[Old] FFT: Plus Chat/discussion topic

[Dome]

Welcome to FFH, where all your dreams come true, shoruke!
You might want to post an intro topic in the Intro section but don't worry, it's not necessary
Yes, this is the right topic :-)

Now...

-I like what you've done with Summoners. They're kinda sub-par against monsters, but decent against humans (and ghosts). (Trying to use them in the Araguay Woods story fight was a nightmare. "Geez, the summoners aren't doing much damage, I should try somethOH GOODNESS THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE")

Eheh, I know...summoner damage is not that high
But the best thing about them is that they can completely avoid the battle and stay away from the fight, while dishing out damage. They are also great to counter revival-chains

-I get that monsters have been beefed up a lot, but it's just not the SAME using a character that doesn't use the job system, you know? Still, it breathes new life into the game when I actually have to worry a bit about the random enemies wrecking my schist. That pack of Juravises on Barius Hill totally got me, snipe-and-run self-haste-regenning group-healing punks...

Well,  the ability to custom your units is great, but monsters have high stats.
The best way to use them is to make a team of 5 units and see if some of them can be swapped with a monster (Monk - > Goblin, Archer - > Bird, and so on). Also, they are a great way to fill the roster with good units without having to spend money (You gain less money from each battle in FFT: Plus)

- The Guest units could use some AI tweaking, I think, except Princess Ovelia. YES, Delita, it's okay to use your sword instead of Dash sometimes. YES, Algus, you may participate in the fight even though I hate your guts. YES, Boco, it's okay, you can come out of the corner and help now. No, seriously, Boco, you can come help. BOCO GET OVER HERE ALREADY THERE'S ONLY TWO LEFT and my Oracle could use some healing Sad

Guests...learn to hate them. I can't say anything else >_>

-Oracles are useful? Counter Flood is worth having? Yay!

:-)

-Is it just me, or are monks pretty much worthless now? I never really got into the whole Two-fisted-monk-god thing with vanilla, but I hear they've been powered down for this version, and it really shows in the early game. I gave people knives to use when I was working on unlocking classes, because frankly they were better than fists. Plus, the monk's ability list has always seemed somewhat barren to me... maybe we could give them some analogue of Far Fist from FFTA, or a status buff of some kind? (Regen, haste, shell, that kind of thing...)

Monks are tricky to balance
Their fist (And damage skills) use PA twice in the damage formula, so they work well with boosting items
They can also use Accumulate (A skill unique to them) to boost it and dish out good damage
Also, they can equip martial arts to boost damage, and healing (Chakra)
Last, but not least, some of their skills are elemental now, and they can be boosted by some items

-At Fort Zeakden, the priests that were changed into thieves were still referred to as priests in the dialogue. It was kinda weird...

Thanks for reporting this typo :-)

-The mediators' terrible hit rate for their skills makes them unusable. Most of the skills fall under "it would be good if it was reliable enough to bother with, but it isn't". The worst example is Warn, which the AI seems to think is a usable maneuver. 25% chance to give an ally one defensive buff? Look out, ladies and gentlemen.

Lol xD
Actually, is 25% to inflict each status, so it's not useless as it may look

-The sage's Flarega skill description says it only targets enemies? It doesn't just target enemies. Not that that's going to stop me from using it a lot, because hot damn that is a lot of damage.

Another typo, thanks again for reporting it :-)

All in all, I like the patch, though.

That's the most important thing :-)

Thanks A LOT for the post you made...each post like that helps FFT: Plus becoming a better patch!

[shoruke]

Wait, the Martial Arts skill increases damage for monks, too? I'm used to Martial Arts making it so that non-monks have the same bare-fisted damage as monks, but I guess I just didn't re-read the description. XD

Also, I had a typo when I corrected one of your typos. It wasn't Fort Zeakden where priests were changed into thieves, it was the Thieves' Fort, in the first battle against Miluda. (Finagle's Law strikes again.)

[Dome]

Ok, thanks :-)
Lol @ typo in the typo report xd

[shoruke]

One of the archers at the entrance to Lionel castle just doesn't have this whole ambush thing figured out at all. He waited, perfectly still, for three turns. He even had people within shooting range at the start of two of them, but he just waited.
Agrias had that problem too, back when she was a guest character...
What does Esunaga do that regular Esuna doesn't? It costs two points less and... has no AoE? Seems somewhat backwards, I'd have thought a spell named Esunaga would cost more and have MORE AoE than the basic version...

And yeah, Queklain was a serious bitch... after doing 600 damage and he's not even in critical yet, I was like "...Goddamn." How much health did he have in total? I think it was OVER ONE THOUSAND!!!! At level 20.
Had an epic finish to the fight though. Pinned him in the corner (three different corners, over the course of the fight), stole three summoners worth of magic from him and all of his brave and spammed attacks at him from my thief and ninja while Ramza dumps the very bitter last of my Ethers onto one of my sages, fighting to keep the party from slowly dying of zombie & poison and confusion... Manage to fire off one last Flarega, there's no more mp anywhere so it's the last spell of the match, he doesn't die, kills the sage in return, and then the ninja finished him off, protect be damned.

Naturally, N-Kai Armlets become available for purchase IMMEDIATELY AFTER that fight. *sigh*

EDIT: Orbonne!Wiegraf now lacks Maintenance and has less friends to back him up? Well, I think some public nudity is in order. That'll learn him for being such a jerk back at that windmill.

