Chrono Compendium hacking projects go down

[Poco Loco]

look, its as I said before its non-profit, you are not selling it, if you bought it legally, you can legally edit it as you please, as long as you credit the original creator/owner and acknowledge his/her ownership so long as it is promotional and non-profit you can do whatever you want

I know my stuff philsov :p

[philsov]

I know my stuff philsov

No, you don't.  

It's illegal to make or own a copy of the game for any purpose.  

When you dump the ROM so you can edit it, you're breaking the law.  When you have an edited rom (or any rom, frankly), you're breaking the law.  

Giving SE credit won't save you from a civil suit.

[Poco Loco]

ok man w/e I'm not gonna argue with u online

[philsov]

I live in houston and have a kickass couch.

[Smitson]

Poco Loco got told lol. But wow, fuck SE. Just because they don't WANT those guys to talk about their conversations, whats stopping them? What can they do if the CE team tells us about their convos with SE? The answer is fuck all.

[DarthPaul]

ok man w/e I'm not gonna argue with u online

Poco I was saying that that is the way it should be. It is not actually that way, so what you are saying is very off base.

[Kaijyuu]

No way phil. If I pay for a game I can cut it in half and use the sharpened edge to slice my bastard uncles throat with it. My defense = I paid for it. I can do whatever I want.

You wouldn't be violating any copyright law, though.

[tithin]

I know my stuff philsov

No, you don't.  

It's illegal to make or own a copy of the game for any purpose.  

When you dump the ROM so you can edit it, you're breaking the law.  When you have an edited rom (or any rom, frankly), you're breaking the law.  

Giving SE credit won't save you from a civil suit.

This, yeah.

[mav]

Apparently a kid at another forum (scroll down to Alienat0r's post and open the hidden tag) may have emailed Square to let 'em know about the ROM hack. While no one's 100% certain that the email he posted is legit, the ign and gamespot posts are real and were posted some two minutes before his alleged email, and roughly a month before SE sent the C&D.


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[LastingDawn]

Wow, I cannot believe someone would stoop so low! That is despicable! Even if they aren't allies or even if they are your most bitter enemies, no self respecting human would do such a thing! We have codes of honor! Well I suppose not everyone does... I hope this fellow faces some sort of karmic backlash.

[Smitson]

What a fucking prick. I was just about to post it myself. This guy is catching up to George Bush for my world's most hated person.

[mav]

Well, assuming the email is legit, he's a complete dick and is literally the source of heartache for people. And assuming it's fake, he's still a dick. It was a pointless and tasteless move...not to mention he lied quite a bit in the email: he claimed the CE guys were planning to make a profit off the game, which is undoubtedly what made Square stomp all over the project.

Fuck, I'm too annoyed to really think about this nonsense.

[FaustWolf]

It's illegal to make or own a copy of the game for any purpose.

When you dump the ROM so you can edit it, you're breaking the law. When you have an edited rom (or any rom, frankly), you're breaking the law.

There's some talk on the subject of "format shifting" at the EFF that may be of interest here:
http://w2.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php

What's been recognized as fair use?

Courts have previously found that a use was fair where the use of the copyrighted work was socially beneficial. In particular, U.S. courts have recognized the following fair uses: criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, research and parodies.

In addition, in 1984 the Supreme Court held that time-shifting (for example, private, non-commercial home taping of television programs with a VCR to permit later viewing) is fair use. (Sony Corporation of America v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 (1984, S.C.)

Although the legal basis is not completely settled, many lawyers believe that the following (and many other uses) are also fair uses:

Space-shifting or format-shifting - that is, taking content you own in one format and putting it into another format, for personal, non-commercial use. For instance, "ripping" an audio CD (that is, making an MP3-format version of an audio CD that you already own) is considered fair use by many lawyers, based on the 1984 Betamax decision and the 1999 Rio MP3 player decision (RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999.)
Making a personal back-up copy of content you own - for instance, burning a copy of an audio CD you own.



As for alienat0r, any theory that I could come up with just seems so...out there. Did he set a trap by posting those false flag messages at IGN and Gamespot and then linking to them in an email that went straight to higher-ups at Square who make C&D decisions? Did he set up an elaborate hoax meant to garner 15 minutes of fame?

Whatever the case, it would seem that the messages posted at IGN and Gamespot were certainly meant to spread misinformation.

[Vanya]

I don't have words to express my disgust.
I can borrow some, though.
If the email is real then this person is a genuine...
"Waste of flesh!"
>Shuma-Goroth
>MvsC.

[tithin]

Wait, are we sure it was alienat0r that sent that link?

[Vanya]

No way to tell, right?

[SentinalBlade]

Philsov, Faust go take a look at my post a few pages back, on page 7 i think.

After talking with Scott(my moms boss), it appears that it only takes an arguement like this to have a judge wave it. Its to controversial, it is vague, flawed, undecided, unrightful in many respects(the obvious ones most people talk about). VERY few reasons did he say that this would be worth presiding over for a judge. In fact, the biggest reason "They created it. They just dont want someone messing with it, doesnt matter what you do with it."

Words from a criminal defense attorney. Seriously, if your anywhere else but michigan, ohio, new jersy, new york, or maine; you can fight them on this and really do some reputation damage to them as a counter. They have NEVER actually gone to court over a C&D. I bet they really wouldnt know how to handle an actual case hearing.

[tithin]

Philsov, Faust go take a look at my post a few pages back, on page 7 i think.

After talking with Scott(my moms boss), it appears that it only takes an arguement like this to have a judge wave it. Its to controversial, it is vague, flawed, undecided, unrightful in many respects(the obvious ones most people talk about). VERY few reasons did he say that this would be worth presiding over for a judge. In fact, the biggest reason "They created it. They just dont want someone messing with it, doesnt matter what you do with it."

Words from a criminal defense attorney. Seriously, if your anywhere else but michigan, ohio, new jersy, new york, or maine; you can fight them on this and really do some reputation damage to them as a counter. They have NEVER actually gone to court over a C&D. I bet they really wouldnt know how to handle an actual case hearing.

Just putting this out there

 13:50   tithin          ò sentinalblade
 13:50   tithin          ò you're right, square wouldnt know how to fight an actual case hearing
 13:50   tithin          ò but their godamn lawyers would

[SentinalBlade]

Just so you guys know, this was my response

<SentinalBladeBlade> tith
<SentinalBladeBlade> you have no idea how many lawyers wouldnt
<SentinalBladeBlade> look at TBP as a reference
<SentinalBladeBlade> all the emails they have, NONE of the lawyers knew shit about what they were talking about
<SentinalBladeBlade> Scott mentioned several other big lawyers here in florida. all of them have no idea how to really deal with a case like this
<DarthPaul> Lawyers are the kings of BS.
<DarthPaul> They don't need to know what they are talking about.
<SentinalBladeBlade> on page 7, i explained why he knows things. he actually hacks FF 1 + 2 for the hell of it. he needs to know he can keep his ass clean
<SentinalBladeBlade> right, but if you know what your talking about, and they dont and make up shit, call em on it

[Smitson]

their just bullies..stand up to them and eventually they'll back down...