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Title: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: R999 on June 24, 2010, 03:33:21 am
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7717/screenshot20100705at104p.png)

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3526/screenshot20100705at837.png)


R57, 58, 58.5...

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/804/58889973.png)(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5354/19827053.png)(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3708/40771902.png)



42.5 vs 61 vs 60
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3183/19372776.png) (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3944/41131850.png)


R50
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/852/screenshot20100703at105.png)
R40, 42, 43

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3800/32395440.png)(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3457/32044463.png)(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9268/47412202.png)


Anastasia R38, 35, 33

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8913/12901291.png)(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4324/73207401.png)(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8382/65340297.png)

33 focuses on hair improvement.


30, 31, 32A, 32B
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2092/tiamatr30.png)(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7636/tiamatr31.png)(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8020/21691496.png)(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8489/screenshot20100703at448.png)


Anastasia "Tiamat" Proto R22, R20A & R20B, R21
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1327/tiamatprotor22.png)(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3995/tiamatproto2021.png)(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2264/tiamatprotor21.png)


Anastasia "Tiamat" Proto R14.5, R14, R18

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2317/tiamatprotor14.png)(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2317/tiamatprotor14.png)(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9827/tiamatprotor18.png)





Tiamat R8 (polish, better whites), R7, Sum_W comparison
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4889/r8r7sum.png)


Tiamat Proto R7 compared to R4 side by side
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/354/screenshot20100624at146.png)(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5842/screenshot20100624at115.png)



Old

Anastasia "Tiamat" Proto R12, R11, R10

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9686/tiamatprotor12.png)(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4898/tiamatprotor11.png)(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5053/tiamatprotor10.png)



Tiamat Proto R3, R4

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/750/tiamatprotor3.png)(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3514/tiamatprotor4.png)(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5842/screenshot20100624at115.png)



Tiamat Proto R1, R2

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8591/prototiamatr1.png)(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5504/screenshot20100624at120.png)

Well this is a very rough prototype (totally unuseable) but I wanted to see if something like this would work for Tiamat. Turns out having Dragon Armor and or Helmet always resulted in making her looking fat in some way.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Tiamat WIP
Post by: Lijj on June 24, 2010, 03:52:07 am
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9717/prototiamat2.png) (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/prototiamat2.png/)
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4115/prototiamat1.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/prototiamat1.png/)
Here are two early concepts I did more like a dragon. knight or something though
That bottom one looks too much like Asmo X's dragoon though, just not as cool.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Tiamat WIP
Post by: R999 on June 24, 2010, 04:35:33 am
Tiamat Proto R7

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/354/screenshot20100624at146.png)



Lijj made an epic prototype that's likely going to take forever to finish (the arms of the Summoner base would be extremely time consuming), but I thought I'll share anyhow. It's quite nice:


Tiamat Proto L3

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1053/tiamatproto3.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Tiamat, The Dragoner WIP
Post by: Archael on June 24, 2010, 10:33:52 am
jesus christ
I like all of them, but please stick with this for Tiamat, Dragoner:

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8591/prototiamatr1.png)

not all intelligence type characters need dress looks... some armor is OK too

however, if you ABSOLUTELY MUST have the dress, this one is the best of the 2nd group shown:

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/750/tiamatprotor3.png)


and leave this WC3 Warden for another job, I'm sure you can find a use for it

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1053/tiamatproto3.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Tiamat, The Dragoner WIP
Post by: Zozma on June 24, 2010, 03:12:13 pm
i agree with Voldemort for the girl, but the right one's hair looks slightly better
Title: Re: [Sprite] Tiamat, The Dragoner WIP
Post by: Archael on June 24, 2010, 04:04:34 pm
yeah forget what I said about the dress tiamat

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3514/tiamatprotor4.png)

the chest on this one is alot better ^, but is missing the cool armor around the arms
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragoner WIP
Post by: R999 on June 25, 2010, 03:45:14 am
@Voldemort: Those arms won't work nicely without some major tweaking, which I am hoping to avoid-- as you might already know, we have a lot of sprite work ahead of us. So it is in my best interest to finish her off quickly whenever possible. That was the main reason why I didn't kept going with those arms... but I could try something else though.

Both R4 and R7 are better candidates than the rest. If and when I have more time I will add Dragon patterns on her dress.

I should have a new prototype ready soon. I'll see what else can I come up with...  Lijj you may take over the sprite (if you want to). Either way, she'll be easy enough to finish off.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragoner WIP
Post by: R999 on June 27, 2010, 02:38:28 am
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4889/r8r7sum.png)

R8 - better colorization of R7.


