Final Fantasy Hacktics

Apparently this time I'm banned for telling Hana things he / she doesn't like to hear on chat. I got an e-mail from Zodiac telling me that I am banned for 4 weeks because I harassed a "member of FFH on chat" because I told Hana that the best move someone in his / her position could make was to get a college degree. (Hana was posting about her life being miserable and depending on other people, and I kept insisting that the best move she / he could make was to get a loan and go to college. Chat logs can confirm this.) I disagreed with someone who is a Transgender and hurt his / her feelings. Surely, that deserves a ban, right?

The first time i was banned from this site, it was well deserved, because I deleted people's work to attack R999 without taking into consideration the work others put in. But this time, it's the admin taking preference on someone who is a fellow trans-gender (Hana) and lashing out on anyone that might say anything Hana doesn't find pleasant.

If people start getting banned on this site BECAUSE OF CHAT HARASSMENT, half the member list would be banned by now. Asmo would have been banned FOR LIFE if equal treatment was applied to all regarding this new rule (which apparently only applies if you piss off another Trans-gender.) So a warning before I leave: don't say anything bad to Hana, or anyone Transgendered because Zodiac is a TG too now, and will take it personally and WILL lash out at you. Yes, even if it's on chat.

@ Kokojo! I am sorry for doubting you Kokojo, you were 100% right. Zodiac is going through some crazy hormonal shit right now and is going insane. If the first time I got banned wasn't my cue to leave, this is definitely it. However, this time I am 1000% positive that it's not warranted, and now I REALLY harbor no regret or desire to come back and contribute.

Quote from: "Kokojo"Also, since the last video update, I seriously wanted to quit FFH for the last few days, because our admin is an hypocrit, now a attention whore, and having apparent seizures of moods, and this community is not advancing.

@ Everyone else, enjoy the stuff I did here, I know 1.3 gave many people a lot of joy with this game. Warm farewell to everyone who helped make 1.3 what it has become so far and the intelligent ones out there (You know who you are!)

@ Zodiac: This time you're letting your own personal feelings (particularly, your unreasonable shielding for a member who doesn't even contribute SIMPLY BECAUSE he / she / it is a Transgender) get in the way of a ban decision, and for me, THAT is unacceptable. It's blatantly obvious that if it had been ANYONE ELSE besides Hana getting told on Chat, no ban whatsoever would have taken place. I never had anything against you personally, but this is just a demonstration of the way FFH is going, and Kokojo was right, it's going nowhere fast. Because of that, I'm removing any and all KOI files I was working on, any 1.3 content, and I am taking down the Youtube FinalFantasyHacktics channel which I made in the first place.

Find someone else to promote your site for you, because I'm done, and it's pretty clear you have hold zero gratitude for it, because the moment someone says something on chat which a transgender might not like, it automatically means nothing for you.

I hope your transformation into a woman is worth it Zodiac, because today it cost you a friend and someone who literally made it his goal to see your site grow.

- Voldemort

/sigh all good things ....

Quoteand I am taking down the Youtube FinalFantasyHacktics channel which I made in the first place.

Let us salvage s4 at least -_-

(ps - without your permission I'll maintain 13034.  Please understand)

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But now that that's out of the way...

Hate to see you go old friend, but alas.  Happy trails

Quote from: "philsov"Hate to see you go old friend, but alas.  Happy trails :)

You are one of the smartest / funniest people around here. A pleasure to have worked with you.

Quote from: "philsov"(ps - without your permission I'll maintain 13034.  Please understand)

Not needed, 1.3 already has a new home. I quit FFH, not 1.3.

Later. Hopefully, this section won't become a mess.

Honestly ... I was there during the chat. I do not agree banning him from the community.

There are more effective ways to handle this situation. It was a discussion between Arch and Hana. Not Arch and the community.

Quote from: "Voldemort2"Apparently this time I'm banned for telling Hana things he / she doesn't like to hear on chat. I got an e-mail from Zodiac telling me that I am banned for 4 weeks because I harassed a "member of FFH on chat" because I told Hana that the best move someone in his / her position could make was to get a college degree. (Hana was posting about her life being miserable and depending on other people, and I kept insisting that the best move she / he could make was to get a loan and go to college. Chat logs can confirm this.) I disagreed with someone who is a Transgender and hurt his / her feelings. Surely, that deserves a ban, right?

The first time i was banned from this site, it was well deserved, because I deleted people's work to attack R999 without taking into consideration the work others put in. But this time, it's the admin taking preference on someone who is a fellow trans-gender (Hana) and lashing out on anyone that might say anything Hana doesn't find pleasant.

