to this? (http://api.ning.com/files/4rizSQE-59D-r1eKE4i56u3TbhvGtxA9Q2CNnROm0fvIYZNIFHsvNzyYywUkj59w-Y2XBq0kU-0qebz2TG7*b7n*U-EIjrVB/YoureGoingDown.jpeg) yeah true, but we can trash talk until then . . .
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 10, 2012, 05:16:02 pm
Well, if we're in the spirit of amping up for matches that aren't here yet...
I've managed to resist the urge to run test matches of my team against his, but on paper...I'd say it's about 50/50. Ultimately, I'd say his team will live and die by the success rate of Berserk. My team will live and die by the success rate of Equipment Breaks. My team's complete shit without their skillsets, whereas high defense won't be much help if Wiz's units are fighting at their base HP. If he can get at least two units down at once, or the right two berserked at once, then I'm out. Darkness is a mild hindrance, but easily remedied. The same for Poison. I've got Stigma Magic, Esuna, and Regen, three ways to beat Poison, two ways to beat Darkness...and only one unit that would be negatively affected by Darkness. Kiyomori will only hold water in combination with Insult. Once my units are Berserked, they won't heal Poison and Darkness, so they'll peristently try to attack at low accuracy and slowly die of Poison. It's a sound strategy if everything connects on enough units at once.
There doesn't appear to be a lot of damage on Wiz's team. The Thieves will deal concentrated damage and are packing a weapon that factors in speed, but it also factors in Fury, PA, and WP. It would take two speed to increase the damage on a Ninja Sword, Quickening would need to be used twice. As opposed to other weapons that work straight from PA, which could increase their damage more quickly with a skill like Accumulate. Although there is the simple fact of the speed itself, which will offer more turns in addition to occasional power boosts. The thought of those Thieves playing high speed rez-bots is a bit frightening. However, they are packing Phoenix Down which is just not going to fly against my team. Any one of my units can easily put down a newly PD'd unit. Alpha has the most limitations in terms of range and being subject to evasion, but even he could put down a PD'd unit. The other three will have an easy time from 6-8 range, with offensive skills that aren't subject to evasion. If a rez loop starts up, I'll have a definite advantage.
If a rez loop starts up...and it might not. My team deals low to moderate damage against average units. Against tanks like these it will be even lower. The Blast Gun against 40 Faith combined with Shell/Unyielding will only be minimally useful. Alpha has shit for PA and Victor's Romanda Gun won't do much good against 40 Fury combined with Defense Up/Unyielding. Sierra has Holy, but notably Short Charge in place of Magic Attack Up and only 60 Faith, as opposed to 70. Put that against high M-Def and it all spells trouble for me. Add to that the Poison, potential Berserk, Blind, and high speed Thieves dealing speed-based damage (that bypasses all of my evasion gear) and out-turning the entire battlefield. Big trouble.
If there's one thing I feel sure of though, it's that this match will go long. And a long round suits my team just fine. Alpha's likely to take low damage from any melee attacks, which will hopefully trigger a lot of PA Save. As Alpha's PA goes up, the enemy's equipment goes down with support from Victor, attacking from 8 range and hopefully avoiding all the Insult/Kiyomori spam. Echo and Sierra can offer support on offense or defense pretty flexibly. This is sure to be a nail-biter for me, but Wiz at 40 Fury is going to have a difficult time out-damaging the healing on my team.
Which is why I predict that he'll live and die by the success rate of Berserk...by the ability to take away my healing. Even one Berserk proc could be enough for Wiz to take the match if the AI capitalizes properly. Maybe I'm being too generous to myself in predicting a 50/50 match...it's possible that I'm a bit biased. And I haven't seen Wiz's team play yet, so I could easily be missing some factors of how well his team fits together. Maybe I'll just get steamrolled in 5 minutes. I hope that my team can at least force a third round though, or else I'm going to feel very foolish.
If anyone needs me, I'll be sacrificing goats to the Goddess of the RNG.
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Post by: Barren on May 10, 2012, 10:12:59 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 19 Squidgy vs LightningHax (http://youtu.be/0rOLxCQnGV4)
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Post by: dacheat on May 10, 2012, 10:49:14 pm
Round 3: Wat.
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Post by: Barren on May 11, 2012, 11:27:47 am
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 20 Angelus vs FFMaster (http://youtu.be/hHiJTYltDaE)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 21 Wiz vs Fantactic1316 (http://youtu.be/s-1minZlRD0)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 22 DomieV vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/vklXXBRxwwc)
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 11, 2012, 12:43:56 pm
Well, fuck.
Too much speed and too much Berserk, I never had a chance. Especially when Berserk gets combined with Poison. Shame my units are too stupid to heal Berserk and it lasts until death. If only Alpha had been closer to the Priests in Round 2, he could have Revived them.
Ah well, no use mourning what could have been. I look forward to getting my ass kicked in the loser's bracket.
Loved the music though. Nemo got me really pumped at the beginning.
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Post by: mucus on May 11, 2012, 12:53:20 pm
Bazinga! Thanks for the fun match guys! I really enjoyed it! Shadowstrike nice work!
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Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2012, 07:16:38 pm
Ouch, the lack of healing did FFMaster in. Although the well-placed Bizen Boat @ 3:45 in the match also contributed to having the enemy Time Mage resort to staff smacks instead of Raise 2 spamming.
Nothing surprising here at all. Even with all the breaks, my units were still impervious and didn't go down once.
Ouch man, no DPS from DomieV = game over. Sleeping unit attacked by a 2-handed AU Samurai = face melted.
You: .... Shame my units are too stupid to heal Berserk and it lasts until death.
The only way to heal berserk is to use refute from the mediator skillset, which is something 99% of people don't have.
And you're right about one thing, the pregame analysis you made was quite off proving that you're quite the fool :P
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 11, 2012, 08:46:34 pm
Well, the match did go long. And you did live along with the success rate of Berserk. I, however, did not live by the success rate of Equipment Breaks. And I did entirely fail to force a third round...which does make me twice the fool. :oops:
And the Master Skillsets spreadsheet lists Cancel: Berserk for both Esuna and Stigma Magic.
Is this an error in the spreadsheet or a bug in the patch?
I might've made Echo a White Magic Mediator if I'd realized. Could've had the Blast Gun innate and Refute instead of Stigma Magic. Ah well, I'll probably tweak the team a bit once the Tournament's over and then put the new one up in the Submissions thread.
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Post by: Xifanie on May 11, 2012, 08:52:26 pm
Yes, they both don't cure berserk... the Master Guide has many errors and I plan to something make something that will rip pure, legit data. Until then we have to bear with it or double check in FFTPatcher.
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Post by: Gaignun on May 11, 2012, 09:42:20 pm
Quote from: Pride on May 10, 2012, 04:39:23 amI simply adore Gaignun's team. It has a very nice balance between its Offense, Defense, and status effects. Even some lesser seen spells like Dispel Magic being used. Chiri for the pure damage, and the huge aoe of Kotetsu for healing + damage.
A little late on this, but thanks Pride. I'm pleased to know I have a fan. I tried to make the team as versatile as possible, although it still has its weaknesses (berserk being one, although that's a weakness for any team without Defense Rings or Refute).
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Post by: Dynablade on May 12, 2012, 02:06:48 am
Since the beginning matches, Angelus' squad has improved a lot, most noticeable in the chemist, who's climhazzard procs turn out to be a true hazard for anyone <~55%. Even with the THREE STOPS in the first round, FFMaster's team didn't have the raw damage to put anyone away.
And here we go. SHOUTOUTS TO CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH! damn, throwback and there are people alive today who have no idea what it was. ..As for the match itself, the first round was pretty free. Didn't help that the lancer did LESS damage when berserked than the priest.. Wait, Wiz' team. Is it based on Y U SO DERP? No BIG DAMAGE, but crippling effects? Huh, would like to see what happens in the next round though, since Tactic's team wasn't amazing, with the lancer (who is the damage dealer?) barely does 100, even with berserk. Against Celdia's ninjas, a berserk might be the worst thing ever. But add the darkness on top..
Dat's some bad luck, two 80% strikes missing? The sleep reversal on the first map pretty much ended the map, but the two missing Raises sealed it. Shadow has a lot of status effects as well, it's nice. Petrify, Don't Act, Sleep and who can forget, DEAD.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 12, 2012, 02:19:15 am
Wiz´s Team is disgusting if you have to face it : ) and quite strong i realy wonder how my Thiefs would do against yours, well i guess our Teams will be facing each other sooner or later
DomieV´s Team is one of my favorits to bad it has to make its way all through hell
@everyone prepare for Hell, matches are comming soon
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Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2012, 11:33:45 am
Forgot to comment on some of the previous matches
The geomancer doing her job (everyone else of course but more notably her) + Berserk missing = Good Day to Leif
Sleep + Kagesougi for a 600 Damage crit 0.o
Frog Procs and Reflect on the Faith Rod Wielding scholars makes them quite the magical force to be reckoned with.
Higher offensive output + sniping in general from dacheat's units did Otabo in. Slow 2's especially helped out with this.
I was on my toes for this one when I saw the tiebreaker was going to only last for a couple of minutes. Odin hitting was crucial and clinched it for Squidgy that round.
You: Is it based on Y U SO DERP? No BIG DAMAGE, but crippling effects?
First question, not at all. It's actually based on the second team I ever created here in Arena, The Speedsters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ympo7YwNA1c&fmt=18).
Second question, correct. I'll what I'm doing those is adding in a couple twists by humiliating teams using a severely underrated status (Berserk) as well as the obviously broken Masamune skill from Draw Out. Oh, and I forgot to add obviously quickening, which should've died a long time ago in the fires of hell.
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 12, 2012, 12:38:06 pm
The Lancer's not really the damage dealer. He's mostly just 400hp of distraction with a couple of mildly useful skills in the meantime. He can become a damage dealer in a long match with a lot of PA Save, but the other three units are supposed to get along fine without him.
The damage dealer is definitely Sierra the Priest (the one with Holy). And Victor the Archer sort of fills that role with Head and Armor Break. Echo does decent damage if she has high Faith targets for her Blast Gun, an attempt to turn high Faith against enemy Mages, even if they're packing a Reflect Ring. But Alpha the Lancer is pretty pitiful...PA Save was an attempt to make him slightly better, but it didn't work out as well as I'd hoped.
Berserk was definitely a great choice. No one makes a unit that's only an attacker, so taking away the use of their skillsets is a highly crippling status.
I never really thought of Quickening as anything deadly, but that's because I could never get the AI to prioritize it. Well done.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 12, 2012, 06:45:02 pm
I'm so hardcore I comment on a match before it gets posted here!
Ninjutsu is so strong, damn. Not much to say beyond that, except that archer had a really high chance at Don't Act, perhaps good compat? Fairly straightforward fight.
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Post by: Dol on May 12, 2012, 06:47:36 pm
Match 23 - AeroGP vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uedJkMWRFik&feature=g-u-u)
Next match took me all day to get a rendering software to compile correctly and will take 7 hours to upload to youtube. Sorry folks that wanted to see the next match soon :evil:
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Post by: Fanatic on May 12, 2012, 10:55:56 pm
7 hours!? Damn. Well, if anyone needs me, I'm going to be standing beside that giant elephant over there.
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Post by: Gaignun on May 12, 2012, 11:10:46 pm
Are you running your emulator at around 200 FPS? Higher FPS is one way of cutting down on length.
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Post by: Pride on May 13, 2012, 01:55:45 am
/me looks sheepishly at the ground
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Post by: Dol on May 13, 2012, 03:30:18 am
Match 24 - Fanatic vs Pride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DRqcxtmo5Y&feature=youtu.be).
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Post by: Pride on May 13, 2012, 04:33:01 am
Sorry about the team dol =x
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Post by: Barren on May 13, 2012, 09:07:47 am
Damn Aero's team hit pretty hard. I might likely face him if I can get past Avalanche and Dol or BQB that is.
Interesting that we see a Time Magic Ninja join the fray, I like his duo samurai builds :) But holy crap that was a long match!
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Post by: dacheat on May 13, 2012, 09:49:20 am
Nice ninjutsu sniping and damage output.
/sees match length
/maybe later...
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Post by: Dynablade on May 13, 2012, 10:37:35 am
..Very creative names, really.. Lotsa Don't Act, wow. Samurais had good damage, but spent more time either charmed or unable to act. Ninja got separated and that was the end. Second map was pretty much the exact opposite, with the thief getting displaced early, but now that the samurais didn't get DA'd early, that talk skill wrecked Pride's team. Clutch ninja with time magic, that's crazy. Here on the third map everyone got lost in the wind early and was probably the reason it went on so long. Relative low damage from both teams also. 150-200 here from samurais, 200+ holys there, 27 wizanibus.. MVP certainly goes to the ninja, the stops, those silences all very clutch, even if he couldn't do any damage.
