Projects => Completed Mods => FFT Arena => Topic started by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 03:03:08 am
Title: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 03:03:08 am
♈ ♉ ♊ ♋S 2 ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏T O U R N A M E N T♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Hosted by Barren, CT5Holy, Dokurider, FFMaster, Gaignun, and The Damned
Legend
Red = Winner's/Regular Bracket Commentators
Blue = Loser's Bracket Commentators
Yellow = Helpers who structured S2 and put the pieces together
Extra Notes
Barren - Checked and registered the teams Gaignun - Randomized maps for all matches (includes Winner's + Loser's Bracket and Final Match; X videos in total, Y-Z rounds in total) CT5Holy - Managing the brackets
FFH AI Tournament Youtube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/ffhackticstournament)
Brackets - http://challonge.com/arenas2
Videos & Maps
woodenbandman vs EmmaNigma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxjCgJHllks&feature=youtu.be) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (095) Church
Torgo vs TheJonin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qid8QcbTJY4&feature=youtu.be) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (040) Slums in Goug M: (007) Inside of Riovanes Castle
Andante49 vs JamesOnyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yz8DqOFDwQ&feature=youtu.be) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (109) BRIDGE M: (077) Lenalia Plateau
Avalanche vs woodenbandman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlJ4HzNbE90) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
The Damned vs Otabo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CziCDDcMVk) S: (023) Beoulve Residence L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (048) Slums in Zarghidas
the frisky dingo vs Jumza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctAzxFIdjjQ) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (022) Magic City Gariland
Shadowstrike vs DarkxFatal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZk5ZlPz7Dk) S: (113) HORROR L: (099) Main Street of Lesalia M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
CT5Holy vs Garland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYmtWEo-bvY) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
LightningHax vs Eternal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZyLJOte9bw) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (003) Hall of St. Murond Temple
Wiz vs Malroth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4C-cRAJJsw) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (091) Thieves Fort
Angelus vs Dokurider (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVALWLirZW8) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor
Gaignun vs Torgo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcbpBahvs8M) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
Dol vs skiploom188 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Uk2ClDv3s) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (031) Dorter Trade City
Fanatic vs Dragonblade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTypijjnPl4) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (079) Yuguo Woods
DomieV vs reinoe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LokwUpY4kY) S: (096) Pub L: (112) TIGER M: (017) Underground Cemetery of Limberry Castle
Barren vs Andante49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBF7ANgzdLo) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (069) Murond Death City
TrueLight vs Reks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxVoYagyIY) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle
iamBQB vs Ahong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWcX35Dcmuk) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (072) Fovoham Plains M: (101) Tutorial (1)
Vigilanti vs Zareb (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6bCDHs_XE) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2
Avalanche vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxVjU6VJCk&feature=youtu.be) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (032) Slums in Dorter
Jumza vs Shadowstrike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW452zPQcU&feature=youtu.be) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (080) Araguay Woods M: (016) Inside of Limberry Castle
Wiz vs Angelus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvwNCcoi7I&feature=youtu.be) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (088) Finath River M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Gaignun vs Dol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFKe9BpJXA&feature=youtu.be) S: (023) Beoulve Residence L: (029) Colliery Underground Second Floor M: (090) Germinas Peak
Dragonblade vs reinoe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjiE7x-E5Q&feature=youtu.be) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (037) Ruins Outside Zaland M: (035) Zaland Fort City
Barren vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9e-A7zQ3jo&feature=youtu.be) S: (096) Pub L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (027) Goland Coal City
iamBQB vs Zareb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9capuqS6yE&feature=youtu.be) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (105) TERMINATE M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Avalanche vs Shadowstrike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjL8Y3O7D7E&feature=youtu.be) S: (113) HORROR L: (106) DELTA M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse
CT5Holy vs Angelus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqO4aM7S9hM&feature=youtu.be) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (010) Inside of Igros Castle
Gaignun vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/kOnMyWYwfWU) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (039) Underground Passage in Goland M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Barren vs Zareb (http://youtu.be/RIFpymDrDC4) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (026) Weapon Storage of Yardow M: (022) Magic City Gariland
Avalanche vs CT5Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EA8Tk2z9KE&feature=youtu.be) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (108) VOYAGE M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
reinoe vs Barren (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAV5ARKCe8&feature=youtu.be) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (044) Bervenia Free City M: (079) Yuguo Woods
Avalanche vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/hS3vQPb65_U) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (109) BRIDGE M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Garland vs JamesOnyx (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnS0Kyq7vDk) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (088) Finath River M: (016) Inside of Limberry Castle
woodenbandman vs TheJonin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoJIYQDIng) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (029) Colliery Underground Second Floor M: (091) Thieves Fort
Torgo vs EmmaNigma (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuuNVS-UKY) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (106) DELTA M: (017) Underground Cemetery of Limberry Castle
Eternal vs JamesOnyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpkeRoYeiNA&feature=youtu.be) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (039) Underground Passage in Goland M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
Malroth vs Dokurider (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5iXOxqtKTU) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (054) Lost Sacred Precincts M: (002) Back Gate of Lesalia Castle
The Damned vs woodenbandman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hue5wFRe5_s&feature=youtu.be) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (089) Poeskas Lake M: (075) Bervenia Volcano
the frisky dingo vs DarkxFatal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lVX_9p8VM) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (085) Mandalia Plains M: (090) Germinas Peak
Andante49 vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLWO8pqWoaE&feature=youtu.be) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (125) Checkerboard Stairs M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2
Ahong vs Vigilanti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKp5xdPzvM&feature=youtu.be) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (105) TERMINATE M: (101) Tutorial (1)
skiploom188 vs Torgo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIglzBrlPU&feature=youtu.be) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (026) Weapon Storage of Yardow M: (035) Zaland Fort City
Fanatic vs DomieV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X05O22g5Od0&feature=youtu.be) S: (011) Office of Igros Castle L: (071) Dolbodar Swamp M: (095) Church
Dragonblade vs JamesOnyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqq9RORYhsw) S: (086) Doguola Pass L: (087) Bariaus Valley M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Dol vs Malroth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdct9lZ0mqs) S: (092) Igros, Beoulve Residence L: (072) Fovoham Plains M: (007) Inside of Riovanes Castle
iamBQB vs The Damned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdkFs4Ah_Qk) S: (053) Entrance to Death City L: (084) Bariaus Hill M: (077) Lenalia Plateau
TrueLight vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8huO0_Q6Z5U) S: (012) At the Gate of Lionel Castle L: (055) Graveyard of Airships M: (069) Murond Death City
Jumza vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8--3AuEqVE) S: (065) Granary of Bethla Garrison L: (080) Araguay Woods M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor
Otabo vs Ahong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTViAQWH98) S: (073) Inside of Windmill Shed L: (108) VOYAGE M: (032) Slums in Dorter
Wiz vs Torgo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALw_JGytzA) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (099) Main Street of Lesalia M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse
LightningHax vs Fanatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOohYb0v14k) S: (013) Inside of Lionel Castle L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (031) Dorter Trade City
Dragonblade vs Dol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0B2d9iw5P0) S: (024) Military Academy's Auditorium L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (001) At Main Gate of Igros Castle
iamBQB vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HsTbtwpA6o) S: (018) Office of Limberry Castle L: (102) Tutorial (2) M: (003) Hall of St. Murond Temple
Jumza vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wX1eEsB6wc&feature=youtu.be) S: (051) St. Murond Temple L: (037) Ruins Outside Zaland M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
Wiz vs LightningHax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKjKcT0_QA&feature=youtu.be) S: (068) Bethla Garrison L: (045) Ruins of Zeltennia Castle's Church M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor
Shadowstrike vs Dol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9rVoi_lgs&feature=youtu.be) S: (023) Beoulve Residence L: (112) TIGER M: (048) Slums in Zarghidas
Angelus vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD0-fVd5Dw&feature=youtu.be) S: (008) Riovanes Castle L: (040) Slums in Goug M: (010) Inside of Igros Castle
Gaignun vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw4j8Z71bgg&feature=youtu.be) S: (021) Zeltennia Castle L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (027) Goland Coal City
Zareb vs Wiz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nMGUQ3HdxY&feature=youtu.be) S: (113) HORROR L: (030) Colliery Underground Third Floor M: (098) Outside Castle Gate in Lesalia
Dol vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFJPL-SaVWI&feature=youtu.be) S: (094) Broke Down Shed-Stone Building L: (074) Sweegy Woods M: (056) Orbonne Monastery
Gaignun vs Wiz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe129EKu3zQ&feature=youtu.be) S: (004) Office of Lesalia Castle L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (049) Fort Zeakden
Barren vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQgXHWAHzDM&feature=youtu.be) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (061) Underground Book Storage Fifth Floor M: (063) Golgorland Execution Site
CT5Holy vs Gaignun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ix9wU956s&feature=youtu.be) S: (096) Pub L: (006) At the Gate of Riovanes Castle M: (090) Germinas Peak
TrueLight vs CT5Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYyde1k3XeU&feature=youtu.be) S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (046) Cemetery of Heavenly Knight Balbanes M: (022) Magic City Gariland
reinoe vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJN1gVRsjto&feature=youtu.be) S: (058) Underground Book Storage Second Floor L: (076) Zeklaus Desert M: (005) Roof of Riovanes Castle
Avalanche vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPeTlsbO2QA&feature=youtu.be) S: (025) Yardow Fort City L: (100) Public Cemetery M: (028) Colliery Underground First Floor M: (060) Underground Book Storage Fourth Floor M: (095) Church
S: (020) Inside of Zeltennia Castle L: (072) Fovoham Plains M: (034) Cellar of Sand Mouse M: (118) Checkerboard Land 2 M: (007) Inside of Riovanes Castle
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 03:04:47 am
Entrants
Player: Ahong Team: Season 2 Team Palettes: White/Blue Last Revision: 2013-06-26
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Ahong Male Aquarius 70 40 Paladin Punch Art PA Save Overwhelm Warpath Chaos Blade
Diamond Helmet Silk Robe Bracer
Reraise, Southern Cross Wave Fist, Stigma Magic, Chakra
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Natalie Female Taurus 40 70 Chemist Draw Out Critical Quick Magic Defend UP Jump+2 Blaze Gun
Holy Miter Brigandine Chantage
Hi-Potion, Ether, Echo Grass, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down Masamune
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Gin Female Capricorn 40 70 Priest Summon Magic Auto Potion Short Charge
Player: Dokurider Team: Season 2 Team Palettes: Yellow/Red Last Revision: 2013-06-28
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Load Female Serpentarius 55 40 Mediator Snipe Projectile Guard Equip Polearm Move-HP Up Octagon Rod
Thief Hat Secret Clothes Cursed Ring
Insult Seal Evil, Weapon Break
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Balancer Female Serpentarius 40 70 Paladin Time Magic Critical Quick Short Charge Move-MP Up Phoenix Blade Escutcheon II Platina Helmet Robe of Lords Elf Mantle
Counterwork Female Gemini 40 50 Paladin Steal Damage Split Concentrate Move-HP Up Battle Axe Escutcheon II Platina Helmet Light Robe Angel Ring
Transfusion Quickening, Steal Heart
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Resist Female Aquarius 40 70 Geomancer White Magic Counter Flood Magic Defend UP Move-HP Up Rune Blade Aegis Shield Golden Hairpin White Robe Dracula Mantle
Player: reinoe Team: Season 2 Team Palettes: Blue/Black Last Revision: 2013-07-01
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CT5HOLY's Archer Male Serpentarius 40 70 Archer Item Speed Save Magic Attack UP Pilgrimage Glacier Gun Kaiser Plate Thief Hat Rubber Costume Reflect Ring
Arm Aim X-Potion, Maiden's Kiss, Soft, Bandage, Phoenix Down
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Gaignun's Ninja Male Virgo 70 50 Ninja Item Abandon Attack UP Move-HP Up Hidden Knife Ninja Knife Twist Headband Black Costume Feather Mantle
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 03:16:47 am
Well, hope no one minds that I put this up >_>
FFM, could you prettify the first post with the Arena logo if you have time?
Good luck, have fun everyone! Thanks for playing!
Ugh, I'm really scared for my team - I'm pretty sure they won't place high. I didn't test against a wide enough variety of teams. Also not sure if I chose the right variant of the team. The Paladin could've been a Lancer for a more brutal offense, but I hope Transfusion will be useful? /sigh I'm fairly certain I'm going to lose to Wiz, Doku, and Gaignun, from what I saw of those teams. I didn't get as good a glimpse at other teams, but I'm pretty sure my team can be easily taken out. Possibly Avalanche as well. I dun wanna look at all the teams right now, but yeah, my claim still stands. I'll be knocked out around Loser's bracket round 4.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 05, 2013, 03:38:12 am
I'm glad you put it up this way, I was getting antsy.
I was debating between three separate teams and I hope I made the right choice.
In previous season there were special "winner's bracket intros" and "loser's bracket intros" for the Youtube videos. Will those be foregone this time around?
Normally I'd start engaging in the self-aggrandizing right about now, but I'd hate to start boasting and then lose. Oh to hell with it, I'm doing it anyway...
DomieV is goin' down! He can't touch my team. I'm bringing the lazy tech zombie apocolypse! The best of the best built my team for me! I know my team is full of winners! It's over for you Domie, but don't feel bad maybe if you get lucky (because you aren't going to make it on skill ;)) you can have the pleasure of losing to me again in the finals!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Ahong on July 05, 2013, 04:48:27 am
Uhh, i can't wait to see my matches. Good Luck Everyone!!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 05, 2013, 05:49:54 am
(I'd wish everyone "good luck", but between me actually being in this with a team that isn't completely half-assed & that I actually at least somewhat care about and automatically having worse luck than everyone here, I'll just say "you are all going down [to someone else]".)
I'll also repeat, here, that for teams that aren't from the Team Submissions Thread, feel free to shoot me a name if you end up in the Loser's Bracket (or just in general) via PM. Otherwise I'm probably making up a punny name for any team I happen to record. Some of you already have obvious names, though.
*nods at Vigilanti and Wiz*
Anyway, quickly looking over things, wow...there is...a hell of a lot less Quickening, Cursed Ring, Spellguns and elemental absorb than I expected, even discounting the "new guys". Thanks for making me feel doubly guilty over using Quickening you bastards. -_- (Insulted EDIT: Also less Insult, now that reinoe points it out.)
There's also more Balance, Ancient Sword and Two Hands Support use than I expected, among other things, but otherwise I'm really not surprised to see that much Kagesougi. Ugh.
And, honestly, I'm surprised that Angelus didn't go with his all-Lore team again or that no one went with all-Lore at all. Not that I mind that being missing. I laughed at there being absolutely no Mimes because it is really not surprising.
Someone should have probably put up a reminder somewhere neither Tsumazuku nor the Purple Palette work, though I thought Avalanche had known the former for...a while. Regardless, Two Handed Shieldrender should be...interesting even if the proc for that is also broken (like Bow Gun) and it would probably been better served being a Lionheart (or even the mythical Platinum Sword) due to that.
Finally, I find it amusing that I'm facing the person I thought I'd face first anyway. I look forward to seeing if things play out like I think they "should" when it comes to fighting that Geomancer at least. This even though I'll probably ultimately get my ass kicked like 95% of the time.
I'm furious with you with putting this up...because you didn't remind me that dollars signs don't exist in the name thing...which means I could have properly spaced Park Place's name.
CT5Holy!
*flips table*
...Nah, it's cool. I dislike Monopoly anyway. (Seriously, how does anyone find that game entertaining to play to completion?)
As for getting your ass kicked, hey, you at least tested your team. I literally had Dokurider test three other steadily bettering teams before going with a completely different team because I'm an indecisive asshole like that.
P.S. Even knowing that's how they're spelled in-game or in Xifanie's memory card thing or whatever, seeing Steal Accessory and Chronos Tear spelled like that makes me feel even deader inside than usual. I thought this was relevant enough to share with eveyrone.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 05, 2013, 06:05:20 am
And, honestly, I'm surprised that Angelus didn't go with his all-Lore team again or that no one went with all-Lore at all.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking that re: Angelus' Lore Team. Even though he went 2-2 during the SCC tournament, that team was an absolute beast and I though he'd submit it again. I also considered my "Short Circuit" team for submission but the prevalence of Autopotion during tournaments had me dial back the consideration.
Interestingly after my SYTYCD team went 3-0 during Doku's test video I seriously considered submitting that team which would have had the one Mime. But I thought to myself "do I want to win or do I want to do something interesting. Most times I'd want to do something interesting, but I figured I'd try to seriously win this thing.
But there's not as much Insult as I expected.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 05, 2013, 08:07:59 am
QuoteSomeone should have probably put up a reminder somewhere neither Tsumazuku nor the Purple Palette work, though I thought Avalanche had known the former for...a while.
Maybe someone should leave a note at the Master Guide. So that noone ever builds a Team on a ability that doesnt work. I knew i should have tested this Team a bit more...well.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 05, 2013, 08:14:07 am
Looks like I get to wait for my first opponent between Andante and JamesOnyx. Good luck to the both of you guys
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DomieV on July 05, 2013, 08:18:12 am
Just because you took ideas from previous team doesn't guarantee you anything just yet. Any moment my Paly with the swords or the punches and the samurai that bitches with draw out and my little nun can put you in your place :P
But really good luck to everyone
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Vigilanti on July 05, 2013, 08:19:32 am
ZAREB! TIME TO ROCK N' ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But seriously you're gonna kick my ass....or are you? :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angelus on July 05, 2013, 08:20:57 am
*looks at his opponent* I'm so dead
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 05, 2013, 10:02:10 am
Well Damned, monopoly doesn't take as long as you think. If you're playing by house rules like "Free parking gives you money" it gives the game unnecessary longevity. If you play by the regular rules it goes by quicker.
Here's an example on what I'm talking about: Monopoly - Game Grumps VS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE5zNI2_d2s)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 05, 2013, 10:43:56 am
Thanks to all the people who entered, especially the newcomers. Even if you don't make it very far, your participation is extremely valuable for hammering out the balance of this game.
Everyone, be sure to double-check your team before matches start to make sure there are no discrepancies. Submissions usually change hands multiple times before appearing in this thread, so there is a probability that some information got scrambled or forgotten.
Quote from: The DamnedTwo Handed Shieldrender should be...interesting even if the proc for that is also broken
Do you mean Shieldrender never attacks twice? It does in my (pre-hotfix) version of FFT.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: skiploom188 on July 05, 2013, 11:01:02 am
Looks promising. Can't wait for this!
Hey Dol, you're looking at an opponent who...
Never even makes it out of the first bracket >_<
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on July 05, 2013, 11:47:16 am
Quote from: The Damned on July 05, 2013, 05:49:54 am Finally, I find it amusing that I'm facing the person I thought I'd face first anyway. I look forward to seeing if things play out like I think they "should" when it comes to fighting that Geomancer at least. This even though I'll probably ultimately get my ass kicked like 95% of the time.
I feel special now...
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on July 05, 2013, 11:54:16 am
After a quick look through the teams, I counted 2 Phoenix Blades, 11 Cursed Rings, and 12 units that have Quickening. I expected more Phoenix Blades, but I guess the Always: Slow turned people away. I also saw lots of Katar + Two Hands combinations. I feel that this tournament is going to have lots of pain.
Good luck to you Reks!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Jumza on July 05, 2013, 12:01:47 pm
TheFriskyDingo!
...
Go easy on me :/
Good luck all!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Fanatic on July 05, 2013, 12:33:19 pm
Dragonblade!
(looks at team)
...Ouch. Yeah, this could be very, very bad for me. I HATE Odin. Good luck anyway! This will be fun!
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Post by: Zareb on July 05, 2013, 12:50:34 pm
But seriously you're gonna kick my ass....or are you? :D
I'm kind-of scared of your Berserked gunners, to be quite frank. Lol. I'm hoping that they won't take-out my Monks and/or break their helmets before they both at least proc Dragon Spirit. Even then.... we'll see. Weeeeeeee'lllllll seeeeeeee. Punk!
To the RNG: Please be in my favour... for the sake of my children!
EDIT: Actually, it could be the Don't Move spam that screws me over... :oops:
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Post by: Torgo on July 05, 2013, 01:23:01 pm
I caught one mild discrepancy in my team. Nothing on the technical side, but one of the names. It's Arch Hall Jr., not Hill.
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Post by: Barren on July 05, 2013, 01:31:41 pm
I already changed your unit's name on the spread sheet. The other hosts will catch on
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Post by: Eternal on July 05, 2013, 02:04:13 pm
I can only hope that my team performs as intended and loses in a spectacular and elegant way. Afterall, it's not about who wins, it's about who puts on the best show!
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Post by: Otabo on July 05, 2013, 02:28:30 pm
Good luck to everyone.
May the RNG have mercy on ALL of our souls...
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Post by: Dokurider on July 05, 2013, 02:38:32 pm
I'm absolutely thrilled at all of the Two Hand Katars in this tourney, especially the Cursed ones. I was really hoping for more Ele Guns so we can get more data on them. In any case, Rebalancing Arena is a combination of Peking Dragon Company's keystone immortality (three immortal units, one really unkillable unit). It's pretty much everything I've learned in Arena so far, the power of Balance Knights(even though I stole it from Raven's team), the unorthodoxy of Frog, the absolute CC of Berserk, the stall power of immortality, hell I even managed to squeeze Move - 1 in there, slotting it into babysitting my Phylactery Doorstop unit. I think the only think I would readjust would be that I don't think I need Weapon Break (and therefore the entire Snipe skillset) as much as I thought previously. Then again, that's a big maybe, I probably should have ran this against Y CHIKEN SO DERICIOUS? and see if I could kill their dumb asses. Otherwise I'm pretty pleased with my team right now.
