Title: Story Discussion
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 01:42:42 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 01:42:42 pm
Here I will list the points in the game where the story has been altered. I am also open to suggestions.
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-Chapter 1
Chapter 1 revolves quite a bit around Tietra, as it originally did with Algus, who does not join you for long in this game.
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Igros Garden
The first change that you will notice? Delita will ask Tietra to come with the group to Dorter. Algus will stay behind at Igros asking to have a discussion with Zalbag.
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Sweegy Woods
Obviously its different, Tietra s with you. Besides that, Delita finds a "beautiful" stone on the ground and gives it to his sister for good luck.
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Slums in Dorter
Tietra is with you instead of Algus.
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Dorter Interrogation
Tietra performs the interrogation, her actions here reveal a not so subtle change in her attitude.
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Cellar of Sand Mouse
Tietra's attitude gets worse as she takes similar actions towards Wiegraf that Algus would have had he been there.
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Thieves Fort
Tietra takes the actions in place of Algus, there are a few dialog changes.
At this point Delita should begin questioning the stability of his sibling.
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Igros
Algus gets abducted from Igros since he is in the castle instead of Tietra.
He is mistaken for the youngest Beoulve son. Tietra tells Delita that its not worth saving a common fencer and in the end she is expelled from the Beoulve residence.
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Mandalia plains scene
A scene at mandalia plains shows the last sight you get of Tietra in Chapter 1. Here you see that Tietra is puzzled by her own actions and claims, to her two newly hired units, that she feels a voice inside her head telling her what to do.
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Lenalia Plateau
Two generic units get some attention here, Jade and Fabian. After defeating Miluda here, she tells Ramza "this isn't over" and orders Jade and Fabian to run. The three of them escape and are not seen again for quite some time.
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Windmill Shed
Obviously Algus is the hostage here instead of Tietra. Slight dialog changes. During the battle, if all the lines are allowed to play Ramza insists to Wiegraf that Miluda is still alive. Wiegraf does not believe him because she is nowhere to be found. The rest of the event pans out normally.
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Ft Zeakden
Poor abucted Algus, I wonder how he would have felt if he had the memory of what he had done in the original game. Zalbag does not make an appearance here clearing him from being an asshole like in the original when he gave the order to shoot. Currently a common fencer fires the arrow. This could be changed later.
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-Chapter 1
Chapter 1 revolves quite a bit around Tietra, as it originally did with Algus, who does not join you for long in this game.
-----
Igros Garden
The first change that you will notice? Delita will ask Tietra to come with the group to Dorter. Algus will stay behind at Igros asking to have a discussion with Zalbag.
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Sweegy Woods
Obviously its different, Tietra s with you. Besides that, Delita finds a "beautiful" stone on the ground and gives it to his sister for good luck.
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Slums in Dorter
Tietra is with you instead of Algus.
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Dorter Interrogation
Tietra performs the interrogation, her actions here reveal a not so subtle change in her attitude.
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Cellar of Sand Mouse
Tietra's attitude gets worse as she takes similar actions towards Wiegraf that Algus would have had he been there.
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Thieves Fort
Tietra takes the actions in place of Algus, there are a few dialog changes.
At this point Delita should begin questioning the stability of his sibling.
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Igros
Algus gets abducted from Igros since he is in the castle instead of Tietra.
He is mistaken for the youngest Beoulve son. Tietra tells Delita that its not worth saving a common fencer and in the end she is expelled from the Beoulve residence.
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Mandalia plains scene
A scene at mandalia plains shows the last sight you get of Tietra in Chapter 1. Here you see that Tietra is puzzled by her own actions and claims, to her two newly hired units, that she feels a voice inside her head telling her what to do.
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Lenalia Plateau
Two generic units get some attention here, Jade and Fabian. After defeating Miluda here, she tells Ramza "this isn't over" and orders Jade and Fabian to run. The three of them escape and are not seen again for quite some time.
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Windmill Shed
Obviously Algus is the hostage here instead of Tietra. Slight dialog changes. During the battle, if all the lines are allowed to play Ramza insists to Wiegraf that Miluda is still alive. Wiegraf does not believe him because she is nowhere to be found. The rest of the event pans out normally.
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Ft Zeakden
Poor abucted Algus, I wonder how he would have felt if he had the memory of what he had done in the original game. Zalbag does not make an appearance here clearing him from being an asshole like in the original when he gave the order to shoot. Currently a common fencer fires the arrow. This could be changed later.
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:05:10 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:05:10 pm
LOL the Igros scene is EPIC!
What about Chapter 2-4? Me want info of Ignis
What about Chapter 2-4? Me want info of Ignis
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:10:04 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:10:04 pm
I will get to chapter 2 soon. there are some new changes coming to the whole chapter that have not yet been implemented.
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:22:00 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:22:00 pm
New changes eh...
What role does Jade and Fabian play?
What role does Jade and Fabian play?
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:26:16 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:26:16 pm
Jade and Fabian are hell bent on protecting Miluda who they idolize.
unfortunately for them they will take that to their graves.
unfortunately for them they will take that to their graves.
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:28:26 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:28:26 pm
And Miluda? Wait, do we fight her again after Lenalia?
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:30:12 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 03:30:12 pm
Yes, Finath River
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Post by: PX_Timefordeath on February 07, 2009, 03:58:14 pm
Post by: PX_Timefordeath on February 07, 2009, 03:58:14 pm
Tetra doing Algus' interrogation is hilarious.
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:58:57 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:58:57 pm
But that isnt on the beta version I have right? I mean I am only suppose to duel Ignis and test out monsters etc etc
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:59:43 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 03:59:43 pm
LOL! Same time post
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:21:00 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:21:00 pm
yeah your version doesnt have changes past chapter 2, after ignis its simply testing mechanics
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 04:22:02 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 04:22:02 pm
Mechanics like wat?
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:24:56 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:24:56 pm
what you see when you fight randoms, how difficult, or not difficult the general gameplay is. the skills monsters and enemies have as well as equips. that sort of thing.
im counting on you to point out things that need to be much harder
im counting on you to point out things that need to be much harder
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 04:29:53 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 04:29:53 pm
LOL! 10-4 sir!
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Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 04:42:09 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 04:42:09 pm
One thing I must ask is how will Delita be inspired to take his subtle crusade to become king and help the commoners etc. etc. if Teta doesn't get killed?
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:48:39 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 04:48:39 pm
It happens at Zeakden in a different way, as "good" Algus last words about nobles using the commoners as mere pawns gets to him, in combination with them contributing to the current state of his sister.
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Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 04:58:22 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 04:58:22 pm
...hmm Not as driving as "the nobles killed my sister" you must admit. Rather, some noble guy said that it is the nobles fault.
Still somewhat driving, but somewhat lacking as well for the sort of "revenge" delita gets.
Still somewhat driving, but somewhat lacking as well for the sort of "revenge" delita gets.
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 05:14:36 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 05:14:36 pm
This is true, and it does need to be worked on ,which suggestions for it are definately welcome, all though, delita might end up being turned into more of an ass deliberately too.
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Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 05:25:39 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 07, 2009, 05:25:39 pm
lol, that would be funny. That would also allow for a fight between delita and Ramza, which is something I think would be cool...it wouldn't really work with the base original story because they are to close to fight one another, despite the threats.
Wait, that just gave me an idea. Now, why didn't delita help Ramza's name to be recognized in the original after the story? Making them more enemy-like would explain that perfectly. And the way to make it more enemy like? Have Delita near (just an example) Bervania. Have Ramza confront a Lucavi Teta at bervania. As he kills teta, she transforms back and delita comes in witnessing his childhood friend as he kills his sister.
Or something to that effect
Wait, that just gave me an idea. Now, why didn't delita help Ramza's name to be recognized in the original after the story? Making them more enemy-like would explain that perfectly. And the way to make it more enemy like? Have Delita near (just an example) Bervania. Have Ramza confront a Lucavi Teta at bervania. As he kills teta, she transforms back and delita comes in witnessing his childhood friend as he kills his sister.
Or something to that effect
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 05:32:27 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 05:32:27 pm
quite interesting, except currently Tietra's next appearance replaces balk.
Thats where she actually takes her fatal fall, being saved only by the stone. allowing her to escape untill the last scene where you fight her lucavi.
Thats where she actually takes her fatal fall, being saved only by the stone. allowing her to escape untill the last scene where you fight her lucavi.
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Post by: LastingDawn on February 07, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on February 07, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
Here are my thoughts on the Zeakden Antagonist, he's in the normal game, and his role is... well it's a throw away role really. Though it is because of his blank slate status that we can use him in this fashion. This character is the teacher from the opening, the one who gives Ramza and his troupe the go ahead to head to Igros after dispatching them to defeat the thieves in Gariland.
Now what if his goals were not so earnest? Who sends a cadet with a troupe of his own to challenge thieves and rogues, enemies of the state? A very powerful brother of said cadet. This is basically the start of it, but let's assume his inferiority complex runs deeper... His jealousy of Ramza made prevalant? Well this is what I think the cores of this character should be.
1.Jealous of Ramza for being from one of the noblest houses in the land.
2. Looks at how much Ramza had achieved with his small detachment?
3. A deep running rivalry with the Nanten (which is the section Algus hails from)
4. A commander of little note in the Fifty Year War, though when danger showed up again, it was not he who had been chosen, but of course the ever gifted little brother of the Hokuten Leader.
5. A special mission assigned from Dycedarg to finally attain glory, as well as satisfy his need for vengeance against the Nanten on the little noble who had stumbled into Gallione.
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There are a few opportunities to develop this man's character. The first is obviously the opening, giving him an exasperated tone with Ramza, and a barely concealed dislike sets his character up for later points.
Ramza and Delita can speak about him, showing they are quite familiar with him. Also his Brave Story record can show that he was a commander who fared decently against Omdolia in the Fifty Year War. Though when it came to work together with the Nanten to push them back, he askewed the efforts, being honorably discharged and sent to train Cadets in the Military Academy.
Thus enters Ramza, a hotshot noble from the Beoulve clan, given every special favor and with an ever so "humble" attitude. He didn't have the heart to be a leader, especially of his Own students. Yet orders from above put that little brat in charge! As the years went by, the man's hate for Ramza escalated that it was a hardly a secret. By the final year, all of Ramza's peers recognized the malice this man had for him.
Perhaps the breaking point was when he sent Ramza and his followers off to fight a group of desperate and fairly deranged thieves. Locking the doors to the Academy behind them, forcing them to fight in a life or death situation.