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Post by: krilz on May 13, 2012, 11:38:03 am
Liking the tourney so far, even though I'm having a bit of a hard time following all the changes that's been made. I got to agree with Wiz though, Masamune seems a bit broken at the moment where 100% haste and regen makes Time Magic pretty useless. Maybe if Masamune would give 100% haste or regen like in 1.3 it would be better.
Also my tip for this season's winner:
mucus
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 13, 2012, 11:46:06 am
That was glorious. I love a long back and forth match. Time Magic Ninja was definitely a unique unit. Female Samurais with no offensive Draw Outs seems like an odd choice, but they did win the match. And the names were great too.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 13, 2012, 12:07:28 pm
Wow that first map took ages with not a lot of damage anywhere, save that Grand Cross monk. And wow, that second map. With only two extra PA, the monks do way more damage, ending it in quick fashion.
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Post by: Dol on May 13, 2012, 01:01:43 pm
I'd done some testing for team concepts against an earlier version of AeroGPs team, so I knew how deadly they could be. I have a feeling that Reks will go far in the underworld though :)
Such an even pairing. I usually dont talk that much, so I was running out of steam by the end. Dont worry about the matchup, more tactics are always a good thing!
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Post by: mucus on May 13, 2012, 03:51:48 pm
HOLY MOLEY! Aero's team is scary...Reks didn't stand a chance!
Even matching, moderate pacing. The real problem was when Pride's team stood in classic "hit us all" formation... oh yeah and the orator ditched his team
@ krilz - whoop! it's nice to know i have a fan! thank you sir.
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Post by: Barren on May 13, 2012, 06:06:04 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 25 Dol vs iamBQB (http://youtu.be/RXEALNkAlyQ)
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Post by: Dol on May 13, 2012, 06:30:21 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 26 Barren vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/d9vIk9h1cfo)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 27 FDC vs Frisky Dingo (http://youtu.be/PuCIjkzGM84)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 28 CT5Holy vs VireBlaze (http://youtu.be/Qmaq86mmMLc)
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Post by: Barren on May 13, 2012, 06:58:00 pm
well......DAMN! those thieves were annoying but lethal as hell. GG Avalanche
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Post by: dacheat on May 13, 2012, 07:44:13 pm
A fun match to watch. Dol's Scholar team is awesome, and BQB's physical juggernaut is quite a sight to behold.
Round 1: Dat triple Kotetsu kill. Round 2: Lol at Barren's Scholar Quaking the Archer. That was not the AI's best moment...
Fans aren't going to win you your match against me. :)
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Post by: iamBQB on May 13, 2012, 08:16:29 pm
I think my team had the advantage on the small map. In the 2nd round I think Dol might have been able to pull it off if his units hadn't split into 2 teams. Still Dol has a pretty good team, if my units didn't all have nearly 400 health I would have been in trouble. GG, and good luck for whatever poor sap has to go against him in the losers bracket.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 13, 2012, 09:22:59 pm
Jeez, my Oracle like never missed with her spells. Very lucky in that regard.
Those are some big numbers.
Those are some small numbers. Normally I'd chuckle at the 100 HP Murasames, but it was actually very relevant against Dol's team, effectively nullifying all his damage, especially with Regen from Masamune.
That was a fun round 1 with the Kotetsu killing everything. Those thieves were pretty effective, too.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 13, 2012, 09:48:13 pm
For a team of mages, not much oomph in their spells. Didn't help that on the second map half of Dol's scholars split from the others.
Think that Kotetsu killed FOUR people, a new record! Holy crap, Draw Out Bards are sick nasty. What the hell was the scholar thinking? I'll heal myself and kill my friend with spells! That's an AI derp if I've never seen one..
Damn that's a lot of power out of FDC, but what else would you expect from a player of his caliber.
That's a crazy looking frog, what happened there? Since he was orange the palette for the frog was messed up? Other than that, fairly straight forward fight, that oracle landing many don't acts made this quick.
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Post by: TrueLight on May 13, 2012, 10:00:13 pm
Avalanche's team has been a big surprise this season. Those Thieves are quite the nuisance and that Bard...four KOs in one turn...as for the Scholar using Quake on the Archer, perhaps she was trying to break charm?
That's some DPS...
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Post by: Avalanche on May 14, 2012, 09:50:24 am
great matches, eventhough the rng-luck was on my side especially on map number 2. But dont worry im sure your Team will be doing more than fine in the loosers bracket and maybe our teams have to fight each others once again.
Wow i guess FDCs team realy is one of the teams-to-beat in this season
Ct5holy´s team is a very well composed team with a good mixture of offensive, defensive and status capabilities
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Post by: mucus on May 14, 2012, 11:25:08 am
4 Scholars?! oh well...they couldn't dish out the pain. . . :(
Nice match! Good going avalanche!
Yeah...FDC's team barely seemed to notice the frisky dingo's team . . . I am scared of FDC's team
ct5 is another scary team >_<
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Post by: Dynablade on May 14, 2012, 06:03:10 pm
The white mage and scholar had good timing, the holy and Tornado hit back to back constantly, which made sure people died once they were targeted. A couple clutch Climhazzards put this away quickly. Does the AI not think about Projectile Guard when doing an attack with a long range weapon? Wondering why he kept going after the ninja constantly. Though I couldn't hear you, it was cool since I love Ken's theme.
Love love love mime teams, and that's just pregame. BUT WAIT. Isn't Besrodio's House not supposed to have that gigantic thing in the middle anymore? Aren't we on the new new patch where weather effects are gone from some stages and that big globe thing isn't in this one? But I like the mime team, using Quickening, Masa/Mura and Mad Science to great effect.
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 14, 2012, 08:32:06 pm
Would it be petty of me to complain about the giant globe?
Echo, stop shooting the enemy and go on rez duty you stupid fucking Priest! Fuck!
And Victor, why the fuck are you going for 30% attacks instead of 57% Breaks? Useless fuck.
Charm, Charm, and more Charm. ME: Fuck. Fuck! FUCK!
*deep breath* *sigh*
Ah well. Shitty team is shitty. I'll make a better one by the time we reach Season Two. :mrgreen:
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Post by: Dol on May 14, 2012, 09:23:38 pm
FFT Arena Tourney Season 1 Match 29 - Pierce vs Xeno (http://youtu.be/Aix6q6i38-0)
FFT Arena Tourney Season 1 Match 30 - Skiploom188 vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/H1YpelBPY0Q)
And with these, Round 2 is in the books! :mrgreen:
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Post by: Dynablade on May 14, 2012, 10:04:21 pm
Xeno's team is cool, hard anti sand bag and chip damage with Iron Boots Lore. Like Dol said, a couple magic rings and black costumes slow this team down dramatically.
So much power, that's amazing. Plus it's almost like Celdia WANTS the ninjas to fall on their first turn, as the next phoenix down from the chemist throws the enemy ai to attack the critical ninja, who is then raise2'd by the time mage. Then both ninjas have their turns and are at full power. That's the beginning of the end.
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Post by: Xeno on May 14, 2012, 10:59:46 pm
GG Pierce, black costume :(
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Post by: Celdia on May 14, 2012, 11:45:34 pm
A lucky gunshot crit in Round 1 sealed that up for me and the 53% Charm missing in Round 2 allowed me to make a repeat performance. Admittedly I didn't know quite what to expect in what I think is the closest thing to a mirror match I've seen yet, but I'm still happy with my team's performance. I was expecting a lot more hurt to come out of that Lancer. GG, skiploom.
@Dynablade: I wish I had that kind of foresight but it does seem to be an effective distraction to the AI so far. Just hoping my luck holds out for another round. I already know if it does that I won't be passing R4 though.
I don't know what units on Xeno's team worry me the most for the next round, but that Scholar is either going to ruin my shit or win me the match by triggering Critical Quick on my Ninjas. Time will tell.
Also, because I like running gags.... *points dramatically at Xeno* You're next!
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Post by: Xeno on May 15, 2012, 12:44:12 am
I got to admit my matches have had me worried, since i'm new to all this and inexperienced in team building, that i didn't expect to make it this far in the arena. Misfits is my first team so far and it's been going strong oddly enough and even if i lose this next round (Which of course i hope doesn't happen)it's been an extremely fun experience, I have learned a lot so far and will continue to do so. Good Luck CELDIA
*points dramatically at self* DON'T BE A COWARD, RETALIATE!!! :twisted: Self: I don't wanna!!! :cry:
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 15, 2012, 01:39:03 am
Ow. ... ... ... ... Okay, this reaction is way too short . Lemme make a video response about the result of this battle. Gimme some time.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 15, 2012, 03:18:41 am
FFT Arena Season One AI Tournament Match 46 (Loosers bracket) - lightninghax vs kagebunji (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-yZD2YwztE&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=5&feature=plcp)
FFT Arena Season One AI Tournament Match 47 - ffmaster vs lordbobbee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1G8PT153ag&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=4&feature=plcp)
FFT Arena Season One AI Tournament Match 48 - fantacitc1316 vs ryason55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_du1TlcZN9Y&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=3&feature=plcp)
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 15, 2012, 03:23:02 am
Also, because I like running gags.... *points dramatically at Xeno* You're next!
Hehe, prepare yourself Xeno. Because I just lost to Celdia today.
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Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on May 15, 2012, 03:48:18 am
Avalanche, you're not running the Arena AI Tournament patch, but the standard 1.37b patch. I don't think it actually affected the outcome of any of those matches, but you need to talk to Barren or someone and get the correct patch before commencing more matches.
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Post by: Barren on May 15, 2012, 08:35:24 am
Pretty tough for pierce considering that Thuder Flare keeps going off and the bard eventually got ganged up on. Ahh well, he has a shot in hell just like me
Everything in Rounds 1 & 2 played into her hands pretty much. Ninja dies twice, gets resurrected twice then gets to kill twice more :D Go Celdia!
Good match between these two, just too many breaks and status effects came into play. Kagebunji just earned himself a ticket to the doom train!
Projectile Guard makes ninja good bait apparently but only in situations like this. But hey its a good distraction nonetheless. Once charm hit in round 2 that was all she wrote
Once that raise 2 missed the lancer the first time, it was Ryason's match all the way. I do think it's also because between the two Ryason just had the better overall team with the mime helping the team in every way
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Post by: Angelus on May 15, 2012, 10:15:47 am
Late response on my part but
got to say that my change for my chemist certainly done more good than harm for me. hopefully my team continues to win the way it does. GG FFM! I had fun fighting ya mate
My match with squidgy, hopefully the same luck will occur for me in this one. I fear for death procs from odin
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Post by: DomieV on May 15, 2012, 10:17:26 am
Ahh my team didn't even get a chance to show what it can do :( I guess that's the way the ball bounces. Hopefully my luck will change when i face dynablade. Good luck to you man and good luck to Shadowstrike, he might surprise us all
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 15, 2012, 11:09:35 am
Video response as promised...
WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS
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Post by: dacheat on May 15, 2012, 02:19:06 pm
Is it just me, or can anyone else hear somebody playing guitar hero in the background of the first song on the ffmaster v. lordbobbree match?
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Post by: Ryason55 on May 16, 2012, 02:12:00 am
You know, I was slightly concerned about this match; mainly because of the breaks his archer has. Considering Serge's (intended) main thing is that giant sword of his. My fears were unfounded when Victor, when he did try breaking, aimed for armor.
Hmmm, Serge has this obsession with trying to charm the ladies instead of hitting things with his giant sword (which would then be more reliably mimic'd). Well, I guess as long as it actually works (unlike in one match 13), it should be fine. Everyone else on my team pretty much worked as expected.
I really get a charge any time a mimic is perfectly executed. Especially things like that Murasame and those Quakes.
During the animation for that one Raise 2 from Fantactic's team, I said to myself: "And then it missed". And then it did. That was great.
Well, I'm okay with this result. Good game, Fantactic!
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Post by: Barren on May 16, 2012, 07:34:45 am
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 31 Gaignun vs Shade (http://youtu.be/udX2gtoRiDo)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 32 mucus vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/oICics1oe0s)
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 16, 2012, 09:48:11 am
Damn, undisputed as always. Great team... Winner.
Time for video making...
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Post by: mucus on May 16, 2012, 09:56:05 am
HORY SHEEEEEEET! Round 1 was what, 30 seconds? Very good fight dacheat, you completely and utterly kicked my ass.
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Post by: dacheat on May 16, 2012, 11:11:58 am
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Post by: Dynablade on May 16, 2012, 03:16:51 pm
Small maps plus sleep missing multiple times was brutal. That draw out geomancer does big damage. Even with two sleeps in the second round the geomancer was enough to force sandbagging instead of offense, which shade lacked other than death sentence and antiphoenix down with the gunshots.
oh my god, ultra combo. i had noticed before that dacheat times that first turn attacking turn very well, tornado and two holys are perhaps completely in synch, leaving no chance to recover. didn't help that the two scholars had faith rods..