Quote Do you mean Shieldrender never attacks twice? It does in my (pre-hotfix) version of FFT.
Interesting, Malroth tested and confirmed it doesn't work. And I can confirm that Bow Gun doesn't work either (I had a team that tried to use Bow Gun, did not work at all).
Defensive ========= Auto Potion 29 By far the most popular reaction (used by 21% of all units) Damage Split 07 HP Restore 13 MP Restore 03 Distribute 03 Regenerator 02 Dragon Spirit 08 Projectile Guard 06 Finger Guard 03 Awareness 02 Abandon 09 Speed Save 05 Critical Quick 04 Chrono Trigger 03 PA Save 06 MA Save 04 ---------------------- Total 111 (79%)
Throwing Knife 00 Dual Cutters 01 Repel Knife 03 Mage Masher 00 Platina Dagger 03 Main Gauche 02 Orichalcum 00 Katar 05 All 5 are used with two hands Air Knife 01
Hidden Knife 06 Only 32% (6/19) of dual-wielders are using these. Ninja Knife 03 Short Edge 03 Ninja Edge 00 Spell Edge 00 Sasuke Knife 02 Iga Knife 01 Koga Knife 01
Gold Armor 03 Diamond Armor 07 Platina Armor 04 Carabini Mail 03 Crystal Armor 00 Genji Armor 00 Reflect Mail 00 Maximilian 00
Wizard Outfit 04 Brigandine 08 Santa Outfit 03 Power Sleeve 19 PA junkies! Earth Clothes 10 Secret Clothes 04 Black Costume 24 9 are paired with Thief Hat Rubber Costume 10
Linen Robe 00 Silk Robe 01 Wizard Robe 01 Chameleon Robe 02 White Robe 10 60% (6/10) also have Magic Defend UP. 1 has Maintenance. Black Robe 02 Light Robe 04 Robe of Lords 10
Elemental Resistance (Rs) ============================= Fr Ic Lt Wn Wt Er Hy Dk Ab 24 04 14 09 22 16 08 35 Nu 00 00 03 02 02 06 11 00 Hv 14 14 14 26 26 26 00 00 ----------------------------- Rs(%) 22 08 17 17 26 25 14 25
Explanation: Resistance represents the average resistance toward an element. It is given by Rs = [(Ab+Nu)+0.5(Hv)] / n where Rs: resistance of a given element Ab: number of units that absorb the element Nu: number of units that null the element Hv: number of units that halve the element n: number of units in total (here 140)
Rs ranges between 0% and 100%. A value of 0% means no unit resists the element, so the element is always effective for offense. A value of 100% means every unit completely resists (absorbs or nulls) the element, so the element is completely ineffective for offense.
1st 2nd Black 11 03 Blue 03 13 Red 04 05 Green 04 03 White 07 03 Yellow 02 05 Brown 03 02
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Andante49 on July 05, 2013, 03:34:42 pm
Thanks again for putting this on, looks like it'll be a blast. Good luck JamesOnyx and everyone else.
I'm off to offer ritual sacrifices to the RNG
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 04:08:15 pm
If you guys notice any discrepancies/errors in your team, post them here so all the hosts/vid recorders can note the changes, and I can make the appropriate edits in the 'Entrants' post.
Also, thanks Gaignun for once again giving us all our much needed numbers! whee
EDIT: 3 Repel Knives! That's a weapon I was definitely curious about. I didn't use it cause I think The Damned said it didn't work properly. =/ Only 10 spellguns? Fine by me! >_> A lot of Archers, and no mimes! That makes me sad, although it's not surprising.
gooooo Auto Potion Move-HP UP and Move-MP UP are once again, to no one's surprise, the overwhelming favorites Only 5 users with Chiri? Huh.
I'm the only one with Javelin~ (berserk that unit and I'll cry) A lot of unused weapons, though actually there's a few surprising one-ofs here and there. The elemental spears are still like completely unused, low crossbow representation, and only Mythril and Ultimus bows are used from longbows. Excellent spread on the headgears, that's good to see. Perfumes still popular, including 3 Salty Rages!
And I'm sure there's still plenty of interesting things to note!
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Post by: reinoe on July 05, 2013, 05:07:10 pm
Defensive ========= Auto Potion 29 By far the most popular reaction (used by 21% of all units) Damage Split 07 HP Restore 13 MP Restore 03 Distribute 03 Regenerator 02 Dragon Spirit 08 Projectile Guard 06 Finger Guard 03 Awareness 02 Abandon 09 Speed Save 05 Critical Quick 04 Chrono Trigger 03 PA Save 06 MA Save 04 ---------------------- Total 111 (79%)
Throwing Knife 00 Dual Cutters 01 Repel Knife 03 Mage Masher 00 Platina Dagger 03 Main Gauche 02 Orichalcum 00 Katar 05 All 5 are used with two hands Air Knife 01
Hidden Knife 06 Only 32% (6/19) of dual-wielders are using these. Ninja Knife 03 Short Edge 03 Ninja Edge 00 Spell Edge 00 Sasuke Knife 02 Iga Knife 01 Koga Knife 01
Gold Armor 03 Diamond Armor 07 Platina Armor 04 Carabini Mail 03 Crystal Armor 00 Genji Armor 00 Reflect Mail 00 Maximilian 00
Wizard Outfit 04 Brigandine 08 Santa Outfit 03 Power Sleeve 19 PA junkies! Earth Clothes 10 Secret Clothes 04 Black Costume 24 9 are paired with Thief Hat Rubber Costume 10
Linen Robe 00 Silk Robe 01 Wizard Robe 01 Chameleon Robe 02 White Robe 10 60% (6/10) also have Magic Defend UP. 1 has Maintenance. Black Robe 02 Light Robe 04 Robe of Lords 10
Elemental Resistance (Rs) ============================= Fr Ic Lt Wn Wt Er Hy Dk Ab 24 04 14 09 22 16 08 35 Nu 00 00 03 02 02 06 11 00 Hv 14 14 14 26 26 26 00 00 ----------------------------- Rs(%) 22 08 17 17 26 25 14 25
Explanation: Resistance represents the average resistance toward an element. It is given by Rs = [(Ab+Nu)+0.5(Hv)] / n where Rs: resistance of a given element Ab: number of units that absorb the element Nu: number of units that null the element Hv: number of units that halve the element n: number of units in total (here 140)
Rs ranges between 0% and 100%. A value of 0% means no unit resists the element, so the element is always effective for offense. A value of 100% means every unit completely resists (absorbs or nulls) the element, so the element is completely ineffective for offense.
A couple of thoughts based on these numbers and in a compare/contrast with Season 1.
Usually there's a least one Mime. I guess with Autopotion consistently being one of the most used reactions, there was just no way to make a song/dance/mime team work.
Bards are consistently selected for their MA+HP, with their primary skill often not even selected.
Despite there being more players last time around, there are more wizard primary and secondary slots selected for this season. Those buffs must have helped.
Not a single Grand Cross and only 2 Southern Crosses. This seems hard to understand at first but then you think about all the moving parts involved in a Grand Cross team and it makes sense (High PA, MP RESTORATION on units that don't typically run a lot of MP, Blindness protection, protecting allies who may get in the crossfire.
Bard and Scholar popularity took a major nosedive. Scholar makes sense, Bard doesn't.
By a country mile, Autopotion continues to be the most popular support.
Despite forum reservations about Concentrate being out of control when it was first introduced, not a single unit is utilizing that support this season.
I was going to post a lot more about the numbers but I'm going to take a nap instead. Good luck everyone (except DomieV)!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on July 05, 2013, 05:41:57 pm
You missed the only instance of Move - 1: My team.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 05, 2013, 06:06:11 pm
Just saw my first opponent. Wiz you've got a really good team that seems to have a very good chance of taking the whole tournament but My team's no slouch and has a fair shot of taking you down so I'm not making this easy on you.
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Post by: Otabo on July 05, 2013, 06:19:08 pm
Darn, and I thought I would be the one to get away as being the only one to run both Ignore Height and Feather Boots...
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Post by: Malroth on July 05, 2013, 07:44:19 pm
A note to Reinoe. With autopotion there is one way to make Sing/dance teams work, Nameless dance to inflict Oil then use Summons or Elemental Swords and Grand Cross to 1hko anything, can have INSANE DPS but such a team is absolute crap when it comes to status removal.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 05, 2013, 09:26:26 pm
(...Wait, Gaignun already crunched the numbers I've been wasting hours on six hours ago?)
*frustrated sigh*
Ugh. This is what I get for not refreshing enough, especially given my Internet has been back for several hours now.
Well...thanks for that, even if I loathe the compression of the Code function.
*goes off to watch first video*
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 05, 2013, 10:15:13 pm
FFT Arena S2 Preliminary Round - Torgo vs TheJonin (http://youtu.be/Qid8QcbTJY4)
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Post by: Wiz on July 05, 2013, 10:16:21 pm
You won't be able to beat me Malroth. Your damage output's too low with the magic gunners not having: Overwhelm, Strengthen: X, Magic Attack Up, or Pilgrimage or a combination of all. Even with breaks being present, the DPS is easily healed by a single X-Potion for 120 HP and that doesn't even account for Move-HP UP (+) & Regen. More importantly, I have Berserk up my arsenal which will be a difficult thing for your team to cope with and pretty much make everyone useless and that's before inflicting everyone with Kiyomori.
Thanks for the compliment, but unless Angelus wins in the 1st Round, Doku's going to knock me out in Round 2 because his team's a hard-counter to mine. His mediator is going to be the bane of my existence because Richter Belmont won't steal her accessory due to the AI prioritizing damage over stealing since the HP Threshold reaches a certain point. 120 HP X-Potions take ~43 % of her health bar and the AI will be doing that 99% of the time because that percentage is very high.
Cursed Ring's broken property of getting up 100% of the time is what's the kicker. High speed values (11+) minimize the turns lost and make it pretty much the go-to approach for any fast units. If there was a way to lower the rate to "66% live or 33% crystalize", it would be more fair and currently only OP. There'd be risk and not the brain dead approach of "LOL I'll create a glass cannon that I normally wouldn't create because he/she will be immortal essentially". To my knowledge however, there's no way of altering that.
It'd be a miracle if I clawed my way out of the Loser's Bracket, but I doubt that'll happen with Cursed Ring's stupidity along with Kagesougi + Ninjas + Hidden Knife & Ninja Knife + Attack Up combo. Three Support Abilities on one unit, Two Swords + Attack UP + "Concentrate" via transparent status, please.
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Post by: Zalbagg on July 05, 2013, 11:00:18 pm
Is it too late for me to join?
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Post by: Fanatic on July 05, 2013, 11:28:19 pm
"Despite forum reservations about Concentrate being out of control when it was first introduced, not a single unit is utilizing that support this season. "
..Uh, what? Both me and Dragonblade are using it...
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Post by: reinoe on July 06, 2013, 12:21:50 am
Great Job Torgo! Quite a balanced team. The Dancer was spamming yell a little too much in round 2, but thats because the Monk didn't use Masamune on his allies. I'm kinda worried about Torgo's prospects though. That dancer needs to be spamming Witch Hunt right from the start and she's not, even though she was up against a team that used a lot of MP.
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Post by: Jumza on July 06, 2013, 12:23:16 am
Quote from: Fanatic on July 05, 2013, 11:28:19 pm "Despite forum reservations about Concentrate being out of control when it was first introduced, not a single unit is utilizing that support this season. "
..Uh, what? Both me and Dragonblade are using it...
I'm running 2 units with concentrate on my team
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Post by: Zareb on July 06, 2013, 01:45:18 am
So, uh, have any of you made a team after submitting one for a tournament only to discover that your newly-crafted team is better than said tournament-submitted team? Yeeeahhhh.... check it out....
Player: Zareb Team: Spoilers Palettes: Green/Brown Last Revision: 2013-07-06
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Balk Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Sing PA Save Martial Arts Fly FS Bag
Chakra Band Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra Battle Song
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Zalbag Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Sing PA Save Martial Arts Fly FS Bag
Chakra Band Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra Battle Song
EDIT: Won against 15 random teams in a row on random maps on my first try. Phoenix Blade+Nurse = lol.
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Post by: Ahong on July 06, 2013, 02:11:07 am
Uh, i think i found my archer's sister :D.
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Post by: reinoe on July 06, 2013, 02:40:19 am
Quote from: Zareb on July 06, 2013, 01:45:18 am So, uh, have any of you made a team after submitting one for a tournament only to discover that your newly-crafted team is better than said tournament-submitted team? Yeeeahhhh.... check it out....
Player: Zareb Team: Spoilers Palettes: Green/Brown Last Revision: 2013-07-06
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Balk Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Sing PA Save Martial Arts Fly FS Bag
Chakra Band Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra Battle Song
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Zalbag Male Serpentarius 70 40 Monk Sing PA Save Martial Arts Fly FS Bag
Chakra Band Power Sleeve Cursed Ring
Spin Fist, Repeating Fist, Wave Fist, Earth Slash, Stigma Magic, Chakra Battle Song
EDIT: Won against 15 random teams in a row on random maps on my first try. Phoenix Blade+Nurse = lol.
I'd imagine that your Paladins are not using ReRaise though, granted I haven't seen your tests. Unless you're running ReRaise in case Phoenix Blade gets broken or Cursed Ring gets stolen, I'd replace it with something else.
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Post by: Zareb on July 06, 2013, 02:42:26 am
Quote from: reinoe on July 06, 2013, 02:40:19 am I'd imagine that your Paladins are not using ReRaise though, granted I haven't seen your tests. Unless you're running ReRaise in case Phoenix Blade gets broken or Cursed Ring gets stolen, I'd replace it with something else.
That's precisely why it's there; it just serves as a back-up just in-case my equipment gets broken/stolen. So far, I haven't seen them use it... thankfully!
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Post by: The Damned on July 06, 2013, 03:10:14 am
(*is also using Concentrate on 2 units, technically 3 due to the stupidity that is Hidden Knife, and thus has no idea what reinoe meant there if that's not some horrific typo*)
I am very tempted to continue that list that I was making that Gaignun already finished out of sheer stubbornness, but, meh, it can wait if it gets done at all now.
Instead I'll just reply to some things and save commentary on the Preliminary Winners Round until the third one is done.
Quote from: reinoe on July 05, 2013, 06:05:20 amInterestingly after my SYTYCD team went 3-0 during Doku's test video I seriously considered submitting that team which would have had the one Mime. But I thought to myself "do I want to win or do I want to do something interesting. Most times I'd want to do something interesting, but I figured I'd try to seriously win this thing.
Meh, I can understand that I suppose, especially in the case of the usual suspects. I say "meh" because even I'm not normally that competitive, I don't think there's necessarily mutual exclusivity between the two choices as you imply. It's not like you can't make something interesting that's also highly capable of winning, even with having to compete in the current (general) field of Quickening, Spellguns, Insult (read: Berserk status being infinite and negative rather than neutral), Kagesougi and Cursed Ring.
Quote from: Avalanche on July 05, 2013, 08:07:59 am Maybe someone should leave a note at the Master Guide. So that noone ever builds a Team on a ability that doesnt work. I knew i should have tested this Team a bit more...well.
Yes, someone should have. A bit late now in general though, given that both of the only techniques never used by the A.I., Persuade and Tsumazuku, are dying in 1.39 anyway. (Clarifying EDIT: Ugh. Omitted "never" before. Also, technically, Tsumazuku has seen use...supposedly; it was strictly off-camera. No one has any idea what's up with Persuade still given the A.I. usually whores CT00 abilities like they're going out of style.)
For the record, besides those abilities, Shieldrender & Bow Gun have been known not to work since 1.38a and the Purple palette has been acting up for...years. The palette thing should at least be noted in the Master Guide since I'm not sure when, if ever, that's going to be fixed. I'll go make an official note of it in the complaint thread since I exist only to bother FFMaster and monopolize cynicism.
Quote from: Barren on July 05, 2013, 10:02:10 am Well Damned, monopoly doesn't take as long as you think. If you're playing by house rules like "Free parking gives you money" it gives the game unnecessary longevity. If you play by the regular rules it goes by quicker.
Here's an example on what I'm talking about: Monopoly - Game Grumps VS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE5zNI2_d2s)
I'll take your word for it. I'll watch the video when I get back tomorrow...if I come back tomorrow. I'm not even sure.
As far as I'm aware, it doesn't at all in post-hotfix versions. The same with Bow Gun. I could be wrong and I'm ready to be "pleasantly surprised" though. Shrug.
Barren has the last word on things though I'd imagine.
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Post by: JamesOnyx on July 06, 2013, 04:47:35 am
I also made a much more efficient team after submitting a lackluster one. It solely focuses on two Scholars with Malestrom in combination with Coral Sword/Rubber Costume/Diamond Armlet/Distribute and two other units with Earth Dragon and Strengthen Earth/Absorb Earth/Half Water/MA Save. The sheer power they can accumulate without taking "damage" because of distribute while whittling down the opponent was pretty amazing. It got owned on small maps though, but most magic based teams do.
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Post by: Barren on July 06, 2013, 05:58:05 am
I was actually just looking for a goofy face shot of him from Eegah, but that was one of the first things to come up in an image search, and it was too perfect to not use.
Anyway...
It's nice to get a proper win. Thanks guys! I think my saving grace more than anything was Jonin wasn't packing too much in the way of serious ranged power. Getting the opportunity to close the distance is pretty crucial for me.
reinoe: Yeah, I'm still bummin' out that Roxy isn't doing any Witch Hunt. On the small map it's understandable, but I think on the larger map it's just a matter of the ai giving haste buffing a priority when she's not in range. I think in the future I'll take away Yell. Eegah's Masamune is good enough for haste buffing. That said, her using Throw Stone to cancel charges was exactly the reason I wanted to give her Basic Skill.
CT5Holy: Thanks for the observation about Carbunkle. I'll probably reallocate those points to something else in the future. Maybe Silf for status effects, or Leviathan for buff removal. (Titan would be redundant, and undesirable besides in lieu of Quake.)
And since it was talked up in the video and in the comments, I have some meandering thoughts on the Platinum Sword and its viability, but I'll probably save that for the balance thread. Later. I haven't slept. In the mean time, dat 357 crit. :cool:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 06, 2013, 01:49:50 pm
FFT Arena S2 Preliminary Round - Andante vs JamesOnyx (http://youtu.be/1yz8DqOFDwQ)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Andante49 on July 06, 2013, 02:40:25 pm
Great match JamesOnyx
The Water/Lore combo is definitely scary, didn't think my team had a shot in the tie breaker. Good luck in the loser's bracket, I'll most likely be down there soon too.
*looks at Barren's team and shudders*
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: JamesOnyx on July 06, 2013, 02:54:36 pm
Yeah, good games. I needed one more revival unit, only having two seriously hurt me. Also the Geomancer...
Those Bahumuts.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on July 06, 2013, 04:06:27 pm
I think the idea behind Idiot Wind is to use the lack of HP to trigger Meatbone Slash more often, which is some nice out of the box thinking. I think Defense Up/Magic Defense Up/Unyielding would roughly achieve the same thing more safely. In any case, congratulations on winning the first match Woodenbandman. Your mad hobos have to fight units that are just as stab happy. Real spooky Black Op type guys in fact.
First off, I haven't gotten to say this yet, but I think Platina Sword/Parry Blade + Leather Mantle is a strong combination. As for Yell, I remember way back in 1.3 (the patch Arena is based off of) when Yell in it's modern form was invented, the math was done demonstrating that Yell was ultimately an inefficient way of spreading Haste because it's single target nature meant by the time said Yell unit gave Haste to everyone, Haste had already expired on another unit. In my opinion Yell should only be used alongside Haste/Haste 2
TheJonin big downfall was his unnecessarily high Fury. Without that necessary physical resistance, Torgo's 900 year old caveman and fainting two swording bimbo damaged them way too easily. Even Arch Hall Jr. put some hurt on with Bloody Strings. I also think if you're going to give your Cursed Priest Equip Armor (actually wasn't too bad, some form of self healing was needed) you should get Gold Armor as it protects you from Seal Evil/Consecration, especially if you're going to lean on Esuna exclusively without any other form of Petrify curing or status cleaning in general.
Torgo, your next opponent is a real triple threat, between a Repel Tail Ninja, the one among many Katar Thieves, and a mini-Elmdor, you have a quite a handful for your next fight.
I liked both of these teams. Between high damage Elementals and a solid Lore team, both were pretty well built teams. Andante's Time Magic Chemist's low faith wasn't as detrimental as I thought it would. Slow 2's accuracy was still good enough to connect reliably, Sinkhole's accuracy is a little iffy, but Comet doesn't care about Faith. The only spell that really suffered was Haste, and that's partially because it sucks right now because of it's bad accuracy. And in the grand scheme of things, it was inconsequential that you were missing Hastes because you weren't missing Slows. I think that you should drop Mythril Gun for Romanda Gun because the +range and damage is more helpful than trying to make Haste hit more.