Anastasia "Tiamat" Proto R12, R11, R10

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9686/tiamatprotor12.png)(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4898/tiamatprotor11.png)(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5053/tiamatprotor10.png)


Anastasia "Tiamat" Proto R14.5, 14, 18

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2317/tiamatprotor14.png)(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2317/tiamatprotor14.png)(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9827/tiamatprotor18.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragoner WIP (New Protos)
Post by: Archael on June 27, 2010, 12:12:09 pm
18 is looking rather unique

I'm between this
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9827/tiamatprotor18.png)

and this

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3514/tiamatprotor4.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragoner WIP (New Protos)
Post by: Kagebunji on June 27, 2010, 12:39:45 pm
I like most the two Arch posted as well. But the green one's white part is too bright, red one's is great though, small mix?
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight WIP
Post by: R999 on June 27, 2010, 09:19:30 pm
Ok, check first thread for R20A,R20B, and R22.  There's no more prototypes after this.

Anastasia maybe changed into a Dragon Knight instead -- but either way she will be wielding a legendary spear weapon. I can already picture her enemy ENTD team consisting of 2 traditional Dragoons (with Jump as secondary) along with Czar (her Hydra Pet).

Indeed, R18 looks very cute. That concept however maybe best reserved for a younger lady, like Cleric Ovelia of Agrias' team.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: Zozma on June 29, 2010, 03:38:51 pm
i think if ur going for dragon knight, you should stick to the upper body of R22 and use that dancer lower half.

to be honest i like  that the most myself as the summoner capes and reis dress are easy to overuse. plus it would make much better use of the dark knight arms than what they originally came from... thos arms look good in that dark green
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: R999 on July 03, 2010, 07:58:17 pm
Well I lied about the part where I said there won't be anymore prototypes for our dragongirl.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8382/65340297.png)

33 Has much improved hair; not only is it in the proper FFT isometric angle, it has has much improved overall definition all around.

Oh, for those who don't know, this was my reference for the hair:

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9646/finafantasyluluwig1.jpg)





Update: See main post for R35, a rather unique design.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: Zozma on July 03, 2010, 09:37:21 pm
it looks nice, but are you sure it wont be a time consuming project with a dress like that?
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: R999 on July 03, 2010, 09:45:25 pm
38
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8913/12901291.png)

Which one Zozma? Although all of them are relatively easy edits.  The difficult part is the animation for the back view walking. But as you can see, I have given myself plenty of space for that task (the scale armor patterns, each piece is relatively large. So it would take considerably more time to do than say, Marilith and others, but still not difficult.  I say completion in 2 days.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: Zozma on July 03, 2010, 10:00:19 pm
nice, well i think the white trim helps this new one a lot
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight
Post by: R999 on July 04, 2010, 12:20:22 am
Update 40, 41, 42.

Final round between 42.5 vs 61 vs 60, please look closely. It's a choice between arms.

[s:rpin9bxw](http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3183/19372776.png)[/s:rpin9bxw](http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3944/41131850.png)


Turns out I wasn't very happy with 42.5... The arms do seem a bit too large for this outfit.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 04, 2010, 06:08:02 am
Middle one, R61
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: winshmo2 on July 04, 2010, 06:15:34 am
Yeah middle one looks the best for me.
60s pose looks like she's flexing
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Zozma on July 04, 2010, 08:17:15 am
i agree with kage, pleaaase not the monk arms lol
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Archael on July 04, 2010, 11:12:58 am
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3183/19372776.png) (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)

wow.. can't decide between those two
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Smash on July 04, 2010, 02:03:37 pm
Quote from: "Kagebunji"Middle one, R61
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: winshmo2 on July 04, 2010, 02:36:20 pm
how about a combination of both?

like..
[attachment=0:3tcu9jbk]Anastasia.png[/attachment:3tcu9jbk]
..?
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 04, 2010, 02:41:10 pm
Haha, Winshmo is back with new great arts, I like it a lot. It is up to R.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: winshmo2 on July 04, 2010, 02:50:34 pm
Heh thanks.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Smash on July 04, 2010, 03:00:54 pm
I don't know. The heavy armored arm doesn't go along with the dress. It's why I chose R61.

It's the same as the sketch, only the armored arm was toned down a bit.


Nevertheless, nice way to portray the sketch idea. Gives loads more info than a small sprite. :)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Zozma on July 04, 2010, 03:22:38 pm
R61 gets my vote as well

@winshmo, you gotta draw the other characters, thats great lol
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: Archael on July 04, 2010, 05:52:45 pm
ya thats fuckin great art
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Final Round-
Post by: R999 on July 05, 2010, 12:01:58 am
This illustration has gotten me strangely into doing a Chinese oriental concept,

R57, 58, 58.5...