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Post by: Fantactic1316 on May 16, 2012, 04:35:58 pm
I tend to prefer the long and drawn out fights...but that first round was epic as all hell!
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Post by: mucus on May 16, 2012, 04:36:40 pm
I tend to prefer the long and drawn out fights...but that first round was epic as all hell!
it was truly epic!
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Post by: Dol on May 16, 2012, 07:17:28 pm
Netherworld Match 51 - Jansported vs Havermayer (http://youtu.be/axUPxI7P8rQ)
Netherworld Match 52 - Otabo vs Vigilanti (http://youtu.be/tQyiJEu9X-0)
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Post by: Dynablade on May 16, 2012, 07:46:34 pm
Anyway, very lucky charms from Jansported, how many in a row was that the first match, four? Didn't really matter in the end that the archer's setup was wrong..but yeah..
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Post by: Otabo on May 17, 2012, 12:37:19 am
See you guys next season. :|
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Post by: dacheat on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 am
Lucky charms in round 1, but I think that they only acted as a catalyst for the inevitable.
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 17, 2012, 04:35:03 am
Match 32 Result
WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS!
There's a little something near the end, enjoy!
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Post by: mucus on May 17, 2012, 10:01:18 am
Red and Blue have a deeper relationship than I ever knew! Skiploom this is so awesome! Thank you so much for your hard work! go go go dacheat! you must win the tournament!
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Post by: Dynablade on May 17, 2012, 10:15:39 am
Not much damage from either team, but a few battle songs and Berserk helped a lot.. Until the sane units fell. Good stuff on the second map, that ninja was able to keep people down easily. Third map was free, a couple status effects with the ninja-bard combo put a couple people down early and it was all downhill from there. Very very lucky Battle songs, which IIRC, hit everyone every time it was sung. okay not exactly but damn..
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Post by: Dynablade on May 17, 2012, 10:26:25 am
Quote from: mucus on May 17, 2012, 10:01:18 am Red and Blue have a deeper relationship than I ever knew! Skiploom this is so awesome! Thank you so much for your hard work! go go go dacheat! you must win the tournament!
Gaignun might have something to say about the winning part, but I'll do my best haha.
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Post by: mucus on May 17, 2012, 01:55:28 pm
*chanting* dacheat dacheat dacheat dacheat
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Post by: Celdia on May 17, 2012, 11:17:13 pm
To agree with a comment earlier in chat, these little videos you're making may turn out to be the best part of the tournament. Keep them coming, skiploom. ^_^
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 18, 2012, 02:58:21 am
Quote from: Celdia on May 17, 2012, 11:17:13 pm To agree with a comment earlier in chat, these little videos you're making may turn out to be the best part of the tournament. Keep them coming, skiploom. ^_^
Thanks for all the positive feedbacks! :mrgreen:
Just remember that you will get your video if you request for one.
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Post by: Barren on May 18, 2012, 10:44:31 am
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 33 Squidgy vs Angelus (http://youtu.be/CDdauOk2_Rk)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 34 Wiz vs Shadowstrike (http://youtu.be/tnD4JSj3Oew)
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 18, 2012, 11:44:40 am
During the part in Round 1 when the Archer was getting revived. "When all Raise fails, use Phoenix Down." Congrats to the winner.
My god, that mediator can INSULT. Cool team Wiz.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 18, 2012, 12:32:50 pm
skiploom: I'm going to need one for my inevitable defeat to fdc XD
(no seriously my team can't tank that much damage, and I don't think I can dish it out fast enough)
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Post by: Taichii on May 18, 2012, 12:41:47 pm
skiploom, more vids! :more: XD
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 18, 2012, 12:58:54 pm
If requests come up I'll make them :) . But expect one from CT5Holy in his match. Didn't hear any requests from match 33 and 34 yet.
Just stay tuned.
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Post by: Angelus on May 18, 2012, 01:02:37 pm
I knew the odin procs would do me in early :/ i'm proud of my efforts in round 1 but round 2 i got destroyed. Good fight mate! I guess me team is going down to hell! beware of alpha!
and skiploom, please do another bloody video for my team. Thanks mate :D
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 18, 2012, 01:32:11 pm
Ok then, but you'll have to wait a little because a request came in minutes before you did, sorry.
Current pending requests = 3
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Post by: Dynablade on May 18, 2012, 03:13:37 pm
Oh yeah the mime team, and the Battle axing platina dagger team. Should be fun and brutal. And it is, some good damage and again that Mime being a real bro, the sequence on that archer was great, and prompts me to ask again: Does the AI think about the miming, or does it just so happen to work out? Wait what, a charmed unit charming the unit that charmed them? What. It was very interesting on both ends, Angelus could tank effectively, but if that mime gets in the right position, he can dish out serious damage.
Oh right, this team. Wiz's team excels at the status effects, berserk was looking like it'd backfire until it hit the scholar and oracle.
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Post by: Gaignun on May 18, 2012, 04:45:52 pm
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Post by: dacheat on May 19, 2012, 03:00:39 am
Sorry mucus. I had to do it.
Warning: Spoilers for the match between me and mucus. There's also some naughty language. Just a heads up.
Wait for it.
Thanks for sending me the video Barren. :D
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Post by: Avalanche on May 19, 2012, 06:00:02 am
Sry for beeing a bit slow with the videos. I was very busy the last weeks. But this weekend i will record 4-5 battles
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Post by: Dynablade on May 19, 2012, 02:02:03 pm
HAPPY FEET THAT AINT FALCO goddamn, every time that video is hilarious
Good damage from Dingo, thought that initial Charm would screw him over, but the sleep missed the Summoner, allowing Dingo's team to recover. From there that Paladin did enough damage to put people down hard, and a couple holys later, it was over.
Really really wish there was a real reason to use zombies. Some good luck from the status ninjutsu attack helped make this somewhat quick.
Draw Out Bards, holy crap. Those kotetsus were awesome, and such range.. Man, zilla's paladin has the worst luck with raise 2..
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 19, 2012, 02:45:58 pm
Okay Angelus! Your wait is over!
WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS!
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Post by: Eternal on May 19, 2012, 02:59:18 pm
That poor Caterpie... ;_;
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Post by: Taichii on May 19, 2012, 03:11:09 pm
dat caterpie cant win agaisnt 4 baby ultros.. (http://www.ffage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Uncle_Ulty_by_haikuninja.png)
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Post by: Celdia on May 19, 2012, 03:18:52 pm
You know, I'm waiting for a major comeback battle just for skiploom's interpretation of it. XD
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 19, 2012, 11:10:53 pm
CT5Holy's match isn't here yet so,
A little interlude... WARNING: IT'S ABOUT MATCH 1, WE ALL KNOW WHO WON RIGHT?
Requested by the losing player of this match.
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Post by: Fanatic on May 20, 2012, 12:10:36 am
Uploading more Netherworld Goodness. Might take a bit, especially the first two. Links will follow when they are uploaded. Had multiple issues, so if you see errors or have suggestions, by all means let me know ASAP.
Match 56: Skiploom188 vs Dinosaur (http://youtu.be/HSvzR1ePKj4) Match 57: Reks vs Taichi (http://youtu.be/iSc7-pKty_8) Match 58: Dol vs St4rw4k3r (http://youtu.be/wsgGTrDX9Yg)
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Post by: Taichii on May 20, 2012, 12:31:03 am
A little interlude... WARNING: IT'S ABOUT MATCH 1, WE ALL KNOW WHO WON RIGHT?
Requested by the losing player of this match.
HAHAHAHA i lol'd .. real hard XD thanks alot skiploom XD and oh... my match is next.. cant wait for it later when i get home XD lets eat lunch guys o/
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 20, 2012, 02:27:59 am
That's the end for team skiploom I guess...
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Post by: Dynablade on May 20, 2012, 07:44:14 am
Holy crap! Loved the choices in music, sounded perfect for all the heavenly spells that were going off. That first map was pretty nice for Dinosaur, considering they didn't have to move in order to rain down the light. Iron Boots are cool, and a little luck ensured the priests were in range to put people down with holy.
More Holy. Lots more Holy. Though I do like Life Drain for a decent anti-sandbag tool. Does around as much as a fairy, so, yeah. Wait, actual Tactics music in a tactics tournament? Inconceivable! Three Raise 2s missing did not help at all, damn that's some fickle RNG. A couple early KOs on the ninjas ended the final map pretty quickly. The AI kinda seems really smart when you give them stuff to reflect spells, but then they do dumb shit at other times, like casting Frog on a unit that was about to die anyway.
If that Lancer hadn't moved out of the way, think we would have had another WOMBO COMBO. But still, Dol had some happy feet going into that first map, Tornado and Quake are really crazy. A raise 2 missing at 88% didn't help at all on the second, ending it quickly.
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Post by: Reks on May 20, 2012, 11:27:35 am
Bard badly needs more of an MP pool. Still, GG Taichii!
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Post by: Taichii on May 20, 2012, 12:33:20 pm
OMG.. i won? O____O *jumps for joy* XD hahaha i thought that i wont stand a chance against you guys XD well hopefully.. i think when the map is small i have an advantage..O_O so next match XD i wouldnt look forward to winning agaisnt pride though as i have too many female units and he may steal their heart XD but im still keeping my fingers crossed :D GOODGAME REKS O/ :D
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Post by: Fanatic on May 20, 2012, 12:53:25 pm
Sorry, originally wanted to post two matches Saturday morning and two matches Sunday morning so that there was time in between for people to watch them, but things got screwed up. So, to compliment the late Saturday matches, here is one more: Match 59!
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 59: Barren vs Eternal248 (http://youtu.be/NVJY8dsxw2s)
Side note: As you watch the matches, please check to make sure there is nothing off about your team or the mechanics. I recorded some matches and then saw a Life Drain that was not only Darkness Elemental, but also did not restore the caster's HP (only damaged HP). Since a previous match clued me in that Life Drain was NOT supposed to be like that, I knew something was wrong. As far as I can tell, maybe I patched a 1.3 ISO? Either way, I had to redo everything (including a search to find a clean ISO). I believe all issues were fixed, but you know what they say: Mistakes are like DUIs and mice - For every one you catch, there are four you don't.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 20, 2012, 01:04:33 pm
MIMES! Makes shit crazy every time. But not crazy enough to get past 300 Sh Charged Quakes for a instant KO on either summoner and that archer who did like a 374 kage, what.
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Post by: Eternal on May 20, 2012, 01:16:20 pm
Good match, Barren. Mime shenanigans are always fun to watch.
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Post by: Taichii on May 20, 2012, 01:56:09 pm
wew that many damage in a short range battle O_O barren is scary.. and also that guy who triple K.O.'ed wombo combo thingy... scary.. :cry:
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Post by: dacheat on May 20, 2012, 04:05:56 pm
Mime teams are awesome. If those Summoners were a little more durable Eternal would have had a much better chance.
Iron Boots Priests FTW.
Wow. Terrible luck in round 2 for Taichii. I'm glad that he ended up winning because that would have been a terrible way to lose.
Quad-Scholars. Epic.
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Post by: Dol on May 20, 2012, 07:46:23 pm
FFT Arena Match 35 - AeroGP vs Fanatic (http://youtu.be/Ky1eZohH1Og)
FFT Arena Match 36 - iamBQB vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/VHfT6Dc_rcw)
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Post by: Dynablade on May 20, 2012, 10:05:47 pm
Those samurai do major damage, wow. It actually helped that the ninja went out way ahead, gave Aero's team an easy target, both to kill and to revive. ~300 pole pokes are serious. But a larger map is certainly in Aero's favor, with Kage and holy being the meat of his group. At least it was, until the priest got stopped then the chemist got put to sleep..
Like the combo of sleep on weapons and status, really focused towards making sure people are down without being dead. Counter Flood shows its power with those petrifies. and even without them there were plenty of sleep procs from those swords to pull through.
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Post by: dacheat on May 20, 2012, 10:51:15 pm
Good match. At the beginning I thought that GP was gonna take the first round easily, but Fanatic's team came back with a timely silence proc and some time magic. I really like Fanatic's Samurais.
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Post by: Barren on May 20, 2012, 10:57:33 pm
awesome sequence that happened in Round 1! GG Eternal, I enjoyed our bloodbath we had
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Post by: dacheat on May 20, 2012, 11:10:29 pm
awesome sequence that happened in Round 1! GG Eternal, I enjoyed our bloodbath we had
Almost had a wombo combo v2 haha.
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Post by: Kagebunji on May 21, 2012, 01:44:11 pm
I just checked, and I lost two battles in a row. Fuck that, I am not entering another tournament with AI involved, cause I always loose. I challenge you cunts to a spriting contest instead!
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Post by: Reks on May 21, 2012, 01:46:51 pm
Quote from: Kagebunji on May 21, 2012, 01:44:11 pm I just checked, and I lost two battles in a row. Fuck that, I am not entering another tournament with AI involved, cause I always loose. I challenge you cunts to a spriting contest instead!
We do what we're good at, you do what you're good at.