As for JamesOnyx's side, I think your Black Magic Samurai could have used Nether Water instead so that she wouldn't be unnecessary vulnerable to magic and still output good damage minus the nifty dispel bonus. I also think not having Murasame Draw Out was a big mistake. Personally, I would have dropped Masamune for Murasame because it would have helped way more than Masamune, especially with MA Save support.
17 * 1.25 = 21.25 21 * 4/3 = 28 (8 + 2) / 2 = 5 28 * 5 = 140 So yeah CT5, his damage output was making sense. His damage just dropped every time he cast on a non elemental panel.
QuoteThe Water/Lore combo is definitely scary, didn't think my team had a shot in the tie breaker. Good luck in the loser's bracket, I'll most likely be down there soon too.
*looks at Barren's team and shudders*
You might actually have a decent chance. Raise 2 eliminates the Cursed Ring units, and your hard hitting Elemental will punch through Main Gauche Mediator. It's just a race to kill everyone before Cursed Ring kicks in.
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Post by: Barren on July 06, 2013, 04:50:56 pm
Well Andante, its like Doku said, its a race against the clock pretty much when you face me. So hopefully your team can eat mine quicker before my RNG based offense overwhelms you
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Post by: Gaignun on July 06, 2013, 05:33:30 pm
I hereby proclaim that whichever team beats mine will require a nerf.
Also, condolences in advance to Barren for having to cast Dokurider's matches. Those matches are going to be long.
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Post by: woodenbandman on July 06, 2013, 07:36:28 pm
Please note that my team is called the Justice Hobos
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 07, 2013, 06:30:07 pm
(Ugh. I meant to post this last night, but my commentary on the very first round of the tournament got a bit...out of hand.)
So noted, woodenbandman.
My team is officially called "The Sleep Is Too Damn High!"--not that anyone cares.
Hmmm...I just realized that I can do some things when I'm recording my matches for the tournament on my own channel depending on how Losers' turns out. Hmmm....
*muses on this*
Anyway, now that the Preliminaries are finished, I'll do commentary that doesn't repeat what I've already said on Youtube. The first of these ended up being extremely long and it's less "match commentary" and more "hostile team takeover". I "apologize" if the tone of it comes off (too) harsh as well, though I'm not saying any of this stuff to be malicious--just trying to help while being perhaps too blunt about things as per usual:
For the record, since I still think EmmaNigma's name is female-sounding, I'm going to use female pronouns for "her"; my apologies if you are actually male, Riddler's Daughter.
Anyway, here woodenbandman won because all of his units do more damage, his Dancer does actually great damage and EmmaNigma essentially walked into the match up with only three units due to how Idiot Wind was set up. Also, EmmaNigma's whole team has...issues, which is why this got so absurdly large.
Speaking of the Chemist, not having armor, Draw Out Secondary and having Flash Hat with a Spellgun was a rather large problem, if I can understate things. As I said on Youtube, the Flash Hat thing I can perhaps understand if it was an attempt to exploit the "Innocent = Faith and Faith = Innocent" glitch from vanilla that everyone forgot about until CT5Holy brutally reminded us with Muramasa & the -ton Ninjutsu around 1.34. That got fixed by FFMaster in the next patch. (That or being under mistaken impression that the 70 Faith would apply even over Flash Hat's Innocent, which I suppose is also understandable.)
I guess I could even understand it as attempt to further the chances of Meatbone Slash going off, though if that's the case, then really another non-Spellgun gun would have been more appropriate, like Mythril Gun.
The lack of armor bit, though, was a real...enigma. [/gets hit by Throw Stone]
I guess Dokurider's guess is...a reasonable one, especially if she wanted Maintenance on that unit, which I always find it nice to see someone else use. (This since it makes me look less paranoid. Oh, who am I kidding? Nothing makes me look less paranoid, even when my paranoia is actually appropriate.)
That said, given Meatbone Slash is dependent on HP, even if her having the lowest HP of the team was necessary (which it isn't), that's rather counterproductive. It also probably doesn't help that she's on the same team as a Summoner with their utterly crap HP if that's the case.
Really, if you wanted to keep Maintenance for her, then you would have likely been better served by going with Chivalry Secondary for Nurse and/or Iron Will or another secondary. If you really wanted Draw Out, then Kiyomori & Masamune would probably be the best way to go. This is evidenced by how little damage Draw Out was doing despite Idiot Wind having neutral or good compatibility with all of woodenbandman's team since Chemist's MA is middling. A better Secondary definitely would have helped even with the Flash Hat & Spellgun issue.
Finally, when it comes to Idiot Wind, it doesn't exact help matter she still has a whooping 1,250 JP unused. This even though she has no Movement AND has Item as a skill set. I can understand not using up some leftover JP even if you can. For example, Park Place purposely had 150 JP leftover--before CT5Holy reminded me I had forgotten to count opening up Paladin for Counter--simply because other skills would have been "distracting" to the A.I.. Item is one of the few skill sets, however, where you can buy pretty much everything in it and still have the A.I. act competently and use what you want when you want them to.
Of course, the JP problem kind plagues the whole team aside from the Monk: the Summoner has 750 left she could still use (on healing and revival) and the Archer has a whooping 1,100 left (that would probably be at 1400 since she really doesn't need Cover Fire given she has basically no MP). I'm rather puzzled as to why this is. I could understand if EmmaNegima was confused and thought that RSMs were only allowed from the two jobs a unit was using...but the Archer has Chrono Trigger from Time Mage instead of Speed Save from Archer, which completely nixes that idea. So...?
Speaking of the Summoner, Counter Flood is like...the worst possible Reaction on a Summoner, especially a female Summoner, given that Summoner has the worst PA of all classes; even Brave Up would be better, actually. Despite their high MA, Summoners are pretty much garbage with everything in the Elemental skill set, RSMs included, save for Equip Shield; the same goes for Wizards and Time Mages. On top of that, given the Summons used, even after it's rightly nerfed in 1.39, Golden Hairpin would still be way better than Holy Miter (without Prismatic Rod) due to Strengthen: Holy & Dark and the amount of MP it gives. That it gives quite a bit of MP is important what with not having Move-MP Up, Carbunkle, MP Restore or Absorb MP (and would still be even if you do have those since Summons are expensive MP-wise).
Regardless, Ether just does not cut it for the sheer amount of MP Summoner uses unless said Summoner is using Half of MP. Similarly, trying to use Counter Flood just for status procs is...tempting, but unless you really have no other choice for a Reaction for some reason, then you should really forgo it unless you can actually do decent damage with it. ("Decent" is subjective of course, especially since in this instance you don't have to worry about out-damaging Auto Potion. I'd personally say that 60 or more is at least "decent".)
In addition to all that, only one unit on this team has revival and it's the most fragile (possibly by intention) unit while the only unit with Reraise is in a class with the worst HP possible (and really should have revival & Silence protection anyway).
To be blunt, this team is easily the worst one in the tournament. Not that this is any personal failing, especially since it's just a game for fun, or that woodenbandman's team, The Justice Hobos, won solely because of it--it sure as hell helped though. And, hey, EmmaNegima at least has an excuse being an utter newbie; I'm pretty sure my team for last non-SCC tournament was one of the worst teams in that, if not the worst, though it "helped" that I didn't really didn't care about it.
The egregiousness of it, however, is actually kind of helpful as an example of what not to do and how even things like this can be "easily" fixed with some thought. So, since I'm being such an asshole already, let's take that into maximum overdrive:
Here's what I'd personally fix (without just outright changing unit's primary classes) with explanations why. (I'm sure there are better fixes since I personally think I'm rubbish with teams most of time, but, hey, all the better really.)
Primary Palette - Something that isn't Purple. Alternate Palette - #2 Blue
Position: Since the Chemist's "job", beyond being a healer and shooting things up with Blast Gun, is to get knocked into Critical and kill or at least cripple with Meatbone Slash, she should really be the first unit. It also helps that since her HP is going to be higher than the Summoner almost by default, that she should be as far away from the more "tempting" (read: lower HP) unit on her team as possible when starting out. Being first also helps her resurrecting abilities, even though she's still slower than the Archer.
Zodiac: Changed to Taurus from Pisces for good compatibility with Summoner & Archer, though the former could somewhat backfire if she gets charmed since she'll probably OHKO the Summoner even without 108 Gems. Given she has Pilgrimage, she'd probably OHKO the Summoner after a while even with Worst compat.--Cancer--though, and Raise already hits at 100% on the Summoner, so it's possibly acceptable. Still, Neutral with the Summoner could be best, especially if also given Best with the Monk. (This means also changing the Chemist to Capricorn.)
Secondary: I was going to initially go with Chivalry as I mentioned above for Iron Will before I realized that a) Nurse is relatively redundant to X-Potion unless you're wearing enough armor to get her above 360 HP and b) Iron Will was the only useful thing in Chivalry for this unit. Granted, Reraise could have also been useful, but the A.I. can be kind of stupid about using that (instead of healing) and it's only so abusive without Move-MP Up. The same with Nurse giving Regen and that not really being quite that worth it compared to other things she could be doing; this even before the fact that A.I. kind of...obsesses over Nurse between it healing and adding Defending, which doesn't help the Chemist anyway.
So instead she got White Magic for an Iron Will that can be shared at 100% in the spell Wall, even if Wall otherwise kinda sucks in 1.38d; it's getting a boost in 1.39. She also gets access to a form of resurrection that brings back more HP while still basically being 100% and that plays off her new Movement. It helps that Chemist and Priest have the exact same MP, so even without access to Robes, she can still cast a decent amount of spells when she needs to.
Movement: Given Pilgrimage is part of what makes Spellguns extra stupid currently.
Hat: Because Flash Hat just doesn't work with Spellguns and because Green Beret has the exact same stats, only with special attributes that are actually useful to this type of unit.
Clothes: And because Meatbone Slash really needs more HP to work off while Earth Clothes are currently the only clothes that give any MP at all. Brigandine, Santa Outfit or Black Costume would also be acceptable; I wouldn't recommend any of the other Clothes though, including Rubber Costume, at least with the present accessory.
Accessory: Given that current Defense Ring is kinda overpowered and blocking Silence is "necessary". She could probably do without an accessory that blocks Silence given Echo Grass, though that's really there more for canceling Berserk on others than anything else, which is why Defense Ring is there instead of, say, Magic Ring. As such, Reflect Ring and Dracula Mantle are also acceptable, even those are both slightly counter to her "wanting" to get hit. I suppose 108 Gems would also be acceptable if you wanted to have even more power overall, especially from the get-go. 108 Gems would also help make sure that she doesn't get killed by Poison and thus has to be killed directly (or by a counter), which helps Meatbone Slash; with Antidote, that's not going to happen anyway though unless she also gets Don't Acted (by Kagesougi), so....
Abilities: As already stated, the Chemist had a bunch of leftover JP and there's really no excuse to not use up that JP, especially with Item, even if you want her flying across the field and destroying everything. Best to prepared at least. As such, she essentially has access to every Item now except for Phoenix Down, which became redundant with Raise. Still, if worried about Raise missing due to half of the team having 40 Faith (even though it still has pretty good odds), then Cure can be dropped for getting that back.
It should be noted, though, that even with Worst compat. on the Summoner, the Chemist still has a 89% chance of Raising the Summoner even before Pilgrimage starts increasing Faith. So, really, it's more an issue of making sure that Fairy can reliably resurrect the Chemist than vice versa.
Wall has already been explained. Cure is just there because it a) benefits from Pilgrimage, meaning it should eventually out-heal X-Potion even on the 40 Faith units, b) gives additional AoE healing, c) is extremely quick and d) can be used by a Chemist without falling prey to Poison like too many other White Magic users. (Also, it's because Cure 2 kinda sucks presently and you don't have the JP for Cure 3.)
Finally, I guess you could go with Esuna if you're paranoid about Charm, since the A.I. usually will un-Charm itself with Esuna unless it can kill an ally or resurrect an enemy. Given she has a spellgun & can probably OHKO the Summoner in all circumstances and has resurrection, however, that may not be optimal. Still, she could stand to lose Bandage and either Cure or Antidote if Esuna is really wanted and Esuna will only get more accurate the more the match drags on.
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Mollusk Male Cancer 70 40 Monk Ninjitsu HP Restore Overwhelm Warpath FS Bag
Sex: Changed from Female to Male given you don't see female Monks for a reason unless they have Dance secondary. Even then, the only reason they aren't obviated by Dancers with Punch Art is because of Headband exclusivity. Still, female Monks are unfortunately markedly inferior to male Monks in terms of PA, which is all-important to Punch Art, and their MA isn't even that much better. This even if you're paranoid about the Archer getting Charmed and then Charming the Monk right after that. (Said paranoid is partly why, on my team for this tournament, my Oracle is Male instead of Female.)
Weapon: Even if the A.I. can be stupid about attacking with bags, Monks tend to be the least stupid about it so long as they have Repeating Fist (and are on even ground with their target). The boost from FS Bag is rather noticeable given half of Monk's abilities are still, unfortunately, quadratic and thus heavily reliant on PA; the +2 PA also boosts everything they have save for Secret Fist (which is almost exclusively used by units with Punch Art Secondary rather than actual Monks anyway).
Clothing: Vanish Mantle has immunity to Water, which means that a) the Monk couldn't heal herself with Suiton even with Rubber Costume and b) Rubber Costume is really only absorbing Lightning. If you really want to keep Vanish Mantle (and Earth Slash), then the Clothes used should be Earth Clothes. Otherwise, Power Sleeve or Black Costume would work, if less well; Santa Outfit is disqualified for reasons similar to Rubber Costume. The extra MP from Earth Clothes also helps considering Shuriken & the -tons are a bit expensive (for a physical class).
Alternately, you could sub out Vanish Mantle for 108 Gems and keep Rubber Clothes, though you of course lose a lot of physical evasion and all of your magic(k)al evasion, even with 40 Faith, could be bad.
Abilities: Wave Fist gets kicked out because the Monk already has Earth Slash and Shuriken. No need to have Wave Fist on top of both of those, especially now that the Monk has Chakra to heal his MP (and HP). He got Stigma Magic because he could since it's really, really good, especially with Chakra Band; it basically makes the unit immune to Charm alongside curing (too many) other things. In an AoE. Instantly. Did I mention it's really, really good and possibly overpowered (again)?
The Monk lost Suiton for Meiton due to Thief Hat halving Earth, Wind & Water currently; this even if Thief Hat is often found in the company of Black Costume and/or Cursed Ring, which renders Meiton moot. Still, it's better than being "walled" by one item.
Of course, given the -tons are kinda...underwhelming (and interchangeable) right now unless paired with Flash Hat or Gokuu Rod (or lots of PA-boosting), you could lose Whatever-ton & Spin Fist (which usually is mediocre at best anyway) and get Revive.
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Matryoshika Female Virgo 70 40 Archer Steal Speed Save Concentrate Move-HP UP Mythril Bow
Reaction: I can understand wanting more Speed on an already fast unit, especially without whoring out the soon-to-be-finally dead Quickening. (She could get off two of them, though, and be at 14 Sp even before MP Restoring, but meh.) Dipping into Time Mage solely for Chrono Trigger, however, really isn't worth it. Maybe if you also wanted Float Movement and/or Time Magic too, but then the Archer has no way of healing herself and, again, doesn't have the MP for very much.
Support: ...It's Concentrate. Also, it benefits Weapon Break and Speed Ruin.
Movement: As aforementioned, if she's knocked into Critical, with no way of healing herself, she'll just retreat and spend the rest of the match in the corner if she doesn't get healed. You generally want to avoid that in most instances if so possible, so while not restoring her HP for any great amount, Move-HP UP means she'll eventually get back in the fight of her own accord if no one else can heal her.
Accessory: Defense Ring served no purpose unless you were really paranoid about Berserk or Sleep (or Death Sentence), especially since you'd have no more Water to absorb without Suiton. If you still want Absorption, then just go with Diamond Armlet, which has the added benefit of blocking Slow. If you're paranoid about Berserk because it makes the A.I. act like a complete idiot when it comes to distance weapons in most instances, then there's Reflect Ring, which slightly boosts Steal Heart and which Haste 2 doesn't care about. If you're paranoid about Sleep, then there's Chantage, which comes with Reraise. I went with Angel Ring because it both has Reraise and is the only accessory to block Blind, which now negates Concentrate (which really should probably be noted in the Master Guide now that I think about it...). The Archer's accessory slot is pretty flexible otherwise though. Hell, you could even go with Sprint Shoes (since Cursed Ring is currently rightfully losing +1 Sp going in 1.39) if you want to make her even faster.
Abilities: Execute goes because it gets made redundant by Concentrate, especially since I'm pretty sure it doesn't get around Projectile Guard given it's technically weapon-based. Cover Fire goes because she's only able to fire it twice, it competes with Speed Ruin (or Quickening) in MP use and hers does paltry damage even at its maximum. I can understand the want of some AoE on any team, but you have to make sure your AoE is actually, you know, good--that's often more difficult than it seems though, so it's not like you're alone there.
Lack of any real MP is also part of the reason she didn't get Hawk's Eye or Quickening, though the latter is still of course serviceable. It's arguable about whether it's outright better than Concentrated Speed Ruin though, given Speed Ruin benefits everyone, not just the Archer. Quickening probably would be better, however, while it's still around given how stupidly broken it is. Still, Speed Ruin does give her a way to get around Projectile Guard that Quickening doesn't.
Regardless, she gets Weapon Break since I figure if she's going to fly around the field, she might as well be as assholish as possible and (try to) destroy most units' weapons. Most non-Faith-based units and even some Faith-based ones are rather reliant on their weapons and yet no one really uses Maintenance with any regularity, even my paranoid self. Destroying weapons also helps out everyone else on the team beyond the "take less damage" thing since it means people have to get close to the Monk and Chemist, who are deadly up-close for differing reasons; it also gives both those units more time to walk around and build up power. The Summoner benefits from less damage too of course, especially if it's a spell-gun, but otherwise there's no special benefit for her outside of being able to activate MP Restore more often; I'm sure the Summoner appreciates dying less though. Maybe.
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Lucinda Female Capicorn 40 70 Summoner Time Magic MP Restore Short Charge Float Wizard Rod
Zodiac: Changed from Scorpio so that she has Best compat. with the Monk now, which allows for Fairy to have a great chance of hitting him (89%) even with his 40 Faith. Also makes it so that she can hit the female Archer with a relatively good chance too (80%) even with her 40 Faith. Similarly, if the Monk had/has Revive, he's basically guaranteed to be able to resurrect her as long as she's on even ground.
Secondary: Changed from the useless-to-Summoners Elemental secondary to Time Magic secondary for all of one spell (and Movement), but that's already more worth it given she had no active Elemental abilities anyway and Move-HP Up was healing for crap on her.
Reaction: Changed for reasons similar to above, though here it was so she wouldn't have to spend JP on Carbunkle or Move-MP UP (or Absorb MP).
Movement: Changed for reasons similar to above, with Float being generally underrated and useful to make sure that the Monk doesn't accidentally "nuke" her, due to Charm or otherwise, with Earth Slash; like the Chemist, he might have otherwise done that instead of curing himself of Charm with Stigma Magic if could kill her. Float generally also helps avoid a good deal of other powerful things, including less "friendly" Earth Slashes and the haxiness of Local Quake, and not having to worry about terrain is also good.
Hat: Changed for aforementioned reasons. It's really not that noticeable a drop in Bahamut while being a noticeable increase in damage for both Odin & Cyclops even without another MA-boosting accessory.
Accessory: Honestly, I was just going to go with Defense Ring here before the Chemist got it since, like Golden Hairpin, it's a bit overpowered in its current form as already said. One could easily go with Magic Ring instead though, if they don't care about blocking Sleep and/or Berserk, especially since that would boost Bahamut back up to the Holy Miter levels and boost Odin & Cyclops even more. Also, absorbing Holy & Wind isn't too shabby, especially on someone with 70 Faith.
Other MA-boosting accessories, sans maybe Red Shoes given the A.I.'s tendency to charge forward idiotically, would also probably be acceptable. Of them, despite it being underwhelming, Genji Gauntlet is probably the "best" alternate since it gives the fragile Summoner some M-EV that she otherwise completely lacks.
Abilities: Given the Summoner really needs to be a support unit even with the damage she can do, she needs both healing and resurrection, especially since the Chemist on this team is a tad suicidal by design. So Moogle & Fairy are "mandatory", even with half of the team having 40 Faith.
As for Time Magic, well, that was solely for Haste 2. With the Summoner last now and having Short Charge, she'll be able to Haste everyone on the team in one-go usually since she hits everyone for 100% due to compatibility even with 40 Faith. This is part of the reason why I was comfortable with the Archer losing Chrono Trigger since the Summoner can step up and give her Haste assuredly now.
Unfortunately, Time Magic as a whole is rather expensive JP-wise, which is "bad" when combined with the also expensive JP-wise Summoner class. The expense is clear when you can "only" get six abilities despite staying entirely in-class RSM-wise. Still, Time Magic's JP costs are being reduced in 1.39. I'd most likely use the extra 50 JP gotten back from Haste 2's reduction to get Comet, especially with Auto Potion getting nerfed a bit.