If people start getting banned on this site BECAUSE OF CHAT HARASSMENT, half the member list would be banned by now. Asmo would have been banned FOR LIFE if equal treatment was applied to all regarding this new rule (which apparently only applies if you piss off another Trans-gender.) So a warning before I leave: don't say anything bad to Hana, or anyone Transgendered because Zodiac is a TG too now, and will take it personally and WILL lash out at you. Yes, even if it's on chat.

@ Kokojo! I am sorry for doubting you Kokojo, you were 100% right. Zodiac is going through some crazy hormonal shit right now and is going insane. If the first time I got banned wasn't my cue to leave, this is definitely it. However, this time I am 1000% positive that it's not warranted, and now I REALLY harbor no regret or desire to come back and contribute.

Quote from: "Kokojo"Also, since the last video update, I seriously wanted to quit FFH for the last few days, because our admin is an hypocrit, now a attention whore, and having apparent seizures of moods, and this community is not advancing.

@ Everyone else, enjoy the stuff I did here, I know 1.3 gave many people a lot of joy with this game. Warm farewell to everyone who helped make 1.3 what it has become so far and the intelligent ones out there (You know who you are!)

@ Zodiac: This time you're letting your own personal feelings (particularly, your unreasonable shielding for a member who doesn't even contribute SIMPLY BECAUSE he / she / it is a Transgender) get in the way of a ban decision, and for me, THAT is unacceptable. It's blatantly obvious that if it had been ANYONE ELSE besides Hana getting told on Chat, no ban whatsoever would have taken place. I never had anything against you personally, but this is just a demonstration of the way FFH is going, and Kokojo was right, it's going nowhere fast. Because of that, I'm removing any and all KOI files I was working on, any 1.3 content, and I am taking down the Youtube FinalFantasyHacktics channel which I made in the first place.

Find someone else to promote your site for you, because I'm done, and it's pretty clear you have hold zero gratitude for it, because the moment someone says something on chat which a transgender might not like, it automatically means nothing for you.

I hope your transformation into a woman is worth it Zodiac, because today it cost you a friend and someone who literally made it his goal to see your site grow.

- Voldemort

What can I say? I pretty much agree with everything you just said(with the exception of the asmo thing). I don't have any rebuttle as to why you should stay.

You could have done without deleting the whole tourney, as that is more detrimental to the community than zodiac, but its hard to look at this and not smell the bullshit reeking upon the situation.

I think ill wait a while to visit the site till all this drama pans out, way too stressful for a game community.

peace out girl scouts <3

Would it be kosher if I posted 13034 for you, Phil? Or would Arch object to that?

QuoteNot needed, 1.3 already has a new home. I quit FFH, not 1.3.

Where is this new home?

http://www.insanelyderpy.com (http://www.insanelyderpy.com)

I'll make a video on my Youtube channel (Voldemort7) when the site is operational. The site won't be anything like FFH (and perhaps that is a good thing for some of you). 1.3 and future versions by me will be hosted there. As for this site, all I can say is, it's gone to shit, and I won't miss it. Kokojo was right all along.

cool. fitting title too.

Let's set things straight, shall we?

First of all, it was me who brought your rant the other night to Zodiac's attention. Not Hana, not anybody else. It was me. Zodiac reviewed the log and came to the conclusion that what you had said to Hana, and how you acted to others was out of bounds.

For those who don't know, the argument was about Hana's personal, real-life issue. Voldemort decide he would lend his advice, which was rather... out of touch. Without going into detail, he suggested that the only solution for Hana's problem was going to college, which, as anyone can tell you, isn't always the right solution for certain problems.

From there, I stated my disagreement, and I proceeded to state why. The argument continued, with Arch continuing to rant, while disregarding the views of others. During the conversation, he called Hana a dumbass, and proceeded to say that we who disagreed were in fact out of touch. Now, for those of you who've had periods of struggle in their life will know that during that time is not a time to be called a dumbass, or to be ranted on. Hana simply asked for advice for her friends, and she got Arch's harassment instead. Even after asking for him to stop, Arch continued raiding on her until eventually she had to set him to Ignore.

From there, Arch continued his ranting to the rest of us. I'm normally very calm-headed, but even I had to leave. Suffice to say, he was pissing everyone in #FFH off that night with his views. Arch is more than entitled to his own views and opinions, but there's a line to be drawn when they're shoved down your throat in a very rude manner.