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Post by: Kagebunji on May 21, 2012, 01:52:07 pm
Yeah, and I lost like three tournaments in a row without even getting out of the first brackets.
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Post by: Reks on May 21, 2012, 01:57:42 pm
And you're a godly spriter. Trade off? Or just not enough time messing with the AI? Either way.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 21, 2012, 02:35:48 pm
FFT Arena Season One AI Tournament Match 49 (loosers bracket) DomiV vs dynablde (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okNvmJWbY3g&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp)
FFT Arena Season One AI Tournament Match 50 (Loosers bracket) - Leif1991 vs thedamned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERKF983fqBM)
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Post by: Taichii on May 21, 2012, 03:09:52 pm
i think it should be domiV vs. dynablade? XD
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Post by: Avalanche on May 21, 2012, 03:44:32 pm
Ya thanks for pointing that out xD
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Post by: Dynablade on May 21, 2012, 09:08:42 pm
Damn, status effects. On every map they proved to be very powerful, Stop most of all. My squad couldn't really do heavy damage and they struggled to keep any sort of lead once the enemy got up. Good stuff, til next time~!
Was the team supposed to be based heavily on status? Well, guess it was but there wasn't much damage past the DAs/DMs/Silences TheDamned did get, and fucking Berserk, the nail in his coffin. Really lucky charms too, got at least five at ~55%.
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Post by: Barren on May 22, 2012, 12:06:51 am
Let me know Dol if you ever need me to do another match in the loser's barcket
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 63 - jansported vs Vigilanti (http://youtu.be/hxEQm_VH_rs)
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Post by: Dokurider on May 22, 2012, 12:57:42 am
Was the team supposed to be based heavily on status? Well, guess it was but there wasn't much damage past the DAs/DMs/Silences TheDamned did get, and fucking Berserk, the nail in his coffin. Really lucky charms too, got at least five at ~55%.
The Damned really needed Wiznaibus and it seemed the AI didn't want to use it, if they even had it. The dancers should have been optimized to deal more damage. Who was supposed to revive in the first place?
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Post by: Dynablade on May 22, 2012, 10:52:03 am
Jansported's team doesn't do a ton of damage, but they're fairly solid when together, with the black mage packing most of the punch. But if that thief gets separated, it's a big problem. And even when they were together, they just didn't do a ton of damage, allowing Vigilanti to recover and attack himself.
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Post by: Reks on May 22, 2012, 12:24:33 pm
That was one tanky Mediator.
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Post by: dacheat on May 22, 2012, 01:38:19 pm
I guess I haven't commentated any matches do y'all might be hesitant to do this, but if somebody's swamped with other work I can do a match or two for them provided that they send me a vid of the match.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 23, 2012, 05:26:58 am
Since the winner of this Match will be my next opponend i was thankfull that fanatic won that. Because ninjitsu is the natural enemy of my Team due to innocence on my thiefs. Eventhough i would be able to outsandbag it unitl innocence wears off. Still i rly dont like Ninjutsu and Kagesui skills. So good job Fanatic i hope our Match will be entertaining
One of my thiefs having a ninja knife instead of a hidden knife realy suprised me, I totaly forgott to change that, as is it seems
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Post by: Fanatic on May 23, 2012, 09:37:03 am
I figure I got about a 40% chance of winning the first round against you, Avalanche, and no chance to win any of the others. The amount of RNG blessings I need to win is... ridiculous. I loathe charm, and you've got three units to spam it with. Moreover, my samurai will only use MD if 1) a unit is charging an attack they wish to interrupt, 2) there are two units that can be affected by it, or 3) they have no other move. None of these three events are likely to happen outside of the first round. You should have no trouble killing me off, unless I knock you into sandbag or sleep/stop your guys before you start charming my team.
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Post by: Dol on May 23, 2012, 09:58:46 pm
FFT Arena Season 1 Match 35 - FDC vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/3lpv1Qr0ctw)
FFT Arena Season 1 Match 35 - Xeno vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/qV7-xdG2t2A)
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Post by: dinosaur on May 23, 2012, 10:01:06 pm
Quote from: dacheat on May 22, 2012, 01:38:19 pm I guess I haven't commentated any matches do y'all might be hesitant to do this, but if somebody's swamped with other work I can do a match or two for them provided that they send me a vid of the match.
I demand an audition video!! Just find two random arena teams and have fun- I look forward to the video :] you might be a star!
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Post by: dacheat on May 23, 2012, 10:05:34 pm
Unfortunately I can't record any arena battles right now since I'm having issues getting epsxe to run on my mac with wine. All of my testing and such has been done on my PSP (which occasionally freezes), and I can't record that...
If anyone wants to help me get epsxe running on wine I'll gladly record a video. I guess I'll look into getting it to work tonight.
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Post by: Celdia on May 23, 2012, 11:46:20 pm
I don't know what units on Xeno's team worry me the most for the next round, but that Scholar is either going to ruin my shit or win me the match by triggering Critical Quick on my Ninjas. Time will tell.
Fucking called it. Critical Quick saved my ass there. Gave me the advantage I needed to stop Xeno's sandbagging and wrap up that match. Damn fine fight, Xeno. That was an absolute nailbiter to watch. GG, +1, would fight again.
And because I'm never one to let a bad trend die...FDC, you're next! Oh god please don't let this hurt too much... ;_;
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 24, 2012, 12:36:43 am
Close! Damn. If only my ninja went to finish off the Scholar instead of I think Masamuneing himself and my archer. Ah well. Didn't even expect to get one round. And in R2 I only won because basically everything went my way. =P
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Post by: Xeno on May 24, 2012, 12:41:02 am
GG celdia and to bad for that quick proc on my part (Damn!)
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Post by: dacheat on May 24, 2012, 12:42:54 am
Dang. Really close match. Those don't acts definitely turned the tide toward CT5 in the second match, but he couldn't get any in the other two.
Nice. Another three round match. To be honest I thought that Celdia would take round 2 easily after watching round 1, but I guess I underestimated the power of Lore and Nameless Dance on such a large map. I thought that Xeno was going to come back and take round 3, but the critical: quick from the ninja was the turning point.
That's how I feel about my match against Gaignun haha.
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Post by: dinosaur on May 24, 2012, 01:19:04 am
Quote from: dacheat on May 23, 2012, 10:05:34 pm Unfortunately I can't record any arena battles right now since I'm having issues getting epsxe to run on my mac with wine. All of my testing and such has been done on my PSP (which occasionally freezes), and I can't record that...
If anyone wants to help me get epsxe running on wine I'll gladly record a video. I guess I'll look into getting it to work tonight.
I use a Mac- you do not need Wine. You should come on Chat at night and we can talk about how you can play with a Mac. Or you can PM me.
Im happy to help.
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 24, 2012, 01:32:57 am
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 24, 2012, 02:37:12 am
Oh, and sorry if the videos are taking too long Reks and CT5Holy. I'll try my best to make up for lost time.
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Post by: Reks on May 24, 2012, 10:45:34 am
It's fine. Take as long as you need.
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Post by: Dynablade on May 24, 2012, 02:16:34 pm
And here we go, two titans about to clash. Ouch, Kage shows its fangs with probable max damage shots coming from the archer. Holy and Quake, one puts them down, the other's fast enough to keep them down. Didn't help that CT5's first couple of 'attacks' in the DA attempts missed.. But then the exact opposite on the second map with the oracle getting a sleep, three dont acts and a FROG. Third map, damn, Holy. 400 damage, 200+ Jumps, Kage and 150+ Spin Fist, wow.
Really, Stop hitting that ninja was the reason Xeno won the second map. Not only because it stopped that ninja, but it also stopped his friend from moving 'forward', since his buddy was in the way. That ninja staying to the left of the map kept him from doing damage, which gave Xeno time to inflict status. And it was also really lucky that Celdia's Time mage decided to go for a sinkhole when she was barely outside of critical, which now thinking about it is probably why she didn't heal because she was at ~21%. That was probably more why Celdia lost, since the time mage brings people to full, the chemist can only do phoenix downs. But then the third map, ouch. Once those ninjas can converge on a target it creates a massive problem, since when they swing, someone dies. And double shots on the breaks almost kinda makes it like the Divine Knight skills, you got good odds at getting a break.
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 25, 2012, 04:16:15 am
Netherworld Match 56 Result (Me vs Dinosaur)
Sigh...
WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS!
After watching this: Q: Now you would ask me, why would you need your team alive in making these videos? A: Because they're the ones who tell me everything about all your matches. Oh yes, they're WATCHING YOU.
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Post by: dacheat on May 25, 2012, 04:21:15 am
i cri evertim
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Post by: Celdia on May 25, 2012, 05:15:29 am
Thanks to Sophia, the foo shall be maintained.
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Post by: Avalanche on May 25, 2012, 12:42:14 pm
Match 60 lightinghax vs LordBobBree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2IkDDrZBjk&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=2&feature=plcp)
Match 61 Ryason55 vs DomieV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIw4DHif3JQ&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp)
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Post by: Ryason55 on May 26, 2012, 04:27:41 am
Sadness. I was actually hoping I wouldn't have to go up against DomieV, but well.
That Samurai. So powerful. Didn't let Vernette get off any spells, which is, like, half my offensive. The Priest was also a thing.
Well, good game, DomieV.
... Oh well. At least I wasn't killed off immediately in both brackets this time.
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Post by: Barren on May 27, 2012, 10:19:20 am
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 39 Gaignun vs dacheat (http://youtu.be/OnZrn0_p94g)
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 40 Squidgy vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/oKJPPWOCFRE)
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Post by: dacheat on May 27, 2012, 02:18:40 pm
Ahh. Gg Gaignun. Kotetsu really killed me in both rounds. I wish my team would have pressed the advantage more in the second round, but oh well.
You have to win it all now so that I can say that I lost to the champ. :)
Edit:
Wiz's team is one of the few status-heavy teams that I enjoy watching. Berserk is a lot more powerful than I thought (although part of that was because I thought that Esuna and Stigma Magic cured it).
Edit2:
Also, I can cover a few matches for hosts if they're busy. Just let me know...
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Post by: Barren on May 27, 2012, 07:25:42 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 62 TrueLight vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/Do6R2YGVgk4)
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Post by: Dol on May 27, 2012, 08:26:29 pm
FFT Arena Tournament Netherworld Bracket Match 64 -The Frisky Dingo vs VireBlaze (http://youtu.be/IK0bHJOL1F8)
FFT Arena Tournament Netherworld Bracket Match 65 -Pierce vs Dinosaur (http://youtu.be/OXOfYs2XvDc)
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Post by: Reks on May 27, 2012, 11:27:45 pm
Couldn't cheer for either, because I like both of you. GG on the win, Lief, and there's always next time, TrueLight!
Yeesh, that Paladin hits HARD. Hate to see a team I gave to someone else, let alone my closest friend, lose. But still, a win is a win and GG Dingo!
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Post by: dinosaur on May 28, 2012, 05:06:59 am
UGH! My chemist is suppose to have phenix down. Whatever. And why weren't my priest doing holy to the bard? I thought the bards do not have any items that absorb Holy. I must be missing something. Anyways, I should have taught them comet. I have silly mistakes... I do not fully understand the AI .... so it makes sense.
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Post by: Barren on May 28, 2012, 08:14:39 am
I think dinosaur what happened was that your chemist was stuck in attacking rather than resurrecting somehow and plus your bard did not have anything to absorb holy, you gave him auto shell setiemson. magic ring is what you would have wanted to absorb holy
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Post by: TrueLight on May 28, 2012, 10:23:07 am
I guess my thief wasn't sexy enough :| He didn't land a single charm throughout the 3 rounds and that resulted in wasted turns. Kiyomori was the real killer here and it didn't help that my team couldn't cure blind very well. The outcome of each match was determine by the squires and their ability to kill their counterpart the quickest. GG Leif and GL in your next match.
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Post by: Fanatic on May 28, 2012, 11:40:58 pm
Losers Bracket Match 66 - Pride vs Taichii (http://youtu.be/5LpImlfGL2Q)
Losers Bracket Match 67 - Dol vs Barren (http://youtu.be/1jkygqcV4ic)
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 29, 2012, 02:58:10 am
I know it's late but...
Netherworld Match 57 Result - Reks vs Taichii WARNING: CONTAINS SPOILERS
Sorry for the delay, RL's settling in now...
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Post by: Taichii on May 29, 2012, 12:49:31 pm
fanatic.. wahaha! thanks very much for accepting the music request XD i guess it kinda kicked in the battle spirit in both teams :D and AWSM! .hacksign , wild arms epic music is epic XD Pride GG :) nice match.. rock and roll :D
skiploom WAHAHAHA random dancin' made me laugh very hard :DD thank you very very much XDV
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Post by: Dol on May 29, 2012, 11:11:34 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season One Match 41 - Fanatic vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/vjQfixcItA8)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season One Match 41 - Formerdeathcorps vs Celdia (http://youtu.be/sIx_JoGy4bo)
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Post by: Barren on May 30, 2012, 12:15:05 am
With the final four set up as of now I'll give my train of thought of each team
Record thus far: 6 wins 0 loses (never having to go to a round 3) He won the season 5 1.3 A.I. Tournament and wouldn't surprise me if he won because his team is pretty capable of taking out even the fiercest teams. though for his opponent I fear the RNG may get in his way because of the insult talk skill. No one on his team is physical at all so he may be at a disadvantage. He could still rock the underworld though.