(Replacing the Balbanes scene)
Ramza and Delita confront the teacher, after breaking the door down. Inside they find the teacher making out with the female knight that delivered the message to him. Ramza and Delita rudely interrupt them, demanding to know why the door was shut. The female knight runs off and the teacher makes up an excuse as to why the door was locked "To assure none of the bandits reached here of course..." Delita brazen enough to ask if he planned for them to fail, citing the little make-out session with the female knight. The teacher visibly scoffs at the idea. Explaining the whole of the thing away. "I was clearly celebrating your victory! Any fool with a lick of sense could see that!"
Ramza having enough of it, stops the current situation. Asking the teacher for their next orders. He explains that Dycedarg wanted Ramza to return to his home in Igros. Also that he was free to take his little "band" with him. Ramza gives a customary bow, while Delita just leaves. Ramza leaves shortly there after. The teacher just sighs, cue end scene.
Next we see of the teacher is after the Beoulve residence is attacked, he is meeting with Dycedarg before Ramza, Delita, and Alma arrive. The teacher arrives, addressing Dycedarg in a humble tone, which he seems to have trouble doing... "Oh most gracious, powerful... gracious... Lord of the Beoulve clan, what can this lowly servant do to aid you?" Bowing of course. Dycedarg tells him there is no need for such formality, they were "old friends" after all. He tells him of the situation, and what glory is to be gained for putting the final nail into the Death Corps coffin. No doubt winning a place of renown. "Also the matter of a troublesome little noble from Limberry who wishes to go back to his leader. A strong boy to be sure, and could become a thorn in our side, if we let him go..."
The teacher says he understands, and heads off to prepare his specialized troop (also to note this group is from the academy as well, more then likely the rivals to Ramza's own team.)
Next you meet him is Zeakden, where the scene plays out normally
Golagros: Flee from whence you came! Your precious noble would come to harm if you do not. Any tricks you may have are based on a fools errand. The powder inside the fort is vast. A quantity enough to make even hell quiver!
Teacher: High spoken commoner... who does he think he is?
[Ramza and Delita finally arrives at the scene.]
Ramza: (Teacher)! Algus!!
[Delita sees Algus.]
Delita: Algus!!
Algus: Delita and Ramza! Thank the gods!
Golagros: You wouldn't wish harm on this young man, would you? As I would not, but if my hand is forced...
Teacher:Tch! Spill the blood of all the Nanten for all I care! But this one's mine!
Algus: What?!
[Teacher aims and shoots at Algus.]
Golagros: May Heaven's blessings be upo...
[Teacher shoots again. This time at Golagros, wounding him.]
Algus: My friends...
Delita: Algus!
[A Hokuten knight appears from the shadow behind Zalbag.]
Hokuten Knight: General (Teacher), more enemies are on the
mountain path! There are about 50 of them. I've been informed
one of them resembles Wiegraf!
Teacher: Wiegraf! What a day! To catch the leader and squash a bug of a Nanten!
[looks around and notices Ramza and his band]
Teacher: Hmm? I'll be right there, just have to take care of something first...
Golagros: I must beg your forgiveness, holy Ajora...
[Golagros locks himself inside the fort.]
Delita: Algus! Hold on for a while longer, we will save you!
Teacher: Bahaha! I've been waiting for this day! For four long years... this is a dream come true!
Delita: (Teacher)! You...! You've become...
Teacher: A child of the highest house... and a child of no house... I will show you both...
Ramza: (Teacher), have you lost your mind! This is...
Teacher: That no matter what kind of blood, noble or common! It all drops the same!
[Teacher signals in his own specially picked troops, Ramza's own classmates]
Ramza: Have you gone insane?! Is this truly the best decision? To rebel against the Hokuten?! Bringing along others in your coup will...
Teacher:Coup? Silly little boy! This is your brother's orders! That Algus Sadalfas, quite a gifted soldier indeed. At his young age, already mastering such abilities... he was a hindrance to us! A Nanten in Gallione is a dangerous infiltration, and was too close to your brother Zalbag for Dycedarg's comfort!
Ramza: Wiegraf's words ring true then... Why though? Why...
Teacher:Why what? Why was I chosen? Because Dycedarg saw I had potential! He knew you and your "oh so pious do-gooder" of a brother would never undertake this task! I was once a commander! One small blunder thanks to the Nanten cost me everything! I was demoted to teaching you pathetic brats how to fight! It is only because of Dycedarg that you went anywhere in life! Without him you're nothing! That is where you will soon return to now, nothingness. I'll put you out of the picture, and claim the glory that I righfully deserve! The end of the Death Corps belong to me!
Ramza: You're a mad man...
Teacher: And you? You're a spoiled little brat, who always got his way! You lived in a candy coated world, filled with only your own views and illusions! A child like you has no right to tell me my own state of mind! You had everything given to you, yet you could have asked for much more!
Ramza: What is this madness, you speak of...?
Teacher: Everything might have been different had you exercised the powers that were your birth given right! But your humble nature let you fall into the hands of another! Dycedarg controls the strings and you are all his little puppets. How fitting your humility would leave you to die in such an ignoble place! Time to cut a few strings short!
Ramza: You would be underestimating me, (Teacher), if you choose to view me in such a way.
Teacher: Is that so? Well your form appears to have improved, along with your overall leadership, but that is as far as it goes, you're still just a boy unsure of what you want to do, or where to go. I can use this confusion, this situation was over before it began. You should stop resisting and submit to your fate, it will make things much simpler. Your ranks are falling apart and your band's strength fades in the face of our assault!
Ramza: You vain fool... you are doing what you accuse me of. I have a realistic grip on this situation, whie you view us as insects to be exterminated. Your blind ignorance and lack of foresight must be what Wiegraf sees in most nobles. Alas, even I must agree, you resemble what the majority have become...
Ramza: Delita, you are wounded!
Delita: The fight is not the same... these are our classmates... is it truly neccessary to fight them, in such a struggle?
Ramza: Once we defeat (Teacher), this should calm the madness...
(Defeat All Enemies at Mandalia)
Teacher: Save your Nanten friend, defeat me, then what do you plan? To go home? Hah! Dycedarg's plan is ruined then. Who do you think is to be blamed for this failure? You would stand directly against your brother? The reason for your being?!
Ramza:No... I... that's not... Gmph!!
(Save Algus)
Teacher: I am willing to call this off, Ramza... Wiegraf is close by, if you do not know. Let us work together to catch the leader of the Death Corps and put all this ugliness behind us...
Ramza: You would rather I leave Algus here to die... he was our responsibility! We were his shield! Our offer of protection to him is nothing more then crumbled ashes by this point!
Teacher: Pathetic child! You obviously do not know the meaning of diplomacy or compromise!
{signals in more units}
Delita: (Teacher)! For Algus's death, I'll repay our debt to him with your own death!
Teacher: Strong words, for a boy without an ounce of noble blood in his body! If you are to somehow survive this nothing will be changed! You'll just be our play things, continuing to languish out existence for our sakes! That is what your kind does! Live with it!
Delita: You sound just like her... so the nobles are to blame...
Teacher: Her? Ah, that's right. You had mentioned you had a little sister. I wonder what she would think of her brother's pathetic death? All alone in this big world, without a person in the world to care for her! What a horrible big brother you must be!
Delita: No! That's not how it happened... she... Raaah! I have no reason to explain myself to you cur! Prepare to meet your end!
(Teacher's Death)
Teacher: Can't we go... back...?
And that's all the script on Zeakden I could find, but I swear some of it is missing...
In any case, the difference in the two choices will be pretty prevalent, if you choose to save Algus, you will get a rare War Trophy from one of the units called in, if you don't save Algus you miss that item.
Please, tell me what you think?
Now what if his goals were not so earnest? Who sends a cadet with a troupe of his own to challenge thieves and rogues, enemies of the state? A very powerful brother of said cadet. This is basically the start of it, but let's assume his inferiority complex runs deeper... His jealousy of Ramza made prevalant? Well this is what I think the cores of this character should be.
1.Jealous of Ramza for being from one of the noblest houses in the land.
2. Looks at how much Ramza had achieved with his small detachment?
3. A deep running rivalry with the Nanten (which is the section Algus hails from)
4. A commander of little note in the Fifty Year War, though when danger showed up again, it was not he who had been chosen, but of course the ever gifted little brother of the Hokuten Leader.
5. A special mission assigned from Dycedarg to finally attain glory, as well as satisfy his need for vengeance against the Nanten on the little noble who had stumbled into Gallione.
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There are a few opportunities to develop this man's character. The first is obviously the opening, giving him an exasperated tone with Ramza, and a barely concealed dislike sets his character up for later points.
Ramza and Delita can speak about him, showing they are quite familiar with him. Also his Brave Story record can show that he was a commander who fared decently against Omdolia in the Fifty Year War. Though when it came to work together with the Nanten to push them back, he askewed the efforts, being honorably discharged and sent to train Cadets in the Military Academy.
Thus enters Ramza, a hotshot noble from the Beoulve clan, given every special favor and with an ever so "humble" attitude. He didn't have the heart to be a leader, especially of his Own students. Yet orders from above put that little brat in charge! As the years went by, the man's hate for Ramza escalated that it was a hardly a secret. By the final year, all of Ramza's peers recognized the malice this man had for him.
Perhaps the breaking point was when he sent Ramza and his followers off to fight a group of desperate and fairly deranged thieves. Locking the doors to the Academy behind them, forcing them to fight in a life or death situation.
(Replacing the Balbanes scene)
Ramza and Delita confront the teacher, after breaking the door down. Inside they find the teacher making out with the female knight that delivered the message to him. Ramza and Delita rudely interrupt them, demanding to know why the door was shut. The female knight runs off and the teacher makes up an excuse as to why the door was locked "To assure none of the bandits reached here of course..." Delita brazen enough to ask if he planned for them to fail, citing the little make-out session with the female knight. The teacher visibly scoffs at the idea. Explaining the whole of the thing away. "I was clearly celebrating your victory! Any fool with a lick of sense could see that!"
Ramza having enough of it, stops the current situation. Asking the teacher for their next orders. He explains that Dycedarg wanted Ramza to return to his home in Igros. Also that he was free to take his little "band" with him. Ramza gives a customary bow, while Delita just leaves. Ramza leaves shortly there after. The teacher just sighs, cue end scene.
Next we see of the teacher is after the Beoulve residence is attacked, he is meeting with Dycedarg before Ramza, Delita, and Alma arrive. The teacher arrives, addressing Dycedarg in a humble tone, which he seems to have trouble doing... "Oh most gracious, powerful... gracious... Lord of the Beoulve clan, what can this lowly servant do to aid you?" Bowing of course. Dycedarg tells him there is no need for such formality, they were "old friends" after all. He tells him of the situation, and what glory is to be gained for putting the final nail into the Death Corps coffin. No doubt winning a place of renown. "Also the matter of a troublesome little noble from Limberry who wishes to go back to his leader. A strong boy to be sure, and could become a thorn in our side, if we let him go..."
The teacher says he understands, and heads off to prepare his specialized troop (also to note this group is from the academy as well, more then likely the rivals to Ramza's own team.)
Next you meet him is Zeakden, where the scene plays out normally
Golagros: Flee from whence you came! Your precious noble would come to harm if you do not. Any tricks you may have are based on a fools errand. The powder inside the fort is vast. A quantity enough to make even hell quiver!
Teacher: High spoken commoner... who does he think he is?
[Ramza and Delita finally arrives at the scene.]
Ramza: (Teacher)! Algus!!
[Delita sees Algus.]
Delita: Algus!!
Algus: Delita and Ramza! Thank the gods!
Golagros: You wouldn't wish harm on this young man, would you? As I would not, but if my hand is forced...
Teacher:Tch! Spill the blood of all the Nanten for all I care! But this one's mine!
Algus: What?!
[Teacher aims and shoots at Algus.]
Golagros: May Heaven's blessings be upo...
[Teacher shoots again. This time at Golagros, wounding him.]
Algus: My friends...
Delita: Algus!
[A Hokuten knight appears from the shadow behind Zalbag.]
Hokuten Knight: General (Teacher), more enemies are on the
mountain path! There are about 50 of them. I've been informed
one of them resembles Wiegraf!
Teacher: Wiegraf! What a day! To catch the leader and squash a bug of a Nanten!
[looks around and notices Ramza and his band]
Teacher: Hmm? I'll be right there, just have to take care of something first...
Golagros: I must beg your forgiveness, holy Ajora...
[Golagros locks himself inside the fort.]
Delita: Algus! Hold on for a while longer, we will save you!
Teacher: Bahaha! I've been waiting for this day! For four long years... this is a dream come true!
Delita: (Teacher)! You...! You've become...
Teacher: A child of the highest house... and a child of no house... I will show you both...
Ramza: (Teacher), have you lost your mind! This is...
Teacher: That no matter what kind of blood, noble or common! It all drops the same!
[Teacher signals in his own specially picked troops, Ramza's own classmates]
Ramza: Have you gone insane?! Is this truly the best decision? To rebel against the Hokuten?! Bringing along others in your coup will...
Teacher:Coup? Silly little boy! This is your brother's orders! That Algus Sadalfas, quite a gifted soldier indeed. At his young age, already mastering such abilities... he was a hindrance to us! A Nanten in Gallione is a dangerous infiltration, and was too close to your brother Zalbag for Dycedarg's comfort!
Ramza: Wiegraf's words ring true then... Why though? Why...
Teacher:Why what? Why was I chosen? Because Dycedarg saw I had potential! He knew you and your "oh so pious do-gooder" of a brother would never undertake this task! I was once a commander! One small blunder thanks to the Nanten cost me everything! I was demoted to teaching you pathetic brats how to fight! It is only because of Dycedarg that you went anywhere in life! Without him you're nothing! That is where you will soon return to now, nothingness. I'll put you out of the picture, and claim the glory that I righfully deserve! The end of the Death Corps belong to me!
Ramza: You're a mad man...
Teacher: And you? You're a spoiled little brat, who always got his way! You lived in a candy coated world, filled with only your own views and illusions! A child like you has no right to tell me my own state of mind! You had everything given to you, yet you could have asked for much more!
Ramza: What is this madness, you speak of...?
Teacher: Everything might have been different had you exercised the powers that were your birth given right! But your humble nature let you fall into the hands of another! Dycedarg controls the strings and you are all his little puppets. How fitting your humility would leave you to die in such an ignoble place! Time to cut a few strings short!
Ramza: You would be underestimating me, (Teacher), if you choose to view me in such a way.
Teacher: Is that so? Well your form appears to have improved, along with your overall leadership, but that is as far as it goes, you're still just a boy unsure of what you want to do, or where to go. I can use this confusion, this situation was over before it began. You should stop resisting and submit to your fate, it will make things much simpler. Your ranks are falling apart and your band's strength fades in the face of our assault!
Ramza: You vain fool... you are doing what you accuse me of. I have a realistic grip on this situation, whie you view us as insects to be exterminated. Your blind ignorance and lack of foresight must be what Wiegraf sees in most nobles. Alas, even I must agree, you resemble what the majority have become...
Ramza: Delita, you are wounded!
Delita: The fight is not the same... these are our classmates... is it truly neccessary to fight them, in such a struggle?
Ramza: Once we defeat (Teacher), this should calm the madness...
(Defeat All Enemies at Mandalia)
Teacher: Save your Nanten friend, defeat me, then what do you plan? To go home? Hah! Dycedarg's plan is ruined then. Who do you think is to be blamed for this failure? You would stand directly against your brother? The reason for your being?!
Ramza:No... I... that's not... Gmph!!
(Save Algus)
Teacher: I am willing to call this off, Ramza... Wiegraf is close by, if you do not know. Let us work together to catch the leader of the Death Corps and put all this ugliness behind us...
Ramza: You would rather I leave Algus here to die... he was our responsibility! We were his shield! Our offer of protection to him is nothing more then crumbled ashes by this point!
Teacher: Pathetic child! You obviously do not know the meaning of diplomacy or compromise!
{signals in more units}
Delita: (Teacher)! For Algus's death, I'll repay our debt to him with your own death!
Teacher: Strong words, for a boy without an ounce of noble blood in his body! If you are to somehow survive this nothing will be changed! You'll just be our play things, continuing to languish out existence for our sakes! That is what your kind does! Live with it!
Delita: You sound just like her... so the nobles are to blame...
Teacher: Her? Ah, that's right. You had mentioned you had a little sister. I wonder what she would think of her brother's pathetic death? All alone in this big world, without a person in the world to care for her! What a horrible big brother you must be!
Delita: No! That's not how it happened... she... Raaah! I have no reason to explain myself to you cur! Prepare to meet your end!
(Teacher's Death)
Teacher: Can't we go... back...?
And that's all the script on Zeakden I could find, but I swear some of it is missing...
In any case, the difference in the two choices will be pretty prevalent, if you choose to save Algus, you will get a rare War Trophy from one of the units called in, if you don't save Algus you miss that item.
Please, tell me what you think?
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Post by: Zalge on February 07, 2009, 08:27:50 pm
Post by: Zalge on February 07, 2009, 08:27:50 pm
That sounds awesome, and probably would become a great addition to the shrine knights if you make him survive somehow xD
EDIT: He sounds like he could use his own sprite. Sounds like a project for a boredom ridden teenager like me.
EDIT: He sounds like he could use his own sprite. Sounds like a project for a boredom ridden teenager like me.
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Post by: tithin on February 07, 2009, 09:36:04 pm
Post by: tithin on February 07, 2009, 09:36:04 pm
That is exceptional LD, and I can easily see that as being plausible in the game world.
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Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 11:21:54 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 07, 2009, 11:21:54 pm
i am really into this idea. your story ideas are just brilliant
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Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 11:24:27 pm
Post by: BloodyBlade on February 07, 2009, 11:24:27 pm
Thats LD for ya
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Post by: Goomba on February 07, 2009, 11:45:36 pm
Post by: Goomba on February 07, 2009, 11:45:36 pm
I KNEW that other people wondered why you never saw the Cadets teacher or that female knight again! Noice explanation for what we all assumed all along, LD.
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 05:37:28 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 05:37:28 pm
Hmm...now on the other page you have a picture of izilude/isilude on the sheet. Does he take his sister's place, or do they both survive?
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 05:41:47 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 05:41:47 pm
yes he takes his sister's place, unfortunately for Meliadoul she never gets to take part in battle (as of yet) so you fight Izlude twice before you get him. the second time being in the place Meliadoul fought you. What do you guys think? should it be Mel fighting in the book storage then?
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 05:46:56 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 05:46:56 pm
I would say yes, but make sure to kill her for the simple reason it adds purpose to the story methinks. Before folmarv kills isilude they preach that they are good guys, are trying to help everybody, end wars etc. Despite the fact that they seem to be evil because they are lucavi, one may even question it up to that point. But when he kills his own son becuase of his failure, it is quite obvious they are truely evil.
Also, I noted you let olan be in the party...um... you may want to make him immortal or change the storyteller because olan (oran whatever) WROTE the durai papers (PSP version I think) which means if he dies there wouldn't be a story in the first place.
Also, I noted you let olan be in the party...um... you may want to make him immortal or change the storyteller because olan (oran whatever) WROTE the durai papers (PSP version I think) which means if he dies there wouldn't be a story in the first place.
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 06:01:47 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 06:01:47 pm
yep, actually as it is planned to go, up untill the point that Olan joins, he is writing the papers, but will be leaving the rest up to Orlandu who is "killed" off as normally but never joins. He will be writing the story continuing to call them the Durai papers
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 06:16:26 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 06:16:26 pm
hmmm....interesting indeed...
You also spared Prince Larg it seems. Now I can see two potential problems for this 1. doesn't give a good way for delita to become king if one of the guys in line for the throne is still alive, 2. Dycedarg kills Prince Larg which makes zalbaag doubt that he is truly a chivalrous person like he is supposed to be, which causes zalbaag to eventually confront him.
I noted you kept zalbaag alive which is cool, I can think of one way this could happen (ramza somhow healing him using holy water or somesuch), but how do you plan for it to happen?
You also spared Prince Larg it seems. Now I can see two potential problems for this 1. doesn't give a good way for delita to become king if one of the guys in line for the throne is still alive, 2. Dycedarg kills Prince Larg which makes zalbaag doubt that he is truly a chivalrous person like he is supposed to be, which causes zalbaag to eventually confront him.
I noted you kept zalbaag alive which is cool, I can think of one way this could happen (ramza somhow healing him using holy water or somesuch), but how do you plan for it to happen?
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 07:14:56 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 07:14:56 pm
Larg:
will become suspicious of Dycedarg, unlike the way it goes originally
His "death" will be similar to Orlandu's where he has a double protecting him. However, he cannot return to his position as duke since he would be in great danger, therefore you have the opportunity to recruit him after the point where he is thought to be dead.