I admit, I too got very heated during that time and said rather disrespectful things to Arch, which were unmerited, which is why I chose to leave the chat room for a while. I apolgize for what I said, but not for reporting you to Zodiac. Zodiac isn't on IRC all the time, so she isn't able to catch every argument that happens.

The morning later, I told Zodiac about the incident. From there, Zodiac reviewed the logs and, as stated above, came to the conclusion that Arch was out of line with how he was acting on IRC. From there, Zodiac proceeded to poll other FFH members about the incident, and asked what had happened. From there, Zodiac decided that the best decision was to temporarily ban Arch.

TO BE CLEAR, ARCH WAS ONLY TEMPORARILY BANNED. HE CHOSE TO LEAVE.

It's a shame that Arch decided to delete all these files, but if anything that should prove just how little he cares about the site as opposed to his own pride. That said, Arch, if you have anyone to complain to, it's not Zodiac. It's me. Leave the transgenderism out of this, it's irrelevant. Be a man and take responsibility for your own actions.

I ask everyone to look beyond this ban and move on. We can continue to work, or we can let this stall FFH further. It's up to us to keep things moving, with or without Voldemort.

I am sorry to hear that you are going Arch.  It was your videos on youtube that brought me to FFHacktics, and to 1.3, and I am very much grateful for that.  I hope that you can have fun in life, and continue on.  

Also... I suppose this means the end of Season 4 of the AI Tournament, since all of the videos were on that account.  Well, Kokojo wasn't feeling to happy with the FFH community either, so he may have quit soon enough anyway.

Peace Out Voldemort, hope to talk to you again someday.

Don't want to say what I think since I have no idea what will get me banned here. I only came here for 1.3 / AI Tourneys and I hate to see this sort of thing happening.

Thanks for all your work Arch, looking forward to your site and uhm... better not say anything else right now...

If I was banned, I wouldn't make a big song and dance about it. Have some dignity.

Jesus. Like, 2 or 3 people actually agree with this banning. Just take it on the chin, come back later and stop acting like a fucking crybaby. Who gives a shit about any ban, let alone a temp.

I second what Asmo said.

I'll go where 1.3 goes.  It's the only reason I came to this site.

Even if Arch didn't leave, I think I still would.  Ever since I came here there has been drama getting in the way.  None of which I care about nor am a part of.



Peace <3

Let's just hope for the best here because if drama continues to build, there's nothing this community can accomplish. This goes without saying that i may not have been there when that incident happened but i do know drama when it happens and it doesn't solve any problems at all.

You did promote FFH with your channel, yeah. But all we got from this promoting were players and noobs, that were asking how to play 1.3, I dunno if any spriter or hacker came cause of that. Not contribution at all, since those noobs were asking and nothing else, saying that "site grew" is true, but what we got from that growing were noobs. I never gave much fuck about 1.3, because it was just a hard mode. And deleting all your stuff because of that...fuckin immature man. If I were banned, I would leave my sprites, not delete them. I still have all your picture of job ideas from KoI saved, but since I am not that kind of bitch, I will keep it to myself, since I liked you back then.

What the fuck is this doing in 1.3?

Quote from: "Voldemort2"http://www.insanelyderpy.com

I'll make a video on my Youtube channel (Voldemort7) when the site is operational. The site won't be anything like FFH (and perhaps that is a good thing for some of you). 1.3 and future versions by me will be hosted there. As for this site, all I can say is, it's gone to shit, and I won't miss it. Kokojo was right all along.

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As it stands arch, you've spent more time talking about quitting than actually quitting.

Funny how everyone liked Arch until he started insulting Zodiac.

As what I have to say, I stand my ground, but I have things to add :

Your argument to Hana ''Go to college & get a loan'' was fucking stupid, as you know most people won't have a loan in america, as well as your ''Deleting everything I think I made''.
Maybe you started the channel, but I was the one with over 20hours of uploading just for this tournament you supported and ''Wanted get done''.

I understand the furor, yes, Zodiac overeacted too by getting you a ban rahter than saying: ''Don't use those arguments ever again, you moron''. It is maybe likely because Hana is a TG too that you a higher , but I can't be sure of that. (I do however think so)

Still, your actions penalise more the whole community rather than Zodiac himself, so you should have say : ''Fuck you ALL'' and not just ''fuck zodiac!''

Meh, still. I told you your second stay would not be long, I told everyone you would destroy stuff again ; and you did.

Now don't think that, like you, I am saying ''you suck'' in big letters and stupid arguments and quotefesting all the shit you could say, no.
I am dissapoint.
 (But not just by you!)