Record thus far: 6 wins 0 loses (never having to go to a round 3) Despite what people may think of him personally considering his attitude change towards how he does his vids and what he thinks of FFT Arena personally, he does have a very effective squad. He takes down teams within 7-10 minutes unless the opponent has finger gaurd or berserk/poison/darkness protection which is rather uncommon in this tournament. His mission is to set everyone else straight that Arena needs a rehaul and that quickening is broken. While granted changes will be made after this tournament but they will be what it is whether he likes it or not. With that aside he may very well make the finals.
Record thus far: 8 wins 0 loses (never having to go to a round 3) Similar to Wiz's team except he takes status to a different direction with counter floods and sleep procs from the sleep swords. Unlike Wiz who built his thieves to be defensive and move-mp up with lots of speed building. Avalanche's thieves are more physical and anti-magic with flash hat innocent. Auto protect is a nice perk as well. His bard and oracle have also been very effective. Oracle being especially tough to bring down with Defense Up so its anyone's game honestly. He relies on the RNG so luck is in his favor.
Record thus far: 6 wins 1 loss (CT5Holy forced him to a tie breaker) Definitely the most hardcore team to make it this far to the final four. Plain and simple OHKO heaven, nuff said. As long as everything go his way he'll make it to the final round the way he likes to do it. And that is destroy everything in sight
As much as Wiz's team is highly annoying but effective, formerdeathcorps will claim his place as the FFT Arena Season 1 champion because his team should hit hard enough to force Wiz in the defensive long enough. *fingers crossed*
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Post by: Celdia on May 30, 2012, 12:18:43 am
...well, that went about as well as expected. -_- GG, FDC.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 30, 2012, 12:55:47 am
Paralyze vs Insult. =P
Kiyomori from Wiz is irrelevant (until Berserk lands), and no one can cure Don't Act. Don't Act + high speed = big problem. Well, Don't Act in general is a problem, but it's a very big problem if you can't quickly get rid of it. Zombie is another big problem for Wiz - Regen becomes his only method of healing (which works out ok, given that his team is fast), and Auto Potion will now hurt his Thieves. So yeah, that Oracle will probably be Gaignun's most important unit. Although that Bard's Holy will also do relevant amounts of damage. hmm
If Wiz lands a Berserk though... against Gaignun, there is no drawback to Berserk. Two low PA Rune Blades + Bag + Magic Gun, which doesn't get a damage boost from Berserk = no relevant increase in damage + all skills are shut off. Absolutely huge.
Should be fun to watch!
Avalanche's team is actually fairly similar to mine - two fast people, one hard hitter, one support. However, his damage output is worse than mine, and dropping fdc's units is absolutely critical. Avalanche's bard, his main damage dealer, is also the one unit without Defense UP/Protect - he is going to get crushed by probably fdc's Lancer. That being said, Raise 2 is probably better than Cure 3, so Avalanche might want his units to die, except if they're only going to get OHKO'd again...
And the other units are still going to get 2HKO'd, most likely. Maybe 3 for the Thieves if Auto Potion goes off. Also notable is that the Thieves are effectively immune to the Scholar between Innocent and Earth Clothes. So that's definitely good for Avalanche, except the Thieves will probably spend their turns using X-Potion, which is very not good against fdc.
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 30, 2012, 01:44:18 am
I wonder who will win. And I wonder if I'll make a video out of it without their knowing...
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Post by: skiploom188 on May 30, 2012, 08:48:45 am
Hmmm, little activity going on here huh? Oh well.
Anyway...
Match 37 Result - CT5Holy vs formerdeathcorps
CONTAINS SPOILERS!
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Post by: Taichii on May 30, 2012, 12:46:21 pm
as doku said... GOOO~~ DESPERATION RP'ers~!! haha
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Post by: Barren on May 30, 2012, 06:15:39 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 43 Gaignun vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/UT1OCwQ6BKM)
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Post by: Reks on May 30, 2012, 07:02:14 pm
Damn.... Just damn...... GG!
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Post by: dacheat on May 30, 2012, 07:25:52 pm
Clash of the titans. Epic match. My favorite so far (including mine :P). Wiz got a bit unlucky in round 3 with berserk not hitting early, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I have a feeling that we'll be seeing these two rematch in the finals.
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Post by: CT5Holy on May 30, 2012, 07:29:34 pm
Good show, gentlemen. Was indeed fun to watch. :D
Thanks skiploom! That's so like my Archer to miss his shots XD (no seriously, he missed so much in testing. quite infuriating.)
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Post by: TrueLight on May 30, 2012, 07:41:17 pm
Geomancer bringing the pain! Slashes from the Thieves made the Geomancer a beast and the Bard was very deadly with Holy. Quite surprised at the amount of Don't Acts landing considering that all of Wiz's units have 40 faith, but it happens. Very fun match to watch!
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Post by: Wiz on May 30, 2012, 10:20:01 pm
Normally I wouldn't comment under these circumstances since I was booted from making vids for no legitimate reasons provided whatsoever (And the fact that the patch itself is horribly imbalanced along with the arbitrary rules that it foolishly abides by), but due to the unfortunate loss, I'm pretty much obligated to (This is a tourney afterall and the only reason why I'm even investing time into Arena as of now, to obtain the crown).
Worst case scenario occurred (which is pretty rare) in that Gaignun won due to luck exclusively by dodging berserk frequently (5/8 in R1 and 2/2 in R3) whilst inflicitng negative statii at the same time via the oracle consecutively. (At lower % chances mind you).
Just to give you a general idea of how lucky he was throughout this match...
.36 *.36 (Dodging 2x in a row) = .1296 = 12.96%
.64 * .64 *.64 * .64 (Getting hit by Berserk 4x in a row) ~~ 16.78%
tl;dr Odds were highly in my favor to win in R1, and the way only Gaignun can take R1 (And beat my team in general) is if Berserk misses more often than it hits and he capitalizes on it, which he did.
As for the match itself, I was suprised at how much MA the Geomancer accumulated via MA Save and the number of missed opportunities there were with Insult, but with the AI prioritizing Kiyomori over it, that was not meant to be. My favorite part in that round was probably the Mediator getting up from undead two times (I think) in a row because that gave me a little hope that something good would come out of it. R2 was expected since large maps are where I'm at the greatest advantage (And the result here is generally how all rounds play out between our two teams once 2/4 units are berserked). R3 on the other hand, I pretty much got a giant ass whoopin as punishment for missing Berserk twice in a row.
All in all, it was still enjoyable while it lasted (Although somewhat annoying that it's reminiscent of last season I have to admit) even with the RNG Gods cursing me and blessing Gaignun.
And dacheat, the only way I'll be making it to the championship match with certainty is if fdc ends up winning the Finals match and I get pitted against Gaignun again.
A maxed out PA/MA setup, i.e., fdc's team, berserked heavy hitters like ninjas with Attack UP and Angel Rings, and AU Stone Gun wielders, are pretty much my team's only major weaknesses (Assuming the damage is concentrated) and Gaignun's team is a pseudo-weakness of mine (Ninjitsu too) if the odds decide to get screwy with me as demonstrated in this match. Other than that, my team pretty much beats everything else that doesn't have berserk immunity (Ribbon, Diamond Armor, Defense Ring).
tl;dr Assassinate my team with very high damage outputs and potentially by status via luck, or slowly but surely be assassinated.
When I say "pseudo" I mean it's a least something I can competently cope with and have a good chance of making a comeback. Just to end it off, consider this, berserk cancels and minimizes these units to being essentially ineffective...
Anyways, enough of the excuses, I've got better things to be doing.
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Post by: Barren on May 30, 2012, 10:34:33 pm
At least you can take a loss like a man Wiz XD
but with that aside, you still showed that your team can wreck havoc with little or no preparation against insult so pat yourself on the back
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Post by: Gaignun on May 31, 2012, 01:00:43 am
Dodging Berserk is the only way for anyone to take rounds from you. The fact that you point out the success rate of a single skill to explain your loss underscores what you set out to prove: that Berserk is broken. You and I both know that the outcome of every one of your matches depends on this skill. That I was able to show you the first (and probably the only - I must confess I expected to lose, too) loss of your tournament is that my team can actually hold its own when it's not blighted by this status effect made practically incurable to encourage a one-dimensional strategy nobody uses to begin with.
Indeed, the reason why I took those two rounds was because Berserk missed at the right times. Did you notice how poor my oracle's luck was, too, though? The first two ~60% zombies of round 1 missed, and the third one, which finally connected, ended up being responsible for bringing one of your mediators back to life twice over. My oracle wasn't blessed by the RNG at all; she was simply targeting more units at a higher frequency than your mediators were (excluding their use of Kiyomori, which I could shrug off).
Sticking only to success rates to explain my victory is of little importance, though. In spite of whatever luck my oracle enjoyed, it still took all four of my units working in concert to bring you down. Compare this to Berserk in round 2, in which my fate was sealed the moment a single one of your mediators inflicted my oracle with Berserk on your second turn. The difference in our team's potency is as clear as crystal.
Outrageous luck aside, don't undersell your team. I assure you from testing that DPS is not a hard counter to your team - at least on all but the smallest maps. Berserk + Blind neutralises everything without an Angel Ring, 70 Brave, and stacked PA. But even then, such a unit is too slow to overload your double-turning item bots. I fear we will meet again whether or not I am sent to the loser's bracket next round. If we end up meeting in the championship round, I think I will arbitrarily reduce the number of battles per match from five to three. Otherwise the playtime could clock in at around an hour - double that if you win!
... Yeah, let's hope you eliminate me in the loser's bracket.
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Post by: dacheat on May 31, 2012, 02:40:07 am
Quote from: WizAnd dacheat, the only way I'll be making it to the championship match with certainty is if fdc ends up winning the Finals match and I get pitted against Gaignun again.
Shouldn't the loser's bracket champ face the winner's bracket champ in the finals (with the LB champ having to win twice to claim the title) since it's double elimination? That's how I've always seen in done in double elimination tournaments like this.
EDIT: Nvm, I completely misread what you said.
I still stand by my prediction that you're going to see Gaignun again in the finals.
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Post by: Barren on May 31, 2012, 10:17:46 am
If its all right with Dol while he takes care of the other semi final match and the rest of the loser's bracket matches he's assigned I can take care of the final match then the championship match. I'm cool either way with whatever happens
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Post by: Dol on May 31, 2012, 10:23:20 am
Quote from: Barren on May 31, 2012, 10:17:46 am If its all right with Dol while he takes care of the other semi final match and the rest of the loser's bracket matches he's assigned I can take care of the final match then the championship match. I'm cool either way with whatever happens
Thats fine Barren. I'll have my part of round 3 of the losers bracket and the other semifinal match up late tonight.
Barren's team was one of the teams I quicktested my team against when I put it together. Unfortunately, no surprises for me there.
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Post by: Barren on May 31, 2012, 01:20:14 pm
Good match man, that Bio 2 in Round 2 is what turned the tide for you no doubt. Round 3 was just a massacre. Still good to see that I'm climbing my way up so far. Hopefully this streak will continue. Otherwise see you all next season XD
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Post by: dinosaur on May 31, 2012, 02:05:11 pm
Yeeeah, I am starting to see that Kagisugi (sp) is one of the staples for strong teams that are progressing in this tournament. Those one hit KOs from the archer was really tough for Dol. Since the Archer was a frog on the second round, I think that is why Dol won.
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Post by: Dol on May 31, 2012, 10:22:44 pm
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 44 - Avalanche vs Formerdeathcorps (http://youtu.be/XsQXihjViv0)
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Post by: Reks on May 31, 2012, 11:55:22 pm
Well, that was unexpected. Those Don't Acts messed up FDC heavily on the larger maps, where FDC wasn't as effective. Plus a OHKO Kage got blocked by the Bard in the last round, as that would have messed with Avalanche's ability to press his offense. GG!
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Post by: Taichii on June 01, 2012, 12:08:08 am
a fellow rp'er has fallen.. a drop of tear makes a sound as it hit the dust covered mat... TT^TT we hope you could make a comeback for the championship sixe .. all hail FDC o/
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Post by: dacheat on June 01, 2012, 05:05:12 am
The only time that Paralyze missed in the third round was when the AI accidentally targeted its own thief. Just sayin'. It'll be interesting to see these guys go up against Gaignun's team in the WB finals.