Zalbag:
Unlike the original story, ramza will catch zalbag about to enter the Igros castle instead of merely seeing the chocobo waiting there. Inside you will find Dycedarg in the position that zalbag was originally in, with sword drawn to none other than DEB! this fight will be extremely hard and at the end of it all DEB who will share the same sign as his slightly younger brother will turn into adramelk. Dycedarg will be sent to hell instead of Zalbag who has already joined your party (being written out of the story by doing so). I might try to add a line for zalbag to say if he is put in the party here if i am able to.
It also might be of interest to note that Zalbag will have the Holy Sword skillset instead of Destroy sword which has been given to Alicia
will become suspicious of Dycedarg, unlike the way it goes originally
His "death" will be similar to Orlandu's where he has a double protecting him. However, he cannot return to his position as duke since he would be in great danger, therefore you have the opportunity to recruit him after the point where he is thought to be dead.
Zalbag:
Unlike the original story, ramza will catch zalbag about to enter the Igros castle instead of merely seeing the chocobo waiting there. Inside you will find Dycedarg in the position that zalbag was originally in, with sword drawn to none other than DEB! this fight will be extremely hard and at the end of it all DEB who will share the same sign as his slightly younger brother will turn into adramelk. Dycedarg will be sent to hell instead of Zalbag who has already joined your party (being written out of the story by doing so). I might try to add a line for zalbag to say if he is put in the party here if i am able to.
It also might be of interest to note that Zalbag will have the Holy Sword skillset instead of Destroy sword which has been given to Alicia
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 07:17:52 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 07:17:52 pm
Is the DEB supposed to be a joke reference to the mistype/translation in that same battle?
Hmm...good idea for saving zalbaag...I will think of other questions to ask as well.
Hmm...good idea for saving zalbaag...I will think of other questions to ask as well.
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 07:21:47 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 07:21:47 pm
DEB was created out of the Joke and mistranslation of the event goal for that battle. However, like the joke topics he will be extremely powerful, and will also be able to down single targets no matter how much defense they have.
Oh in case you're wondering about Rafa and Malak. They arent just bumped out. The story proceeds normally untill Riovannes rooftop. Malak gets shot as usual. But after lede throws Bariten off the back of the rooftop, Celia will walk right up to rafa, grab her by the collar and throw her off the front side. then she will either push malaks body over, or burn it...
and if your not wondering about those two, good cause they dead!
Oh in case you're wondering about Rafa and Malak. They arent just bumped out. The story proceeds normally untill Riovannes rooftop. Malak gets shot as usual. But after lede throws Bariten off the back of the rooftop, Celia will walk right up to rafa, grab her by the collar and throw her off the front side. then she will either push malaks body over, or burn it...
and if your not wondering about those two, good cause they dead!
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Post by: Zalge on February 09, 2009, 10:06:41 pm
Post by: Zalge on February 09, 2009, 10:06:41 pm
So, this story is basically amswering the long time question... "What would happen if Algus wasn't a bastard?"
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:09:26 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:09:26 pm
Instead it introduces the question "what if teta was a bastard"
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:31:37 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:31:37 pm
haha, i guess it sort of does both doesnt it? but we dont really know how good or bad algus is in this version, just like in the original, did you ever really know Teta long enough to know what type of person she was?
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:33:48 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:33:48 pm
Well, by trying to keep from worrying her brother in the discussion about how things were going at her school, we can see that she was thoughtful to say the least.
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:37:41 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:37:41 pm
to avoid her peers who always looked down on her for being a commoner.. young Tietra would often cut class to spend hours at a time deep in the underground book storage... reading old tomes of all kinds of magics not taught at the school.... mwahahaa
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:38:47 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:38:47 pm
Ok, tat is cool too...
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:53:04 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 10:53:04 pm
well actually i just now made that up. the actual plan for the story was that she truly was an innocent girl, not unlike alma. unfortunately having posession of a zodiac stone (one compatible with her) slowly corrupts her.
as she travels alongside her brother and Ramza.
as she travels alongside her brother and Ramza.
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:57:52 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 10:57:52 pm
I hope we get to kill teta. I never liked her. I thought the purple was gawdy. :evil:
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 11:01:03 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 11:01:03 pm
Lol, well when you kill teta, she turns into famfrit
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Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 11:02:53 pm
Post by: Llednar on February 09, 2009, 11:02:53 pm
Kill famfrit to, then cut of his cannon and feed it to the nearest moogle...
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Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 11:04:53 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 09, 2009, 11:04:53 pm
moogles are extinct 
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 09, 2009, 11:07:29 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 09, 2009, 11:07:29 pm
Quote from: "Llednar"Kill famfrit to, then cut of his cannon and feed it to the nearest moogle...
Yes cut off his "cannon".....*wink wink*
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Post by: Zozma on February 10, 2009, 09:45:15 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 10, 2009, 09:45:15 pm
okay there we have it, This will be the guy who shoots Algus
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Post by: LastingDawn on February 11, 2009, 04:04:00 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on February 11, 2009, 04:04:00 pm
Looking good, as we discussed on IRC, looks like that devious portrait really fits the character, as of yet we still don't have a name yet, any ideas?
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Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 04:06:07 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 04:06:07 pm
we should try to get something original but not too complicated either. and something perhaps that fits thepersonality of the character. then again, we could always use one of the names from the 'not so random' enemies that storm the main gate of orbonne, since i took the names out and made them random there. who knows.
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Post by: Novalon on February 11, 2009, 04:31:12 pm
Post by: Novalon on February 11, 2009, 04:31:12 pm
I was thinking of a proper response to the videos that were posted, after all, I thought the way Delita acted at Zeakden was peculiar. Now, after seeing LD's suggestion, I honestly think you should go that route.
The way I viewed Tactics, I always saw Meliadoul and Izlude to be sort of a reference to Miluda and Wiegraf. Ramza's remembering of Miluda's death caused him to act differently when it came to Izlude and Meliadoul, in fact, he let them live during the battles he encountered them in. That Miluda doesn't die here, might cause Ramza to act differently when it comes to Meliadoul, or she and her brother have reversed places, and she holds favor as a possible Shrine Knight.
Speaking of Shrine Knights, I don't recall what you had planned for Beowulf, but making him a Shrine Knight might be awesome. Instead of fighting Vormav, Rofel, and Kletlain, why not Beowulf, Reis, and... uh... Agrias? I just had a thought about Agrias, really. Perhaps the Shrine Knights could influence her in a way that she feels the Princess would be safest with their aid.
Of course, this opens the realm of new possibilities. What if the Princess was also considered as a host for Bloody Angel? In effect, Agrias believes she's protecting the Princess from Ramza, but in the end, sends her to her doom. The way the final battle could play out, is you have the Princess become the host, and Alma helps as usual. Or have Alma be the host, and the Princess help. OR, have Altima do something like in the normal game, and somehow clone their bodies or whatever to come up with the final boss...
Oh yeah, and maybe even have someone edit the final boss to make her look even more scary/epic. Make the final form more like a goddess with even more wings, maybe.
I'm grasping at things here, but at least I like everything else that has been mentioned so far, so I figured I'd at least throw in my own two cents.
The way I viewed Tactics, I always saw Meliadoul and Izlude to be sort of a reference to Miluda and Wiegraf. Ramza's remembering of Miluda's death caused him to act differently when it came to Izlude and Meliadoul, in fact, he let them live during the battles he encountered them in. That Miluda doesn't die here, might cause Ramza to act differently when it comes to Meliadoul, or she and her brother have reversed places, and she holds favor as a possible Shrine Knight.
Speaking of Shrine Knights, I don't recall what you had planned for Beowulf, but making him a Shrine Knight might be awesome. Instead of fighting Vormav, Rofel, and Kletlain, why not Beowulf, Reis, and... uh... Agrias? I just had a thought about Agrias, really. Perhaps the Shrine Knights could influence her in a way that she feels the Princess would be safest with their aid.
Of course, this opens the realm of new possibilities. What if the Princess was also considered as a host for Bloody Angel? In effect, Agrias believes she's protecting the Princess from Ramza, but in the end, sends her to her doom. The way the final battle could play out, is you have the Princess become the host, and Alma helps as usual. Or have Alma be the host, and the Princess help. OR, have Altima do something like in the normal game, and somehow clone their bodies or whatever to come up with the final boss...
Oh yeah, and maybe even have someone edit the final boss to make her look even more scary/epic. Make the final form more like a goddess with even more wings, maybe.
I'm grasping at things here, but at least I like everything else that has been mentioned so far, so I figured I'd at least throw in my own two cents.
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Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 04:49:16 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 04:49:16 pm
yeah things with the story are being hammered out over time.
Remember, the roster i have displayed tho. those are the recruitable characters. Things go a totally different way with Ovelia and Agrias.
Remember, the roster i have displayed tho. those are the recruitable characters. Things go a totally different way with Ovelia and Agrias.
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 11, 2009, 04:53:22 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 11, 2009, 04:53:22 pm
It would really help if they came out with a hack that allows for a larger roster.
I would think that some research into WoTL would turn up a way to make that hack work.
I would think that some research into WoTL would turn up a way to make that hack work.
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Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 08:35:43 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 11, 2009, 08:35:43 pm
seriously, i could really use the amount of spaces that the psp version allows... but oh well 
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 11, 2009, 09:50:20 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 11, 2009, 09:50:20 pm
I shall mess around with the code and see if I can come up with anything that may help.
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Post by: Zozma on February 13, 2009, 02:06:55 am
Post by: Zozma on February 13, 2009, 02:06:55 am
gotta post this here so i don't forget it. made by Lasting Dawn 
thanks dude
Ramza: "Lord Larg?! You're alive?!"
Larg: "Hmm? Is that the heretic Ramza I spot? Hah, well you have certainly grown... I had come to the Glabados church seeking Asylum to fight back against that ingrate Beoulve!"
Ramza: "There's no need for that, both of my brother's have now passed on... but how did you survive? You were said to be..."
Larg: "Dead? Yes, I was. My poor body double... do you know how difficult it is to find an exact clone of me? "
Ramza: "I see... well no one is left at the church to help you, lord Larg."
Larg: "I can see that now, very plainly... I won't ask what your gripe is with them, or why you and your troupe massacred an entire cathedral... I just ask that you protect me."
Ramza: "Protect you?! B-But...!"
Larg: "You are a heretic, you will need a man like me to get back on the countries good side. Where ever you go, I will follow. When you get your dues, then it's my turn. Where I go, you follow. Do we have a deal?"
<Lasting_Dawn> Cue end scene, have the choice to hire Larg or not.
thanks dudeRamza: "Lord Larg?! You're alive?!"
