Projects => New Project Ideas => Topic started by: Dome on July 15, 2012, 12:17:53 pm
Title: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 15, 2012, 12:17:53 pm
What would you guys think about a small patch that shows what happens between chapter 1-2? What happens after Ramza survives the explosion and how he meets Rad & Gaffy? No big edits to the jobs/Skills, just some pre-set fight and some event Maybe it could be played from another character's perspective, like Gaffy or Rad...
Would you like to see/play it? Y/N
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Joseph Strife on July 15, 2012, 05:24:49 pm
Mercenaries were supposed to be something similar to this no?
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 15, 2012, 05:34:25 pm
Yes, but also wanted to change a lot of stuff (Jobs, skills, story) What I'm proposing here is just something that...fills the gap between Ch1 and 2 A very simple, small patch
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Joseph Strife on July 15, 2012, 06:30:39 pm
Oh, i see, well, might be fun if just balance the game and come up with a good story, i would play.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Neophyte Ronin on July 16, 2012, 03:29:55 am
You mean retool the Plus release to accommodate a soiree that takes place between Chapters 1 and 2? I'm game. I'm guessing you'll either have Ramza and Rad, led by a playable Gafgarion, or Delita first associating with both Zeltennia's leaders and the Church's?
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 16, 2012, 03:48:00 am
Aww, you busted me...guess I can't hide my ideas too well after all xD Yes, since there are many free slots to make new events, my idea was to add some custom event that "explored" the blurry parts of the story (Like what happens between ch1 and 2, implement the fights with Delita from the PSP version, the rematch with Algus maybe, etc etc...)
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on July 16, 2012, 03:50:07 am
There's SOME space, but you won't get a Chapter's worth of events (which is basically what you'd need to make this idea not suck) unless you maul the Tutorial and a number of other things. Luckily, the "other things" are unimportant and will mostly just lead to your TEST.EVT looking kinda derpy, but it'll squeeze a small handful of events out.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 16, 2012, 03:57:33 am
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Cheetah on July 16, 2012, 11:22:20 am
This is basically Mercenaries, but that patch was so popular because it was a great idea and it is dead so it is fine to base a new patch off the same idea. But this would not be a "small patch". Anything with new story, events, and such gets very very big very quickly.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 16, 2012, 12:03:58 pm
Big projects almost never see the light of the day, better think small, sadly :-(
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: skiploom188 on July 16, 2012, 11:33:48 pm
Pentium 4. So yeah, sorry. It's more of my problem. Maybe I won't be able to play it when it's done. (I said maybe)
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on July 16, 2012, 11:57:56 pm
ePSXe also sucks because it doesn't accurately emulate a PSX. The reasons some patches ONLY work on ePSXe is because its "better" than a PS1. If your patch ONLY runs on ePSXe, it was probably put together with shoddy and buggy ASM you're better off fixing or not using anyway.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: The Damned on July 17, 2012, 12:36:53 am
(*notes this about ePSXe*)
As for the patch itself, a mini-Mercenaries would be most welcome, especially since it would be a lot more feasible than most patches currently in the works, including my own.
Of course, after that obvious fact is dealt with, there are still questions that would arise that your initial post doesn't hint at one way or the other:
1. Would this game otherwise be based on vanilla mechanics & classes? Plus mechanics & classes? Mechanics & classes made up solely for Chapter 1.5?
2. Given the three party nature of Mercenaries, which it has already been compared to a couple of times, how are you planning on handling the party system and generics? Will there be any generics (despite the fact that Gafgarion canonically had other men and possibly women)?
3. Similarly, how are you planning on handling the job wheel, especially given Gafgarion is a special class (Dark Knight)? If Rod Rad & Ramza are "technically" a special characters themselves even if Ramza's a glorified Squire and Rad isn't even a glorified version of that? If you only have those three characters?
Aside from that, I'll throw my weighty--ha!--support behind this, but I must admit, I'd rather you stay away from how Delita survived even if you have events left over for it after cannibalizing poor Darlavon's ignored tutorials. (Monster.)
I like the "mystery" of how Delita survived and it's obvious enough (especially in hindsight) that he's (probably) lying when he talks to Goltana about being or ever having been part of the wiped out Black Sheep squadron. That might just be me though. Shrug.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on July 17, 2012, 01:04:40 am
It sounds like he just wants to shove this in as bonus content for FFT:Plus, The Damned. He kinda already said that rather specifically after Neophyte Ronin called his obvious ruse.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: The Damned on July 17, 2012, 01:19:03 am
(Ugh, my ear. So annoying....)