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Post by: Barren on June 01, 2012, 07:32:39 am
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 67 Dol vs Barren (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jkygqcV4ic)
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 71 CT5Holy vs Vigilanti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uR_ycmXhwA)
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 72 mucus vs The Frisky Dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxhXMhSOjZo)
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 73 Shade vs Pierce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8cF6jiG0Uo)
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Post by: Avalanche on June 01, 2012, 07:33:02 am
Well the outcome is not to suprising for me. But it could have gone either way still. I was lucky, that my Oracle could midcharge his scholar and with over 80% dont act the realy heavy dmg spells couldnt go off.
So sorry for beeing so slow with the loosers bracket, im start recording today. If someone wants to speed it up, he can record some battles for me.
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Post by: Barren on June 01, 2012, 07:40:52 am
Well you're doing matches 68-70 is there any matches you want me to do for you Avalanche?
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Post by: Avalanche on June 01, 2012, 08:19:09 am
You can do Match 70 if you like.
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Post by: Barren on June 01, 2012, 09:02:48 am
Hey fanatic, I'm covering the games In your bracket that involve your team right?
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Post by: Barren on June 05, 2012, 01:01:20 pm
Another good match here. Round 3 was crucial when the counter magic silence triggered and it was uphill from there. GG Angelus. Good luck next season.
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Post by: Taichii on June 05, 2012, 01:37:01 pm
T____T i blame myself for not requesting a battle theme that's why i lost huhu but what the heck. it was one hellofamatch >:] make em wait a little longaaah XD haha shadow's katana cant hit nymph :">
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Post by: Angelus on June 06, 2012, 01:16:58 pm
if only that counter magic never triggered :(. but hey my team gave it all they got. See you all next season.
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Post by: Barren on June 06, 2012, 01:27:46 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 70 Xeno vs Leif1991 (http://youtu.be/AYxFewZ_eSI)
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Post by: Leif1991 on June 06, 2012, 07:00:00 pm
Clever use of the multiple stop procs in the first round. GG Xeno. Good luck next time.
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Post by: Xeno on June 07, 2012, 02:02:11 pm
Oh well maybe next time, GG leif
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Post by: Avalanche on June 07, 2012, 07:13:23 pm
Here are the last matches of round 3 of the loosers bracket (finaly)
Match 68 IamBqB vs LordBobBree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQNwZ2YNLU&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=2&feature=plcp)
Match 69 AeroGp vs DomieV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOrNaWQBJM&list=UUGM1rjpdPpi3pFb6g41aSlg&index=1&feature=plcp)
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Post by: Dol on June 12, 2012, 11:55:43 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 77 - Leif1991 vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/J4KGQtMm7UQ)
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 14, 2012, 03:11:34 am
Yikes that was long! Squire's Meiton healed for a ton, jeez. Got really lucky with the Charms missing, and obviously the no Soft on Archer R2.
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Post by: Gaignun on June 14, 2012, 03:17:01 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 76 - iamBQB vs AeroGP (http://youtu.be/stNAij7nHi8)
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Post by: CT5Holy on June 15, 2012, 12:32:47 am
Wow, odd behavior from Aero's Chemist in R2 - choosing to shoot BQB's Samurai instead of Hi-Potioning the Archer, and then towards the end not moving even though a Lancer was going to land on him.
Good fight though.
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Post by: Fanatic on June 16, 2012, 02:01:25 am
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 78 - The Frisky Dingo vs Shade (http://youtu.be/gl-UT2Mpu00)
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 79 - Shadowstrike vs Barren (http://youtu.be/AQnbClmelRY)
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Post by: Avalanche on June 16, 2012, 10:50:27 am
Thanks Gaignun for taking over the match. Congratulation BQB nice Matches
Barrens Team is to strong to beat it without a little luck on your side
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Post by: Barren on June 16, 2012, 03:59:23 pm
Close match for the both of them, BQB shows his staying power against Aero's hard hitting units.
Easily it could have gone either way. I thought my monk dying was going to turn things around for you in Round 2 but with a couple of my reraise tricks kept me in the hunt long enough to take you down. GG Shadowstrike and better luck next time. I enjoyed our fight.
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Post by: dacheat on June 16, 2012, 05:33:43 pm
I'll do Fanatic v. Shade tonight or sometime tomorrow.
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Post by: Gaignun on June 18, 2012, 03:37:48 pm
The video card on the desktop I used to record videos seems to have bit the dust, and my laptop is refusing to accept audio, so match 80 is seeing a bit of a delay. Go ahead with matches 81 to 83 while this problem of mine gets sorted out.
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Post by: dacheat on June 18, 2012, 11:01:33 pm
Sorry I'm running late guys. The last two days have been unexpectedly busy with me suddenly getting a job and doctor's visits and stuff. I have everything set up to record the match right now, and I'll record it first thing in the morning after I get some sleep.
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Post by: Barren on June 19, 2012, 06:52:25 am
I'll be handling Match 80 tomorrow so stay tuned for more loser's bracket matches (if you hadn't tuned out already)
And a personal update my mom is actually getting better (for those who read my post in the arena videos and discussion thread know what i'm talking about) and I should be able to finish the tournament as scheduled.
Thanks again everyone for your support. Like I said at the end of the message I'll be back in action before you know it!
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Post by: Zareb on June 19, 2012, 06:38:38 pm
And a personal update my mom is actually getting better (for those who read my post in the arena videos and discussion thread know what i'm talking about) and I should be able to finish the tournament as scheduled.
Thanks again everyone for your support. Like I said at the end of the message I'll be back in action before you know it!
Glad to hear that your mother is doing better, Barren!
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Post by: Barren on June 20, 2012, 11:43:19 am
I'm Back! :D
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 80 dacheat vs iamBQB (http://youtu.be/OXLFQBM4uvU)
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Post by: SoySauceMaster on June 20, 2012, 09:06:04 pm
Glad to hear everything's alright, Barren.
Dem jumps. About the only situation where jump has potential, even if it's the best physical weapon skill.
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Post by: dacheat on June 22, 2012, 05:34:02 pm
I lost. :(
GG BQB. Those jumps really did me in.[/spoilers]
Can one of y'all hosts send me the match intro? I've had fanatic v shade done for a few days, but I don't have the intro. I also can't access the YT channel, and the video is too large to send to a host so could one of y'all PM me the login so I can upload it myself?
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Post by: Fanatic on June 24, 2012, 10:20:03 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 83 - Celdia vs Barren (http://youtu.be/fHNkd9-yuUU)
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Post by: Celdia on June 25, 2012, 01:39:55 am
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Post by: Barren on June 25, 2012, 05:59:23 am
Your ninjas worried me in round 1 but thankfully the raise 2's hit because the RNG can be very fickle at times. But I slowly but surely just took command of the battle and won. GG Celdia it was fun facing you
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Post by: dacheat on June 26, 2012, 04:03:02 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 82 - Fanatic v Shade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngg9DG9jhgc)
Should be up in a few minutes after it finished processing.
EDIT: Alright it's up. The first round is a little bit zoomed in because I made a mistake capping it, but the rest is normal.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on June 26, 2012, 05:25:49 pm
Because of the results of the match, we do not need a redo, but Shade's Paladins had 0% P-EV even though he has a shield and is defending. This bug deserves attention because it may affect his team's future performance.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on June 26, 2012, 08:46:03 pm
Great match! I knew lack of revival would get me, and your team's Death Sentence spamming nailed the weak spot. You even won despite your strangely glitched 0 evade knights. I wish you luck in your future matches - you've got a very tough opponent ahead of you.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on June 26, 2012, 11:21:00 pm
Wow that was a long match but talk skill does its job well. Looks like I'm up against a team with capable luck on his side. Best of luck Shade
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on June 30, 2012, 08:41:20 pm
Attention tournament hosts: We must finish up this tournament as soon as possible. If someone needs me or anyone else to do their loser's bracket match please contact me or that person you have in mind
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on June 30, 2012, 09:16:39 pm
If any host cannot do his videos, I now have the free time to do the videos.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on July 02, 2012, 01:42:54 am
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 85 - Shade vs Barren (http://youtu.be/2KNj6SM6bbg)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 02, 2012, 08:08:54 am
You're team is definitely tougher than i thought but thankfully my team was able to pull it together and out-damage yours in the end. That was a pretty lengthy battle but a good one at that. GG Shade.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 02, 2012, 12:02:51 pm
Back to the action!
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 81 - Squidgy vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/bs_4UuIJNdA)
also update the loser's bracket gaignun when you get the chance
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on July 02, 2012, 09:00:10 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 87 - Wiz vs Barren (http://youtu.be/gsEslm-pmYA)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 03, 2012, 06:19:10 am
Great match Wiz. And to be honest I was scared in knowing that berserk could screw me over. But yet somehow My archer and bard together was able to weaken your team long enough that you kept sandbagging rather than talk skilling for the whole time. Thankfully for my monk's charm hit to buy me time to make a strong comeback. But twice berserk hit through finger guard, that's definitely the odds working against you though it was in your favor. My bard not getting insulted in Rounds 2 & 3 also contributed. You're performance in this tournament is nothing to be ashamed of at all. GG Wiz. Better luck next time
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Wiz on July 04, 2012, 01:25:50 am
You're performance in this tournament is nothing to be ashamed of at all. GG Wiz. Better luck next time
I never said that I was ashamed about my performance at all, what I said was that I was very annoyed that I got eliminated from the winner's bracket the way that I did. Watching a team (Gaignun's) that's outright inferior to mine in both design and in a head-to-head matchup pull a rabbit out of its ass and dodge five 36% chances where four out of those five would've sealed its fate is annoying as fuck. And that's despite the handicap with it being essentially a 3v4 working against me where one of my mediator's was zombified (which almost is never casted since the AI prioritizes DA and Dispel Magic before it) and inactive most of Round 1. As for this matchup in the loser's bracket, I was fully expecting to be swept 0-2 since your team at the behest of your knowledge is a direct counter to mine. Sally having immunity to berserk along with access to quickening and chakra coupled with units that did respectable amounts of damage (Scholar's quake that's buffed by earth clothes and magick attack up, draw out bard, and kagesougi archer) individually with the bonus of AOE makes it extremely difficult to heal up competently using AOE healing. I only won R1 because I was able to inflict berserk onto the bard early on and had I not done so, it would've been over a lot sooner.
Basically, theoretical probability didn't go the way that it was supposed to (I should've beat Gaignun and had I done so, I would've been the winner's bracket champion; And you should've lost to shade... had he won and fought me, I would've beat him, fdc/ct5holy, and avalanche, meaning I would've been in the championship match had that scenario occurred) and I just gotta shrug my shoulders and say "oh well".
No matter, even if I got eliminated with my final team creation, it's still a double elim tourney, which isn't the most accurate representation of measuring which team's top tier so whatever. Round robin's a more precise way to rank individual teams as to who's on top/bottom. Then again, I don't care what happens from here on out because of the restrictions it blindly follows and so few choices in equipment, jobs, etc...
I referenced this (http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=6083.0) link before in the rules thread for this AI tourney, but I guess no one got the memo, so I'll c/p most of Voldemort's posts (in particular, the ones that are substantive), which, should easily be common sense when you think about them for a second (I'll bold the parts that are worth noting and underline the key problem)...
Voldemort
1.3 is not balanced for 4v4, that's why it's using 4v4 rules (max 2 of each item, skill, limits on ninja and samu, some top end skills, 3400 JP, etc etc). And with those rules in place, it does OK. (Alot of imba stuff has been weeded out through S1 and S2, putting us where we are now, and I doubt anything in S4 right now can be called "overpowered") - but that's the price you pay for running 4v4 on a patch that was designed for something else in mind (player vs AI)
Arena changes tons of things about the game but for some reason still follows some 4v4 rules like 1.3 does (such as 3400 JP limit) which makes no sense, since it was DESIGNED with 4v4 balance in mind - so keeping the rules for the sake of "balance" is very contradictory in Arena, because the reason those rules are here in 13030 is because the patch is NOT "Balanced" for 4v4.
I don't feel like Arena has a clear direction right now and the fact that it's still clinging to the aforementioned rules leads me to believe that there's still a lot of work to be done with it's "balance".
Arena doesn't have to care about breaking the single player balance when they switch things up, so they have a lot more possibilities to get 4v4 right, WITHOUT arbitrary rules like we have here. I don't understand why it doesn't take advantage of that, but that's another topic altogether.
Pokeytax Quote from Voldemort "I don't feel like Arena has a clear direction right now and the fact that it's still clinging to the aforementioned rules leads me to believe that there's still a lot of work to be done with it's "balance"."
Yeah but you only get there by running a bunch of matches. Arena is under construction and includes a lot of awesome lunacy like Mimes so I don't blame them for having a lot of makeshift rules to keep things within reason. A comprehensive Master Guide and some regular minitourneys/league would help though, the action seems to be paused at "yep Pride's team sure is merciless" and it's hard for a new person to make heads or tails. Don't want to sound too negative because it's very neat and ambitious. I would like to see the current tourneys continue awhile as they're far from played out.