Larg: "Hmm? Is that the heretic Ramza I spot? Hah, well you have certainly grown... I had come to the Glabados church seeking Asylum to fight back against that ingrate Beoulve!"
Ramza: "There's no need for that, both of my brother's have now passed on... but how did you survive? You were said to be..."
Larg: "Dead? Yes, I was. My poor body double... do you know how difficult it is to find an exact clone of me? "
Ramza: "I see... well no one is left at the church to help you, lord Larg."
Larg: "I can see that now, very plainly... I won't ask what your gripe is with them, or why you and your troupe massacred an entire cathedral... I just ask that you protect me."
Ramza: "Protect you?! B-But...!"
Larg: "You are a heretic, you will need a man like me to get back on the countries good side. Where ever you go, I will follow. When you get your dues, then it's my turn. Where I go, you follow. Do we have a deal?"
<Lasting_Dawn> Cue end scene, have the choice to hire Larg or not.
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Post by: Novalon on February 15, 2009, 07:53:28 pm
Post by: Novalon on February 15, 2009, 07:53:28 pm
It seems Larg and Tietra share the same skillset, quite awesome if you ask me.
I just had a thought about Algus. Could he really be dead from Zeakden's explosion? Or... could he have survived, or possibly come back in the same way that Malak did?
Of course, if you already have your story fleshed out, go ahead and disregard that, I'm not sure exactly what you have or what you don't.
Love the scene with Larg, by the way!
I just had a thought about Algus. Could he really be dead from Zeakden's explosion? Or... could he have survived, or possibly come back in the same way that Malak did?
Of course, if you already have your story fleshed out, go ahead and disregard that, I'm not sure exactly what you have or what you don't.
Love the scene with Larg, by the way!
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Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 07:58:21 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 07:58:21 pm
thanks, LD helped me alot with that (i have to change the "both" of my brothers thing just to dycedarg tho)
algus, i dont know if theres much room storywise to show him again. the survivor of that incident has been planned to be surprisingly enough, Golgaros.
Edit: Okay so, the Magic City Gariland battle, now that Vicks goes with you the fight will go a little differently. He will be 9 levels higher than the party, (level 10) after getting 4 turns he will leave the rest to Ramza and crew. (he should be able to kill 4 units in that time) (4 enemy units have been added to the battle anyway)
Adding him into this battle gives you a chance to
get to know this Vicks guy just a little bit. before he...
algus, i dont know if theres much room storywise to show him again. the survivor of that incident has been planned to be surprisingly enough, Golgaros.
Edit: Okay so, the Magic City Gariland battle, now that Vicks goes with you the fight will go a little differently. He will be 9 levels higher than the party, (level 10) after getting 4 turns he will leave the rest to Ramza and crew. (he should be able to kill 4 units in that time) (4 enemy units have been added to the battle anyway)
Adding him into this battle gives you a chance to
get to know this Vicks guy just a little bit. before he...
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:11:16 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:11:16 pm
UPDATE: I though I found a way to increase the size of the roster but it ended in some very screwy results so that idea was trashed and I'm now working on another one.
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Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:19:56 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:19:56 pm
I know razele tried it once but says that it still counted the other 4 members like guests... i guess were just screwed for now. youll have to give some of them the boot, or perhaps ill write a few characters out with violently tragic ends mwahaha
mwahaha
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:21:50 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:21:50 pm
I'll take a violently tragic end if it makes up for my projects failure.
Also to keep another character from taking the bullet.
Also to keep another character from taking the bullet.
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Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:34:39 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:34:39 pm
but if you died then another character would have to take on the earth abilities! otherwise id have a party imbalance XD
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:37:20 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 15, 2009, 10:37:20 pm
Oh ho no this is a quagmire.
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Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:51:17 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 15, 2009, 10:51:17 pm
i don wanna make ppl have to die, i dont have enough events to kill off that many ppl haha... tho it would be interesting showing the powers being passed on. but u don wanna die now do ya?
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Post by: Zozma on February 16, 2009, 03:47:28 am
Post by: Zozma on February 16, 2009, 03:47:28 am
Okay, I will be making an attempt to further organize a list of all the story events so that you all will be able to see where this patch is going (storywise)
bear in mind that not everything in the story will change. some places will be significantly different while others seem almost exactly the same. And i will tell you right now that I am completely uncertain if this will be compatible with the psp version. But on the safe side, don't plan on that just yet.
bear in mind that not everything in the story will change. some places will be significantly different while others seem almost exactly the same. And i will tell you right now that I am completely uncertain if this will be compatible with the psp version. But on the safe side, don't plan on that just yet.
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 16, 2009, 10:45:29 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 16, 2009, 10:45:29 pm
Quote from: "Zozma"i don wanna make ppl have to die, i dont have enough events to kill off that many ppl haha... tho it would be interesting showing the powers being passed on. but u don wanna die now do ya?
It honestly doesn't bother me as I have the personality traits of the tragic side character. (Or so I'm told)
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Post by: Zozma on February 16, 2009, 10:50:40 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 16, 2009, 10:50:40 pm
oh hell, it would be hard to find another earth user anyway... maybe ill kill off mustadeo lol... naw i think its all good.
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 17, 2009, 11:20:07 am
Post by: DarthPaul on February 17, 2009, 11:20:07 am
.........You could have a Sephiroth level......and kill off Aeris.........please don't hurt me!
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Post by: Zozma on February 17, 2009, 02:24:51 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 17, 2009, 02:24:51 pm
lol, aeris has been murdered enough times already
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Post by: DarthPaul on February 17, 2009, 02:35:22 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on February 17, 2009, 02:35:22 pm
Lol it was just a suggestion to be funny. Also it would piss off fanboys.
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Post by: Zozma on February 17, 2009, 08:25:49 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 17, 2009, 08:25:49 pm
she even got murdered again in fft in a spoof done by Zodiac poor girl really drew the short end of the stick didn't she.
poor girl really drew the short end of the stick didn't she.
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Post by: Zozma on February 19, 2009, 02:11:42 am
Post by: Zozma on February 19, 2009, 02:11:42 am
okay so gariland magic city, ive pretty much put filler text here for now.
Also, the results of the new text editor <3
Also, the results of the new text editor <3
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Post by: LastingDawn on February 19, 2009, 04:11:43 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on February 19, 2009, 04:11:43 pm
If I may suggest a bit of dialogue for him, at this point. Keep in mind by this point he has to be passive aggressive. His character is a spurned man, he is also though a noble. Definitely has no love for teaching, but is ordered to by the crown, also he is lucky to have any job after the war. He may have an unabating hatred for Ramza, no one would think he would out right try to get them killed though. Though perhaps this can lend even more room for his character... do we want to make him do anything for fame?
For instance, the tired and deranged thieves could have been lured in by Vicks.
Thief: Wha? What's this?! Our informant had said this portion of the city was bereft of soldiers!
Vagrant: They're just kids though! We can push through.
Rogue: No, look over there...
Vicks: I am Vicks Guranden* of Fovoham! Do you know who you threaten? It matters not! Prepare to meet your end, rogues! Know you die by my hand!
Ramza: I've never seen Master Vicks so heated. What do you think of this Delita? With a renowned man such as Master Vicks there's no chance for defeat.
Delita: Something's wrong here... I just can't put my finger on it, but...
Rogue: We've been lured in! This has been a trap from the very beginning!
Thief: Hold tight my men! We've been dealt some bad luck today, but all we have to do is break through this commander, then we can regroup with the other's in Mandalia. Surely Gustav's plans must be coming to a close.
Vagrant: Am-Am I prepared to die for this?!
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(Set Vicks AI to attack the leader, then play off of that)
Thief: To die a noble death... is all we can so desire.
Vicks: Vicks Guranden has defeated the enemy commander!
Vicks: This rabble is insignificant, surely you must be able to defeat even these fools, Beoulve.
Ramza: Th-this many Master Vicks?
Vicks:Their leader is dead and their spirit crushed. You don't deserve to be among soldiers if you can't defeat them. I will be awaiting you and our comrades in the Military Academy.
(Runs off, locks the door)
Delita: Hold fast Ramza! They have only become enraged at the loss of their leader! That bastard! He...
Ramza: Quiet Delita! Master Vicks has left the situation in our hands. We will persevere, somehow...
(Three more thieves come running in)
Vagabond: We' been promis'd the key to this city! Gariland, is now the propa'ty of ta Death Corps!
Delita: More of them?! Ramza enough is enough! Someone has manipulated these villians into infiltrating the city!
Ramza:...
(Battle ensues, they miraculously hold off the forces)
Ramza: Though they were thieves, they were people as well... I cannot help but feel remorse for their plight... Delita, let us report to Master Vicks, with this our assignment is finished.
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It is not blatantly obvious, that Vicks was the one who lured them into Gariland with promises of refuge, but it is semi hinted that he did call them in for a double purpose.
1. Notice that he stays only until the enemy commander falls (thus making himself the hero of the battle)
2. To watch Ramza and his personal unit suffer defeat. If Ramza did survive the battle his self-esteem would be so tarnished he would never try to raise an army again. Once Ramza had failed and his rendevous with Monica was finished, he would round up the Knights in the seperate parts of the city and drive out the invading Death Corps. Thus hoping to promote himself to replace the "incompotent" Guard Captain (which in truth he had told just that day to not place his guards in that section of the city, as the Cadets will be performing a "mock battle".
Is this a bit much, Zozma?
For instance, the tired and deranged thieves could have been lured in by Vicks.
Thief: Wha? What's this?! Our informant had said this portion of the city was bereft of soldiers!
Vagrant: They're just kids though! We can push through.
Rogue: No, look over there...
Vicks: I am Vicks Guranden* of Fovoham! Do you know who you threaten? It matters not! Prepare to meet your end, rogues! Know you die by my hand!
Ramza: I've never seen Master Vicks so heated. What do you think of this Delita? With a renowned man such as Master Vicks there's no chance for defeat.
Delita: Something's wrong here... I just can't put my finger on it, but...
Rogue: We've been lured in! This has been a trap from the very beginning!
Thief: Hold tight my men! We've been dealt some bad luck today, but all we have to do is break through this commander, then we can regroup with the other's in Mandalia. Surely Gustav's plans must be coming to a close.
Vagrant: Am-Am I prepared to die for this?!
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(Set Vicks AI to attack the leader, then play off of that)
Thief: To die a noble death... is all we can so desire.
Vicks: Vicks Guranden has defeated the enemy commander!
Vicks: This rabble is insignificant, surely you must be able to defeat even these fools, Beoulve.
Ramza: Th-this many Master Vicks?
Vicks:Their leader is dead and their spirit crushed. You don't deserve to be among soldiers if you can't defeat them. I will be awaiting you and our comrades in the Military Academy.
(Runs off, locks the door)
Delita: Hold fast Ramza! They have only become enraged at the loss of their leader! That bastard! He...
Ramza: Quiet Delita! Master Vicks has left the situation in our hands. We will persevere, somehow...
(Three more thieves come running in)
Vagabond: We' been promis'd the key to this city! Gariland, is now the propa'ty of ta Death Corps!
Delita: More of them?! Ramza enough is enough! Someone has manipulated these villians into infiltrating the city!
Ramza:...
(Battle ensues, they miraculously hold off the forces)
Ramza: Though they were thieves, they were people as well... I cannot help but feel remorse for their plight... Delita, let us report to Master Vicks, with this our assignment is finished.
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It is not blatantly obvious, that Vicks was the one who lured them into Gariland with promises of refuge, but it is semi hinted that he did call them in for a double purpose.
1. Notice that he stays only until the enemy commander falls (thus making himself the hero of the battle)
2. To watch Ramza and his personal unit suffer defeat. If Ramza did survive the battle his self-esteem would be so tarnished he would never try to raise an army again. Once Ramza had failed and his rendevous with Monica was finished, he would round up the Knights in the seperate parts of the city and drive out the invading Death Corps. Thus hoping to promote himself to replace the "incompotent" Guard Captain (which in truth he had told just that day to not place his guards in that section of the city, as the Cadets will be performing a "mock battle".
Is this a bit much, Zozma?
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Post by: Zozma on February 20, 2009, 06:31:04 am
Post by: Zozma on February 20, 2009, 06:31:04 am
not too much at all!
so I managed to fit every last bit of your opening dialog in. i even threw in the special eventchr animation of one of the generic squires.
whew! my goodness it took hours to get the "Start" of this event finished.
i havent even gone back to fix the mid event where he leaves! i guess thats tonights task.
so I managed to fit every last bit of your opening dialog in. i even threw in the special eventchr animation of one of the generic squires.
whew! my goodness it took hours to get the "Start" of this event finished.
i havent even gone back to fix the mid event where he leaves! i guess thats tonights task.
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Post by: Novalon on February 21, 2009, 08:19:18 pm
Post by: Novalon on February 21, 2009, 08:19:18 pm
I'm impressed every time I see editing of this fashion completed.
You know it's effective when it looks like it should have been in the game all along!
You know it's effective when it looks like it should have been in the game all along!
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Post by: Zozma on February 21, 2009, 08:52:39 pm
Post by: Zozma on February 21, 2009, 08:52:39 pm
Thanks! its one of my goals to try to make things look like they belong. other than the obvious wild hair colors some of the characters have i suppose lol...
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Post by: Smitson on February 22, 2009, 12:35:38 am
Post by: Smitson on February 22, 2009, 12:35:38 am
Quote from: "ph33rb0t"UPDATE: I though I found a way to increase the size of the roster but it ended in some very screwy results so that idea was trashed and I'm now working on another one.
Wow that would be amazing. So, Ramza reports to Vick and he ends up killing Algus? So he's kind of like Zalbaag and Dycedarg? Or am I misunderstood?
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Post by: Zozma on February 22, 2009, 02:12:37 am
Post by: Zozma on February 22, 2009, 02:12:37 am
something like that, jealous of Ramza, who he has been forced to train, and having a need to impress Dycedarg and Zalbag he follows the order to put an end to the death corps.
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Post by: Smitson on March 14, 2009, 02:49:12 pm
Post by: Smitson on March 14, 2009, 02:49:12 pm
If Zalbaag doesn't do it, have you thought about letting one of his other brothers order the shot? Personally, I felt one of the main reasons Ramza was pissed off was because his brother ordered the shot and betrayed him.
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Post by: Zozma on March 14, 2009, 11:06:23 pm
Post by: Zozma on March 14, 2009, 11:06:23 pm
im not quite sure weather to leave zalbag to give the order and have ramza forgive him later, or put someone else, but dycedarg probably wouldnt be able to be there for other reasons so im not sure who.
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Post by: SilvasRuin on March 15, 2009, 12:14:32 am
Post by: SilvasRuin on March 15, 2009, 12:14:32 am
Eh, I think part of the reason Ramza left his family behind when going merc was because of the betrayal by his family. Their coldness about Teta should be worked in somehow if his leaving is to make sense in this one. Unless you are making bigger changes to the plot than I thought, as that was a crucial plot point.
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Post by: Smitson on March 15, 2009, 01:58:20 am
Post by: Smitson on March 15, 2009, 01:58:20 am
Quote from: "Zozma"im not quite sure weather to leave zalbag to give the order and have ramza forgive him later, or put someone else, but dycedarg probably wouldnt be able to be there for other reasons so im not sure who.
What about DEB?
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Post by: Zozma on March 15, 2009, 02:15:25 am
Post by: Zozma on March 15, 2009, 02:15:25 am
DEB makes a sudden appearance and is gone after his one event. basically he shows up and steals dycedargs stone, u fight him with dycedarg as a guest. he transforms afterwards and sends dyce to hell 
he definately wont be a pushover as a human tho
he definately wont be a pushover as a human tho
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Post by: Smitson on March 16, 2009, 05:28:38 pm
Post by: Smitson on March 16, 2009, 05:28:38 pm
Oh yeah, he was just kind of made because of the error of the title of that fight right? Regardless, I think one of Ramzas brothers has to give the order, for the scene to make sense.
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Post by: Zozma on March 16, 2009, 07:26:11 pm
Post by: Zozma on March 16, 2009, 07:26:11 pm
ill probably stick with Zalbag tho i hate to leave his hands dirty with the situation, ill set it up so that ramza can forgive it due to bigger concerns (zodiac monsters and alma kidnapped)
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Post by: Smitson on March 16, 2009, 08:58:55 pm
Post by: Smitson on March 16, 2009, 08:58:55 pm
Quote from: "Zozma"ill probably stick with Zalbag tho i hate to leave his hands dirty with the situation, ill set it up so that ramza can forgive it due to bigger concerns (zodiac monsters and alma kidnapped)
Yeah, maybe have Zalbag have a heart felt apologize to Ramza before he joins explaining why he did it and he's sorry and all that crap...
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Post by: LastingDawn on March 17, 2009, 10:02:13 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on March 17, 2009, 10:02:13 pm
Hmm, the story we had for Algus and Zalbag was one that relied on Zalbag losing contact with Algus. Dycedarg is frightened of the growing influence of the boy on Zalbag. As it stands he set up this "ambush", just as Vicks did at the start, Dycedarg set the whole thing up. He sent info on the lack of defense and the presence of the "youngest Beoulve" (Algus) through a proxy which Golagros took as "news from St. Ajora himself!" Believing this to be divine intervention to their cause, Golagros storms the palace, kidnaps Algus and the whole of it is set up again. This doesn't need Zalbag's inclusion, especially since Zalbag is a much more sympathetic character in Remix. Zalbag is also hurt by this loss, but doesn't put things together until very late.
Dycedarg comes off as much more malevolent though, no doubt about that. Thus why does Ramza leave his family? Dycedarg was running things behind the scenes, Ramza becomes aware of this. Vicks points out, and as does Algus that everything is as Dycedarg sees fit. Really this puts Dycedarg as the main antagonist, I wonder if we can do any more with that... oh wait we have! I can't reveal much more then that though.
Dycedarg comes off as much more malevolent though, no doubt about that. Thus why does Ramza leave his family? Dycedarg was running things behind the scenes, Ramza becomes aware of this. Vicks points out, and as does Algus that everything is as Dycedarg sees fit. Really this puts Dycedarg as the main antagonist, I wonder if we can do any more with that... oh wait we have! I can't reveal much more then that though.
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Post by: Zozma on March 18, 2009, 05:57:46 pm
Post by: Zozma on March 18, 2009, 05:57:46 pm
brilliant as always LD
So here is how it will work. Vicks will be the one there to fire the arrow,
he will also be the commander with direct orders from Dycedarg. instead of someone saying "go on, do it"
So here is how it will work. Vicks will be the one there to fire the arrow,
he will also be the commander with direct orders from Dycedarg. instead of someone saying "go on, do it"
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Post by: Zozma on April 12, 2009, 08:35:04 am
Post by: Zozma on April 12, 2009, 08:35:04 am
alright so the reinsertion isnt as much of a pain for me as i had thought it would be heres some samples
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Post by: Cheetah on April 12, 2009, 01:21:46 pm
Post by: Cheetah on April 12, 2009, 01:21:46 pm
Very impressive Zozma. I'm glad you have over come your fear of evtchr haha.
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Post by: DarthPaul on April 12, 2009, 02:06:25 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on April 12, 2009, 02:06:25 pm
What is your secret to over coming the fear of evtchr?
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Post by: tithin on April 12, 2009, 07:54:00 pm
Post by: tithin on April 12, 2009, 07:54:00 pm
Master implies servitude, (although in fairness to Zodiacs objections, a master in a master / student relationship in this case would apply to the direct teacher, and would have a different title as 'Master' is too plain).
Perhaps 'Lord Commander' may be better
Perhaps 'Lord Commander' may be better
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Post by: Zozma on April 12, 2009, 07:54:08 pm
Post by: Zozma on April 12, 2009, 07:54:08 pm
being impatient with waiting for an easier way out lol
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Post by: Zozma on April 24, 2009, 06:18:11 pm
Post by: Zozma on April 24, 2009, 06:18:11 pm
my god, this event im working on has been the biggest pain ever, i think im gonna come back to it.
btw also, with the 4 elemental characters i think im gonna give them some odd ages, as if their charge over the pure element grants them longer lifespan as well. i wonder how old is too old hehe..
btw also, with the 4 elemental characters i think im gonna give them some odd ages, as if their charge over the pure element grants them longer lifespan as well. i wonder how old is too old hehe..
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Post by: Samuraiblackbelt on April 30, 2009, 05:54:34 pm
Post by: Samuraiblackbelt on April 30, 2009, 05:54:34 pm
too old:200
old enough to show that they have a long lifespan:100-130
old enough to show that they have a long lifespan:100-130
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Post by: GeneralStrife on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 pm
So much brilliance
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Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 10:52:54 am
Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 10:52:54 am
I would say if you place them at ages that correspong 1-100 on a 100-1000 scale to show they have a grand life scale but not too grand. So if one of them resembled a 28 year old it would be a good balance to make them around 280. Though this one good be a bit too wide. If not SBB's idea is solid.
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Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 03:33:06 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 03:33:06 pm
eherm no need to make my character THAT old lol,
well, ill probably add like 1000+ ish years to 3 of the characters
well, ill probably add like 1000+ ish years to 3 of the characters
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Post by: GeneralStrife on May 21, 2009, 04:04:45 pm
Post by: GeneralStrife on May 21, 2009, 04:04:45 pm
Lol That's pretty old
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Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 05:57:59 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 05:57:59 pm
why yes, yes it is!
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Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 08:41:06 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 08:41:06 pm
Being that old is kinda necessary for someone who guards an elemented crystal. Tis good to be wise after all.
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Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 09:32:27 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 09:32:27 pm
well they only get that old if they manage to avoid any unnatural deaths. (i guess whoever was holding the earth crystal before wasn't so lucky hehe) no i might change that and make them all relatively the same ages
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Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 10:23:27 pm
Post by: DarthPaul on May 21, 2009, 10:23:27 pm
Quote from: "Zozma"well they only get that old if they manage to avoid any unnatural deaths. (i guess whoever was holding the earth crystal before wasn't so lucky hehe) no i might change that and make them all relatively the same ages
Even better for character development, Gin got lucky when he inherited the crystal, hence why he is not fond of it.
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Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 10:24:50 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 21, 2009, 10:24:50 pm
i've still gotta find a good lvl 3 earth effect file
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Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on May 29, 2009, 02:57:27 pm
Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on May 29, 2009, 02:57:27 pm
Chapter 1
-Have all your party members except for Ramza die in the final battle, so once he becomes a mercenary, he's truly alone.
-Show Zalbag and Wieglaf fighting and Wiegraf escaping (possibly abandoning Boco in process) due to Zalbag being distracted by the blast at Fort Zieneken
-Show Zalbag returning to the fort to find Ramza and Delita missing
-Show Ramza meeting Gaferion and Rad and how he transitions from a noble to a mercenary
Chapter 2
- Have similar scene with Delita burying Teta's body that was done with Wieglaf and Miluda in WOL
- Make Ramza and Rad apprentinces to Gaferion in learning to become a Dark Knight
- If Gaferion's crystal is collected by Ramza after he is killed then Ramza's default job class should become a dark knight with his prior skills incorporated.
- Show how Delita infrultrated both the church and the Naten
- Make Boco a one of a kind Chocobo that knows all the chocobo skills in the game including the ability to fly.
Chapter 3
-Show tention between Delita and Wiegraf (since now they are playing on the same team)
- The game should allow you to play as Wiegraf and play the readevous against the Temple Knights to show what he had to go through to become one (replacing him with Melidoul in the first battle)
- Make the random assassins that attack Ovelia, Rafa and Malak...once defeated, they teleport to safety barely with their lives. This could be explained by Khamja being under contract by Dycedarg. Their faces could even be veiled like the ninja's to "hide" their identities (so when they come across Delita again as good guys, he doesn't recognize them)
- Have Boco and Wiegraf have a special conversation in both the chapter 3 battles that they are present in during chapter 3.
-Have Luso have an adverse reaction upon hearing the name "Khamja" when first confronting Malak.
Chapter 4
- If Cloud is with you, have him to have a "flashback" upon seeing Marquis Elmdor and all his stats temporarily go up including being hastened.
- Show conflict with Agrias upon Beowulf and/or Meliadoul entering the party. Especially between Beowulf and Meliadoul.
- Show a comical interaction between Baltheir and Mustadio (since apparently they are from the same ancestory) or even one upon enter Goug and Mustadio's father seeing Baltheir and realizing who he is.
-Show Baltheir attempting to loot the church and fending off the Templars.
- Show the actual backstory of Beowulf and Reis.
- Further explain Elidibus relation to the 13th stone and make byblos somehow relevant to it.
- Show Meliadoul plotting to stalk the party after her defeat in Bervenia, so when she suddenly enters the Zelera battle, it makes better sense.
- Mustadio and Balk should have a past history.
In General
- Rad, Alicia, and Lavian should have bigger roles within the plot. And if they are used in the Errands, which ever ones require you to fight, they become playable (but only if its the three of them) and they say special things in during the results of any errand. Almost like a "Misadventures of FFT" or something.
- The stones should be able to be used in battle...the results totally depending on the holder's faith level. For example, 49 and below, the holder turns into Lucavi demon and 50 and above, the holder can use the actual special abilities of the stone. Turning into a Lucavi should have consequence like, the player no longer being able to control the unit and the unit harming allies and enemies alike with its attacks. Oh and only special characters should have this ability.
-Have all your party members except for Ramza die in the final battle, so once he becomes a mercenary, he's truly alone.
-Show Zalbag and Wieglaf fighting and Wiegraf escaping (possibly abandoning Boco in process) due to Zalbag being distracted by the blast at Fort Zieneken
-Show Zalbag returning to the fort to find Ramza and Delita missing
-Show Ramza meeting Gaferion and Rad and how he transitions from a noble to a mercenary
Chapter 2
- Have similar scene with Delita burying Teta's body that was done with Wieglaf and Miluda in WOL
- Make Ramza and Rad apprentinces to Gaferion in learning to become a Dark Knight
- If Gaferion's crystal is collected by Ramza after he is killed then Ramza's default job class should become a dark knight with his prior skills incorporated.
- Show how Delita infrultrated both the church and the Naten
- Make Boco a one of a kind Chocobo that knows all the chocobo skills in the game including the ability to fly.
Chapter 3
-Show tention between Delita and Wiegraf (since now they are playing on the same team)
- The game should allow you to play as Wiegraf and play the readevous against the Temple Knights to show what he had to go through to become one (replacing him with Melidoul in the first battle)
- Make the random assassins that attack Ovelia, Rafa and Malak...once defeated, they teleport to safety barely with their lives. This could be explained by Khamja being under contract by Dycedarg. Their faces could even be veiled like the ninja's to "hide" their identities (so when they come across Delita again as good guys, he doesn't recognize them)
- Have Boco and Wiegraf have a special conversation in both the chapter 3 battles that they are present in during chapter 3.
-Have Luso have an adverse reaction upon hearing the name "Khamja" when first confronting Malak.
Chapter 4
- If Cloud is with you, have him to have a "flashback" upon seeing Marquis Elmdor and all his stats temporarily go up including being hastened.
- Show conflict with Agrias upon Beowulf and/or Meliadoul entering the party. Especially between Beowulf and Meliadoul.
- Show a comical interaction between Baltheir and Mustadio (since apparently they are from the same ancestory) or even one upon enter Goug and Mustadio's father seeing Baltheir and realizing who he is.
-Show Baltheir attempting to loot the church and fending off the Templars.
- Show the actual backstory of Beowulf and Reis.
- Further explain Elidibus relation to the 13th stone and make byblos somehow relevant to it.
- Show Meliadoul plotting to stalk the party after her defeat in Bervenia, so when she suddenly enters the Zelera battle, it makes better sense.
- Mustadio and Balk should have a past history.
In General
- Rad, Alicia, and Lavian should have bigger roles within the plot. And if they are used in the Errands, which ever ones require you to fight, they become playable (but only if its the three of them) and they say special things in during the results of any errand. Almost like a "Misadventures of FFT" or something.
- The stones should be able to be used in battle...the results totally depending on the holder's faith level. For example, 49 and below, the holder turns into Lucavi demon and 50 and above, the holder can use the actual special abilities of the stone. Turning into a Lucavi should have consequence like, the player no longer being able to control the unit and the unit harming allies and enemies alike with its attacks. Oh and only special characters should have this ability.
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Post by: SilvasRuin on May 30, 2009, 12:16:31 pm
Post by: SilvasRuin on May 30, 2009, 12:16:31 pm
I don't think everything you're suggesting is possible. I'm certain the last two bits aren't (special characters and errands don't mix), and Ramza's default class can't be made to change by picking up a crystal. Now, he could have those abilities only learnable through picking up a crystal I think, but his base class wouldn't suddenly alter because of it. I don't think Cloud's stats can be altered temporarily unless he is removed and a guest character with higher multipliers is used in his place. I don't know how WotL did it with Beowulf, but I suspect doing so might could get messy. I don't think that many additional scenes is doable either.
Why in the world would Mustadio and Balk have a history? Because they both utilize guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
Why in the world would Mustadio and Balk have a history? Because they both utilize guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
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Post by: Pixy on May 30, 2009, 11:40:20 pm
Post by: Pixy on May 30, 2009, 11:40:20 pm
As far as I can remember, Balk was a machinist in Goug who was "blacklisted" for something...
A shady machinist that used to work with/for Besrodio? It's possible. Balk is kind of a random villain to begin with so he could have something.
A shady machinist that used to work with/for Besrodio? It's possible. Balk is kind of a random villain to begin with so he could have something.
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Post by: Zozma on May 31, 2009, 07:30:32 am
Post by: Zozma on May 31, 2009, 07:30:32 am
I don't know if i had mentioned it anywhere very clearly or not but Balk was written out of the story, which btw is pretty much established already. Tietra (who wont be burried because she doesn't die at ft zeakden will appear in the two places that balk originally did.)
in additon to that...
Cloud and Beowulf are not in it either. Special units can be sent on propositions.
Meliadoul and Izlude are swapped, you DO get Izlude and he can use the mighty sword skillset which doesn't miss monsters and unarmed humans in my patch
in additon to that...
Cloud and Beowulf are not in it either. Special units can be sent on propositions.
Meliadoul and Izlude are swapped, you DO get Izlude and he can use the mighty sword skillset which doesn't miss monsters and unarmed humans in my patch
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Post by: LastingDawn on May 31, 2009, 06:20:57 pm
Post by: LastingDawn on May 31, 2009, 06:20:57 pm
Yes, I must suggest anyone who's offering story tips to see what we've already come up with. All of Chapter 1's basically down pat, the talk of adding extra scenes is nice, but can't be done without replacing another scene. Vicks basically takes Algus's role, Algus takes Tietra's Role, Tietra takes on a brand new role, along with many other character's that join your party along the way.
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Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on June 01, 2009, 10:01:35 am
Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on June 01, 2009, 10:01:35 am
Quote from: "SilvasRuin"I don't think everything you're suggesting is possible. I'm certain the last two bits aren't (special characters and errands don't mix), and Ramza's default class can't be made to change by picking up a crystal. Now, he could have those abilities only learnable through picking up a crystal I think, but his base class wouldn't suddenly alter because of it. I don't think Cloud's stats can be altered temporarily unless he is removed and a guest character with higher multipliers is used in his place. I don't know how WotL did it with Beowulf, but I suspect doing so might could get messy. I don't think that many additional scenes is doable either.
Why in the world would Mustadio and Balk have a history? Because they both utilize guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.
I didn't mean "literally" changing it with a hacking device or anything but just things I saw in the game that would have been cooler if done differently.
Mustadio and Balk are both from Goug and yes, are both the only Machinists on the game. Drawing some type of parallel between the characters wouldn't have hurt...especially for further character development purposes.
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Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on June 01, 2009, 10:03:53 am
Post by: Zodiac_Heretic on June 01, 2009, 10:03:53 am
Quote from: "Zozma"I don't know if i had mentioned it anywhere very clearly or not but Balk was written out of the story, which btw is pretty much established already. Tietra (who wont be burried because she doesn't die at ft zeakden will appear in the two places that balk originally did.)
in additon to that...
Cloud and Beowulf are not in it either. Special units can be sent on propositions.
Meliadoul and Izlude are swapped, you DO get Izlude and he can use the mighty sword skillset which doesn't miss monsters and unarmed humans in my patch
Oh I misunderstood the thread. I thought it meant to list our own personal changes we would make to the game's plot.
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 21, 2009, 12:39:30 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 21, 2009, 12:39:30 pm
Will there be any info on ch2? I read the whole topic and I founded only ch1.
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Post by: Zozma on August 21, 2009, 05:10:42 pm
Post by: Zozma on August 21, 2009, 05:10:42 pm
chapter 2 has this involved as far as battle and story:
Dorter 2: The mercenary hired to fight you at Dorter2 is a special character who has a ring that blocks Holy and Darkness, you cant steal it or break it so you cant rely on agrias or gaffy to take her down.
Araguay Woods: The choice you make here is a drastic one and at the end of the battle you will either have the option to recruit Boco, or you wont if you made the other choice. Still, you never know, it might be worth it to take the other option further down the line. Another character is involved.
Z Falls: Okay, things seem to go normally here, however, there is an extra knight at the top of the falls with a long bow and concentrate. Not too big of a deal right? but Ovelia no longer has innate Defense up and Magic Defense up which means Gaffy will go strait for her most of the time. She is, however, well equipped and matches your party level. The battle is going to be more realistically set to get her killed so beware.
Zaland Fort City: Saving mustadio happens exactly the same way, the option you choose at the start might have a more drastic use later on.
Bariaus Hill: The leader here is Monica the Valkyrie, you may also notice that the enemies are using the hokuten palette. In this situation she is working for bart as a Mercenary but her true goal was to find Ramza, who she believes survived the Zeakden incident, and get revenge for the death of her lover Vicks. You still have to defeat all the enemies before she will teleport out.
Lionel: Agrias and Ovelia leave as usual
Zigolois Swamp: Your first encounter where there are 2 different sets of enemies. Other than the normal monsters, you will see a Purple haired squire named Miang, and A brown haired version of Miang simply named Girl. After defeating all the enemies Miang squire will crystalize and girl will teleport onto her crystal and inherit it. (that is, if i can get that scene set up right) anyway perhaps someone whos played Xenogears knows the meaning of that.
Goug: Rescuing mustadio happens the same way.
Warjilis Trade City: This is obviously the most drastic change.
Immediately after talking to Delita at the port, you go into Warjilis.
Ramza will find Rad and Alicia talking about how Lavian should have been there to meet them by now.
Instead of going to bariaus valley, first you run into another hired hand. Ignis the Arch Knight. and she's no fool either, she brought plenty of ninja, archer, and geomancer buddies with her! At the end of the battle, Ignis will run, and Alicia and Rad will leave as well saying they will keep looking for Lavian.
Bariaus Valley: Well obviously Rad and Alicia went the wrong way because Lavian is right HERE. She will act similarly to agrias here but will explain that she thinks both agrias and ovelia have been captured and that they are going to execute ovelia. The first of the four Seers is now recruitable.
Execution Site: hmmm its about the same, you dont get any new information from gaffy here either.
Lionel Gate: Its about the same here too. hmm did you choose to save boco?
Lionel Castle: the fight with the big fat ass is about the same, only ramza asks where both agrias and ovelia are. This is where you find out that only Agrias was captured and that Ovelia had no value to them. It will also mentions that Ovelia would get killed if she tried to go back.
And that pretty much does it for chapter 2
Dorter 2: The mercenary hired to fight you at Dorter2 is a special character who has a ring that blocks Holy and Darkness, you cant steal it or break it so you cant rely on agrias or gaffy to take her down.
Araguay Woods: The choice you make here is a drastic one and at the end of the battle you will either have the option to recruit Boco, or you wont if you made the other choice. Still, you never know, it might be worth it to take the other option further down the line. Another character is involved.
Z Falls: Okay, things seem to go normally here, however, there is an extra knight at the top of the falls with a long bow and concentrate. Not too big of a deal right? but Ovelia no longer has innate Defense up and Magic Defense up which means Gaffy will go strait for her most of the time. She is, however, well equipped and matches your party level. The battle is going to be more realistically set to get her killed so beware.
Zaland Fort City: Saving mustadio happens exactly the same way, the option you choose at the start might have a more drastic use later on.
Bariaus Hill: The leader here is Monica the Valkyrie, you may also notice that the enemies are using the hokuten palette. In this situation she is working for bart as a Mercenary but her true goal was to find Ramza, who she believes survived the Zeakden incident, and get revenge for the death of her lover Vicks. You still have to defeat all the enemies before she will teleport out.
Lionel: Agrias and Ovelia leave as usual
Zigolois Swamp: Your first encounter where there are 2 different sets of enemies. Other than the normal monsters, you will see a Purple haired squire named Miang, and A brown haired version of Miang simply named Girl. After defeating all the enemies Miang squire will crystalize and girl will teleport onto her crystal and inherit it. (that is, if i can get that scene set up right) anyway perhaps someone whos played Xenogears knows the meaning of that.
Goug: Rescuing mustadio happens the same way.
Warjilis Trade City: This is obviously the most drastic change.
Immediately after talking to Delita at the port, you go into Warjilis.
Ramza will find Rad and Alicia talking about how Lavian should have been there to meet them by now.
Instead of going to bariaus valley, first you run into another hired hand. Ignis the Arch Knight. and she's no fool either, she brought plenty of ninja, archer, and geomancer buddies with her! At the end of the battle, Ignis will run, and Alicia and Rad will leave as well saying they will keep looking for Lavian.
Bariaus Valley: Well obviously Rad and Alicia went the wrong way because Lavian is right HERE. She will act similarly to agrias here but will explain that she thinks both agrias and ovelia have been captured and that they are going to execute ovelia. The first of the four Seers is now recruitable.
Execution Site: hmmm its about the same, you dont get any new information from gaffy here either.
Lionel Gate: Its about the same here too. hmm did you choose to save boco?
Lionel Castle: the fight with the big fat ass is about the same, only ramza asks where both agrias and ovelia are. This is where you find out that only Agrias was captured and that Ovelia had no value to them. It will also mentions that Ovelia would get killed if she tried to go back.
And that pretty much does it for chapter 2
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Post by: Kagebunji on August 21, 2009, 06:45:02 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on August 21, 2009, 06:45:02 pm
Cool, I cannot wait for this patch, good luck with it!
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Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 08:34:09 pm
Post by: mav on August 21, 2009, 08:34:09 pm
Fucking awesome. Keep it at, Zozma--this sounds extremely interesting.
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Zozma on May 14, 2010, 10:30:10 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 14, 2010, 10:30:10 pm
the story itself is completely on hold for the time being.
all event battles are being worked on to go along with whatever is supposed to be happening storywise.
but the events themselves are completely on hold. in fact i may never get to them for all i know, tho someone with a lot of patience is welcome to work on them. i wont be.
at the very least, the game will have some very very difficult battles all the way up until the end, even with powerful characters on your side by chapter four
all event battles are being worked on to go along with whatever is supposed to be happening storywise.
but the events themselves are completely on hold. in fact i may never get to them for all i know, tho someone with a lot of patience is welcome to work on them. i wont be.
at the very least, the game will have some very very difficult battles all the way up until the end, even with powerful characters on your side by chapter four
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: jimmyjw88 on May 15, 2010, 03:18:28 am
Post by: jimmyjw88 on May 15, 2010, 03:18:28 am
This is seriously freaking sweet, Sir Zozma. Can't wait for this.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: SilvasRuin on May 15, 2010, 04:03:10 am
Post by: SilvasRuin on May 15, 2010, 04:03:10 am
Hm... I hope you get those editor issues cleared up, as I assume that's what is getting you to hold off on continuing.
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Kagebunji on May 15, 2010, 07:02:35 am
Post by: Kagebunji on May 15, 2010, 07:02:35 am
I wondered about Agrias's sprite as princess. You have something in stock?
And I hope this will get finished, one of best projects I saw.
And I hope this will get finished, one of best projects I saw.
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Zozma on May 15, 2010, 03:48:34 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 15, 2010, 03:48:34 pm
i dont have a sprite for her princess thing, unfortunately i don't intend to make one at this point.
Instead there will be a character posing as Ovelia using magic to create the illusion of ovelia.
this person is none other than the assassin Lede, if you recall i had a holy knight sprite made for her.
this all really is a very convenient way of not changing the sprite at all
Instead there will be a character posing as Ovelia using magic to create the illusion of ovelia.
this person is none other than the assassin Lede, if you recall i had a holy knight sprite made for her.
this all really is a very convenient way of not changing the sprite at all
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Kagebunji on May 15, 2010, 05:29:07 pm
Post by: Kagebunji on May 15, 2010, 05:29:07 pm
Heh, very clever. Well, whatever you do, it will be awesome. If you need help with anything, PM me, I really like this patch, heh.
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Zozma on May 15, 2010, 09:01:17 pm
Post by: Zozma on May 15, 2010, 09:01:17 pm
well, i wont be working on the special scenes, but if anyone is interested in tackling one be my guest lol...
Title: Re: Story Discussion
Post by: Cheetah on May 15, 2010, 10:32:17 pm
Post by: Cheetah on May 15, 2010, 10:32:17 pm
Quote from: "Zozma"well, i wont be working on the special scenes, but if anyone is interested in tackling one be my guest lol...
If you are serious about getting this project done and want some help, then make some formal requests. Make a topic about what you need help with and see what happens.