Of course, you could still get another 100 JP spell now, but it should probably be a Summon Magic spell. Haste & Slow currently suck, with the former being redundant, and Don't Move can have uses, but the Summoner should be "nuking" things when she's not healing, reviving or Hasting. Between Ifrit, Shiva & Ramuh, poor Ifrit should probably be avoided, if only because Cursed Ring users almost always wear Black Costumes and they also block Cyclops presently. So it's really between Shiva and Ramuh. Of the two, Ice tends to be the least absorbed element constantly and a Magic Ring user most likely won't be wearing a Santa Outfit (and vice versa), so....
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I was going to just be lazy and essentially make this an Earth-absorb team by giving the Summoner Lore secondary instead, but meh. I figured I'd put some thought into something for once, especially since the only elemental absorb team in the tournament is already Earth-absorb.
Speaking of Earth-absorb, TheJonin mainly lost because everyone on Torgo's team hits pretty hard, while hitting pretty fast, pretty far and healing. Meanwhile, TheJonin's team more wants to take its time, as is especially obvious with a non-Quickening Cursed Ring user, but unfortunately every unit has 70/70 when they really didn't need them; this is compounded only by the fact that none of them have M-EV at all despite the 70 Faith or any real P-EV. Additionally, TheJonin couldn't get anything off between Torgo's Quake being CT 1, Throw Stones and missing Charms. Basically, rocks fell (or got thrown) and everyone on TheJonin's otherwise decent-on-paper team died. (The Priest's set up is...really odd, at least equipment-wise since I don't understand why Equip Armor is there--the other units are all at least theoretically decent.)
Not much else to say except to repeat what I said on Youtube in that Platinum Sword does more damage than I thought it would. Of course, the critical somewhat skews that, which is part of why I'm still skeptical about it; also, it's Dancer. Their skill set may have horrible issues, but they do scary damage when they're actually attacking.
Amusingly, while possibly becoming more respectful of Platinum Sword, this match made me realize just how much Parry Edge currently sucks though. Even with Two Swords, a Mantle and Abandon it didn't boost the Dancer's evasion by as much as I thought it would. Geez. It seems like she might have been better off going with Equip Shield then, especially since Escutcheon II would have made her M-EV go through the roof.
Parry Edge might suck even more than the current Yell, which is...saying something.
Oh well. We'll see how much Two Swords works for her damage when she isn't OHKO'ing people as it is with just Platinum Sword.
This was a really good match, especially given both combatants are first timers. Despite Punch Art being weak on the Geomancer, which is an easy mistake to make given Punch Art's quadratic formulas make it either pathetic or destroy faces with almost no middle ground, I think that unit wasn't the weakest link on JamesOnyx's team.
Instead, to me, the Samurai not having Murasame is ultimately what contributed to the loss, especially since she had MA Save (as Dokurider also commented). Having Masamune is all well and good, but even as overpowered as that thing is, it's usually only really abusive when you have either two Masamune users or at least another Haste-inflicting user. Otherwise the Masamune unit likely ends up wasting three of its actions using Masamune on other units. (This whether or not you want everyone on the team to be Hasted & Regened).
You also saw that the A.I. has the unfortunate issue of often Masamune itself it rather than actually healing once it's resurrected with less than full HP. Not that the Samurai actually had access to self-healing, which was the problem. Murasame also would have helped immensely with two other units having Distribute given the A.I. will gladly Murasame allies while healing itself even if they aren't hurt.
Otherwise, the Samurai's set-up was fine I suppose even with a relative lack of MP and I'd say that Andante49 ultimately won just because his Draw Out user was sturdier by comparison. They both did really good damage, but the Black Magic Woman ran out of steam too quickly in terms of both HP and MP. It also helped that Andante49's Geomancer hit harder than JamesOnyx's Geomancer overall, even if she kept dying first.
Regardless, always nice to see the relatively unused Giant Axe, the katana Chirijiraden and Bahamut be used and used well, especially in a relatively close match.
Good first attempt everyone.
Notic(e)able EDIT: Man, I am abysmal at spelling "-able" words correctly. Regardless, I clarified some syntax and fixed about three dozens or so mostly small omissions or typos, most in the first commentary.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 07, 2013, 08:18:19 pm
I love the Dammed's analyses of teams, they're so educational
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 07, 2013, 10:48:37 pm
No need to finish the tournament I already know how it ends.
Dokurider wins the tournament. (http://challonge.com/S2PREDICTION)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TheJonin on July 07, 2013, 11:02:49 pm
The oddities of my team are pretty easily explained- I wasn't going to enter but saw 31 teams with 20 minutes til the deadline and, well, here I am..! With enough leftover JP for a full 5th unit...
Tried out Cursed Ring because I never have, ditto Equip Armor, and gave her Charm to see if it would be effective. Sadly I still don't know :P
I'm also curious if AI units will work together- I have Zombie and Seal Evil and would like to see them attempt to combo them.
Simply had no idea I was setting myself up for increased damage with my Fury levels, or that I can't use Two Hands with Iron Fan as intended. Still, not overly disappointed with my team and future builds will only get better :)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 08, 2013, 12:52:10 am
(I see. Understandable.)
Well it's nice to know at least one person suffered through all that. Thank you, Malroth.
Dokurider wins the tournament. (http://challonge.com/S2PREDICTION)
Hmmm...I find your lack of faith in me...appropriate.
May the Fixed Dice be with you.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: JamesOnyx on July 08, 2013, 01:18:34 am
Quote from: TheJonin on July 07, 2013, 11:02:49 pm The oddities of my team are pretty easily explained- I wasn't going to enter but saw 31 teams with 20 minutes til the deadline and, well, here I am..! With enough leftover JP for a full 5th unit...
You're not alone, although I probably had around a hour to a hour and a half. Wish I would have been able to test it out some but... oh well, what's done is done.
I'm pretty sure units with consecrate and seal evil try going for them as often as possible, the A.I. love petrify. But spreading zombie isn't as much of a priority sadly, so the combo falls a little flat. But with how popular curse ring is, it doesn't hurt to have seal evil on a character.
This was a really good match, especially given both combatants are first timers. Despite Punch Art being weak on the Geomancer, which is an easy mistake to make given Punch Art's quadratic formulas make it either pathetic or destroy faces with almost no middle ground, I think that unit wasn't the weakest link on JamesOnyx's team.
Instead, to me, the Samurai not having Murasame is ultimately what contributed to the loss, especially since she had MA Save (as Dokurider also commented). Having Masamune is all well and good, but even as overpowered as that thing is, it's usually only really abusive when you have either two Masamune users or at least another Haste-inflicting user. Otherwise the Masamune unit likely ends up wasting three of its actions using Masamune on other units. (This whether or not you want everyone on the team to be Hasted & Regened).
You also saw that the A.I. has the unfortunate issue of often Masamune itself it rather than actually healing once it's resurrected with less than full HP. Not that the Samurai actually had access to self-healing, which was the problem. Murasame also would have helped immensely with two other units having Distribute given the A.I. will gladly Murasame allies while healing itself even if they aren't hurt.
Otherwise, the Samurai's set-up was fine I suppose even with a relative lack of MP and I'd say that Andante49 ultimately won just because his Draw Out user was sturdier by comparison. They both did really good damage, but the Black Magic Woman ran out of steam too quickly in terms of both HP and MP. It also helped that Andante49's Geomancer hit harder than JamesOnyx's Geomancer overall, even if she kept dying first.
Regardless, always nice to see the relatively unused Giant Axe, the katana Chirijiraden and Bahamut be used and used well, especially in a relatively close match.
Good first attempt everyone.
You know what's depressing with all of you guys saying my samurai should have had murasame instead of masamune, I accidentally sent him my first list with murasame instead of masamune. I realized the mistake and asked him to fix it... I should have left it alone xD
My team actually had a lot of weaknesses I needed to address. A squishy White Mage (the only true reviver), a lackluster Geomancer, and some bad decisions on my Samurai are just a few of them. The Samurai's water came in handy quite a bit for those matches, but she's too heavily relying on it.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 08, 2013, 02:12:13 pm
Sorry for the delay everyone, I just bought a new lap top and I do have my recorded matches on my USB. My old one had lagging problems when recording ePSXe 1.6 with Camtasia Studio. I will try my best to get the rest of the matches for Round 1 before the end of the week asap
in the mean time
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 4 - Avalanche vs woodenbandman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlJ4HzNbE90&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Avalanche on July 08, 2013, 02:39:11 pm
pretty much all abilities on my Team, other than item, are useless or even counter productive. Ok i knew about refute on innocence and i wanted to change the flash hat, but i simply forgott to do that. Also i thought repel knife had a 50% chance to inflict haste & dont act, rather than 50% haste and 50% dont act. So pretty bad designed Team, nevertheless it should not be underestimated.
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Post by: woodenbandman on July 08, 2013, 03:07:30 pm
Why on earth is dance allowed to trigger auto potion?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 08, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
Wiznaibus inflicts physical damage based on the dancer's PA so it can trigger auto potion or damage split because you are hurting the opponents
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Post by: The Damned on July 08, 2013, 06:16:05 pm
(Good to know Barren.)
As usual, there is no need to apologize or anything.
Hmmm...I'm tempted to do match commentary now, but considering how hideously behind I am on everything. I'll wait either until I get things done or my own match-up against Otabo is finished since that's next anyway.
Quote from: JamesOnyx on July 08, 2013, 01:18:34 amI'm pretty sure units with consecrate and seal evil try going for them as often as possible, the A.I. love petrify. But spreading zombie isn't as much of a priority sadly, so the combo falls a little flat. But with how popular curse ring is, it doesn't hurt to have seal evil on a character.
Basically. The A.I. tends to only go Zombie if either a) it can't otherwise really damage the target or b) it happens to be able to intercept a healing-based spell that's charging on the target. If the A.I. could actually see reactions, then I would bet that it would also focus on casting Zombie on people with Auto Potion too.
As such, this is why Necromonicon tends to be popular on Zombie-based teams since you get damage and a potential Zombie, even if it's only at 33%.
As for Consecrate, it actually sucks against Cursed Ring for the most part and should only be used on Zombie-inflicting teams, making it even more niche than Seal Evil.
Quote from: JamesOnyx on July 08, 2013, 01:18:34 am You know what's depressing with all of you guys saying my samurai should have had murasame instead of masamune, I accidentally sent him my first list with murasame instead of masamune. I realized the mistake and asked him to fix it... I should have left it alone xD
Ha. That's amusing.
It's not even like it's a huge mistake or even an egregious one given Masamune is powerful in its own right. It just that unsupported, Murasame is better, at least in this situation and it's just what ended up making the key difference in the match-up. It also more noticeable than it might otherwise be given your Samurai also has MA Save, which does nothing for Masamune but makes Murasame (even more) absurd. If your Samurai had like HP Restore or Speed Save or Absorb MP or something else, then Masamune might actually have been better.
Quote from: JamesOnyx on July 08, 2013, 01:18:34 am My team actually had a lot of weaknesses I needed to address. A squishy White Mage (the only true reviver), a lackluster Geomancer, and some bad decisions on my Samurai are just a few of them. The Samurai's water came in handy quite a bit for those matches, but she's too heavily relying on it.
Well at least you realize that. Given it's basically your first team, it's all the more understandable too.
Outside of few people like Jumza or xyzqwv, when it comes to first teams, people's are usually rather...rough, especially with the oft-idiotic, sometimes-brilliant A.I. at helm meaning just having one too many moves can screw-up your entire strategy.
Well at least you remembered that. I had totally forgotten (again) given how easy it is (for me) to get distracted by Refute canceling Charging & Performing when it shouldn't, so I kinda dodged a bullet by my own Archer not having enough JP leftover for Refute.
Uh, it does. Contrary to what I thought for a while, since you asked CT5Holy, Repel Knife does seem to be working as it should. So it will add 50% Haste & Don't Act if neither is blocked, 50% Don't Act if Haste is blocked (read: if the target is a Phoenix Blade user) or only 50% Haste if the target blocks Don't Act (which is what happened against woodenbandman's Squire, who has Wizard Mantle).
So...yeah, it's actually a pretty good weapon. Sorry for confusing you, CT5Holy. I just wasn't sure what happened when I used, but I guess Dokurider's team had block: Don't Act at the time and I just didn't see it. That it was acting oddly but FFMaster fixed it.
It's because Wiznaibus is too sexy for its shirt; Wiznaibus is so sexy it hurts.
...I mean, what Barren said. Well, that and it's been the same way since vanilla and is, presumably, difficult to change what triggers Auto Potion. Not that I think anyone's really looked, partly because Wiznaibus (with, of course, Mimes) used to terrorize people a couple of patch versions ago and Auto Potion (& HP Restore) was the only thing that really stood against it. So...yeah.
Like we've been talking about in the balance thread off and on, Wiznaibus has serious issues as a whole.
But, yeah, if something was "odd" in vanilla, like Steal Accessory triggering Countergrasp abilities, then there's a chance it's still "odd" in ARENA at present unless it made something broken, like the aforementioned "Innocent = Faith & Faith = Innocent" for Unfaith abilities glitch that initially made Whatever-ton blow up everything the katana Muramasa touched.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 09, 2013, 09:56:40 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 5 - The Damned vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CziCDDcMVk&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 6 - the frisky dingo vs Jumza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctAzxFIdjjQ&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 7 - Shadowstrike vs DarkxFatal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZk5ZlPz7Dk&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 09, 2013, 02:10:10 pm
Just a heads up the next set of matches that will be up tomorrow while the emulator on my laptop works better than it did before the sound isn't as good because of the internal microphone array that is installed in my laptop. So I ordered a dual splitter that has a headphone and microphone jack and that won't come in until next week.
So I apologize in advance if the sound isn't perfect by any means but otherwise the speed of the videos are much much better
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Post by: Dol on July 09, 2013, 03:34:06 pm
No worries Barren. Thanks for the matches so far!
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Post by: Wiz on July 09, 2013, 03:36:43 pm
Idk if this matters, but my team's been updated in the OP for the hosts. Before, it was submitted incorrectly, so hopefully this fixes things in advance.
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Post by: Barren on July 09, 2013, 10:23:43 pm
I have your updated team. You're set to go
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 09, 2013, 11:37:07 pm
As a note for the other vid recorders, all of the units on Reks' team should have 40 Fury/70 Faith. I noticed one of the units incorrectly had 70/40, which has been fixed.
Also, I plan to start uploading the vids I've recorded for Round 1 as I will be away for the weekend. I'm thinking to start uploading a few tomorrow. Any objections/do people mind if the matches might be out of order, depending if Barren finishes recording/uploading his vids?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 10, 2013, 12:19:50 am
Quote from: CT5Holy on July 09, 2013, 11:37:07 pm As a note for the other vid recorders, all of the units on Reks' team should have 40 Fury/70 Faith. I noticed one of the units incorrectly had 70/40, which has been fixed.
Also, I plan to start uploading the vids I've recorded for Round 1 as I will be away for the weekend. I'm thinking to start uploading a few tomorrow. Any objections/do people mind if the matches might be out of order, depending if Barren finishes recording/uploading his vids?
I personally don't mind, CT5Holy.
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Post by: Garland on July 10, 2013, 01:15:02 am
No worries here CT5.
While I'm on here.....spell guns. Ugh. I would rather they were out altogether, but they definitely need a nerf at least if that isn't on the table. I'm aware there's a balance thread but seems to belong here as a direct observation from this particular tournament. I just hate those stupid things, ruins the mood.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 10, 2013, 01:15:16 am
Why'd you pull your parody team? You put tons of work into it.
edit: Umm ok, that post had nothing to do with Season 2, but thanks to this edit it will. I think Shadowstrike v DarkxFatal will be the shortest match in the tournament.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 10, 2013, 03:14:26 am
It makes me sad that I was too late with its creation. :(
I put it back up in the submissions thread, though! Will be tinkering with it later.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 10, 2013, 08:23:06 am
I'm uploading the next set of videos today anyways so CT5Holy you won't have to worry about anything
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 10, 2013, 03:49:25 pm
Your turn CT5Holy! I know the game audio sound on my new lap top is a bit off and quite loud but it does run the emulator much much better. Overall, not perfect but not bad either
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 8 - CT5Holy vs Garland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYmtWEo-bvY&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 9 - LightningHax vs Eternal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZyLJOte9bw&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 10 - Wiz vs Malroth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4C-cRAJJsw&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Malroth on July 10, 2013, 06:50:57 pm
No surprises here Wiz has the strongest team in the tournament by a good margin combined with the luck of the gods. I figured I had about a 30-35% chance of winning any indivual match which put my overall chances of progressing past Wiz in the winners bracket around 15%.
Edit My only regret is that i diddn't get a CT5 holy anylisis of my team
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Post by: Jumza on July 10, 2013, 07:06:08 pm
You put up a great fight in that first round though Malroth, it was fun to watch and I really thought you were going to win. Everything closer to the end just started missing for you and then those Mediators started using berserk... It was a good fight over all, I bet you'll stomp some people in the other bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 10, 2013, 10:07:38 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Gaignun vs Torgo (http://youtu.be/VcbpBahvs8M)
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Dol vs skiploom188 (http://youtu.be/u5Uk2ClDv3s)
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Fanatic vs Dragonblade (http://youtu.be/nTypijjnPl4)
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Post by: Wiz on July 10, 2013, 10:31:49 pm
Wait. Where's Match 11? Angelus vs Dokurider?
CT5's vids are Matches 12-14?
I need to know who wins 11. It'll determine whether I go to the loser's bracket next round or not.
Your odds of pulling off Arm Aim & Weapon breaks were that of roughly coin flips (47-~53%). In order to take R1, you pretty much would've had to land every Head & Weapon Break + Arm Aim, and the odds of that occurring were pretty low. Granted, I dodged 3+ Weapon Breaks in a row with Richter, but I'm certain that was only due to him having Black Costume to absorb the Blaze Gun shot as opposed to Rubber Rubber costume, which he should've had on. Had that been the case, he probably would've been attacked more likely than getting his weapon broken. Nevertheless, you put me on guard for a bit, but only until berserk screwed it all up.
And again, S2 may be the "strongest overall" (That's up for serious debate), but seeing as how Kagesougi Ninjas with Hidden Knives and Attack UP + Cursed Ring Whores are running rampant, I'm certain they're going to get knocked out by one of those glaring counters. Breaks and status inflictors are other options as well, but they're not as difficult to deal with imo (Berserk via Insult with Darkness & Poison thanks to Kiyomori = Incapacitation)
You got a couple of aesthetics mixed up that I noticed, so here they are...
- Charlotte Aulin - Jonathan Morris
^, bold represents the change in name
- Richter Belmont (Thief with Steal Accessory & Echo Grass) has a Rubber Costume, not Black Costume.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 10, 2013, 11:39:18 pm
Wiz
Well as you said in your post that would have changed the outcome of the match so the fairest thing would be to just go with the unit as played and keep your win wrong costume and all since you're not relying on any paticular combination of absorbtions. If the team is changed then We'd have to watch you kill me via poison damage all over agian and nobody wants that.
Edit In order to win I'd have had to get 2x 200+damage Cover fire's that hit 2+ units or a a couple of Armour breaks or greased bolts on your thieves before your second berserk hit, the odds of that are somewhat low but slightly more plausable than relying on the headbreaks and arm aims my units seemed to choose instead.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 10, 2013, 11:56:35 pm
Match 11 is coming tomorrow, I guess CT5Holy just wanted to get the matches done to get things moving along. I forgot that Match 11 was my responsibility. I'll rectify that mistake tomorrow so apologies in advance
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 10, 2013, 11:58:08 pm
You got a couple of aesthetics mixed up that I noticed, so here they are...
- Charlotte Aulin - Jonathan Morris
^, bold represents the change in name
- Richter Belmont (Thief with Steal Accessory & Echo Grass) has a Rubber Costume, not Black Costume.
Got it
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Post by: reinoe on July 10, 2013, 11:58:58 pm
The whole wardrobe malfunction is kinda weird. It doesn't matter this match at all. But there's a slim possibility it could have an effect on matches in the future. Since everyone involved acknowledges that it doesn't have any bearing on this match can't we just correct the Thief's equip with with Rubber Costume now and move on?
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Post by: Barren on July 10, 2013, 11:59:02 pm
But from now on the matches needed to be uploaded in order so things won't get out of hand
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 11, 2013, 12:04:26 am
Quote from: reinoe on July 10, 2013, 11:58:58 pm The whole wardrobe malfunction is kinda weird. It doesn't matter this match at all. But there's a slim possibility it could have an effect on matches in the future. Since everyone involved acknowledges that it doesn't have any bearing on this match can't we just correct the Thief's equip with with Rubber Costume now and move on?
It actually had a pretty great affect on the outcome especially on the first map, 2 units that would have been vunerable to a boosted blaze gun and Demi2 with the new equipment was instead invunerable to those attacks forcing weapon breaks and arm aim's instead.