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/804/58889973.png)(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5354/19827053.png)(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3708/40771902.png)


This might just be the one...  Lost the whites but gained an extra black for better shading.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 05, 2010, 03:17:01 am
Nah, stick with R61, R. Without whites, it looks somewhat dull.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: R999 on July 05, 2010, 03:40:06 am
@Kage: On the contrary, the whites were giving me too much contrast. It certainly does not look dull, that might be your monitor? Standing next to any FFT sprite, she has a quite a striking appearance. Also, please note the blacks can be brightened up slightly. There are 4 blacks which would allow for very rich shading.

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3708/40771902.png)(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 05, 2010, 03:58:33 am
I still favor the one with whites, really, looks less "boring", you get what I mean.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Archael on July 05, 2010, 04:11:07 am
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)

u finished with this ^

stop now
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 05, 2010, 04:12:17 am
See, everyone says R61 is insta win :P
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: winshmo2 on July 05, 2010, 04:45:16 am
R61
EDIT: Inked little Anya..

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9875/anastasia2.th.png) (http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9875/anastasia2.png)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Kagebunji on July 05, 2010, 07:19:00 am
Sketch is good, add some colors, make lines more visible etc., and we will have art for one character :)
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: LastingDawn on July 05, 2010, 11:35:18 am
As always, great art, Winshmo. Just recall that she wields a spear (which... I think you can find a sample in the "Weapons thread" here.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Lijj on July 05, 2010, 06:28:53 pm
Yes... R61=win
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Bonus Round-
Post by: Zozma on July 05, 2010, 06:45:04 pm
Quote from: "Voldemort"(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5217/94436404.png)

u finished with this ^

stop now

i really say you should stop at this one, the other's overuse of green and gold is a little annoying... its just like how ppl like to make sprites that use too much black, it just makes it look less interesting
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight -Czar-
Post by: R999 on July 05, 2010, 11:43:00 pm
This is Anastasia and her loyal hydra pet, the Black Dragon Czar.  (Note color splitting is required to achieve this recolor, of which it is mostly completed). This is actually where I got her colors from,

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4685/screenshot20100705at102.png)

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5127/screenshot20100705at855.png)



While the whites do look nice, however, it unfortunately doesn't fit her character well, nor does it look compatible with her pet. Even from Winshmo's sketch, the whites are giving her a sort of sporty look. Actually Anastasia wearing black armor with a green dress underneath would look even better, but as Zozma put it, black can be overused sometimes, and I agree. And no, I have tried black hair already.



By the way, please vote for Czar's colors.  Edit: I managed to give the Green Czar a golden glow on his eyes, though the glow is not as nice (it's 2 colors as opposed to 3).
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Archael on July 06, 2010, 01:22:17 am
hmm

tough call

black is over-used

but green looks dull as hell on that sprite
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: R999 on July 06, 2010, 01:31:09 am
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7717/screenshot20100705at104p.png)

Applied glowing eyes on the green one as well, but the glow is not as realistic as it is only using 2 colors as opposed to 3.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Kagebunji on July 06, 2010, 05:16:26 am
Like I said to you on chat, one of these should be chosen
(http://www.ffhacktics.com/sprites/sheet/New%20Hydras.png)

And I told you that when you erase whites it will be "boring"(Anastasia) :P
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Archael on July 06, 2010, 04:39:47 pm
that light teal dragon with red eyes looks pretty good on it's own, but dont know how it'd fit standing next to her
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: R999 on July 06, 2010, 07:18:05 pm
@Kage: Hmm, I fail to see how those simple recolors compare to the ones that I have done. They have poor color reduction (lost shading detail), no color correction (balance, etc), [s:2qhtw4cw]no color divide between fangs and body skin[/s:2qhtw4cw], and lacking the glowing effect on their eyes. In contrast comparing with other monsters in the game, these ones all look heavily undersaturated. There's a good reason why Black was chosen for Czar (as he is the Black Dragon in all the FF games as well as for color optimization purposes, as blacks and greys can be shared easily).

At any rate, the Hydra with the best color combination that matches Anastasia best should be the one chosen for Czar for aesthetic reasons.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Zozma on July 06, 2010, 09:18:09 pm
green one!
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Lijj on July 06, 2010, 09:59:49 pm
Black, because the yellow reptilian underbelly looks realistic and I like the green glow.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: R999 on July 06, 2010, 10:00:11 pm
QuoteLijj: Black! by a long shot

Zodiac: the black one looks more realistic (as far as dragons go)

Eternal: Black. He's supposed to be intimidating. Why do you think corporate people wear black? It gives them an aura. Besides, Green reminds me too much of the generic Dragon.



Hmm... looks like this is settled then.
Title: Re: [Sprite] Anastasia "Tiamat", The Dragon Knight & Czar
Post by: Archael on July 09, 2010, 04:40:18 pm
QuoteEternal: Black. He's supposed to be intimidating. Why do you think corporate people wear black? It gives them an aura.

lol

yeah go 4 black