Voldemort Quote from pokeytax "Arena is under construction and includes a lot of awesome lunacy like Mimes so I don't blame them for having a lot of makeshift rules to keep things within reason. A comprehensive Master Guide and some regular minitourneys/league would help though."
You seem to miss the very obvious point that they will never have a balanced product that doesn't require 13030's arbitrary 4v4 rules if they keep running test tourneys using those rules and balancing with those rules in place. I don't see how it can get any simpler than that. If they balance with arbitrary 4v4 1.3 rules, then the final product's balance will depend on those rules. Otherwise the balance is gone once you lift the rules, meaning you had no 4v4 balance to begin with, and ended up in the same place (4v4 wise) 13030 is at.
They aren't "makeshift rules", they are 13030's 4v4 rules, put in place here because 13030 isn't balanced for 4v4, yet Arena is supposed to be. Please reply to my post as a whole, I already stated this exact same thing already.
Philsov Quote "Each unit has 3000 JP to spend on various abilities. It costs 250 JP to unlock ANY job.(includes Squire/Chemist) For example, to unlock Ninja, you only have to spend 250 JP(the 250 JP is lost forever). You do not need to unlock Squire/Knight/etc to unlock Ninja."
Sounds pretty different. imo the cap and/or cost of skills and/or the unlocking fee need to be tweaked, but its certainly different that what 1.3 AI offers. The other core rules under FFT: Arena are.... what... 4v4, limit 2 of any skill or item, and elemental wholly purchased for 600 JP. All of which are pretty solid (again, minus the JP number) -- these are not so much borrowing from 1.3 as they are just good rules for the sake of balance and to avoid stacking.
Voldemort
It's different, but still arbitrary as hell. There is no point in keeping those rules when you are no longer bound to pay attention to single player balance (which is the limitation we have here in 13030).
Arena should have no arbitrary limitations in place like we do here, because it's free to change whatever it wants in order to achieve 4v4 balance. Relying on our crutch rules when you have so much freedom to truly balance out the 4v4 is lazy and a waste of time, IMO, or just simply lack of ideas / will to balance it out properly. Have some balls. Lift the rules, that's why the patch was started in the first place, for 4v4 balance.
It's like going to a Starcraft tourney and being told "you're only allowed to build 5 unit types in each match, because that's what we balanced around". That's not balance, just the illusion of it- OR an RTS with a very small scope!
Philsov Quote from Voldemort "There is no point in keeping those rules when you are no longer bound to pay attention to single player balance (which is the limitation we have here in 13030)."
The 3400 JP rule? I made the 3400 JP rule with PvP balance in mind, completely ignoring the single player aspect. Simply put -- there's a long list of powerful combos that certain JP caps offer, especially when coupled with the tree-like job unlocking system. 3400 was enough to unlock Ninja/Samurai/Dancer/Sage with a decent primary skill or two, but didn't for example allow MAU wizards with draw out, teleport or defense up on advanced melee units, severly limited damage split options, etcetcetc.
This... is not the case in Arena. But the JP cap still serves to prevent killer R/S/M combos coupled with extremely heavy action skillsets and makes team creation more interesting.
What you're asking for is going to a Starcraft tourney and asking to play as Protoss, Human, and Zerg all at the same time.
edit: Not that I'm versed in SCII at all, but doesn't the current bracket systems have a "twist" in ruleset that changes at some interval?
Voldemort If it's balanced for 4v4, there are no "killer, unstoppable R/S/M combos" that can't be countered, hence the word balance.
You can call it "more interesting team creation".
I'll call it "arbitrary rules which just limit my options like they did in 13030 tourneys" and "conditional balance that depends on arbitrary rules which vanishes the moment you lift them".
Philsov Quote from Voldemort "If it's balanced for 4v4, there are no "killer, unstoppable R/S/M combos" that can't be countered, hence the word balance."
Considering the options are:
1) Remove them from the game 2) Give them a JP cost/limit to prevent that much synergy 3) ASM every single R/S/M so they're all usuable/balanced
2 is the best one at this time, unless someone just starts dripping ASM from their pores.
Quote "This is really very simple.
1) 13030 isn't balanced for 4v4. 2) 13030 depends on these rules to achieve artificial 4v4 balance. 3) Arena depends on the same rules to achieve artificial 4v4 balance.
---> Arena isn't balanced for 4v4." No, it's not that simple. If arena is balanced that allowing 4x of anything at all times or has no JP cap, the metagame is rendered impotent, or becomes so comp-dependent that as soon as the teams are revealed it'll be patently obvious who will win.
Quote "I'll call it "arbitrary rules which just limit my options like they did in 13030 tourneys" and "conditional balance that depends on arbitrary rules which vanishes the moment you lift them"."
So you want unlimited options and balance? I... uh... wow. Don't know what to say except that'll never happen. Ever.* *without recoding a vast majority of the game.
Voldemort This is really very simple.
1) 13030 isn't balanced for 4v4. 2) 13030 depends on these rules to achieve artificial 4v4 balance. 3) Arena depends on very similar rules to achieve artificial 4v4 balance.
---> Arena isn't balanced for 4v4.
Seriously, how can you not understand this? I'm not saying they are bad rules, I am saying that Arena needs to get rid of them if it wants to rise above how 13030 performs in 4v4.
You even agree that the moment those rules are lifted from arena, killer R/S/M and A abilities start raping everything, hence breaking the balance:
Quote from phil "But the JP cap still serves to prevent killer R/S/M combos coupled with extremely heavy action skillsets"
Which is why Arena needs to start balancing without the rules, or end up in the same exact place 13030 is at now, but with different abilities and different stats.
Quote " " "So you want unlimited options and balance? I... uh... wow. Don't know what to say except that'll never happen. Ever."
FFT options aren't unlimited. They never have been. Nice attitude though.
Quote " " "If arena is balanced that allowing 4x of anything at all times or has no JP cap, the metagame is rendered impotent, or becomes so comp-dependent that as soon as the teams are revealed it'll be patently obvious who will win."
That's a pretty extraordinary claim. If Arena gets balanced to the point where allowing complete freedom works at all times without a JP cap, the metagame is rendered impotent, and as soon as teams are revealed we can predict who will win? lol. You're thinking of a vanilla tourney.
Let me correct that statement: If Arena gets balanced to the point where allowing complete freedom works at all times without a JP cap... then they were successful in balancing the game for 4v4.
Philsov I really don't feel like going through semantic gymanastics on what I meant by unlimited versus the true definition of the word.
Quote from Arch "Nice attitude though."
What can I say? One plus one is two. I mean, I'd be overjoyed to see someone actually rig it up so thats the case, but in my years of experience (read: lots and lots and lots of Super Tact) its simply impossible. Stacking turns the game into rock-paper-scissors.
Quote " " "If Arena gets balanced to the point where allowing complete freedom works at all times without a JP cap... then they were successful in balancing the game for 4v4. Horrible, isn't it!"
Ban, hack, allow with limitations, imbalance the game. Those are the four options. Banning is boring and hacking isn't possible at this time, so we're left with allow with limitations or break the game. Gee.
Arch Repeating myself yet again:
Arena should have no arbitrary limitations in place like we do here, because it's free to change whatever it wants in order to achieve 4v4 balance.
SuperTact did not change as much as it could have (not even close). Arena can. Quote from Phil "Ban, hack, allow with limitations, imbalance the game. Those are the four options. Banning is boring, hacking isn't possible at this time, we're left with allow with limitations or break the game. Gee."
There's a 5th option. Actually balance the game.
Talk about false dilemma. I think you've lost it.
Quote " " "I mean, I'd be overjoyed to see someone actually rig it up so thats the case, but in my years of experience (read: lots and lots and lots of Super Tact) its simply impossible."
If you'd be overjoyed to see someone pull it off, it's not showing. Forcing those rules on Arena is killing any chance whatsoever of it allowing true 4v4 balance. Your years of experience with SuperTact don't mean shit compared to how much they can alter the 4v4 with FFTPatcher.
Philsov ...you actually balance the game by banning, hacking, or allowing with limitations. There is no other way.
Voldemort Quote from Phil
"...you actually balance the game by banning, hacking, or allowing with limitations. There is no other way."
That's wrong. Repeating it for the 3rd time:
Arena should have no arbitrary limitations in place like we do here, because it's free to change whatever it wants in order to achieve 4v4 balance. It might not even play like our tourneys do. The possibilities are huge. Putting your foot down and declaring "impossible" is really stupid IMO.
SuperTact did not change as much as it could have (not even close). Arena can.
Melancthon Arch, just for clarification, are you suggesting that there should be no JP costs for abilities, and that we should allow as many uses of jobs/abilities/items as people want?
Voldemort Yep.
And if that's balanced properly, you will see variety regardless, because there would be a reason to use everything. Random Example 1: Making a team with 4 Ninjas might sound cool, but has major weaknesses, thus deterring people from doing it if they want to win. They still can, but lose to better constructed teams. Keep in mind these wouldn't be 4 1.3 Ninjas, they would be 4 Arena Ninjas. Random Example 2: Using the highest WP sword might seem like a good idea on your knights, but it only has 3% W EV. Everyone has innate Weapon Guard. There's a sword with less WP but 25% W EV. Then you have to make a decision, each one with it's own weakness. Balance.
Of course this is all my opinion. I don't work on Arena, this is all what I *think* you can do if you balance the game for 4v4. None of this discussion matters if FFM and PX disagree with it.
Voldemort What if you get rid of every single rule, right now? And then try to balance stuff. You'd be working towards 4v4 balance that at the same time doesn't impose limitations on what a player can and cannot build / put together. The balance changes you make then BECOME the rules of the 4v4 game. Instead of invisible rules like "max 2 of each skill" or "max 2 of each item" or "sorry, 3000 JP only", when it's obvious that the game itself has no such limitation.
My guess is you'd have to deal with the things that have always been broken in PVP FFT (and 13030), the ones everyone avoids actually fixing but tries to find workarounds via JP limits and/or banning:
- Blade Grasp (I think there's an ASM hack to make it vs swords only) - Concentrate (I think there's an ASM hack to make it a flat % bonus instead of 100%) - "Power attacks" (Big deal, open up FFTPatcher, that's what it's there for...) - Abandon (Ditto) - Blind (You already fixed that) - Hamedo (Not sure if this one's been hacked, but it obviously needs to be changed)
Then there's a list of things which you can't balance even if you were to ASM hack it, such as:
- Move +3 - Move +2 - Move +1 All of which are lost causes, but to be honest, in order to make the player decide of he wants to get + Move or not (instead of no brainer like it is now), just give an accessory that gives +1 move, and done. Then the player has to decide: Do I want evasion? Or +1 Move? Do I want +2 MA? Or +Move? Making people think and sacrifice one strength for the other is an EXCELLENT way to approach balance (see, choice of unit composition in Starcraft Brood War)
The problem with the current JP limits is that it says: "You can build any unit you want, but you are limited to picking 5 because it's balanced around a maximum of 5 choices. We're limiting your options because our system is only balanced to handle 5 unit types at once. If we let you build 1 of each, you'd break the game!!! More options would make you too strong. " That doesn't make sense. If more options make you too strong, then nerf the options, not their quantity.
And things which you can balance via ASM Hack or FFTPatcher
- Attack / Defense / Magic Attack UP (etc) - Teleport (% success rate nerf) - Every single Action ability (FFTPatcher) - Every single item (gotta get creative here, and yes, it's possible to balance all 49049 items without removing half of them, using examples like the WP vs Weapon Evasion one I gave above, and yes you'd need tons of ideas to pull it off) - The balance of magic vs charge times (and skills that can interrupt said charge times) - The balance of instant physical attacks (though Fury does a great job of balancing this already)
You might not be able to fix every single movement skill, and the pool of movement skills might be limited (just like it is now), but that doesn't mean you can't balance things MUCH better than they are currently (the remaining 99% of skills in the game).
Quote from Philsov "But you are asking for immediate rule changes without the balance changes to back them up. THAT is foolish."
Yeah, because the sooner they get rid of those rules, the sooner the real balance works begins. Don't you get it? Those rules are crutches, they artificially create the illusion of balance by limiting options so that instead of the player being able to use (example) all 12 broken elements of game-play, they have to pick 3 out of the pool of broken stuff, and fill the blanks with the stuff that actually is balanced, all the while always pushing their JP limits to try and make their setup contain the most out of the imbalanced stuff. If you are happy with that half-assed solution, then please proceed.
I'd hope that FFM and PX and whoever else works on Arena is capable of balancing things without the arbitrary SuperTact rules present. I don't think that's stupid at all.
TL;DR which you can quote if you wanna reply to this long ass post:
If Arena gets truly balanced, you don't need limits, because regardless of what the player combines, it'd be accounted for in your balance changes. That's really the bottom line. Holding on to the arbitrary SuperTact rules is a self-admission of imbalance, like what we do here in 13030 PVP.