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Post by: skiploom188 on July 11, 2013, 12:04:04 pm
As expected... Do I make a video out of this? I wish I could :(
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Post by: Barren on July 11, 2013, 05:11:43 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 11 - Angelus vs Dokurider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVALWLirZW8&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Angelus on July 11, 2013, 05:42:50 pm
That I did not inticipate mate. My Double Handed Air Knife Ninja went crazy. But I'm sure Wiz has my number in this one. I don't expect my luck to go on forever. But GG Doku, that was a fun fight
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Post by: The Damned on July 11, 2013, 07:35:04 pm
(Not that I've watched the video yet, but you have my sympathies for having to narrate Dokurider's tournament matches given the nature of his team.)
Not that I've watched any video past the seventh one yet, being a bit too "bummed out" for various reasons over the past two days. Might as well do my match commentary for videos 4-7 first and then try to catch up by tonight.
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 6 - the frisky dingo vs Jumza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctAzxFIdjjQ&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 7 - Shadowstrike vs DarkxFatal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZk5ZlPz7Dk&feature=youtu.be)
I'll do woodenbandman's first since I didn't do that.
Despite Avalanche accidentally sabotaging his own efforts in various ways, including having Refute on the Dancer, he was basically guaranteed to win this just because current Hidden Knife is rather dumb.
With Hidden Knife, Screamin' Larry and friends just kinda got rushed down while having to actually deal with evasion on their own end. Additionally, while Avalanche's team doesn't exactly deal stellar damage, they also got more out of hitting and were guaranteed to hit, while only Gloryholetta--ugh--really had much has much in the way of damage on woodenbandman's team (if you don't have Faith). Maybe if she had Repeating Fist instead of Wiznaibus, then woodenbandman might have won just because she hits pretty damn hard and she wouldn't have wasted her relatively few turns alive activating Auto Potion.
It didn't exactly help woodenbandman's team really hit any status procs, though Avalanche didn't really hit that many either--it just helped that when he did them, it was usually Don't Act.
It's kinda boring the first loser's match is going to be a rematch already and one that woodenbandman's team is almost guaranteed to win.
Ugh. I'm such an idiot, as per usual. Why did I buy Bullrush? The Squire won't kill himself with it, obviously, but he's basically useless now since he won't use anything but that since Bullrush apparently isn't affected by Fury...which I didn't realize until that match. I'd noticed it seemed...off, but I hadn't realized in what aspect.
Sigh. We really need to make a list of what's actually affected by Fury and Faith probably. Regardless, I guess my team is now a good example how having just one extra move can screw up your entire plan, especially when that entire plan is already...dubious; I probably should have gone with that revision of the Ice team since I can't test anything still without bugging Dokurider....
(Also a good example of how Monks' current formulas are...irksome at higher PAs. I'll be so glad when those aren't quadratic anymore.)
Other than being really bummed out about that, my team actually didn't do too poorly, if only because Sleep lasts too damn long. (At least not when it isn't being dispelled by the eternal pain in my ass that is Stigma Magic--why does that cost less JP than Heal and only half as much as Esuna despite being instant again?)
I had forgotten, however, that the A.I. won't use Silence Song unless they can interrupt something, so the Geomancer never got Silenced like I thought she might be considering that Oracle kept going before her due to my stupid Thief Hat. Though even without that, Silence Song still would have been nigh-useless here, if only because I was first before Otabo, so those two would just been "Speed-tied" the entire time.
Speaking of Oracle missteps, I probably should have given him something other than Faith Rod, since that didn't really seem to matter in the grand scheme of things. Probably could have given him another Rod--like Poison Rod--or a Book. Also perhaps should have given him Undead instead of Blind Rage, even if Blind Rage was "helpful".
Shell 2 sure as hell wasn't, but that's only because I never realized just how much of an insane accuracy gap there is between Haste & Slow and Haste 2 & Slow 2. I think even with the Shell on, it was still hitting someone for 100%, which is...absurd, both that it's possible and that I never noticed. So Slow 2 could probably stand to lose some accuracy in 1.39 for all that we're already changing Time Mage around so.
Regardless, for all that kvetching, I can't fault Otabo for having an actually good team, especially since it makes good use of Don't Move. I seriously underestimated just how annoying his Paladin would be. Good game Otabo.
Really not much to say here except that there was less Kagesougi that I expected, especially in the first round due to Jumza's Archers acting...weird up by the altar.
Other than that, even with the frisky dingo getting fortunate enough to hit Death Sentences against the Archers, he could never take them down quickly enough to avoid getting eaten up by Kagesougi. Understandable since he kept getting really unlucky with Kagesougi's stupid Don't Act proc on top having to deal with the current stupidity of Ultimus Bow + Kagesougi + Concentrate in the first place without Projectile Guard to deal with that. This combined with focusing on Jumza's other units, who could also heal themselves for a lot, before the Archers due to their lower HP spelled their doom.
That said, looking at the frisky dingo's team, I somewhat expect my team to gets its ass kicked, if only because he has Stigma Magic and Counter Flood while all I have is bad luck--not the ability--and far more Sleep than him. Still, he doesn't have Maiden's Kiss, so I guess that helps me a lot, especially with my Squire acting stupid.
I hadn't even noticed Shadowstrike's team had three spellguns on it until the first fight of this match. Not really much to say here except stuff like this is exactly why I was wondering why weren't banning stuff like Spellguns or Quickening or Cursed Ring.
Oh well.
Looking at DarkxFatal's team, his team seems decent enough, though it's difficult to tell given what little we saw of it not being in futile healing mode. I'm not quite sure why the Priest is in front or why he's using a Male Wizard if only has Raise instead of Raise 2, but meh.
I probably won't start in on the new matches until like...two and a half hours from now. Maybe.
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Post by: Dokurider on July 11, 2013, 08:26:11 pm
lol I didn't think anyone was carrying DS, let alone I was going up against one. That's pretty much my Fulcrum's only weakness.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 11, 2013, 10:23:01 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Round 1 DomieV vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/7LokwUpY4kY)
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Round 1 Barren vs Andante49 (http://youtu.be/sBF7ANgzdLo)
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Round 1 TrueLight vs Reks (http://youtu.be/YhxVoYagyIY)
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Round 1 iamBQB vs Ahong (http://youtu.be/uWcX35Dcmuk)
Vigilanti vs Zareb will be up tomorrow.
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Post by: reinoe on July 11, 2013, 10:50:31 pm
The mediator gave Berzerk to the worst possible candidate just because Doku's team is deliberately trying to spite my predictions. Does it make me petty to think the A.I. modifies its behavior just to screw me over? So my predicted tournament winner doesn't make it through the first match. Well I suck at predictions, and this tournament confirms it.
I was initially worried about the matchup. Listening to CT5HOLY describe his team was definitely intimidating because DomieV has some serious potential power on his team. I regained my confidence once the archer one shotted the Priest.
Earth Clothes for Strengthening Kikuichimonji. I strongly considered Black Costume on my Archer, but I surmised that "magical" damage is more likely to hurt me via Lightning, especially with Reks running around. His team can potentially beat any team in Arena that's not running hard counters. I definitely thought about it Black Costume on my Archer. I changed some compats and equips around though. I was fine with 50 Faith on the bard too because he has MA save. Sure increasing the reaction by 5% isn't much but I did think about it. The 50 faith on the Ninja is quite inexcusable though.
Well that went as expected. But I am saddened that none of our new players made it out of the first round.
What a great match. And for Truelght to win on Zeklaus Desert? Quite masterful. Well my predictions for this tournament are screwed. Still, Reks can potentially tear through the loser's bracket. Also matchups! Reks was screwed. Good thing this tourny is double elims.
Well this a great match. Huge damage flying everywhere. That's the most non-sleep non-oil damage I've ever seen. Once again seniority wins. Sigh. I wanna see an upset damnit. Actually Angelus over Dokurider is an upset to me, but I don't think that really counts.
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Post by: Zareb on July 11, 2013, 11:27:49 pm
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: iamBQB on July 12, 2013, 03:29:35 am
This matchup wasn't very favorable for me as Ahong's physical units quickly became capable of delivering OHKO's to my 400 hp Lancers, and as Ct5Holy pointed out, one of the main weaknesses of my team is the lack of strong resurrection. Oddly enough Ahong's team ended up having this same weakness which caught me completely by surprise, those missed Raise 2's are almost definitely responsible for my victory. Moving 2nd and getting the jump on the paladin and archer was also helpful. I believe in all three rounds my lancers managed to take them out rather quickly which helped me get some early momentum, though in the first 2 rounds Ahong was able to bounce back and make a match out of it.
Really ended up being a fairly entertaining slugfest. GG Ahong, and good luck.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Ahong on July 12, 2013, 07:41:34 am
Ah, i got stressed out when i saw Raise 2's missed so much in round 2. Oh well, i need more experience, Good Luck BQB, hope we meet again later.
Maybe i can modify my team again with a strong team work. Hmm...
Good Luck for everyone...
*Ah, this is the 1st time my team lost.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on July 12, 2013, 10:26:58 am
What a match! It seems my Ninja is still suicidal as always. Charging forward to only get shot down. I was planning on giving him a Flash Hat, but I was wary of the -ton skills. Too bad nobody decided to use those skills this tournament >_> Archer still brings the pain and Priest got in those clutch Don't Acts. After watching iamBQB vs Ahong, I'm questioning why my Lancer doesn't jump. Oh well, those nice spear pokes are still helpful. I hope my RNG "luck" doesn't run out now, because I'm going to need everything I can get for the next round. GG Reks. Good luck in the losers bracket!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 12, 2013, 08:27:15 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament S2 Round 1 Vigilanti vs Zareb (http://youtu.be/1z6bCDHs_XE)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 12, 2013, 09:34:59 pm
Hey, man, nice team you got... Bow Gun Squire and your Don't Move spammer scared me the most! Don't Move spam is always a hindrance, pun intended, as it causes my Monks to spend turns removing it; then again, it has to be done for my team to work at all... unless some Death Sentence got off earlier. I can't ever afford to lose my armour as my Paladins depend on it so much for healing. Also, Iron Will needs to be used early on, but didn't matter TOO much against your team since they didn't have any spell offence.
Round 1's outcome didn't surprise me as my team is potent in small quarters due to Kiyomori spam. Battle Axe procs didn't happen at all, but they weren't very relevant against your team anyway. Small maps always benefit me unless the unit is using Draw-Out, but even then I think some Transfusions would be able to counter that fairly well.
Round 2 was INSANE... had so much fun watching it! I always build my teams' units to be completely reliant upon one another, so as soon as that first Paladin went down I knew that I was going to lose. Due to the map lacking major obstacles, your gunners ran around and simply put me down; breaks and Steal Accessory definitely didn't help in that regard, either! Dragon Spirit is always a good counter to Death Sentence. GG.
Round 3 could have went either way, really. I believe I got lucky due to Berserked units functioning like double-edged blades and not caring that a teammate is standing in their line-of-sight as they blast said teammate away for *515* damage. Lol. Some lucky Death Sentences and five minutes later it was over. Again, it being a large map, my units could have easily separated from one another early on and I would have probably lost.
It was a lot of fun to watch this, and you were a worthy opponent, Vigilanti. GG to you and good luck in the Netherworld! (Perhaps we'll fight again down there... heh heh heh)
As always your commentating was clean and kept-up with the match. Video quality was good and the sound quality was tolerable. Thanks for recording my match with Vigilanti and keep-up the good work, man!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 13, 2013, 01:02:58 am
In season 1 we had the brackets color coded for each uploader. Is there a way we can do that this season?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Xifanie on July 13, 2013, 07:04:52 am
CT5Holy, could you please use the same format as Barren for your video titles? And please also put the team name and colours in the description?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 13, 2013, 12:06:49 pm
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 13, 2013, 02:16:57 pm
Quote from: Xifanie on July 13, 2013, 07:04:52 am CT5Holy All uploaders, could you please use the same format as Barren for your video titles? And please also put the team name and colours in the description?
Fixed.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Xifanie on July 13, 2013, 04:43:52 pm
My bad, I didn't know someone else was doing videos other than CT5 and Barren
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 14, 2013, 02:14:12 am
Sorry, was busy for a couple of days. Will start losers bracket in 2 days.
The matches will be:
Garland vs JamesOnyx woodenbandman vs TheJonin Torgo vs EmmaNigma Malroth vs Dokurider
All 4 matches will be livestreamed here: http://www.twitch.tv/ffmaster
The date/time will be Tuesday 10 AM +10 GMT. Make sure you convert the time to your own timezone. Afterwards, for those who miss the matches, they will be uploaded to the youtube channel as usual.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 14, 2013, 02:49:01 am
Garland vs JamesOnyx woodenbandman vs TheJonin Torgo vs EmmaNigma Malroth vs Dokurider
All 4 matches will be livestreamed here: http://www.twitch.tv/ffmaster
The date/time will be Tuesday 10 AM +10 GMT. Make sure you convert the time to your own timezone. Afterwards, for those who miss the matches, they will be uploaded to the youtube channel as usual.
And we're going to see firsthand that the loser's brackets are always more exciting than the winner's brackets. I think all of the loser's prelims are going to be close and the Doku v Malroth is going to be insane. Malroth wins and the RNG will make it so. Mostly to spite me and my prediction that Doku would take the whole thing.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 14, 2013, 03:17:10 am
I will watch those matches when I get back from connecticon. I hope everyone is enjoying the tournament so far. I will continue the matches when I get back
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 14, 2013, 07:14:36 am
Yes Me vs Doku is going to be quite bizzare
EDIT:
Quote
The date/time will be Tuesday 10 AM +10 GMT. Make sure you convert the time to your own timezone. Afterwards, for those who miss the matches, they will be uploaded to the youtube channel as usual.
I calculate this to be 1600 my time and check the livestream only to COMPLETELY forget the "Tuesday" part
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 15, 2013, 06:11:45 pm
There is approximately 2 more hours until stream for those who are lazy at using Google. Stream will be up at around 9:30 and will play random music to test my net connection and all that.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 15, 2013, 09:49:00 pm
Thank you for all those who came to my stream today. All matches will be cropped and uploaded later today or tomorrow. If anything needs to be changed or improved for the stream, you can post suggestions and I will make it better to the best of my ability.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 15, 2013, 10:00:52 pm
(Thanks for streaming things, FFMaster. Even if I wasn't there for multiple issues.)
I guess this means it's getting close to my turn if Dokurider's next. This means I'm going to need to bug one of you soon.
Just a heads up.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 15, 2013, 10:45:16 pm
So I did some calculations in my head and I'm like "I work a half-day Tuesday so I can catch the tail end of the stream", and then I realized that Australia is a bizzaro land that exists in a different time than America. Then I realized that Tuesday to FFM is "Monday" to me. :?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 15, 2013, 11:48:11 pm
I did give a warning to convert to your own timezone =p
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: JamesOnyx on July 16, 2013, 12:51:40 am
(I realized right away that this would end up airing Monday night for me, which is fine since I have work tomorrow :D)
Good games Garland. I think what it came down to was the boost in damage I was dealing because of your max fury/faith units. Some of my abilities, while they were lackluster before hand, were actually doing some decent damage. My units were actually being pretty smart too, I was pleasantly surprised. Your Priest was definitely pressuring my units round 2 though. 405 is some pretty crazy damage.
Also, that crit I got on your priest definitely contributed to how fast the first round ended. That was REALLY lucky, I felt kind of bad.
By the way, nobody runs Maelstrom??? I thought that it would have been one of the least countered elements so that's why I chose it alongside Earth. It also helps that nothing nulls or absorbs both water and earth (Thief Hat is an issue though). It also matched the plant theme I was going for (although I just randomly named all of them).
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: iamBQB on July 16, 2013, 01:00:05 am
For those of you who missed the stream and don't wanna wait, you can always catch the recording on twitch here http://www.twitch.tv/ffmaster/b/431058519. The matches start at around 31:45.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 16, 2013, 01:56:42 am
It's used very little because there isn't much that absorbs it. By running an Absorb: Water strategy, you are locked into certain equipment and skills. Using it as a secondary absorb is a good idea though.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 16, 2013, 02:08:27 am
Match 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnS0Kyq7vDk) Match 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoJIYQDIng) Match 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuuNVS-UKY) Match 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5iXOxqtKTU)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on July 16, 2013, 03:03:44 am
Two fairly well built AOE spam teams, James Onyx won this mostly because his units went second letting his units move out of his opponents AOE and then catching them in his own. Holy sniping was as scary as it always is and makes me wish i could have run magic ring on my team and still have the team work right.
+2PA adds the same amount of damage to a bow user as +1PA +1 speed or +2 speed but speed gear tends to have the least HP of any item of its type so PA stacking on a high base speed unit is the best way of boosting bow damage without unnecessary comprimising HP (actually the highest bow damage would be a ice bow user with attack up +2PA hat and clothes and 108 gems but that has quite a few weaknesses compared to most Ultimius/mythril bow setups) Still there is no advantage to using a female bow archer compared to a male one if you aren't using a magic/steal/dance secondary.
Still that dancer is Scary and should be 1shotting anything in 3 or 4 turns if she stays alive that long, Flee on a unit with no self healing is somewhat questionable but the rest of Woodenbandman's team worked well.
............. yeah some concepts don't work as well as others
Close, very very close In the first two rounds my berserk weakness reared its ugly head with my most offensive unit being reduced to a laughable joke before even getting a move and the disposable goons on Dokuriders team repeatedly dying over and over but buying the Dancer time to slow dance. One round i managed to eventually crack the defence, the second i did not, Third round Rambo finally showed why i built the team the way i did. AKA constant use of max damage Cover fire to blast through tanky units. Also the Aegis shield got chosen because silence protection and +1 MA still i'm glad there's no immortal berserking teams for a while in the runnings
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 16, 2013, 06:22:14 am
(Thanks for the videos both streamed and on Youtube already, FFMaster.)
Hmmm...I still haven't commented on all of the Winners brackets matches...partly because I haven't finished watching them yet still. I guess I'll just comment on these out of order then.
I'll make sure to try to finish the Winners bracket before I have to post up videos.
Speaking of which, PM incoming to all other hosts soon enough.
For now, I'll just comment on the four matches FFMaster just did:
Despite both of the teams having relatively litte in the way of the M-EV, Garland got the worse end of it for several reasons. His Ninja could never get close, his units kept grouping up by said Ninja and his own heaviest offense, as damaging as it was, was all single-target. Even though JamesOnyx's team only has three shots of Water, those shots all counted. It also helped that Quake is...well, Quake and a bit overpowered at present (as is Tornado), though the Scholar did that less often than she possibly should have. Not that it ultimately mattered.
(Also the reasons of going first like Malroth said.)
Admittedly, things might have gone far differently the first round had the Priest not have been OHKO'd by that lucky critical from Giant Axe.
But it's not like you can do anything against critical hits, so....
It also didn't help that Garland's team, looking at it now, has very little healing outside of the rather fragile Ninja and the Samurai distracted by Masamune. Given both those units ended up standing next to each other too.... Said Ninja could have really used Dragon Spirit or HP Restore or something as his reaction instead of PA Save, even if I see why he had it with Chakra. Still, he certainly could have done without Teleport and have gotten some offensive Punch Art like Repeating Fist, which largely obviates Teleport anyway in this instance.
The Priest is fine, I guess, though Holy Miter might have been better over even the currently overpowered Golden Hairpin due to 108 Gems. Then again, Golden Hairpin is probably fine due to Holy already doing ridiciulous amounts of damage and Holy Miter not giving any MP at all.
The other two units have more minor issues compared the Ninja, both of them related to armor for the most part. The Wizard didn't need Equip Armor at all, especially only for a helm(et) and the helm with worst HP to boot; Wizard HP is still crap even with armor and even if male. (I'm not going to say that Wizard can't be male just because I tend to do [silly] thematic teams more than most and, really, Death is one of the Black Magic spells least affected by that.) Yet Prismatic Rod is a nice touch since Death is technically Dark, even if (lazy-ass) Wizard Rod might have been better, at least if you used the leftover JP (from Equip Armor) for Magic Attack UP and Frog and/or Poison. (Or Regen or Cure spells or....)
As for the Samurai, I'd just argue that she needs Gold Armor instead of Platina Armor if she's going to rely so heavily on magic. I'm "surprised" Amara never tried to Silence Song her. Other than that, she really didn't want to have Masamune the ability between having Masamune the katana, having Chrono Trigger reaction and having no additional Haste-adding support on the team. Hell, she probably doesn't even want Masamune the katana since mages tend to want to go later unless they have really quick spells. Chirijiraden and even "just" Silf instead might have been better since Silf can't be dodged on top of randomly Disabling people. This even though half of JamesOnyx's team absorbs Wind.
Oh well. Still a relatively decent team all things considered.
So I am fighting The Justice Hobos ultimately. That should be...interesting between having no female units on my team yet probably having hideous luck against status and the fuck up with goddamn Bullrush.
Not much to say about this fight since we've already talked about the issues that TheJonin's team had. Here he just got really, *really* unlucky vs. woodenbandman's Dancer, who is woodenbandman's main damage dealer, on top of that. Seriously, an almost double damage critical off the bat? And I thought that Garland had it bad.
...No surprises here outside of yet another first round, OHKO critical. Seriously, three in a row? How weird is your luck, FFMaster?
Aside from that, all I'll say is that I'm glad that EmmaNigma at least got fight another team rather than get her (?) team's ass kicked again by woodenbandman as I thought would happen.
Well, that and these past three matches in a row made me realize just how many people are using Earth Slash despite the fact that it actually doesn't see that much use outside of tournaments oddly, at least given the overall amount of "causal" teams. Hmmm....