And I can't tell if Flarega is broken, or if it's just that pimping out two casters with MA+ gear and Quick Charge and supporting them with Angel Song would make them broken with any magic skillset... I managed to kill Izlude in one turn, heh.

[Dome]

Ugh, I'm VERY sleepy right now...
Thanks for the reports, I'll make a proper response once I'm fully awake >_>

[TTamaki]

Hello!
First off, great job on this patch, I've been enjoying it very much 
Second, what are the job requirements for the performer (bard/dancer)? I couldn't find the answer anywhere here =\
Also, are the mime requirements the same as vanilla?

[shoruke]

I can't remember the exact requirements for Performer, but I think you need 3 in Geomancer and Lancer, and 5 in Mediator. It was something like that.
Mime needs 3 in pretty much every class except ninja... you don't need the level 8 in squire or chemist, which is kinda nice.
You can check the job requirements if you have FFTPatcher, you can load your modded .iso file into it and check the job requirements from there.

[Dome]

Hello!
First off, great job on this patch, I've been enjoying it very much  
Second, what are the job requirements for the performer (bard/dancer)? I couldn't find the answer anywhere here =\
Also, are the mime requirements the same as vanilla?

Thanks :-)
2 Samurai, 5 mediator ;-)

[TTamaki]

Thanks :-)
2 Samurai, 5 mediator ;-)

Ah thanks. I was training random classes trying to find it, until I decided to ask. Of course mediator was level 1 

[Dome]

You are welcome :-)
Feel free to ask whatever you want about FFT: Plus

[RolandSDMF]

Any specific reason Dragons were made unavailable until Chapter 4?

[Dome]

Any specific reason Dragons were made unavailable until Chapter 4?

Not really xD
But they are very strong, so they are worth the wait xD

[TTamaki]

Another question: is learning ultima any different from vanilla? Ramza isn't learning it after surviving a hit ><

[shoruke]

Tip: If you have to choose between the Ice Brand, the Coral Sword, and the Blazing Sword, go for the Blazing Sword.
Why? Well, the corresponding elementals spells emphasize Area of Effect, Casting Speed, and Damage respectively. So when choosing which one to put into your always-single-tile, always-instant sword, go for the one with more damage.

If you're going to be having your casters hit people with sticks, this goes same for the elemental rods, although those have the additional benefit of boosting one of your elemental spells, so... *shrug*

[Dynablade]

Trying to get a ninja, are the charts different in this?

http://imgur.com/fZ5GB

3 archer, 4 thief, 2 geomancer?

[Dome]

Another question: is learning ultima any different from vanilla? Ramza isn't learning it after surviving a hit ><

Be sure to be in his base job to learn the skill after being hit, (And you must be damaged to learn it, so no atheist status)

Tip: If you have to choose between the Ice Brand, the Coral Sword, and the Blazing Sword, go for the Blazing Sword.
Why? Well, the corresponding elementals spells emphasize Area of Effect, Casting Speed, and Damage respectively. So when choosing which one to put into your always-single-tile, always-instant sword, go for the one with more damage.

If you're going to be having your casters hit people with sticks, this goes same for the elemental rods, although those have the additional benefit of boosting one of your elemental spells, so... *shrug*

Thanks for pointing out, guess I'll have to do something about it xD

Trying to get a ninja, are the charts different in this?

http://imgur.com/fZ5GB

3 archer, 4 thief, 2 geomancer?

3 Archer 3 Thief 3 Geomancer

[Dynablade]

Awesome, thanks bro. Great hack thus far, and I'm barely into Ch.2.
Just got a Sage, and flipping out that Dark Holy is a skill you can use now! Always marveled at how powerful it was in the original, can't wait to show some demons who's boss.

WOW. Are Molbol's weak to darkness? Because my Sage just hit one for 156! Now she easily has the highest damage output, even if the spell costs 20MP, which is kinda hefty at this level where she only has a max of 77MP. Still, amazing. At Goug now, gonna see if she can one shot more things.

[TTamaki]

I'm an idiot 
I switched Ramza to a heretic beforehand, but forgot to save after that change. I had to go do something, and after reloading it I did not even realize Ramza was still a samurai ><
Thanks though! I now have Ultima 

[Dome]

Awesome, thanks bro. Great hack thus far, and I'm barely into Ch.2.
Just got a Sage, and flipping out that Dark Holy is a skill you can use now! Always marveled at how powerful it was in the original, can't wait to show some demons who's boss.

WOW. Are Molbol's weak to darkness? Because my Sage just hit one for 156! Now she easily has the highest damage output, even if the spell costs 20MP, which is kinda hefty at this level where she only has a max of 77MP. Still, amazing. At Goug now, gonna see if she can one shot more things.

Well, they are not weak to darkness...it's just that you grinded so much and got that skill earlier than you should...so you roflstomp stuff xD

I'm an idiot 
I switched Ramza to a heretic beforehand, but forgot to save after that change. I had to go do something, and after reloading it I did not even realize Ramza was still a samurai ><
Thanks though! I now have Ultima 

Eheh, don't worry...I'm here to help XD

[Dynablade]

Also, damn Boco is good now, he was the main reason Quecklain went down so easily. Choco Esuna > Decay. Innate Protect? So what, Choco Meteor. Great speed too. Was going to replace him with Agrias, but that decision has become much harder.