Yes, I am aware. I just want clarification one way or the other, especially since technically it would be "less" work to leave vanilla mechanics--within "reason"--and just focus on the story reorganization.
So, yeah, basically I want an explicit confession than an implicit one, including whether this would be separate from Plus and its own patch (even if still related to Plus) or within Plus itself.
Still, even if it's as bonus material for Plus only, it's a good idea.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 17, 2012, 02:28:31 am
1)I think that a small patch that shows what happens between ch1 and 2 would be a good idea. No story change at the beginning of Ch2, no Ramza that follows the Dark side, no altered jobs/abilities. Simply what happens between Ch1 and 2, even if it's just 2 events and 1 battle
- Zalbag reports to Dycedarg what happened at fort Zeakden - Dycedarg says to Gaffy: "He is my half-brother, save him, he might come in handy in the future - Gaffy & Rad "save" Ramza from a fake ambush. 3 (Ramza Rad Gaff) Vs 5 preset battle - Ramza reveals himself as a Beoulve to Gaffy, who says: "You shouldn't throw that name around like it's no one business. Follow me, your swordmanship might be helpful and in exchange I'll help you hide from your brothers)
2) Yes, I'd like to put this in plus as a bonus content. BUT, I don't know if the people will like the idea AND how much space it would take to be a nice extra. That's why I opened this topic If the idea is too big to be put in plus, it could become a nice patch on it's own
If you guys like the idea A LOT, since there are many little "gaps" in the story (How Delita becomes a holy knight? How Elmdor becomes a lucavi? What about Wiegraf? Etc etc..) a "story-focused" patch that shows what happens to those characters as well would be nice
What I'm thinking about is a patch with pre-set battles that explores the dark points of the plot, each time focusing on a different character (And come on, you know that you WANT to play as a bad guy and roflstomp some stupid NPC, at least once)
Guess how I'd call a patch that does this? FFT: Fill the gap :-)
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Neophyte Ronin on July 17, 2012, 12:15:43 pm
That stupid example almost sounds doable.
Zalbag reports, wincing in that Dycedarg is less concerned about Teta's death (Zalbag wanted Algus, thought to be a crack marksman, to nail Levine in the head, over her shoulder, but Algus took advantage of his position to spite Delita) and more that the body of Wiglaf was never recovered. He winces more when the former head of Touten Knights (Knights of the East Sky, or Knights Vulturnus--a fitting moniker, coming from Gafgarion) arrives and bows to his brother. He is put off by both men and is pleased when he takes his leave. Dycedarg secretly requests that Gafgarion hunt down Ramza for turning against the North Sky.
Having lost his friends and betrayed the company his brothers are running aground, Ramza looks over the cliffs and contemplates suicide at the rocky bluffs of Fovoham Plains. Then he sees the illusion of a beautiful woman, say a Dancer or maybe Reis, when they teleport and turn into Pisco Demons and Mind Flayers, or that other kinds of monsters simply appear. This is where Gafgarion and his squire Rad show up to equalize the playing field.
Having saved the day, Rad (if a Red Mage) introduces himself and Gafgarion, who hates to rescue people if no money is involved. Ramza introduces himself and Gafgarion lightens up. When he discovers Ramza is depressed over what happened, he offers (with uncharacteristic sympathy) a position in his dispatch agency, to get himself back on his feet. Ramza accepts after Gafgarion and Rad promise not to reveal his name to others. Going an extra step further; he settles on his mother's maiden name, which is nowhere near as prominent as her husband's. Ramza has no clue that Gafgarion already knows who he is, while Rad is unaware that he does; the two kids seem to hit it off.
If it was confined to a patch that did Plus and just this, that would be cool.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 17, 2012, 12:29:15 pm
Just tossing some random events that (as far as I remember) are never shown and in which way they could be played
- How Elmdor was captured (You can play as the thieves) - Zalbag fight after he leaves fort Zeakden (You use Zalbag against the enemies & Wiegraf) - Gap between CH1 and 2 - How Elmdor & Wiegraf joined the Zodiacs (You play as Elmdor and Wiegraf) - How Delita becomes a holy knight (Play as Delita) - Something about Elidibs and how he got his stone (Using Elidibs would be cool)
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: The Damned on July 20, 2012, 06:07:15 am
(Damn it. It had meant to respond to this as soon as I saw it.)
