Possible anti-demi solution for zodiacs

[Kharan]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking here for quite a while, and finally got around to my first post. With that out of the way, I thought of a way to neutralize Demi, Demi 2 and Life Drain for zodiac beasts. You see, by making these spells reflectable, giving innate reflect to Lucavi, and removing the spell Reflect/all reflecting equipment (and also changing all normally reflectable spells) it should be possible to cancel them (well, for now only in paper). It *would* require you to sacrifice a perfectly worthless and rarely used spell and effect, but I believe the benefits outweigh the costs. Furthermore, it'd make a long forgotten and despised accessory like the Cherche (that's the reflecting perfume, right?) very useful: you'd simply rebound the spell onto the zodiac beast (provided, of course, that you keep it as it is). It would still take a lot of skill and effort, but personally, I find that it´s yet another reason to try this idea. I'd test it myself, but I've got no savestates to try it (and no particular reason to disable those spells, which, BTW, are the only ways to survive for TM's and Oracles in SCC Lucavi battles).

[Austin]

I found it easier to just make the demi type spells dark elemental and make the zodiac beasts immune to that particular element. Reflect's a good status effect that I use pretty often when I have a time mage so I wouldn't want to limit it like that, but I'm pretty sure your idea would work if you wanted to go through with it.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

[Lydyn]

That actually gives me the idea of making Life Drain Wind & Dark, just for the purposes of canceling it for Zodiacs (I made them immune to wind).

[Austin]

You may want to do the same with the summon spell lich too if you're looking to prevent demi-type spells from being used on them.

[Lydyn]

Nice catch, thanks!

[Kharan]

I had forgotten that... still, I prefer the reflect idea, mostly because I have fiddled quite a bit with the Dark/Holy elements, and such a change might defeat the purpose. What I really like about the reflect solution is the fact that, if you're unaware, it can end up harming your own units. Anyway, I'll keep that in mind.

[Zozma]

it really does seem most fitting to just make demi darkness elemental, with the zodiac beasts being evil anyway, plus it would create a challenge making the undead immune as well.

[Xifanie]

life drain ain't affect by elementals, no?

[BlackMageShin]

^Yeah, it's not.

Demi type spells are easy to fix but there's no good solution for draining spells. Lowering the drain ratio helps but they become near useless against regular enemies.

[Lydyn]

I think messing with elementals does have an effect, but it's far from canceling the effects of drain all together. I never liked the Oracle Class much anyways.

[Vanya]

I think I have a solution. If we were to give Demi type spells a cancel status effect like oils for example. And made all zodiac jobs immune to it then the spells would only work if they had said status. Thus they would never work on any unit that is immune to said status. The only snag is that we would have to give every other unit the same status as a permanent effect. So we'd need a status effect that has no visible effect and no affect on game play.

Edit:It might also work the other way around if demi were given an all-or-nothing status effect. I'll test both to see what happens.

Edit: forget it. didn't work at all. The strange thing is that I made a skill called First aid that cancels critical status and restore 20% HP and it only works if the target is in critical status.

Edit: Making Demi an element and then giving a unit immunity to that eliment effectively negates the spell. But, didn't work for absorbing skills.