(As I said on Youtube, except for me to lodge an "official complaint" about there being no indication in the Master Guide whatsoever that Cover Fire ignores Protect & Defense UP (and presumably Unyielding), FFMaster. That's rather...important, especially since Cover Fire can still do crazy ass damage.)
For instance, Cover Fire is what basically won Malroth the first round once Rambo died and lost Berserk--I still don't understand why the other male Archer refused to Echo Grass him both rounds he got Berserked. Otherwise Malroth would have been screwed given that the Demi 2 Archer kept getting distracted by other nuisances on Dokurider's team and then Malroth would have lost the match as a whole since he was doomed on the Large map.
It really ultimately came down to initial positioning, with the Large map being the only one where the said "nuisances" could draw attention far enough away from the Iron Boots Slow Dancer. Even that took a while just because the Mediator was relatively unlucky and the annoying ass Balancer Paladin didn't use Balance like a quarter of the times she could have.
Man, I am glad that Phoenix Blade is dying for sure going into 1.39 now, especially since I didn't even have to push for it. It just makes the A.I. even dumber than it already is and arguably even dumber than Berserk or Death Sentence makes them, which is...saying something.
Outside of the Balancer unit, Dokurider's teams didn't really have any flaws, he just had the worse luck over all, including going up against the two of the few teams that could get past Fulcrum's stacked defenses. I guess Cursed Ring Paladin could have maybe gotten an Ancient Sword or something, but I imagine that Murasame katana was there for Immune: Berserk more than anything else. Still, I'm surprised she didn't get Southern Cross even as a "babysitter".
With him going out so much earlier than expected, I'm actually not the first host to be eliminated, which is really surprising. Dokurider's team being gone already now seems to mean that basically Wiz has already won, especially since Wiz beat Malroth, but we'll see I guess.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 16, 2013, 01:43:05 pm
Quote from: The Damned on July 16, 2013, 06:22:14 am(As I said on Youtube, except for me to lodge an "official complaint" about there being no indication in the Master Guide whatsoever that Cover Fire ignores Protect & Defense UP (and presumably Unyielding), FFMaster. That's rather...important, especially since Cover Fire can still do crazy ass damage.)
Technically it doesn't. Defense UP and Protect reduce the PA in Dmg_(PA+25) :V
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 16, 2013, 10:45:37 pm
From the FFTACTICS Channel on youtube re: Dokurider v Malroth...
Published on Jul 16, 2013 Losers Preliminary Round Match 3
Malroth (Green) vs EmmaNigma (Yellow)
Dokurider was against Malroth
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 17, 2013, 02:38:11 am
I am suprised Dokuraider is out of the tournament so early, i thought his dancing knight is nearly unkillable. But i think his other units didnt made enough impact so it was over when the dancing knight got countered by Death sentence, breaks and cover fire.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 17, 2013, 02:18:22 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 20 - Avalanche vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxVjU6VJCk&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 21 - Jumza vs Shadowstrike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW452zPQcU&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 17, 2013, 02:30:22 pm
(I was under the impression that we were waiting for the Loser's bracket to be done before started posting the second round of Winner's Brackets.)
Otherwise they'll be out of order, won't they? Even though technically already are since FFMaster had to record Dokurider's loser's match so that Dokurider didn't record his own.
Regardless, if you could record those, then I guess I'll bug you about the memory card thing with Dokurider still apparently busy.
*prepares to make himself even more of nuisance*
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 17, 2013, 02:49:21 pm
Wow 3 very exciting Matches. Otobos Team was even stronger than i expected. It could have gone either way, just a tiny bit of luck turned the table here.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 17, 2013, 02:53:31 pm
Why would it be out of order? The losers in the winner's bracket get slotted further and further down the line in the loser's bracket. Contestants already in the loser's bracket fight their way forward to meet people just entering the loser's bracket.
Also, Damned, you can always use FFTastic to set teams up.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on July 17, 2013, 03:24:05 pm
(FFTastic? I'll look into it then.)
It's only slightly out of order because the match between Eternal & JamesOnyx hasn't happened yet. Otherwise, yeah....
It was less the issue of being out of order and me being under the impression that were just doing all of Loser's brackets first. That's all.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 17, 2013, 03:42:10 pm
what annoys my about my Team is that stupid Refute. Refuting innocence... ok, when i tested that team she never did that, but why the hell would she refute haste and regen, or was there any other reason to refute my ninja?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 17, 2013, 08:48:54 pm
Before I even look at the video's I will say that I don't mind any sort of order as long as it's not to the point where matches start getting held up. Since there's three people doing loser's, and only two people doing winner's, I'm sure it'll keep pace anyway.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 18, 2013, 12:37:05 pm
Fortune sure wasn't smiling on Otabo in rounds 2 and 3. In round 3, his monk misses two Earth Slashes in a row (~10% probability), then dies to a critical hit (~20% probability over the four hits he took). Had he hit and killed with either Earth Slash, the match would have turned into a solid 4v2 in his favour. Tough luck, man.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on July 18, 2013, 12:47:21 pm
Moments like those two missed Earth Slashes make me cry on the inside. GG, Avalanche.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 18, 2013, 01:57:51 pm
the problem with the perception of rng. One is only concerned with the the outstanding events. But if you look at the whole Luck is balanced out quite good most of the time (as more events happen). As in that match my team had bad luck in the beginning and mid game and yours in lategame. Plus the strategy of my Team is to stay in the game until it gets a "lucky" proc (sleep, dont act or petrify) to than take the advantage and win.
It sounded ironic or even sarcastic and wasnt ment to be.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 18, 2013, 04:54:21 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 22 - CT5Holy vs LightningHax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwdrky-Mbeo&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 23 - Wiz vs Angelus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvwNCcoi7I&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angelus on July 18, 2013, 06:24:25 pm
holy crap that was surprising. I didn't expect to beat you like that. You got kind of robbed there and letting my ninja live too. Well GG mate. You'll probably have better luck in the loser's bracket
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2013, 06:25:22 pm
The result of this match doesn't count, and I request a rematch under this reasonable set of ground.
Shieldrender's bugged. It's not designed to "hit twice/ get a doubleshot" occasionally in examples such as at 02:00, 07:14, 13:32, and 22:38. That's cheating. All what it's designed to do is "break one's shield", not what I just mentioned in the prior set of quotations. There's literally no negative impact whatsoever on Angelus' part for the squire. Those occasional doubleshots are free hits that the squire normally wouldn't be able to get until subsequent turns. Granted, one of the examples I just displayed him missing one shot, but the point still remains the same. A Berserked Squire who already has Two Hands deals 302 damage to a 40 Br + Defense UP Neutral Compat Unit (~58% physical damage reduction) because of this bug? Yeah, that's the epitome of bullshit. The biggest and most prominent example of this bug taking affect is at 18:48, where he did 302 as opposed to what he should've done, 151. Basically, the Squire's from time to time getting two attacks off from one attack action when he's not meant to do so. This put me at a severe handicap in that Angelus' DPS was substantially higher that it was intended to be. Now some you might argue the opposite with the squire not making as much of an impact as I perceive it to be, but you gotta at least give me some credit for bringing this match to a tiebreaker despite the clear and obvious disadvantage I had. That fact alone should at least put me in the position to ask for a rematch so that both teams are on a leveled playing field.
Easy Fix
1. Change out the phoenix blade's item attribute so it has none (Item Attribute = 00 in FFTP) 2. Give it the same weapon evasion as shieldrender 3. Substitute this for shieldrender for the squire and give him have no support ability since a 16 WP Phoenix Blade is the same as a 2-Handed Unit with shieldrender.
Seeing as how no one on my team has a shield nor a phoenix blade to begin with, it wouldn't impact the fight at all outside of fixing a bug that wasn't meant to be there in the first place.
Only thing I'm going to say in regards to this match itself is that I'm pretty sure that if Richter stole the Priest's Defense Ring that he missed in R1, she would've inevitably gotten pissed and went into a rage via Insult preventing her from raise spamming incidentally.
GG Angelus. I'm not yet whooping your ass. Once those training wheels come off, you're gonna feel the pain all over again, but it's only gonna hurt more.
If I end up winning in the presumed rematch and go on to fight CT5Holy, I'm going to get knocked out then. The oracle's high hit rate with paralyze (~55%) along with the immortal ninja are going to reck my shit. The other two will do so as well, but they won't be as apparent.
EDIT: Directed more towards Angelus, but applies to everyone as well. Whenever you fight this team, they're going to make you work via bust your ass off to earn your victory. When you do beat them legitimately, I hope you feel fulfilled in doing so.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 18, 2013, 07:23:50 pm
Unfortunately the deal with the shield render is that its designed to be that doubleshot against non-shield user. It's working as its designed to do hence why the weapon has 8 WP. In other words: it essentially has 12 WP when the doubleshot procs against a unit with no shield equipped.Because otherwise a Shield Break proc would result in a unnecessary number of hits.
The documentation on the weapon is clear. It casts the Knight/Paladin ability "Shield Break" at a 50% rate Shield Break results in a normal Attack command on the target if the target has no Shield.
You still won round 2 in spite of that and Round 3 really could have gone either way. Plus it would be unfair to Angelus if I changed his setup on him just to do the rematch. Plus the shield render weapon was never banned in the tournament so anyone else could have used it. Besides, you still have a chance in the Loser's bracket and can still win. I'm sorry but that's how it is.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Angel on July 18, 2013, 07:32:00 pm
Stop whining every time you lose.
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Post by: Xifanie on July 18, 2013, 08:18:24 pm
Oh Christ. Stop being such a fucking sore loser.
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Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2013, 09:12:12 pm
Unfortunately the deal with the shield render is that its designed to be that doubleshot against non-shield user. It's working as its designed to do hence why the weapon has 8 WP. In other words: it essentially has 12 WP when the doubleshot procs against a unit with no shield equipped. Because otherwise a Shield Break proc would result in a unnecessary number of hits.
The documentation on the weapon is clear. It casts the Knight/Paladin ability "Shield Break" at a 50% rate Shield Break results in a normal Attack command on the target if the target has no Shield.
Then why does Armor Break not proc a doubleshot from the Bow Gun? If it has the same functionality as breaking equipment as a proc.. Why doesn't it occasionally give out a doubleshot then in addition to that? Is it because it's designed not to whereas shield break is? If it's the last question, the master guide does a pretty shitty job explaining that premise then. You're right in that it's a "50% Shield Break", which the Master Guide exactly states. It doesn't clarify "50% Shield Break ; 50% Doubleshot if no shield". That's ambiguous and it's never explained that way whatsoever. When the master guide deceives you by saying that it only breaks a shield 50% of the time and nothing else, then in actuality has a hidden proc of double-shotting someone when they don't have a shield, that's a pretty bad mess-up.
What you're basically saying is that I was "supposed to know" that shield break triggered a chance to inflict doubleshots on units that didn't have a shield despite the master guide never stating that.
Asking for a rematch because of a bug (which is what this is according to the master guide's own current definition "Shield Break: 50%") that made a difference in all the rounds altogether is a perfectly reasonable request. This bug is pretty much the equivalent of there being a hypothetical bug where Old Sagat from Super Turbo (Street Fighter II) in the arcades does a fixed amount of damage from any of his tiger uppercuts regardless of distance, and whether the opponents are in the air or not.
If this does go through (I believe it will as explained below), you can easily throw up another bo3 and give angelus a second chance assuming I win the next bout. And the altered version of Phoenix Blade I listed earlier would actually not change a difference in damage output from just one swing. It would still be exactly the same as before.
All what I'm going to say is chances are, you're probably going to get a lot of opposition with people asking for a rematch due to the master guide never explaining that if you don't have a shield, there's a chance they'll get a doubleshot in on you instead. If you want to consider my loss legitimate, that's fine, but chances are, the masses are going to be in disagreement with you. As far as I'm concerned, the loss is because of a bug that wasn't suppose to exist according to the way the master guide's written. Keep in mind, in spite of all of this, if the roles were reversed and I won because of that bug, I would've brought up this anyways, and not just because I lost like Xifanie and Toshiko above are trying to convey dishonestly. I will admit yes that I'm very vocal when I lose a bout against someone especially in a tournament setting, but I never disrespect my opponents and never bitch just for the sake of doing so.
If you're not going to provide any substance to the argument and only undeservedly call me a whiner about the fact that I'm concerned and annoyed that I lost because of a game-breaking bug that shouldn't be there when I provide a solution to fix it, don't post. All what this is is provocation on your ladies' end to get me riled up and do something that "crosses the line" here on the forums and you two should be ashamed of yourselves honestly especially Toshiko."TL;DR - Stop whining every time you lose", this is a deliberate misrepresentation of what Barren said, which is actually "Shield Break inflicts a double shot on the opponent when they don't have a shield, so I'm sorry I can't grant your request for a rematch" and I'm arguing against that. I'm surprised you're not being banned for purposely twisting someone's words and molding them into something that they aren't to take a jab at someone.
If I really were a "whiner"/"sore loser" about it, I would've bitched out Angelus and been like "ANGELUS, YOU SUCK COCK, YOU'RE A FUCKING ASSHOLE AND A RETARD", but I clearly wasn't, so don't try to project something that isn't true.
Idk if it's just something about me that rubs you two the wrong way in regards to previous encounters or whatever it may be, but you could at the very least be respectful towards someone you don't like and not relay your messages in such a way without having any basis behind them.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 18, 2013, 09:21:22 pm
I'm not the one who created the weapons or documents to begin with. As far as why doesn't the armor break proc properly with the bowgun; I'm no hacker but it's probably a implementing error of some kind but you should really be asking that question to the person(s) who pitched the idea and the one that approved it. I talked to Raven about it and he told me that it is doing what its designed to do and that it acts like double breaking in vanilla FFT. If a break hits first then the second one is damage. It functions like a two sword x break only with one sword. It's weird I know but again that's how the weapon was designed. There's no ruling that a certain weapon is banned in this tournament, if there was then it would have been declared otherwise
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Post by: Angel on July 18, 2013, 09:35:48 pm
I idle in chat, and I lurk on the forums. Not to say I have -zero- presence, but every time you lose a match, you make a post explaining why it's not fair, and I get hours worth of chat erupting over how childish you are for never accepting a win gracefully, and for treating every loss as a slight against you by the game's programming, because you're too perfect to lose. It gets old. You don't know how vanilla works, even. Deal with your oversight and prepare for it next time instead of hoping for RNG to be on your side once you neuter your opponent's strategy.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: RavenOfRazgriz on July 18, 2013, 09:37:13 pm
Let's set the record straight. Shieldrender's special text in the Master Guide reads "50% Cast: Shield Break." This means it casts the Archer's Shield Break Active Ability, which will destroy the target's equipped Shield at a rate of (PA+8+55)% with a Physical Evasion Modifier. If you do not have a Shield, casting Shield Break with a unit (even in Vanilla!) will result in that unit's cast of Shield Break defaulting to the Attack Command. This means when the Shieldrender casts Shield Break after breaking the target's Shield or against a target that has no Shield to begin with, it will essentially cast Doubleshot instead. This is why the weapon has 8 WP (8 *1.5 = 12 WP average with Doubleshooting, which is considered the average "competitive" WP for a Sword-class weapon) and is not compatible with Two Swords (else you could get quad- or octo- hits via the Shield Break procs). If you think I'm lying, find the 1.38 development thread and the point Shieldrender was proposed (alongside the change to Bow Gun), where this is made very clear to be the intended interaction. The Bow Gun not having this property is a bug, as the Armor Break replaced the old "Doubleshot" proc used by the Bow Gun in an attempt to make it a more competitive weapon. You should direct your ire on Bow Gun not working correctly to FFMaster and tell him to fix it, I don't know what the fuck he did when implementing it that results in the incorrect behavior.
I guess I apologize that you don't understand how the Vanilla Ability "Shield Break" functions when the target doesn't have a Shield equipped. Everyone else does. Nothing is "hidden", it's up to you to understand how the skills being proc'd actually work, especially completely unaltered Vanilla skills.
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Post by: woodenbandman on July 18, 2013, 10:26:47 pm
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on July 18, 2013, 11:14:13 pm
Note that is says "50% Cast: Shield Break". It's the same as something like "50% Cast: Death". You cast the Shield Break ability, not that the shield is broken. You cast the Death spell, not adding the status.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Wiz on July 19, 2013, 12:05:04 am
My apologies for not understanding Shield Break's properties. The skill's description for the proc was just misleading as hell to me. I knew that if you attacked an enemy without a shield, it'd resort to damage instead. I just was completely caught off-guard that it additionally triggered a second hit and never personally experienced it doing so when playing vanilla myself. I now that's of my own ignorance and lack of understanding the mechanics of vanilla for fuck's sake. Again though, I admit I'm very vocal and quite often get pissed whenever I lose a match in a tournament setting, but it's not like as if I'm doing so without warrant and insult my opponents whenever that's the case. I don't go out of my way with wearing a trollface saying things like "'YOU"RE AND ASSHOLE FOR BEATING ME X' 'HOW DARE YOU'", and "NO, THAT DOESN'T COUNT AND I'M GOING TO GET WHAT I WANT QQ". If I really were a poor sport about losing Toshiko, I would've still kept on arguing to push for a rematch right now, but I'm not and have conceded that it was due to my lack of incompetence in game mechanics.
The only thing I take to terms with is your claim that I make excuses everytime I lose a match. It's inaccurate and a serious case of spreading misinformation. Before you edited your post, I briefly saw the chatlog you listed, and all I have to say it's pretty sad some people are getting severely worked up and are dramatizing this claim on the FFH Chat (I guess a couple people picked it up on ID, but w.e., nobody should care anymore) over the fact that I make comments and am upfront whenever I lose a match in a video game (Not that you're a part of this group of people). Can you see how ridiculous this is? That's not even taking for granted what you just expressed "every time you lose a match, you make a post explaining why it's not fair, and I get hours worth of chat erupting over how childish you are for never accepting a win gracefully, and for treating every loss as a slight against you by the game's programming, because you're too perfect to lose" Pointing out simple facts =/= an excuse, pouting, or whatever jibberish people are throwing out. After the S1 AI Tournament, more than a year ago, I've only made 10 posts (including this one) and a few comments in YT vids on FFT Arena content. And honestly, the only things I said in regards to the matches I lost since then were...
Dokurider's Updated "Stone Frogs" and "Quackening"
"'*Roll of the eyes* You hard-countered my team design. Doesn't say anything significant."
I'm not saying that's not fair or BS. I'm not even remotely insulting him. Hell, these are very deadly and unique teams. Props to you my man.
Barren's S2 Team and Doku's "Dorter's Most Wanted" from youtube
"Barren's team was a hard-counter with 2x Angel Rings + 2 Defense Rings. Nothing I could do with this version to cope with the immunity to Berserk & Darkness" "Cursed Ring makes me cringe. Even though it was a counter, at least I almost won both of those rounds. Luck played a role too."
I'm just pointing out the obvious for the losses like I did with Doku's two teams. I didn't harp on them and go on a crusade about it.
Vs Angelus
"Why is a squire doing 300+ damage from a berserked two-handed weapon by doing occasionally two hits to someone who reduces the physical damage output by 58%? That's not fair and bullshit. It's not designed to do that. I want a rematch The master guide doesn't say anything about getting two hits when using shield break with a one-handed weapon. Oh, that's not the case? I'm surprised."
This is pretty much the only one I got close to before starting to pout like a sore loser because I refrained from carrying this on and conceded that's actually how it's supposed to be with shield break even though I personally disagree with a unit being able to equip two-hands and by using this weapon getting access to ''pseudo two-swords" also.
tl;dr spoiler ^, I firmly believed and argued upfront that the Shield Break mechanic wasn't designed that way it currently is asking for a rematch only to be proven wrong exhibiting a complete misunderstanding of one mechanic, and people lumped this into the category of "I always complain when I lose", when that's wholesomely untruthful.
It's very apparent, but I'm only addressing this notion Toshiko because you brought the subject up and I needed to set the record straight. Well, that's pretty much everything I want to say, and that should clear everything up.
/end discussion.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 19, 2013, 12:10:50 am
Wow that Squire was MVP in more ways than one. In a previous match it was revealed that Bow Gun's proc is working mostly correctly. In this match we got definitive proof that Shieldrender's proc is also working correctly. Shieldrender was on the chopping block for being removed because we initially thought it's ability wasn't working. I know when I looked at it and saw only 8wp I thought it was just a weak weapon. Kudos to those braver than I for trying out new things. Now I kinda wish I had the courage to submit my SYTYCD team to this tournament. But I was a little chicken.
One Hour and a half later edit: The Angelus v Wiz match rates even higher in my eyes. Since the match is nearly 30 minutes long, its perfectly timed. I can watch it on my laptop while walking on my treadmill. The time flew by because I was fixated on the match. Exercising while watching Youtube. Surely this is a first. Is there nothing FFHACKTICS can't do?
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Post by: Stann on July 19, 2013, 03:56:40 am
(I guess a couple people picked it up on ID, but w.e., nobody should care anymore)
We were just poking fun at you for being a sore loser, Wiz. No harm intended. :v
I was rooting for your team the whole time, that was a really epic fight.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 19, 2013, 07:56:27 am
Quote from: Avalanche on July 18, 2013, 01:57:51 pm the problem with the perception of rng. One is only concerned with the the outstanding events. But if you look at the whole Luck is balanced out quite good most of the time (as more events happen).