Now that that's out of the way, I really shouldn't have to explain anymore.
Hope y'all garnered something from this.
\o
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 04, 2012, 05:23:58 am
interesting Match, M3 was played very smart by Barrens Team: disableing the Thiefes before they could build up tons of Speed or any unit was berserked. I think the greates weakness of Wiz Team is the weak attack of the Thiefes which is prioritiesed by the Ai, - This is why i gave my thiefes a good attack.
To Bad didn´t had the chance to fight Wizs Team, i was curious about that matchup
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DomieV on July 04, 2012, 07:42:58 am
I think what Barren was trying to say Wiz is that at least you did well and if anything people would still acknowledge that you had a good run. Saying that you should have won it could have gone either way especially when you rely on the RNG in your favor you tend to take chances. You took the chance with talk skill and it paid off for you for the most part until you started to miss.
Barren could have easily lost if his monk had not hit charm but he got it and at the right moment mind you when your mediator berserk one of yours. And all it took was one mistake or one major turnaround. For what your team did it definitely thrashed a lot of teams that wasn't physically able to debilitate yours. Fantactic, Shadowstrike, Squidgy all failed due to lack of DPS against you and you berserk all of them. But the way you lost to Gaignun even he pointed out that he missed some zombies spells as well until it finally hit. Shit does happen man. I got trounced by AeroGP because my setup wasn't designed to take on his team at the time.
All in all again it was the roll of the dice
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 04, 2012, 02:06:35 pm
Happy 4th of July everyone!
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 84 - iamBQB vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/Khf_pL5iFg4)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on July 04, 2012, 04:12:09 pm
Happy fourth everyone!
...It can't be balance like Voldemort says. It just can't be, and it is because of the 4v4 structure and the other factors.
First up though, how do you define "balance"? 1) Balance refers to the concept that no one combination wins against all over very nearly all possible scenarios. 2) Balance refers to the concept that no one combination greatly excels over any other.
These are two very distinct concepts of balance. If I have 18 combinations that beat 50 combinations, but among those 18 each combination, each loses to 6, wins against 6, and ties 5, I have achieved the first definition of balance but not the second.
This problem is best seen in stacking. If I create a team with 4 identical units, I may be able to beat any team that does not have at least 3 units set up to counter my one build. There could be dozens of 4 identical build teams that can beat me, but yet my team might trounce the hundreds of builds that use at most only 2 identical units.
In short, what you might end up with is a game of paper rock scissors.
If you manage to achieve the second prong of balance, however, you solve the stacking problem - but now, you make the strategic choice of what units you use largely irrelevant. Things like luck will now determine matches. This might be desirable to some, but I believe most actually want a certain amount of imbalance in the game, in order to reward strategic choices.
But who knows.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 05, 2012, 10:58:55 am
FFT Arena Netherworld Bracket Match 86 - formerdeathcorps vs CT5Holy (http://youtu.be/EpDBNqrb8Xc)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dynablade on July 05, 2012, 11:40:00 am
Before I even get into these matches, just a small request for the Losers Finals
Could you use this song? It sounds like that epic struggle to claw your way out of hell. A final battle against your toughest opponent yet, with the shimmer of a not so distant light behind them, taunting you to make it past that one last fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3mqIDAVObA
Now for the battle itself
Very exciting, monks hitting for 200+, Don't Acts flying around like bees and the occasional jump sends up straight to the third round. 400 damage Holy? Jesus.. Then yeah, Raise 2 missed, GG. Lots of Don't Acts helped, but that miss was the nail in the proverbial coffin. Amazing match though, intense.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 06, 2012, 08:24:38 am
Thanks Barreb
great series of matches, Things are getting tense now. cant wait to see who will be able to face my Team.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on July 07, 2012, 06:34:27 pm
FFT Arena Netherworld Match 88 - CT5Holy vs Barren (http://youtu.be/924QChJiQjw)
FFT Arena Netherwold Match 89 - Avalanche vs Barren (http://youtu.be/YpD4xQRrK20)
Guess there's no point in hiding it, eh? Great matches, all around!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 08, 2012, 12:41:12 am
Great Match Ct5Holy! Those arm aims missing proved to be decisive indeed. I had fun facing you.
Damn that charm killing me in round 3. But hey I had a hell of a run. GG Avalanche. good luck against Gaignun
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 08, 2012, 01:06:32 am
Damn that charm killing me in round 3. But hey I had a hell of a run. GG Avalanche. good luck against Gaignun
No kidding! 6/6 Charms succeeded on your scholar during that round.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 08, 2012, 03:47:36 am
Well, looks like my luck ran out, haha. Too much damage. I suppose missing Arm Aim on Scholar in R3 was pretty important, but I think DS on Ninja as well as my Ninja hitting like different units each time was more decisive. He also didn't like Kagesouging the Archer, but eh.
Yeah, it was tough, and ultimately, I'm not surprised I lost. I was lucky enough to get past fdc in the first place. Good game, Barren.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 08, 2012, 04:54:56 am
Nice Matches!
i Guess i am your nightmare Team, with earth defenses and best compat charms. Nevertheless you did a great job in the tournament so far. That Charms in round 3! First u was doing a great job in negating them, untill my thiefes found a place between your scholar and Monks CTs - Than one earthquake from your charmed scholar sealed the Match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Celdia on July 08, 2012, 09:49:16 am
I haven't checked all the data for this but I did do a quick glance at the brackets and I feel there should be a mention of this: Barren's team took on 9 unique other teams and defeated 8 of those teams. I'm pretty sure no other team in the bracket got that much play against that many other opponents and walked with that many wins. Barren's team deserves some kind of longevity award so taking on and defeating so many other teams and I feel honored for having been knocked out of the tournament by his team as he tried to claw his way back out of hell. Three cheers for Barren!
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Post by: Barren on July 08, 2012, 03:28:06 pm
I haven't checked all the data for this but I did do a quick glance at the brackets and I feel there should be a mention of this: Barren's team took on 9 unique other teams and defeated 8 of those teams. I'm pretty sure no other team in the bracket got that much play against that many other opponents and walked with that many wins. Barren's team deserves some kind of longevity award so taking on and defeating so many other teams and I feel honored for having been knocked out of the tournament by his team as he tried to claw his way back out of hell. Three cheers for Barren!
As a matter of a fact I have more round wins than anyone in the tournament. I was just thinking about that this morning. When this tournament is done I'll run a post tourney discussion and reveal the won/loss record of each team in terms of who won rounds 1, 2, 3. Thanks Celdia for pointing that out
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 10, 2012, 11:09:14 pm
FFT Arena Season One Championship Match
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 90 Gaignun vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/BgK8bB90oHE)
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on July 11, 2012, 12:02:04 am
This is the best match of S6.
Too bad Paprika still has a girl's heart. She must have gotten lonely with no one to fight for so long.
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Post by: Avalanche on July 11, 2012, 06:15:47 am
wow that was a great series of Matches. I agree with fdc here and im glad we will see Match 91
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 11, 2012, 09:30:06 pm
Final Match to determine the undisputed winner!
Thank you everyone for watching this tournament!
FFT Arena Season One A.I. Tournament Match 91 Gaignun vs Avalanche (http://youtu.be/r_38h5UAsoA)
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Post by: Eternal on July 11, 2012, 09:57:17 pm
Very good job, Avalanche! Congrats on winning Season One! Gaignun, your team also performed admirably. There's always Season Two to go for!
Hopefully everyone enjoyed the tournament! :D
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Post by: formerdeathcorps on July 11, 2012, 10:01:40 pm
Good to see Avalanche didn't even need charm to win. Getting first strike off Don't Act and Bizen Boat was enough.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Barren on July 11, 2012, 10:22:20 pm
As of now we are here to open a post tournament discussion
Everyone here can give their thoughts on people's teams and how they performed. At some point I will record a list of every team's outing as far as won/loss records go. Combining all round wins (meaning who won rounds 1, 2 and 3) and loses from both the winner's bracket and the loser's bracket
Also discuss what you thought about the tournament overall and what are some of your favorite teams and matches to watch. Thanks again everyone for participating and watching this tournament.
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Post by: Gaignun on July 11, 2012, 11:21:41 pm
Match 91 wasn't nearly as exciting. Rounds 1 and 2 were decided with a single use of Bizen Boat.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: formerdeathcorps on July 12, 2012, 12:47:05 am
I had a good run. Being able to thoroughly dismantle someone in 5 minutes is fun. However, my team lacked the risk strategies (geomancy, charm, status effects) that made my S5 team more dominant. I think part of the reason lies in this year's approach.
I wasn't objective enough this year. Knowing the "best" offensive strategy beforehand made me far less willing to experiment on adding defense/healing/status/AoE or more synergy (things that made my S5 team strong). Unlike last year, I didn't approach this tournament as a novice and that limited the amount of thought given as well as the depth of testing. Because of this, I went into the tournament knowing beforehand that other people could wall my team (most notably AeroGP and Gaignun, but also Fanatic, Lief, and Angelus, to some extent).
In that sense, I was relieved that I wasn't humiliated by the above teams; at the least, I fought for all three rounds. However, in many ways, it hurt more: I lost on "bad luck" (a kagesougi missing at 76% hit or a Raise2 missing at 88%) to fast squads that had vastly inferior damage output, AoE, and range. In context, however, the problem then became clear. The team I submitted this year is PX's team from last year, with slightly more healing. Luck could only work against my squad because it could only win if my defensive reactions always triggered and every physical attack always hit. I had no room for error because my fallback plan was multiple-redundant firepower, which doesn't work if I'm outnumbered and outsped.
Testing after the fact, I realize this is probably the stronger squad:
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Vyne Male Leo 70 40 Monk Ninjitsu HP Restore Attack Up
Crown Female Aquarius 40 70 Scholar White Magic MP Restore Magic Attack Up
Ivory Rod
Golden Hairpin Black Costume Magic Gauntlet
Quake Raise 2, Esuna, Holy
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Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: dacheat on July 12, 2012, 02:09:06 am
First off, big props to Avalanche and Gaignun both. Great games between two great players.
Anyways, I was pretty pleased with my team's performance considering that this was my first time playing FFT:A. I think my final record was 7-3. Losing to the WB champ and then running into another great team like BQB's in hell isn't too bad IMO. At the very least I'd say that my team was pretty exciting to watch haha.
Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgkasJDNw6Q
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: skiploom188 on July 12, 2012, 06:55:09 am
It's done? Wow.
Congrats to our winner! Guess the other one didn't do a champion streak...
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Barren on July 12, 2012, 09:43:10 am
Definitely a congratulations is in order for Avalanche, you did a marvelous job in this tournament and really put on a tremendous performance. Defeating last year's winner was definitely something to witness for sure.
I feel though my outing was better compared to last year's tournament. Having from what I record the second most wins combining the winner's and loser's bracket records was definitely an accomplishment for me as Celdia pointed out. For that I'm proud of my performance this season and hopefully I'll do even better next season. But we'll wait until the time comes. For now I have a win/loss record for every team in this tournament
Legends
Bold = Winner's Bracket Record Italicized = Loser's Bracket Record Underline = Overall Tournament Record
Again this is putting together all of the wins and loses from the winner's and loser's bracket. And to clarify why Avalanche's and Gaignun's numbers are higher in the italicized part is because they both were in the championship match; in the case for Avalanche he had to win netherworld bracket 89 to get to that point.
:wark: :wark:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: formerdeathcorps on July 12, 2012, 12:09:05 pm
Barren, my record is 8-5. 7+1 doesn't equal 9.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Avalanche on July 12, 2012, 12:11:31 pm
I am glad for all the decisions i made for my Team, everything worked out as intended and nothing was useless. GG everyone.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Avalanche on July 12, 2012, 12:12:21 pm
Who has the third place FDC or Barren?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Barren on July 12, 2012, 12:25:43 pm
As of right now we don't really know. We're currently giving 1.38d a try and myself and occasionally Dol or Otabo will upload videos on Arena 1.38d. Until then if you're interested in submitting a team by all means give it a try :)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: yrogerg on October 14, 2012, 06:03:13 am
Ummm this thread is on-date http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=4409.0 ? About the rules i mean.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Barren on October 14, 2012, 06:31:37 am
That was nearly 3 years ago when FFH did the 1.3 AI tournament season 3 hosted by Zodiac aka Xifanie and then member Voldemort. This is FFT Arena, completely different patch from 1.3
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: yrogerg on October 14, 2012, 06:40:04 am
Different huh? Ok where can i get the new rules? Pff i spend half of the morning using that rules to make a team...
Edit: I found them Edit2: http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=7110.0 These?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: Eternal on October 14, 2012, 06:57:48 am
The rules are here: http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=8637.0
Be sure to use the memory card generator to help you out.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 1 ☢ ☢ ☢ (FINISHED!)
Post by: luhphine on October 14, 2012, 03:25:57 pm