Noooooooooooo NOT AGAIN DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!! =( Don't leave Arch!

This was pretty stupid or both parts Arch and Zodiac.

Only things that I am angry at Arch are.
1. Not finishing master guide (You fucking left while you were updating , SO FUCK YOU ARCH!)(was angry at him even before he left since he was lazy bastard of master guide topic)
2. WTF!! you just deleted channel? WHY? That's like if Steam stop and just leave and removing all the games that steam exclusive!
3. Your stupid ass reason that you left.

Deleting the channel out of rage was pretty fucking dumb, yeah. Kokojo was on Arch's side for this, so he deletes all of Kokojo's and everyone else's hard work. Some videos are now permanently missing, like Wiz's losers bracket matches. Hopefully, Kokojo can reupload them over time.

Quote@ Everyone else, enjoy the stuff I did here, I know 1.3 gave many people a lot of joy with this game. Warm farewell to everyone who helped make 1.3 what it has become so far and the intelligent ones out there (You know who you are!)

Yep, enjoy what you deleted. PSP players are so lucky that you didn't delete all the locations where you put the patches, otherwise there wouldn't be a patch for them to even play anymore.

I don't have a copy of any of my loser, S4 videos. I might have a few actually, not sure.

Voldemort, you started to respect me towards the end, and I respect that.

I don't appreciate the deleting of the youtube channel, since the videos I made took quite a while (Had some difficulties with some things, and spent hours of work on them. Ask wiz).

You tried many times to get hacktacticsadvance a forum here and I appreciate that also. But then again, you never joined my site. Once I showed you all our work (The data crystal place), you said "Is there any way you could put a 1.3 link on there?" That was the only thing I didn't get.  

Otherwise, I'm sorry that you are leaving. I wish you wouldn't. Since I thought we were becoming friends (Need some clarification on that though).

~FFTA707

can't we all just be friends ;-;

Quote from: "ffta707"I don't have a copy of any of my loser, S4 videos. I might have a few actually, not sure.

Voldemort, you started to respect me towards the end, and I respect that.

I don't appreciate the deleting of the youtube channel, since the videos I made took quite a while (Had some difficulties with some things, and spent hours of work on them. Ask wiz).

You tried many times to get hacktacticsadvance a forum here and I appreciate that also. But then again, you never joined my site. Once I showed you all our work (The data crystal place), you said "Is there any way you could put a 1.3 link on there?" That was the only thing I didn't get.

Otherwise, I'm sorry that you are leaving. I wish you wouldn't. Since I thought we were becoming friends (Need some clarification on that though).

~FFTA707

Don't worry, FFTA707, everything will work out in the end.  Arch and people will stop fighting and we'll all have our lovely tournament running again.

(P.S. I'm interested in this site of yours!)

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Quote from: "ffta707"I don't have a copy of any of my loser, S4 videos. I might have a few actually, not sure.

Voldemort, you started to respect me towards the end, and I respect that.

I don't appreciate the deleting of the youtube channel, since the videos I made took quite a while (Had some difficulties with some things, and spent hours of work on them. Ask wiz).

You tried many times to get hacktacticsadvance a forum here and I appreciate that also. But then again, you never joined my site. Once I showed you all our work (The data crystal place), you said "Is there any way you could put a 1.3 link on there?" That was the only thing I didn't get.

Otherwise, I'm sorry that you are leaving. I wish you wouldn't. Since I thought we were becoming friends (Need some clarification on that though).

~FFTA707

Don't worry, FFTA707, everything will work out in the end.  Arch and people will stop fighting and we'll all have our lovely tournament running again.

(P.S. I'm interested in this site of yours!)

Haha, thanks. It might end up moving here later on. hacktacticsadvance.tk.

What the fuck? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

Yeah Wizzy, they come here and play FFT, and what else other they do? From such promoting site grows indeed, but all we get are more and more players. And only one on100 or something makes something more. So don't say such shit, cause I never saw some of the users that post here, simply because they don't take their ass out of 1.3 section and just play 1.3. Thanks.

What else besides playing the game?

Quotegive help/tips on the next version or w.e. the topic may be here (1.3 Forum)

What Shit? The fact that most newbies as you noted stay buckled here in the 1.3 Forum?

To answer those questions with a question. So what? Why does it matter to you how others help out here on FFH?

If you think it's just a hard mode that's been well-covered by many which has not much more to talk about, that's fine but don't put others in the shadow and shun them because they don't contribute as much as you do.

A contribution is a contribution, just leave it at that. You go about your business (spriting) and everyone else will go about theirs.