Two people, A and B, enter n lotteries, with one half awarding $1 at a 50% chance and the other half awarding $1000 at a 50% chance. Person A wins every $1 lottery but loses every $1000 lottery. Meanwhile, person B loses every $1 lottery but wins every $1000 lottery. Although both people win the same number of times, person B still ends up better off than person A.
It's not just the number of wins that counts. The gains are also important.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 19, 2013, 10:32:18 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 24 - Gaignun vs Dol (http://youtu.be/ZqFKe9BpJXA)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 25 - Dragonblade vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/gAjiE7x-E5Q)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 20, 2013, 12:30:38 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 25 - Dragonblade vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/gAjiE7x-E5Q)
Gaignun is getting no mileage out of his Scorpion Tail/Repel Knife setup. Even though Gaignun started out at a disadvantage he was able to take over the match. Slow 2 from the priest plus his units just hit so hard. There wasn't really a key moment for him during match 1. He just took over. Round 2, was not as close. Miscalculation on Dol's Part with the Battle Song. The archer is just too fast for it. The Mythril Bow on the Berserk unit was a good idea though.
I was able to win in large part because the Ancient Sword on the Samurai is a questionable choice. I was worried about the Fire AoE from the wizard precisely because of my limited raise options. But I knew I had a speed advantage. Magic Break was an incredibly poor choice on my part. I really need that to be Quickening. I'm also regretting not giving the Archer "Black Costume". I expected a lot more Lightning/Water and I was also thinking about Rek's team. Sigh. I have no hope of beating Gaignun. Fortunately by winning two matches it allows me to "skip" a match in the Loser's Bracket.
Ok, admittedly, I am a little worried about the pace of Loser's Bracket now.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on July 20, 2013, 02:32:13 am
Dragonblade's samurai was the MVP in R1. I loved watching him stand guard in the doorway so that Gaignun's Ninja couldn't get at Dragonblade's juicy squishies. I think the match was decided on the strength of charm, but even so, that samurai was getting it done.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 20, 2013, 11:22:30 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 26 - Barren vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/u9e-A7zQ3jo)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 20, 2013, 11:38:43 am
No suprise Angelus won this. His Team is very good and Wiz´s Team barely is an improvment of his last season Team. Of course it still is a good Team just no top tier team imo.
Gaignung is my favorite of this season. Very strong indivudal Units and a good Team
Rising of the dead wins. GG
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Post by: TrueLight on July 20, 2013, 01:09:44 pm
At least it was a lot closer than the last time I faced Barren in a tournament. I'm surprised that berserk didn't play a bigger role, but I guess it was for the better. Getting the Thief down early in round 1 really helped out and the don't act on the Mediator was huge. I still shake my head every time a unit jumps on someone who's sleeping. Round 2 was all Barren with some help from the RNG. Round 3 was super close. I really thought I had it if my Lancer or Archer could get one more attack on that Archer. But...then my Lancer got hit with don't act and the archer decided to run away. Then the undead units got back up and finished me off. So close, yet so far. Good game Barren.
Now to await who I will face in the losers bracket.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 20, 2013, 07:15:23 pm
that was a very close fight truelight. My undead minions did their job and fight back when the opponent doesn't expect it. Arm aim and stop procs help tremendously. GG truelight. Very good match
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: DomieV on July 21, 2013, 09:52:52 am
yea my team was outclassed on that one. GG reinoe. Im getting ready for fanatic now. My chances are about the same as before
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 21, 2013, 04:26:22 pm
These matches are done by Dokurider so everyone enjoy
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 4 - Eternal vs JamesOnyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpkeRoYeiNA&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 6 - The Damned vs woodenbandman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hue5wFRe5_s&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 21, 2013, 07:41:38 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 4 - Eternal vs JamesOnyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpkeRoYeiNA&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 6 - The Damned vs woodenbandman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hue5wFRe5_s&feature=youtu.be)
I'm really happy to see one of our new players make it out of the "Prelims". I've already said what I think about James' team, but I don't know if I've talked about Eternal's...
Geomancy can be a rather damaging long term strategy. If it's damage is maximized and it hits multiple units. But it has to hit multiple units repeatedly to truly be effective. So in that sense it's hard to make Geomancy a main attraction. Also Eternal just wasn't getting the procs off.
Next round James will face Dragonblade. Unfortunately I don't think James will make it out of the next round.
As my predictions become increasingly inaccurate, I have to wonder why I just couldn't catch a break. Oh well. TD's status just overwhelmed W.B.M. Status based teams aren't bad, you just have to make sure you're mixing it with Magical/non-magical and T.D. did that. Not sure who T.D. will face next.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 22, 2013, 02:01:30 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 27 - iamBQB vs Zareb (http://youtu.be/j9capuqS6yE)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 22, 2013, 02:31:30 pm
well I would expect nothing less from a pretty well designed defensive team. Things should get interesting now
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Post by: iamBQB on July 22, 2013, 03:33:15 pm
I knew this match up was going to be bad, and I knew it was going to be embarrassingly one sided, and yet it managed to be even worse than I thought it would turn out. That Kiyomori quashed even the faintest of hopes that my team might do something. Oh well, these things happen. GG Zareb.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 22, 2013, 04:20:42 pm
I knew this match up was going to be bad, and I knew it was going to be embarrassingly one sided, and yet it managed to be even worse than I thought it would turn out. That Kiyomori quashed even the faintest of hopes that my team might do something. Oh well, these things happen. GG Zareb.
Well, I'm simply a hard counter to physical-based teams. I lack a solid way to revive and I'm vulnerable to some status and single-target nukes. I've only been getting lucky with whom I've fought so far! Your Lancers are very solid units and pack quite a punch; Abandon does nothing against Jump. GG, iamBQB.
well I would expect nothing less from a pretty well designed defensive team. Things should get interesting now
Your entire team protects against Death Sentence, which is my team's primary way to down units. You can also Berserk my Paladins, which actually may be my saving grace since the only way I can harm you is hoping that Battle Axe procs more often than not and if my Monks somehow manage to keep the poison down on your team.... without dying themselves. I honestly think that I'm going to lose to you, but I suppose that we'll simply see what happens!
Again, thanks for recording my match. Was pleasant as always to watch and listen to.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 23, 2013, 12:01:43 am
Zareb made a "parody" of his current tournament team that's much stronger. If Zareb had just one week to test that team would have been infinitely much stronger.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: woodenbandman on July 23, 2013, 11:56:53 am
GG stupid chemist not blackmailing the archer before resurrecting :(
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Dokurider on July 24, 2013, 11:21:00 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 7 - the frisky dingo vs DarkxFatal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lVX_9p8VM)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 24, 2013, 12:43:46 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 28 - Avalanche vs Shadowstrike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjL8Y3O7D7E&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 29 - CT5Holy vs Angelus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqO4aM7S9hM&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on July 24, 2013, 02:08:31 pm
My Team was going as far as i expected. But looking at CT5 Holy´s Team which will be its next opponend, im sceptical it can go any further.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 24, 2013, 02:15:53 pm
Avalanche: I'll need to get lucky. You can tank my Thief and Ninja, Hidden Knife beats my Thief's evasion, Repel Knife adding Don't Act will hurt. Not to mention your Dancer can Refute away Death Sentence. I should be the one afraid, I think.
Tense match with Shadowstrike you just had! Good fight.
EDIT: ETA for my matches are Saturday.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 25, 2013, 05:05:22 pm
I lied! Enjoy the matches:
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 30 - Gaignun vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/kOnMyWYwfWU)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 31 - Barren vs Zareb (http://youtu.be/RIFpymDrDC4)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Jumza on July 25, 2013, 05:16:28 pm
Hooray for telling lies!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 25, 2013, 06:57:04 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 30 - Gaignun vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/kOnMyWYwfWU)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 31 - Barren vs Zareb (http://youtu.be/RIFpymDrDC4)
Well, that was predictable. I didn't think that I would even win the second round, but cool. Lol. Lich piercing my defenses; Armor Break softening me up so I can't get decent healing from Regen and Nurse; every single unit being immune to Death Sentence; Katar Thief. Well, what WERE my chances, really? LOL. Oh well. I suppose I can just be thankful that I won ONE round. GG, Barren, and I wish you the best!
Thanks again for recording my match; sucks that it took so long for me to lose even though we were aware of the outcome already (RE: my previous post on my previous match), lol. Keep up the good work.
We'll see what happens in the losers' bracket; I know that there isn't another team that's completely immune to Death Sentence like Barren's, so I think my chances will be MUCH better. Lol. Perhaps I'll make it through the loser's bracket and emerge victorious?! LOL, probably not. We'll see!!!!!!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 25, 2013, 08:45:50 pm
Gaignun got so unlucky in Round 3 its not even funny anymore. Good job reinoe!
First round went pretty much as planned for the most part for me. Second round was soooo long and my summoner running out of MP didn't help matters either. Round 3 though went better than expected especially with Lich and death hitting when needed. GG Zareb, that was a good match
Well you got one part of your prediction right as it will be me vs you next. good luck
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Post by: reinoe on July 26, 2013, 04:03:43 am
If Zareb could tank a lot longer then he actually might have been able to pull off a victory. He just needed to outlast the summoner's MP.
Despite what I posted in the Predictions thread, I actually believed I was going to lose to Gaignun. I think I have a better matchup against Barren. If my Thief can hit the Summoner with MP Ruin then I win. Oh, and this...
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 27, 2013, 07:59:22 pm
Clarification:
Quarterfinals=CT5HOLY vs Avalance& Barren vs reinoe
Semifinals= Winner of the above matches against one another Finals= Winner of winner's bracket vs winner of loser's bracket (with the loser's bracket champion being required to win twice against the winner's bracket champion)
I'm just being nit-picky trying to kill time.
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Post by: JamesOnyx on July 28, 2013, 07:12:27 am
I'm really happy to see one of our new players make it out of the "Prelims". I've already said what I think about James' team, but I don't know if I've talked about Eternal's...
Geomancy can be a rather damaging long term strategy. If it's damage is maximized and it hits multiple units. But it has to hit multiple units repeatedly to truly be effective. So in that sense it's hard to make Geomancy a main attraction. Also Eternal just wasn't getting the procs off.
Next round James will face Dragonblade. Unfortunately I don't think James will make it out of the next round.
Yeah, I don't think I have a chance going into the next match. To tell you honestly, for a team I just built in a couple hours without testing, I'm surprised it's made it this far.
I'm going to be heading out on vacation for the next couple weeks, so I'll only be checking in on the site on the rare occasion I get the chance... on my phone so I probably won't be replying to anything unless it's important. The best of luck to everyone!
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Post by: Avalanche on July 28, 2013, 07:34:12 am
Quarterfinals=CT5HOLY vs Avalance& Barren vs reinoe
Semifinals= Winner of the above matches against one another Finals= Winner of winner's bracket vs winner of loser's bracket (with the loser's bracket champion being required to win twice against the winner's bracket champion)
But there have to be two semifinals and four quarterfinals. I guess those terms doesnt make sense when having a system like ours with a loosers bracket. But it would make sense to call CT5Holy vs Avalanche & Barren vs Reinore the semifinals of the winners bracket.
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Post by: Barren on July 28, 2013, 09:44:55 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 8 - Adante49 vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLWO8pqWoaE&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Malroth on July 28, 2013, 10:41:44 pm
a fun match i liked that lightning absorb team although i think Ramauh was a mistake
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Post by: The Damned on July 29, 2013, 01:32:56 am
(There's a reason that Damnation takes an eternity....)
Also, a reason that I have bottom billing.
*points to current avatar text*
Sigh. I think technology may be the only hates me more than I hate me because everything, from my desktop to my laptop to freaking Google-related things, has been so slow. I'm tempted to blame AT&T, but that doesn't explain my laptop and I'm pretty sure it's not viruses or anything. I think I just have to clean things.
Anyway...the last three matches of Losers' 1 are finally up. Even with the above annoyance of the past two days--not counting yesterday since I was mostly gone then--and everything, the delay was mostly due to my incompetence. And then obsessing (quite literally) over every second of everything. I swear it took like...at least 12 hours cause as lazy as I am, I am still a perfectionist after all this time.
Without further ado:
1. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 9 - Ahong (All Kind Range Combat) vs. Vigilanti ("Vigilanti's Bizarre Venture") (http://youtu.be/GzKp5xdPzvM)
2. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 10 - skiploom188 ("U-Turn Me On") vs. Torgo ("Manos: The Lands of Fate") (http://youtu.be/-MIglzBrlPU)
3. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 11 - Fanatic ("Noh Changing Lanes") vs. DomieV ("Have You No Chivalry?") (http://youtu.be/X05O22g5Od0)
Yes, I was serious about giving people's teams "punny names" if they didn't tell what they wanted it called, even if those names aren't in the title (since there's only so much room).
Regardless, the second round of Losers will be much quicker, at least on my part. I'm not sure what FFMaster and Dokurider's schedules look like.
I'm just going to have to spend the next couple of days cleaning my computers, apparently. Fun times....
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on July 29, 2013, 01:39:59 am
Adante put up a great fight here. Especially considering the strong reputation Severe Weather Alert has. Setiemson on his spellcasters was a decent idea. The chemist lacked a bit of synergy with the rest of the team because he moves before the rest of his team. Also the priest was using up magic quickly. Considering Golden Hairpin and Robe of Lords she needed to have Move-MP UP. That's the kind of oversight that requires a person to see the team in action though. Andante probably felt that Carbunkle would suffice. Thanks to Bahamut and/or Raise 2 the preist would be forced to stop and cast carbunkle after 1 or 2 spells. That time to stop and recharge would add up over time. The Bard was the MVP of Andante's team for this match but it easily could have been the Geomancer if his opponent were weilding Black Costume. I like giving my Geomancers Giant Ax+Magic Gauntlet instead of Rune Blade+108 Gems. That's because I like the physical evasion provided, and most of the things Geomancer has are Earth/Wind/Water.
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Post by: Malroth on July 29, 2013, 04:39:38 am
Short and brutal, Berserked units really need Tanky supporters to work right and starting petrified did those archers no favors. Having multiple move 4 AOE units can be a really good way to alpha strike the enemy but only having one means its going to die alone and unmorned.
Skipbloom Counter/attack up/warpath romada gun chemist is spread pretty thin dropping 1/3 of their JP just on class unlocks and not even running a secondary, although Punch art is redundant for a chemist and you don't have the stats for geomancy. Chivalry would be a good choice though since Reraise and Iron will would have been great assets for a ranged physical attacker with access to free MP restoration
Koga/iga Ninja had the JP for a punch art secondary and could have been running Earth slash/Fuuton for better base damage than shiruken on non thief hat targets and could have used fuuton to self heal with a Santa Outfit. 60 faith on a Ninja is also weird unless you're relying on elemental healing from allies or running a magic secondary
Time mage Primary means you have access to haste2 and slow 2 which are much better at turn control than masamune. You're also fragile as hell but have a powerful instant AOE heal, so drop Damage split for Critical Quick. 65 fury is also doing you no favors.
Monk looked okay till i saw no Stigma Magic and 65 starting Fury. Also You're running Warpath the only possible reason to do so is to bump your Fury above the starting cap why start 3 move actions below that point if you don't have to.
Torgo's team seemed a lot tighter if a lot more vulnerable to magic users. Item Bot bard buffing everyone's attack. Earth slash monk when 3 other units absorbed it and Earth dragon/quake scholar hitting everything . I would have found a way to inflict Oil as a mono earth team since there's a possibility of running into rival earth clothes users (nameless dance?)
Match was fairly predictable, Element absorbtion can be a Huge action advantage when you can hurt enemies and heal allies in the same action. The super fast magic attack up time mage did some really nice things with Chirijiaden but she was essentially carrying her team solo.
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Post by: Ahong on July 29, 2013, 09:01:17 am
Ehh?? The Bow Gun eff is on? I tought it's need a "Broken" in the game to know if the armor is broken or not. Vigilanti, your team is hit hard than i imagine (+Broken Armor too) to my paladin. GG Vigilanti
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Post by: Vigilanti on July 29, 2013, 10:19:43 am
damn I thought my berserk gunners could get you but it was not to be. GG Zareb
I have officially made the dumbest time mage ever!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on July 29, 2013, 11:10:36 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 32 - Avalanche vs CT5Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EA8Tk2z9KE&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Avalanche on July 29, 2013, 11:54:23 am
Map 1 was quite clearly, mainly due to CT5´s Speed advantage is drawback on smaller maps because it allowed me to get the first blood (This is one Reason i dont realy like small maps). Missing Raise2 2 times didnt help to come back as well. Map 2 showed that purely offensive units are not as valuable as units with medium offence and defence i think.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on July 29, 2013, 12:39:47 pm
Not surprised - All your units have Protect/Defense UP, and Hidden Knife > Abandon.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zareb on July 29, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
Sigh. I think technology may be the only hates me more than I hate me because everything, from my desktop to my laptop to freaking Google-related things, has been so slow. I'm tempted to blame AT&T, but that doesn't explain my laptop and I'm pretty sure it's not viruses or anything. I think I just have to clean things.
Anyway...the last three matches of Losers' 1 are finally up. Even with the above annoyance of the past two days--not counting yesterday since I was mostly gone then--and everything, the delay was mostly due to my incompetence. And then obsessing (quite literally) over every second of everything. I swear it took like...at least 12 hours cause as lazy as I am, I am still a perfectionist after all this time.
Without further ado:
1. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 9 - Ahong (All Kind Range Combat) vs. Vigilanti ("Vigilanti's Bizarre Venture") (http://youtu.be/GzKp5xdPzvM)
2. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 10 - skiploom188 ("U-Turn Me On") vs. Torgo ("Manos: The Lands of Fate") (http://youtu.be/-MIglzBrlPU)
3. FFT ARENA AI Tournament S2 Losers 1 Match 11 - Fanatic ("Noh Changing Lanes") vs. DomieV ("Have You No Chivalry?") (http://youtu.be/X05O22g5Od0)
Yes, I was serious about giving people's teams "punny names" if they didn't tell what they wanted it called, even if those names aren't in the title (since there's only so much room).
Regardless, the second round of Losers will be much quicker, at least on my part. I'm not sure what FFMaster and Dokurider's schedules look like.
I'm just going to have to spend the next couple of days cleaning my computers, apparently. Fun times....
I've always enjoyed reading your analytical posts, The Damned, and I feel no different about watching these tournament videos you've recorded. You've always been very detailed and thorough with your breakdowns and it's nice to see that you give your tournament videos the same treatment; you point-out everything that's happening during a match and throw-in your two cents along the way. It's great.
The main advantage of doing text commentary over vocal commentary is due to the sheer amount of text you can post on the screen; and, if it proves to be too much to read for some for the duration said text is up on the screen, the viewer can simply pause and catch-up. However, I can understand that there will be those that feel disconnected due to the lack of speech, but I prefer the way you approach videos even if you do things the way you do 'em due to technical limitations.
Keep-up the good work and I look forward to watching more of your videos!
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Post by: skiploom188 on July 29, 2013, 11:00:24 pm
Ow. I always get owned because of moronic setups I make. Congrats to the winner.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on July 30, 2013, 09:38:17 pm
Back! (For a few days, anyway)
Currently in Australia. Brisbane, specifically. Fun place... Like it a lot more than I did the states.
So, first match was a loss but the second was a win? Well, GG to both of you! For the rest of you, be prepared ro Ride the Lightning!
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Post by: CT5Holy on August 01, 2013, 12:34:02 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 33 - reinoe vs Barren (http://youtu.be/kgAV5ARKCe8)
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Post by: reinoe on August 01, 2013, 01:58:41 am
I swear I didn't bribe the RNG. After my match against Gaignun I felt a little guilty about the RNG preferential treatment. Admittedly I think I had a slight advantage against Barren's team but with the RNG piling on just felt kinda unnecessary. Throw in the derpy mediator and that's all she wrote.
Here's the mediator's inner monologue when she went to wack that Bard (who had Regen)@9:22...
"I could use my Mimic Daravon skills and sleep these two hard hitting units and possibly swing the match in my favor while my thief buddy one shots them with two hands Katar. But I've got one hands Maine Gauche and that's just as powerful!"
Seriously, if the mediator had used Mimic Daravon I could see that swinging the match. It's a shame because Barren's team deserves a better showing than that. His team is phenomenal. While I've often wanted to tear my hair out at the A.I. behavior, rarely have I wanted to do it after winning a match. I think I need to take a shower. Seriously what the heck A.I.
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Post by: Barren on August 01, 2013, 05:52:26 am
meh, I knew that going in that I was at a damage disadvantage but hey there's still loser's bracket for me to make up for it. GG reinoe
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on August 01, 2013, 08:07:43 am
God sometimes you have to hate the AI, Mediator going for 40 melee hit instead of some usefull Talkskill :roll: was just one Reason displayed in that Match. Map1 once again showed why i dislike smaller Maps very often its just a Gamble who can land the first offensive attack.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 01, 2013, 05:34:47 pm
so who wants to take care of the winner's bracket final?
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Post by: CT5Holy on August 02, 2013, 02:54:57 pm
I'll do winner's bracket final, and you can do the championship match. Sound good?
If yes, ETA Monday for winner's bracket final.
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Post by: Barren on August 02, 2013, 06:15:54 pm
Yea I can do the championship match
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Post by: Malroth on August 03, 2013, 07:26:17 pm
But First we need the loosers bracket.
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Post by: reinoe on August 03, 2013, 07:30:14 pm
If we stop the tournament immediately after the Avalanche vs reinoe match, then the lowest I can place is second. If we do the loser's bracket then there's a chance I might come in third. So let's end the tournament after Avalanche vs reinoe. I'd hate to risk coming in third place when I've already got guaranteed second place at worst.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on August 04, 2013, 09:19:59 am
It's streaming time again!
This time, it will be on Thursday 8 August 10:00 AM +10 GMT. This will mean Wednesday for you people in the US. Make sure you check for the correct time for your timezone.
Matches are: Dragonblade vs JamesOnyx Dol vs Malroth iamBQB vs The Damned
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 05, 2013, 01:48:56 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 12 - Truelight vs the frisky dingo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8huO0_Q6Z5U&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 13 - Jumza vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8--3AuEqVE&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 14 - Otabo vs Ahong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTViAQWH98&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: CT5Holy on August 05, 2013, 01:53:18 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Match 34 - Avalanche vs reinoe (http://youtu.be/hS3vQPb65_U)
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Post by: Avalanche on August 05, 2013, 04:21:37 pm
That was suprisingly clear. both the Archer and the Bard never realy found into the Match. I think the Bard only landed one relevant draw-out spell, but it was already to late at that point and the Archer only landed a couple of shots mainly on the innocent Thief for 80 dmg.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Jumza on August 05, 2013, 07:08:29 pm
I was nervous about this fight because both of my archers carried rubber shoes, so the archers would be focusing on my support units. one with counter magic, which would just end up healing the people who shot her.
But you can't beat triple paralyze.
Ever.
GG Reks!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 06, 2013, 12:26:11 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 13 - Jumza vs Reks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8--3AuEqVE&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 14 - Otabo vs Ahong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTViAQWH98&feature=youtu.be)
Went to round three but it wasn't a nailbiter unfortunately. And Truelight continues to prove that Stone Guns are way OP.
So Reks is out. Despite countermagic backfiring several times against Jumza. Well the better team won to be able to overcome that handicap. Triple Don't Act in Round three clenched it. So Reks is out. I expected him to go a lot farther (further?)
I couldn't tell who was going to win that first match. A real bare knuckle brawl. Otabo won the second round quite decisively. He just had too much AoE. Hitting four units with slow was clutch.
Because Avalanche shouldn't be in the championship match twice. I wanna be in the championship match
Furthermore **warning rant**.
gg Avalanche
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on August 07, 2013, 07:45:28 pm
Stream will begin in about 5 mins, matches won't start until 15 mins. See you there. For those missing out, youtube videos will be uploaded afterwards as usual.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on August 09, 2013, 09:49:36 am
Matches are currently being uploaded while I sleep for those who missed out. Video quality on the first match is low due to bad recording settings which I should have checked before I started streaming.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on August 11, 2013, 12:12:27 am
Hey all. Great job with the matches so far. But I think we should separate the loser's bracket from the winner's bracket like in previous seasons just to minimize confusion. For example iamBQB vs TheDamned is listed as Loser's Bracket 14 and Otabo vs Ahong is also listed as Loser's Bracket 14. Also while looking through the playlist Matches 27, 31-33 are not showing up during the "autoplay". I think this is just a youtube problem though because the matches are clearly there in the playlist.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on August 11, 2013, 02:48:58 am
I haven't put some of the matches in the playlist yet but once I get the chance this weekend I can put them in order
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 15, 2013, 08:34:17 pm
(Are we waiting for me again? Sigh)
Because I recorded the matches a while. I just haven't been around lately--"obviously"--and was "busy" today, if we're accepting "being forced to waste hours" as "busy".
Regardless, my videos for Losers Round 2 will be up by Friday evening at least. Maybe after midnight. I'll be on the phone for a while and have some other things to do today. That said, I'd rather try to get it finished before I have to now leave early tomorrow and for while if I can rather than catch-up.
*is still hideously behind on actually watching the other videos*
Regardless, my apologies (again).
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: FFMaster on August 19, 2013, 07:56:38 pm
I don't know what happened to Damned's matches, but we should probably move on to the next bracket.
So I will be streaming 2 matches on 10:00 AM Thursday +10 GMT. Matches are: Dragonblade vs Dol iamBQB vs TrueLight
See you guys there.
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Post by: FFMaster on August 21, 2013, 07:52:15 pm
Matches starting in less than 10 mins.
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Post by: Dynablade on August 21, 2013, 07:55:57 pm
wheres the stream?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: The Damned on August 22, 2013, 06:51:07 am
([Insert sentiment of greater self-hatred here.]
[Insert sentiment of greater hatred of technology here.]
[Insert sentiment of greater hatred of humanity here.])
Sorry for the immense unnecessary wait. It was in largest part due to my indolence, but I was frankly tired of dealing with the desktop's bullshit on top of being slightly busier than usual. Not an excuse, though, since I've been done with the actual videos since like the weekend more or less, but I still don't understand what's wrong with this damn desktop since it's not a virus and it's not even "dying" like it was that one time. I guess it's just ancient or something.
Whatever. Chrome can go fuck itself presently until I figure out what's wrong with it.
Anyway, videos are now finally up. Thanks to everyone for being so patient like before. This won't happen again, even if I have to find some way to post from the damn laptop, especially since I actually fixed the problems with that:
FFT ARENA S2 Tournament Losers 2 Match 15 - Wiz vs. Torgo (http://youtu.be/EALw_JGytzA)
FFT ARENA S2 Tournament Losers 2 Match 16 - LightningHax vs. Fanatic (http://youtu.be/KOohYb0v14k)
*continues to radiate hatred more than usual*
P.S. Apologies to Torgo, but your Bard's name got misspelled slightly again and I didn't feel like bugging Dokurider to fix it.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Reks on August 26, 2013, 12:40:35 am
So I'm out, then. Oh well, made a good attempt, and just came up against some great teams.
GG everyone.
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Post by: FFMaster on August 29, 2013, 07:33:37 am
Sorry about the long delay, I've been busy the past week.
The 2 matches from last week are currently being rendered and will be uploaded shortly. I'll post a link in the morning if nobody has yet by then.
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Post by: TrueLight on August 29, 2013, 01:13:04 pm
FFT Arena S2 Tournament Losers 2 Match 17 - Dragonblade vs Dol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0B2d9iw5P0)
FFT Arena S2 Tournament Losers 2 Match 18 - iamBQB vs TrueLight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HsTbtwpA6o)
Well, that was lots of offense put into one match. Got a little lucky with some dodges now and then. The speed advantage form my Ninja and Archer allowed them to sneak in extra turns and Tank just couldn't keep up with the sandbag. GG iamBQB.
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Post by: Barren on September 04, 2013, 04:47:44 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 19 - Jumza vs Otabo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wX1eEsB6wc&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 20 - Wiz vs LightningHax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKjKcT0_QA&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Reks on September 05, 2013, 04:28:18 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 20 - Wiz vs LightningHax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKjKcT0_QA&feature=youtu.be)
What a match! It was back and forth, and that Don't Move!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 05, 2013, 12:16:48 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 21 - Shadowstrike vs Dol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9rVoi_lgs&feature=youtu.be)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 22 - Angelus vs Truelight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrD0-fVd5Dw&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 13, 2013, 08:18:59 am
Not that I like to rush everyone but when will the next set of matches be happening? It's been almost 3 months since the tournament started and it has yet to finish. I know everyone has a lot going on in their lives as do I but we need to finish the tournament as fast as possible.
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Post by: Dokurider on September 13, 2013, 01:47:39 pm
The next set of matches are supposed to be FFM's to film, but seeing that he's really busy nowadays, perhaps I could do his set then?
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Post by: FFMaster on September 13, 2013, 06:38:43 pm
Well, my CPU fan died and I just moved one of my shitty fans as a temporary replacement. I can't encode videos at all right now, fearing an overheat of my system(also, suddenly high ambient temps, stupid Spring).
Sorry about the inconvenience.
Note: I can at least work on Arena since that isn't CPU intensive.
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Post by: Dokurider on September 13, 2013, 06:46:31 pm
Then I shall do your set then. I will record them tonight.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 17, 2013, 02:05:46 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 23 - Gaignun vs Otabo (http://youtu.be/jw4j8Z71bgg)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Otabo on September 17, 2013, 07:31:35 am
Welp, that was a close one, indeed. Cursed Ring & Bizen Boat once again show how broken they are currently. Kind of glad I lost here, at least my team went down swinging unlike the little to no fighting chance it would have had against Wiz's team should it have won. GG, Gaignun.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 17, 2013, 10:58:37 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 24 - Zareb vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/7nMGUQ3HdxY)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 25 - Dol vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/WFJPL-SaVWI)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 25, 2013, 11:05:13 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 26 - Gaignun vs Wiz (http://youtu.be/Fe129EKu3zQ)
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Losers Match 27 - Barren vs TrueLight (http://youtu.be/oQgXHWAHzDM)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: formerdeathcorps on September 26, 2013, 06:02:04 am
I may not like Wiz's style, but I was rooting for him to win simply because I wanted to see some fresh blood shake up the final matches of the Loser's Bracket, rather than a rerun of the Winner's Bracket semi/quarter-final matches. Oh well...
You've earned your wings, TrueLight. Good luck in the next match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 26, 2013, 06:15:50 am
Damn that was another long match but to be kind of expected from a turtling team like this one.
I probably should have considered projectile guard more often than not and maybe some wardrobe changes but oh well, it is what it is. First 2 rounds were brutal and 3rd round I got unlucky as my team would suggest it can be given its strategy. GG TrueLight, you got your revenge on me in the netherworld. Good luck from here on out.
As far as the loser's semi's and finals I will get started on them this weekend. I am completely booked with school and work for the next couple of days so hope you all don't mind the wait
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on September 26, 2013, 11:00:37 am
Good game Barren, you had me on edge many times there. There was never a clear winner thanks to your Cursed Ring users. There were questionable AI actions from both sides and some were more costly than others.
Let's see how far these new wings take me.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on September 28, 2013, 04:33:31 pm
Good game Barren, you had me on edge many times there. There was never a clear winner thanks to your Cursed Ring users. There were questionable AI actions from both sides and some were more costly than others.
Let's see how far these new wings take me.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Barren's team is the one that sent Truelight to the loser's bracket in the first place.
These have been some very exciting loser's bracket matches! I've decided I've changed my mind. Whomever faces me at the end of the loser's bracket, I want you to win against me. I already know I can't beat Avalance's but someone else might be able to beat him.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on September 29, 2013, 08:45:01 pm
The video is going to take a couple of hours to upload for some reason. Not sure if its youtube's network problem or whatever, but since I will be going to bed soon, anyone happens to be around by the video uploads go ahead and post it here. thanks
Edit: never mind, here it is
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Loser's Match 28 - CT5Holy vs Gaignun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ix9wU956s&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on September 30, 2013, 03:31:47 am
Ahh I got really lucky with those status effects and crits and dodged shots and everything really =x Like in R3 my Ninja dodging a OHKO shot from your Thief, which allowed him to damage and set up a kill on your Thief. I think I hit all my Paralyzes, too. I dunno, I thought I was at a disadvantage in this match? But yeah, get lucky enough... =/
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on September 30, 2013, 10:25:21 am
Give your team some more credit. Paralyze did what it was supposed to do in R3: bust my 0 M-EV Priest. With no second Raise 2 user, I could no longer effectively revive party members. There were a few lucky breaks, but it's my team's fault for being unable to handle them.
I was hoping I would get to challenge Avalanche's team again, but that will now have to wait for another tournament.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Luminar on October 03, 2013, 12:42:17 am
torgo vs emmanigma easily my favorite match specially when he said "this is the worst build i've ever seen." ct5holy is amazing and i'm suprised malroth lost.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on October 03, 2013, 06:21:21 am
I lost because he was better at Turn management than I am, either that or just really bad luck
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 05, 2013, 06:00:28 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Loser's Semi Finals - TrueLight vs CT5Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYyde1k3XeU&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on October 05, 2013, 08:16:51 pm
Wow those were three good matches. And now it's time for a boss battle against me! Well actually I'm more like a sub-boss. Good luck once again, I hope you win because there's no way I can beat Avalanche...
Which isn't to say I want Avalanche to lose. It's just not going to be an interesting final match if I challenge him again.
Thanks for organizing the tournament: FFM, Dokurider, CT5HOLY, TheDamned, Gaignun, and Barren. It's been a great Tournament. Only two more matches to go.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 08, 2013, 11:12:22 am
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Loser's Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJN1gVRsjto&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on October 09, 2013, 11:29:04 pm
Quote from: Barren link=topic=9853.mpsg192555#msg192555 date=1381245142 FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Loser's Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJN1gVRsjto&feature=youtu.be)
gg T.L. That was a great game. I'm glad you won because I already knew I didn't have a chance against Avalanche.
I don't mean to sound bitter but I knew I was going to lose round three as soon as my Archer moved away from battle. To showcase his uselessness he then procceeded to derp it up the whole match until he was ignobly killed by another archer. MVP of my team goes to my Bard who was trying valiantly to pick up the slack.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 13, 2013, 01:39:45 pm
I really like CT5Holy's commentary, especially how he talks about the teams before the matches. So far I've only watched the preliminaries, and I really enjoyed Torgo's beastly team.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 14, 2013, 10:41:57 pm
FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 Championship Match (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPeTlsbO2QA&feature=youtu.be)
Congratulations to the winner!
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Torgo on October 15, 2013, 03:02:28 am
Quote from: Zotis on October 13, 2013, 01:39:45 pm I really like CT5Holy's commentary, especially how he talks about the teams before the matches. So far I've only watched the preliminaries, and I really enjoyed Torgo's beastly team.
All told, I feel my team was solid ideas executed poorly. Depending on the changes the next revision bring, I know exactly what changes I'll be making.
Anyway, fantastic finish.
The Lancer's comeback against Avalanche's Ninja in round one of match 69 was amazing.
Haven't been posting much (read: at all) the past couple months, but thanks for running the tournament guys. It was a blast to participate, and even better to watch. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 15, 2013, 06:18:48 am
Gaignun's team is scary.
Just saw your battle against him Torgo. Ouch.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 15, 2013, 07:47:17 am
Thank you everyone for watching this tournament and for watching the championship match. We all worked hard to bring you these matches.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: TrueLight on October 15, 2013, 11:02:58 am
Good game Avalanche. Your team had me on edge with all those Petrify and Don't Act procs, but my team was able to overcome that. Your team couldn't sandbag well enough with just Phoenix Downs and my team was able to pick them off right before they got their turns. The one on one with the Ninja and Lancer was something special.
I'm just finally glad that I got out of the second round of a tournament.
Thank you everyone who helped with the tournament. This was personally my favorite tournament so far :D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 16, 2013, 04:24:27 am
I'm just making my way through the matches from the beginning. This season really is amazing. It's the best tournament I've seen so far. So many good team compositions. Barren's team is beastly. I loved the Dol vs Skiploom188 match. It's too bad Skiploom's team suffered from a few design flaws, but other than that his team was surprisingly good. Dol's team was just a monster though. I'm just really thoroughly enjoying almost every match.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on October 16, 2013, 05:54:14 am
I'm glad to hear that, Zotis. I am impressed by this season's entries, too. There are many more competent teams this time around than in previous seasons.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 16, 2013, 07:19:26 am
One thing I would like to hear from the commentators in the next tournament is a little less stating what is happening and a little more talking about what is happening and just talking about the match in general. I mean, I can see that so and so just hit so and so for 150 damage, but I don't necessarily know who that's good for. I'd also love it if every commentator gave a bit of a rundown of the teams and characters like CT5Holy does. It just adds a lot more dynamic to the match. Instead of just watching a super quick match and seeing who won, I learn a lot more about team composition and feel more attached to the teams I'm interested in.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 16, 2013, 08:04:24 am
My style of commentary tends to be different from others because I usually produce my matches with music + commentary while others just do commentary or just battle analysis in the description box. Its a way for each of us to stand out. But to your point Zotis about running down each of the units and what they do I do understand if you prefer it to be this way and normally I do just bring us right to the action, but I'll make note for next tourney to take a little time to talk about the teams for those who are new or at least not familiar to Arena and the teams.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 16, 2013, 08:42:09 am
It would be awesome if you did Barren. At least I feel like I actually understand what's going on a lot more that way. I do like your commentating, but yeah that's one thing that could make it even better. I'm thinking not so much for people who are new, but for sharing knowledge you're privy to having analyzed the teams, and for the sake of giving a lot more life to each video and each team.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 16, 2013, 09:15:58 am
Thank you for the honest feedback Zotis. It'll help me improve my commentary which I strive to do
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: CT5Holy on October 16, 2013, 01:30:06 pm
Congratulations TrueLight! You've been around since really early on, consistently making teams, consistently improving. Excellent job.
Funny thing to note - Avalanche said he isn't a big fan of small maps, but the two games he won against TrueLight were both on small maps. Small maps helped keep his team together, which let them attack all at once/support as necessary. TrueLight took a very early lead in several games because one of Avalanche's Ninjas ran ahead of his team, was picked off by TrueLight's offensive units, and then it became a 4v3 that was very hard for Avalanche to deal with because TrueLight's units had high HP and Protect. Avalanche needed all of his units alive for not only the extra bits of damage, but more importantly the procs - DA really helped Avalanche maintain momentum.
1v1 was really awesome.
Thank you everyone who participated! As Gaignun said, a lot more solid teams, which meant a lot of good matches. This was extra fun for me as I got to commentate, and I hope people enjoyed that, too.
First post and brackets have been fully updated.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on October 18, 2013, 03:20:06 pm
For 2 days now I haven't been able to get the loosers bracket match between woodenbandman and TheJonin to work. It just keeps erroring, but all of the other videos are working. Is there something wrong with it?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on October 18, 2013, 03:42:22 pm
Ask FFMaster on IRC chat or mibbit when you get the chance. He was the one that did the video
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on October 19, 2013, 05:04:21 pm
zotis, I'm able to view the match just fine. My browser is Google Chrome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoJIYQDIng
During last seasons tournament we learned that DRAW OUT MASAMUNE AoE was way too powerful with all of the final four having units of that type.
During the Single Class Challenge tournament we learned how powerful Cursed Rings, two hands katar, and maximized Magic Guns are.
So were there any lessons to be learned from this A.I. tournament? None that I can think of to be honest. We already knew that Magic Guns had a counter and we already knew about Quickening needing to die. I've watched almost all the FFT Hacktics tournaments, and I think this was one of the most balanced ever.
Actually there is one thing... I think physical units are more powerful than spellcasting ones overall and that Physical teams are better than magical spellcasting teams. I'm saying this because the need to manage MP is an additional burden to teambuilding. Furthermore having 40 Faith is an inherent meta against spellcasting teams. And there's charge times that have to be taken into consideration as well. Most teams that went far had only one spellcaster, and that one spellcaster was a Unit using either raise or raise 2, with the exception of Barren.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Malroth on October 20, 2013, 01:16:35 am
yeah 0CT quickening is definately too powerful especially on immortal units, 8 to 10 CT would be much more managable since units would stop boosting their speed once they get to the point where their turn overlaps the charge time and even short charge wouldn't help that much since it would have to replace Two hands or Attack up as the defacto support on Quickening units.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Avalanche on October 27, 2013, 09:28:52 am
Well eventhough second place for a theam that was more ment to be a gimmick Team rather than a competitve team, i am a little disappointed. I think with a good support Unit instead of the dancer my Team could have been realy good
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on January 07, 2014, 12:36:38 am
I wonder when season 3 will be?
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: reinoe on January 07, 2014, 03:14:31 am
Not until next summer most likely. Plenty of time to practice team building and video recording abilities.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on January 07, 2014, 04:05:36 am
Heh, maybe I could even be one of the recorders/commentators for it by then. : D
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on January 07, 2014, 07:42:05 am
Hopefully, we could use some help besides me and CT5Holy (though I am thinking about letting someone else have the spotlight in hosting it....unless people still want me as one of their host) :P
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on January 07, 2014, 08:26:36 am
What? Are you crazy Barren? You're not allowed to not be one of the hosts! You have to be! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Gaignun on January 08, 2014, 01:13:52 pm
I wouldn't mind seeing a tournament with stipulations, like unlimited JP, no duplicate skills/skill sets/equipment, or anything in between.
I might be able to host if I find a way to get an emulator working on this laptop of mine. Whatever the case, I strongly suggest minimizing the number of hosts to two or three. Any more and the tournament will drag on for months, as the last two seasons did.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Zotis on January 08, 2014, 02:05:01 pm
When I figure this out maybe I'll host some mini-tournaments.
Title: Re: ☢ ☢ ☢ FFT Arena AI Tournament Season 2 ☢ ☢ ☢
Post by: Barren on January 08, 2014, 03:15:10 pm
Maybe season 3 (or 8) can be what season 5 back in the 1.3 days were like Gaignun said. I'll do a post sometime in the spring