Zombie Fantasy Tactics! aka, Undead class and monster ideas

[Skip Sandwich]

As a long time player and DM of D&D and White Wolf games, I've developed a great fondness for undead creatures, so naturally i've made them very plentiful in my own personal patch. I was just interested in what some other people think of the wretched undead, and they're crazy ideas for making them fun/scary/unique. Some changes I use in my own personal patch include:

Innate Defense up for all undead, to represent the difficulty involved in dispatching the unliving with a sword.

Setting the reaction for skellys to arrow guard, and ghosts to blade grasp. Since we can't make ghosts invisble, we might as well make them intangible. As for skelletons, arrows shouldn't be that effective against creatures lacking flesh anyway. This coulpled with innate Defense up makes the undead incredibly physically resillent, which I find fitting.

Skelly's have Innate Move Underwater  and Move-Hp Up.

Skellys have the following abilities
All- Knife Hand (now has a chance to inflict Dont' Act), Drain Touch (using the Blood Sword/Bloody Strings formula), Monster Skill Lich
Skelleton- Mind Break
Bone Snatch- Power Break
Living Bond- Speed Break

Ghosts have the following abilities
All- Throw Spirit (now deals magical damage), Grease Touch (chance to inflict Slow), monster skill Dark Whisper
Ghoul- Demi
Gust- Demi 2
Revenant- Death

[boomkick]

I also love the undead and their effectiveness at killing you (or their enemies). If you want yo can try and make Undead Randoms (insanely hard that is). If you want them to be harder you can increase ghouls Move values or give them innate teleport 2.

Or you can replace one of those "undead" storyline human battles, change them in such a way to make them the Undead versions of regular monsters.

[Zozma]

if you made undeads like tactics ogre, they wouldnt join you but they all have immortal status instead of a counter.

but then youd need an exorcism spell.

[Skip Sandwich]

I was actually trying to think of a way to do Tactics Orge style undead, so kudos to you. That also gives me the plan to make a battle against 11 immortal flagged undead. Do immortal flagged undead just come back automatically, since they have no chance of going crystal or box? Or do they just stay dead? In any cast, going up against 11 of my undead in a random encounter could be murder.

[Zozma]

well.... given that undead randomly revive or crystalize id say there SHOULD be a chance of them reviving any time their CT comes to 100%

but since there is no counter im not quite sure...

[Vanya]

What if you made them innately immune to Crystal status?

[Zozma]

ive done it before, if they are immune to both crystal AND treasure then it will either skip the time they would crystalize, or it will revive them... they wont always get up after 0 sometimes it takes a few more turns when normally they would crystalize

[Vanya]

Better than nothing I guess.

[Zozma]

well test out the immortal status first

[Xifanie]

immortal undead will never revive, sorry.

[Zozma]

thanks for confirming

so that is the option buddy, make them immune to crystalize and treasure

[Skip Sandwich]

thanks for the help. anybody else have some fun Undead-related ideas?

[akwikone]

a skill that caused quick for all undead, maybe?

[boomkick]

Undead Sacrifice- a skill that sacrifices an undead ally to give massive stat boosts and beneficial statuses (to the undead of course).

[Archael]

hold up

a unit immune to crystalize and treasure box (but no immortal flag)

what happens to it when counter reaches 0?

just sits there?

[Dormin Jake]

Sit there, yes, possibly.  Maybe even rot a little.  But only until it decides to reanimate, as Undead are wont to do, 50% of the time, every time.  That's the idea, anyway.  If a skeleton has no alternative but to reanimate, it should, theoretically, reanimate, no?  

Brilliant idea, by the way, whether it works or no.

[Pixy]

As a person who did SSCCs involving classes immune to Treasure/Crystal, the unit will never die, just lie there. However, every time the person is supposed to crystallize, the camera just pans at the corpse for a second and goes to the person who has their next turn. Every time this happens, it counts as a casualty in the Brave Story.

I do not know what happens if these immunities are placed on an undead. But if I had to guess, I would say there's a 50% chance of reanimation and a 50% chance of the camera just panning to them, counting up a casualty.

[Zozma]

they do, they have a chance to reanimate every time their ct reaches 100 again even after the counter has been 0 for a while