Spam / General Forum Merge

[Vanya]

I disagree. Shit in spam is clearly random nonsense for fun. General is more serious. No need for merger.

[LastingDawn]

I agree with Vanya, unless we want to lose all credibility, I think it is best we keep the two forums seperate from one another.

[DarthPaul]

Some spam may pop up in the general forum, but over all the stuff there has some from of "quality" too it that spam does not have.

[Oblivion]

I also agree with Vanya

[Havermayer]

Merge Spam / General Forums (topics don't raise post count)

Spam topics in the Spam Forum are general topics in nature

and there is no differentiation between these "Spam" topics and the topics in "General Forum"

etc etc

I fully agree.  Let's do it.  :D

[Archael]

I disagree. Shit in spam is clearly random nonsense for fun. General is more serious. No need for merger.

Spam topics and general topics have little to no distinction.

Both have non-FFT-Related things people want to share with FFH.

Both have random nonsense topics for fun.

Both have semi-serious topics as well.

Both just serve as a "Talk about stuff not-related to FFT here" forum. They are both off-topic forums.


If you want me to bring up examples that prove what I'm saying is true, I will.


Claiming that one is different from the other because you want to pass judgment on which topics are "serious" and which ones are "just random jokes" is a very bad reason to disagree with this.

The proposed merger is not with the purpose of eliminating a "serious" section (General, which is more like an Off-Topic FFT section to begin with) or getting rid of a random section (Spam, which is also just an Off-Topic FFT section), it's to save space because both forums share the exact same function right now.

The only reason people post the more "serious" topics in the General forum instead of Spam forum is because they don't want their more serious ideas being categorized as "Spam".

I assure you that if Spam was re-named to "Off-Topic" you'd see people posting "serious" posts there instead of in General. Hell, they already do.

Just keep the name of the merged forum General or something along those lines.

unless we want to lose all credibility

What in the world does "our credibility" have to do with this?

General forum being separate from Spam forum has nothing whatsoever to do with this site's credibility.

[LastingDawn]

The forum section called "General" at least symbolizes that we are trying to curb ourselves from looking like a bunch of children.

If there are "serious" topics in spam it's normally a mistake, such as arguments getting too out of hand and the like.

[Archael]

The forum section called "General" at least symbolizes that we are trying to curb ourselves from looking like a bunch of children.

I don't get it

if our forum titles indicated our intent to not look like children, the forums would look rather different

we wouldn't have sections called "SYMBOLS OF RAGE" "HELP!" or anything with the name "FINAL FANTASY TACTICS" in it

I really don't get how the name of forums says anything about a website's maturity level or lack thereof

please don't bring ZSO impressions into this, it has nothing to do with the idea

If there are "serious" topics in spam it's normally a mistake, such as arguments getting too out of hand and the like.

"a mistake" made by every spam poster and every general poster... like I said in previous post, these 2 forums are the same - they are just off topic forums and everyone uses them as such

like I said before the only reason people don't post "serious spam" in spam and they do it in general is because of the name

it's still off topic spam

[Dome]

I must agree with the mighty Arch.
Spam and general are both the same: Off-topic section.
This is a forum about FFT, and in spam and general you talk about other things...
So they could be merged IMHO.
Btw a poll about this question should be made.
P.s: This forum IS serius, because in this forum has been developed the "FFT 1.3" patch!
P.P.s: Spam and general are not serius, and everybody can see that.
And for GOD sake, stop the tree quote Arch: they make you look bad (Just kidding ofc ^_^)

[Archael]

I'm honestly being serious here.. not trying to tree quote at all

but people keep bringing up things which I think are irrelevant (like maturity level of the site)

[DarthPaul]

The problem you encounter is the quality of the threads in each section.
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2526
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2762
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235

The above are topics of general integrity that are interesting to read for what they are.

http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2811
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2780
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647

The above here are samples from spam that are generally fun to read for the joke/memes inside.

[Kaijyuu]

On most forums I've visited, the "spam" section is usually devoted to things like forum games and stuff too serious and/or ridiculous for general (religious debates, politics, ect).

With the exception of the 3 word game, I don't see any active forum games, and certainly no debates outside seraphim's introduction. I agree with arch that, as of now, the two forums are serving mostly equal purposes.

[DarthPaul]

While you made a point just now Kaijyuu.

I urge to look again we have a lot more debates than you realize.

[Archael]

The problem you encounter is the quality of the threads in each section.
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2526
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2762
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235

The above are topics of general integrity that are interesting to read for what they are.

http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2811
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2780
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647

The above here are samples from spam that are generally fun to read for the joke/memes inside.

I can list examples that are the exact inverse to what you just posted
:\

that's my point though, they are identical

Also DP you are right

Spam has debates.. way more than General


Here goes my examples:

Spam Topics in General Forum:
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2666
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2580
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2559
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2525
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2492
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2156
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2469
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2339
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2336
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2166
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2196
http://www.ffhacktics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2184

The same works in reverse, depending on how much you want to extend the semantic definition of what a "General" topic is.

Rest assured, "serious" or not, they all have one thing in common.

THEY ARE OFF TOPIC!!

I can go on if you like. Of course my examples are irrelevant, BECAUSE THE TWO FORUMS ARE THE SAME. OFF-TOPIC!! That's why you find what Vanya considers "Spam" in General and vice versa. Their only distinction is in the NAME, and the things people "think" is associated with the name.

[DarthPaul]

What you have there Arch lends me to think what we need other than a merger is a general cleanup of the general section in which the spam is thrown in it's rightful place.

I would also be happy if the spam was merged with the general and just call it the General thread and don't mention spam in the description. <- I may look back at that idea and find something I dislike.

Either way I get what you mean the content is the same but the sections are completely different topics. Why not arrange the topics? Lazyness, something better to do, or just don't want to? Either way you look at it nothing has been done and it has worked for us thus far.  Why mess with a formula that works just to find out you have fused you pants to a hamster.

[Archael]

Why mess with a formula that works

there's no doubt that it works

I just suggested merge because of the sheer amount of forums we already have (and growing)

merging general and spam will be like merging

off-topic #1 and off-topic #2

less sub-forums = good

I would also be happy if the spam was merged with the general and just call it the General thread and don't mention spam in the description.

me too

[DarthPaul]

Well I am glad we came to an impasse.

Also you decided not to quote the bit about the trousers melded to a rodent? I thought you might like that part, or at least have a retort.

[Archael]

I would also be happy if the spam was merged with the general and just call it the General thread and don't mention spam in the description.

BTW by this I mean I would be happy if the Spam FORUM was merged with the GENERAL FORUM.

Not *just* if the spam topics in general were merged with spam.

So I don't think we came to an impasse (whatever that means, I have no clue)

Also you decided not to quote the bit about the trousers melded to a rodent? I thought you might like that part, or at least have a retort.

DP, if I didn't quote it or respond to it, it's because I decided not to (obviously), didn't feel like it, or didn't have anything to say about it (obviously, hence my lack of having said anything ABOUT IT)

see this is what I mean about redundant posting

[DarthPaul]

I shall nudge aside your incessant nagging and suffice to say impasse may not have been the most suitable word in that situation.


Though as of your last statement we are now definitely at an impasse, that shall more or less likely be broken by Zodiac's decision.

[Archael]

nudge incessant suffice impasse

Though as of your first statement we are no definitely at an impasse, that shall more or less likely be broken by Zodiac's decision.

lol wat