I said what I think about it and I know I am right, I know it seems like I have ego now, but that is how it is, no denying it. You must see this too Wizzy. 1.3 is purely fun, updating it and all this IS a contribution, but that is made by certain persons. I never offended anybody, or put anyone in the shadow as you said. And playing 1.3(wich most of new members coming from youtube do) is NOT contributing,  testers and recorders are contributing, like PX, Samu etc.

Someone can move this to spam?
I can't make a proper post here...

Sorry Kage, but your not seeing the big picture here. The 80% of the purpose behind making a patch, hack, mod, whatever is so people besides the creators will play it. And those people are going to have questions and want help with what has been produced. Its stupid to think otherwise.

What I'm hearing is that you want to make mods, and just throw them out there, and not provide any support to the rank and file that dont know shit about the mod at all. Were not Dell computers here. We dont sell someone a crappy laptop and then never talk to them again.

How are we going to bring new talent in, if not through advertising already finished, or near finished mods. How many here didnt know crap about modding FFT until the visited the site? How many are now either involved with, or have started their own mod here because they were brought in by 1.3.

So what if only 1 in 100 actually go on to produce and/or help with mods? Thats one more person than you had before. How else are you going to get more people here than by advertising an already finished project? This is how a modding community works! Go check out the mod community for EVNova. Weve been modding that game for over eight years now and the community is still going! Were still putting out new mods! And yes, 90% of the people who visit and talk in the forums dont "produce".

The short version: Without consumers, there's no point to producers.

This whole situation is really dumb.  I won't go into my thoughts here though since there's already enough dramallama going on.  If anyone wants them they can contact me privately, though I doubt anyone who doesn't already know them does.

Quote from: "StarScythe"Sorry Kage, but your not seeing the big picture here. The 80% of the purpose behind making a patch, hack, mod, whatever is so people besides the creators will play it. And those people are going to have questions and want help with what has been produced. Its stupid to think otherwise.

What I'm hearing is that you want to make mods, and just throw them out there, and not provide any support to the rank and file that dont know shit about the mod at all. Were not Dell computers here. We dont sell someone a crappy laptop and then never talk to them again.

How are we going to bring new talent in, if not through advertising already finished, or near finished mods. How many here didnt know crap about modding FFT until the visited the site? How many are now either involved with, or have started their own mod here because they were brought in by 1.3.

So what if only 1 in 100 actually go on to produce and/or help with mods? Thats one more person than you had before. How else are you going to get more people here than by advertising an already finished project? This is how a modding community works! Go check out the mod community for EVNova. Weve been modding that game for over eight years now and the community is still going! Were still putting out new mods! And yes, 90% of the people who visit and talk in the forums dont "produce".

The short version: Without consumers, there's no point to producers.

^ Also, this.

Mods are designed to be played, and just like you need spriters and game designers and sometimes hackers to get from 0.0 to 1.0, you need players to get from 1.0 to X.XXXX, such as 1.3034 has.  There's no point to the game without the player, and the game can't become refined without them.  They don't contribute much to anything they're not playing most of the time, but there's nothing wrong with that.  Just because a project hit 1.0 doesn't mean its finished.  Getting to 1.0 is honestly the hugest milestone because that's when people start becoming interested, not before.  It sucks but it's true, until you hit 1.0 your hype and design team are likely going to be small.  It's just getting through that stage and making sure your initial plans are actually completable enough to get you to 1.0, before going more grandiose as refinement and version number go up.  Can't build Rome in a day, and you can't expect too many people to help you with it until you've gotten to a stage beyond it looking like just another pile of bricks, even if a few people will.

hahahahha.

Someone is upset because people come here from youtube to play your awesome 1.3 mod, instead of coming here to help with future patching?
  Go outside buddy.

Quote from: "MarblesX"hahahahha.

Someone is upset because people come here from youtube to play your awesome 1.3 mod, instead of coming here to help with future patching?
  Go outside buddy.

nice post count, seriously you have no place in an argument like this

I humbly ask that this topic be locked. It's getting out of hand.

We need everyone for a community.

Nope, my point was that Arch deleted our YT channel and he thought we will cry about that. I didn't, since it was all around 1.3, wich I really don't care about, I have nothing against people here, but his promoting was directed at promoting his own patch, yet he claims it was for the good of the site, though FFH will live, even better with him not around, since he ragedeletes things. I was more frustrated that he deleted other peoples work. It is the same drama that happened with R, but in this case we didn't have the backup data. You were right all along Koko, Arch did not change one bit, sorry for not believing in you