Er, I'd personally just stick to the "gap" between Ch. 1 and Ch. 2 and fleshing that out to your desires rather than trying to explain literally everything that we don't see on-screen with regards to the main story.
Or are you just planning to fill that gap with that one fight?
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 20, 2012, 06:27:09 am
I have no serious plans in mind at the moment, I just wanted to share this idea with the forum XD
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Kagebunji on July 20, 2012, 08:07:04 am
I like a patch that would show all about characters like Wiegraf, Delita etc. It could be really interesting. Though in WoTL, it is explained how Wiegraf joined the church, there is an event about it after Golgorand IIRC. Overall, I like this idea.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Neophyte Ronin on July 21, 2012, 12:20:49 pm
The event happened after the fight at the gallows? I figured Boco, as Wiglaf's prior steed, was used to bait goblins into blockading Agrias' pursuit of Ovelia, that he had been recruited into the Templar's fold already. Then again, I subscribe to the original Tactics and not the reissue. The sight of Wiglaf again at Orbonne is pretty much a surprise in the original game.
Anyway, I was inspired to plot out an event-by-event sketch of Delita's entry into the Blackram fold, his capture of Ovelia, and the battle at Zirekile where he sees Ramza again. I'm of the group who think Delita was made a double agent of the church after he had already met the Baron of Blackram and learned well enough of goings-on to take advantage of everything.
In a delicious fanon bit, the Baron grooms this survivor of the snowy wastes of Zeakden into something of a "Manchurian Candidate". I leave it open as to whether or not he perished in battle with the Evil Eye, but he alludes to switching out the bodies, so his body is never truly recovered.
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Smitson on July 23, 2012, 04:05:11 pm
- How Elmdor was captured (You can play as the thieves) - Zalbag fight after he leaves fort Zeakden (You use Zalbag against the enemies & Wiegraf) - Gap between CH1 and 2 - How Elmdor & Wiegraf joined the Zodiacs (You play as Elmdor and Wiegraf) - How Delita becomes a holy knight (Play as Delita) - Something about Elidibs and how he got his stone (Using Elidibs would be cool) [/quote]
This is already getting bigger and bigger... it'll turn into a full blown patch and you know it ;).
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: The Damned on July 23, 2012, 05:17:23 pm
(Ugh. So behind....)
This turning into a full blown patch within Plus is kinda why I suggested Dome try to stick with just "Chapter 1.5", especially since it's not like he has an infinite amount of event space.
Quote from: Kagebunji on July 20, 2012, 08:07:04 am I like a patch that would show all about characters like Wiegraf, Delita etc. It could be really interesting. Though in WoTL, it is explained how Wiegraf joined the church, there is an event about it after Golgorand IIRC. Overall, I like this idea.
Hunh. Really? That's interesting.
I really need to do (event) research into War of the Lions considering I've yet to play and I've been really lazy about events in general thus far....
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Dome on July 23, 2012, 06:08:12 pm
I doubt I'll implement so much stuff in Plus, this would probably work better as a patch on it's own
Title: Re: FFT: Fill the gap
Post by: Jon on August 03, 2012, 07:07:04 pm
Sorry for backtracking but I just saw this and got interested instantly. Quote from Dome at the start of this topic:
QuoteWhat would you guys think about a small patch that shows what happens between chapter 1-2? What happens after Ramza survives the explosion and how he meets Rad & Gaffy? No big edits to the jobs/Skills, just some pre-set fight and some event Maybe it could be played from another character's perspective, like Gaffy or Rad...
Would you like to see/play it? Y/N
A few random rambles on this from me:
- Make it one or at absolute tops two chapters long (if you even have "chapters") - Try to stay as true to FFT as possible, don't throw in a bunch of random new special characters that make no sense and don't add depth to the original story, in fact don't add new special characters at all except enemies - How in the hell did 3 mercenaries get into the Royal Guard for Princess Ovelia? Answer this question please and why they would even bother - Use unused maps if you wanna spice stuff up like the unused Warjilis Trade City map, etc - If you write a script for this, post it, let people see it and correct spelling or plot mistakes, etc, I think a lot more people would get interested in this (have polls for everything and don't make snap decisions just because something sounds "cool", it probably might make no sense and people should vote imho) - Don't name it "Fill the Gap"
This sounds like a solid patch idea, I think it should still be seen from Ramza's perspective but that's just me. If you need a bug hunter and tester, I'll volunteer, hell my job irl is QA. Good luck with this! :mrgreen: